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yashi
09-17-2009, 03:57 PM
This is super interesting, and looks like it will be updated weekly.

Sacks Given Up By LTs (Updated Weekly!) - WalterFootball.com Forums (http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12627)

Albert gave up 2 of Baltimore's 3 sacks in the first game alone, tying him for worst in the league. It makes me realize that I think we should still pursue a true franchise left tackle (and right tackle of course), and eventually move Albert inside to his college position where he can be one of the best in the league. Hopefully in the meantime at least, Albert starts playing better.

matthewschiefs
09-17-2009, 04:32 PM
I think its a little early to be saying they need to move him. It was one game. But your right if Albert does not start to improve he does need to move back to his college postion. Hopefuly it does not come to that an albert can have a good season.

Xploder
09-17-2009, 04:37 PM
Goes to figure our front line stinks lol

texaschief
09-17-2009, 05:18 PM
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/3/13/796773/2008-sacks-allowed-left-ta

yeah, maybe we should get a couple pro bowlers like Flozell Adams or Jason Peters... you know, Pro Bowlers who you can build a team around. :sign0098:


... Personally, I'd rather have a LT in his 2nd year who DIDN'T give up more than 10 sacks last season... but hey, maybe I just see potential in a guy who only gave up 4 sacks in his rookie year.

texaschief
09-17-2009, 05:33 PM
Left Tackle

1. Ryan Clady (Broncos) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
2. Michael Roos (Titans) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
3. Tra Thomas (Eagles) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
3. Orlando Pace (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
5. Jake Long (Dolphins) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
6. Jordan Gross (Panthers) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
6. Jammal Brown (Saints) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
6. Jared Gaither (Ravens) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
6. Marcus McNeill (Chargers) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
6. Tony Ugoh (Colts) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
6. Chris Samuels (Redskins) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
6. Todd Weiner (Falcons) 3.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
13. Walter Jones (Seahawks) 3.5 sacks allowed (12 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
14. D’Brickashaw Ferguson (Jets) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
14. Bryant McKinnie (Vikings) 4.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
14. Max Starks (Steelers) 4.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
17. Joe Thomas (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
17. Branden Albert (Cheifs) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
19. Levi Brown (Bengals) 5.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
20. Mike Gandy (Cardinals) 6.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
21. David Diehl (Giants) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
22. Flozell Adams (Cowboys) 7.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
23. Khalif Barnes (Jags) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
23. Matt Light (Pats) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
23. Chad Clifton (Packers) 7.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
23. Kwame Harris (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
27. Joe Staley (49ers) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
28. Donald Penn (Bucs) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
29. Jeff Backus (Lions) 9.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
30. John St. Clair (Bears) 9.75 sacks allowed (16 starts)
31. Duane Brown (Texans) 11.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
31. Jason Peters (Bills) 11.5 sacks allowed (13 starts) *PRO-BOWL*

Left Guard

1. Kris Dielman (Chargers) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
1. Charlie Johnson (Colts) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. David Baas (49ers) 0 sacks allowed (9 starts)
4. Carl Nicks (Saints) 0.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
5. Todd Herremans (Eagles) 0.75 sacks allowed (15 starts)
6. Brian Waters (Chiefs) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
7. Josh Beekman (Bears) 1.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
8. Robert Gallery (Raiders) 1.75 sacks allowed (16 starts)
8. Reggie Wells (Cardinals) 1.75 sacks allowed (16 starts)
10. Eugene Amano (Titans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
10. Chris Chester (Ravens) 2.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
12. Chester Pitts (Texans) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Ben Hamilton (Broncos) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Travelle Wharton (Panthers) 2.5 sacks allowed (14 starts)
12. Jacob Bell (Rams) 2.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
12. Jeff Smiley (Dolphins) 2.5 sacks allowed (12 starts)
17. Rich Seubert (Giants) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
17. Pete Kendall (Redskins) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
17. Justin Blalock (Falcons) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
27. Eric Steinbach (Browns) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
21. Floyd Womack (Seahawks) 3.5 sacks allowed (14 starts)
22. Edwin Mulitalo (Lions) 4.25 sacks allowed (11 starts)
23. Arron Sears (Bucs) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
23. Uche Nwaneri (Jags) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
23. Cory Procter (Cowboys) 4.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
26. Logan Mankins (Pats) 5.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
26. Andrew Whitworth (Bengals) 5.0 sacks allowed (10 starts)
28. Daryn Colledge (Packers) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
29. Steve Hutchinson (Vikings) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
29. Alan Faneca (Jets) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
31. Chris Kemoeatu (Steelers) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
32. Derrick Dockery (Bills) 8.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)

Center

1. Olin Kreutz (Bears) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Todd McClure (Falcons) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Chris Myers (Texans) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Kevin Mawae (Titans) 0 sacks allowed (15 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
1. Ryan Kalil (Panthers) 0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
6. Brad Meester (Jags) 0.25 sacks allowed (10 starts)
7. Lyle Sendlein (Cardinals) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
8. Duke Preston (Bills) 0.75 sacks allowed (11 starts)
9. Casey Wiegmann (Broncos) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
9. Jeff Faine (Bucs) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
9. Jonathan Goodwin (Saints) 1.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
12. Nick Mangold (Jets) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
12. Andre Gurode (Cowboys) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
12. Shaun O’Hara (Giants) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
12. Matt Birk (Vikings) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Jeff Saturday (Colts) 2.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
12. Dominic Raiola (Lions) 2.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
12. Nick Leckey (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed (10 starts)
19. Jason Brown (Ravens) 2.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
19. Jamaal Jackson (Eagles) 2.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
21. Hank Fraley (Browns) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
21. Nick Hardwick (Chargers) 2.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
21. Jake Grove (Raiders) 2.5 sacks allowed (12 starts)
21. Chris Spencer (Seahawks) 2.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
25. Rudy Niswanger (Chiefs) 3.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
25. Scott Wells (Packers) 3.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
27. Eric Heitmann (49ers) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
27. Eric Ghaiciuc (Bengals) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
29. Samson Satele (Dolphins) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
29. Dan Koppen (Pats) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
31. Casey Rabach (Redskins) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
32. Justin Harwig (Steelers) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)

Right Guard

1. Chris Kuper (Broncos) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
2. Jake Scott (Titans) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
2. Max Jean-Gilles (Eagles) 0.5 sacks allowed (10 starts)
4. Chris Snee (Giants) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
4. Harvey Dahl (Falcons) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
4. Jason Spitz (Packers) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
4. Ikechuku Ndukwe (Dolphins) 1.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
4. Brad Butler (Bills) 1.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
4. Davin Joseph (Bucs) 1.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
4. Adrian Jones (Chiefs) 1.0 sacks allowed (10 starts)
11. Rex Hadnot (Browns) 1.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
12. Deuce Lutui (Cardinals) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Brandon Moore (Jets) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Mike Brisiel (Texans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) …ERFA
12. Jahri Evans (Saints) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) …RFA
12. Mike Pollak (Colts) 2.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
12. Stephen Neal (Pats) 2.0 sacks allowed (9 starts)
18. Roberto Garza (Bears) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
19. Randy Thomas (Redskins) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
19. Robbie Williams (Bengals) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
19. Cooper Carlisle (Raiders) 4.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
19. Stephen Peterman (Lions) 4.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
19. Tony Wragge (49ers) 4.0 sacks allowed (10 starts) …RFA
24. Leonard Davis (Cowboys) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
24. Mike Goff (Chargers) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
26. Darnell Stapleton (Steelers) 5.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
27. Ben Grubbs (Ravens) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
27. Richie Incognito (Rams) 6.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
29. Dennis Norman (Jags) 7.25 sacks allowed (14 starts)
30. Anthony Herrera (Vikings) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)

No Seahawk or Panther started more then 8 games at RG

Right Tackle

1. Ryan Diem (Colts) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Jon Stinchcomb (Saints) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Ray Willis (Seahawks) 1.5 sacks allowed (10 starts)
4. David Stewart (Titans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
4. Mark Tauscher (Packers) 2.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
6. Ryan Harris (Broncos) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
6. Tyson Clabo (Falcons) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
8. Langston Walker (Bills) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
8. Nick Kaczur (Pats) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
10. Willie Anderson (Ravens) 3.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
11. Kareem McKenzie (Giants) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
11. Vernon Carey (Dolphins) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
11. Kevin Shaffer (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
14. Jeff Otah (Panthers) 5.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
15. Tony Pashos (Jags) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
15. Marc Colombo (Cowboys) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
17. Willie Colon (Steelers) 5.75 sacks allowed (16 starts) …RFA
18. John Tait (Bears) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
18. Jeremy Trueblood (Bucs) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
18. Ryan Cook (Vikings) 6.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
18. Gosder Cherilus (Lions) 6.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
22. Damien Woody (Jets) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
22. Jeromey Clary (Chargers) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
22. Jon Jansen (Redskins) 6.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
25. Jon Runyan (Eagles) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
25. Damion McIntosh (Chiefs) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
27. Cornell Green (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
27. Alex Barron (Rams) 7.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
29. Eric Winston (Texans) 8.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
30. Stacy Andrews (Bengals) 9.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
31. Adam Snyder (49ers) 9.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
32. Levi Brown (Cardinals) 11.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
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As you look at these stats, the big thing that stood out to me was the Adrian Jones/Mike Goff comparison. Obviously we all know McIntosh and Niswanger weren't very good last year, but I didn't realize Adrian Jones did THAT well last year.

Then, when you look at McIntosh and Runyan, it might give you some insight as to why the Chiefs didn't sign Runyan while he was here.

yashi
09-17-2009, 05:41 PM
As you look at these stats, the big thing that stood out to me was the Adrian Jones/Mike Goff comparison. Obviously we all know McIntosh and Niswanger weren't very good last year, but I didn't realize Adrian Jones did THAT well last year.

Then, when you look at McIntosh and Runyan, it might give you some insight as to why the Chiefs didn't sign Runyan while he was here.

I think the sacks for our team last season are misleading since much of the season we were in a revamped offense built around Thigpen being able to make plays without necessarily having to spend a lot of time making reads. We were also in shotgun almost every play.

I could be wrong, but I think Albert gave up most of those sacks when we were still in a standard offense.

Interesting stats though. It does make me wonder why Adrian Jones was released.

texaschief
09-17-2009, 05:49 PM
I think the sacks for our team last season are misleading since much of the season we were in a revamped offense built around Thigpen being able to make plays without necessarily having to spend a lot of time making reads. We were also in shotgun almost every play.

I could be wrong, but I think Albert gave up most of those sacks when we were still in a standard offense.

Interesting stats though. It does make me wonder why Adrian Jones was released.

The shotgun is being implemented a lot more all around the league, so to say Thigpen was primarily in shotgun, thus sacked less is misleading as well.

yashi
09-17-2009, 06:06 PM
We should be taking a look at Tauscher and Langston Walker.

Three7s
09-17-2009, 06:08 PM
Anyone check out how many sacks Tait gave up? I can't believe he actually gave up 6 sacks.

texaschief
09-17-2009, 06:17 PM
Anyone check out how many sacks Tait gave up? I can't believe he actually gave up 6 sacks.

Probably why he retired. I mean the dude WAS 34 last year. Not exactly a spring chicken

jmlamerson
09-17-2009, 06:42 PM
This is super interesting, and looks like it will be updated weekly.

Sacks Given Up By LTs (Updated Weekly!) - WalterFootball.com Forums (http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12627)

Albert gave up 2 of Baltimore's 3 sacks in the first game alone, tying him for worst in the league. It makes me realize that I think we should still pursue a true franchise left tackle (and right tackle of course), and eventually move Albert inside to his college position where he can be one of the best in the league. Hopefully in the meantime at least, Albert starts playing better.

This week against Richard Seymour will be an awfully good indicator of Albert's ability in the pro set with a pocket QB as opposed to the spread with a scrambler.

yashi
09-17-2009, 07:19 PM
This week against Richard Seymour will be an awfully good indicator of Albert's ability in the pro set with a pocket QB as opposed to the spread with a scrambler.

Perhaps, but the Raiders might line Seymour up all over the place like they did against SD. They'd be smart to pick on Ndukwe at RT. Then again, they're not very smart.

chiefsfreak4life
09-17-2009, 09:45 PM
This is super interesting, and looks like it will be updated weekly.

Sacks Given Up By LTs (Updated Weekly!) - WalterFootball.com Forums (http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12627)

Albert gave up 2 of Baltimore's 3 sacks in the first game alone, tying him for worst in the league. It makes me realize that I think we should still pursue a true franchise left tackle (and right tackle of course), and eventually move Albert inside to his college position where he can be one of the best in the league. Hopefully in the meantime at least, Albert starts playing better.

So using your theory, highlighted above, Jake Long who was a true Left Tackle, should be moved. Since Long gave up 3 sacks last week........

honda522
09-17-2009, 10:22 PM
Who cares, he is still learning and will become great.

Chief Tyler
09-18-2009, 02:30 AM
He dropped what? 50 pounds? He's learning to play more with technique and quickness instead of bulk and pure force. I think the evaluation process is going to be a long one for Albert. I just hope he moves well against some of the more athletic competition he'll see this year.

Albert could very well struggle early on, but a simple sack statistic doesn't tell the whole story. He has his work cut out for him, but I don't think he's one of the linemen we need to worry about, for now at least.

pbatrucker
09-18-2009, 07:20 AM
Good points Tyler, but Alpert has lost about 15 pounds of baby fat. He was listed at 314 last year and playing at 301 this year.
Now for the real reason Alpert struggled. He was playing against one of the top DE's in the league and Suggs also lined up on that side alot. What OT wouldn't struggle'

honda522
09-18-2009, 12:22 PM
He dropped what? 50 pounds? He's learning to play more with technique and quickness instead of bulk and pure force. I think the evaluation process is going to be a long one for Albert. I just hope he moves well against some of the more athletic competition he'll see this year.

Albert could very well struggle early on, but a simple sack statistic doesn't tell the whole story. He has his work cut out for him, but I don't think he's one of the linemen we need to worry about, for now at least.
:bananen_smilies046:

McLovin
09-18-2009, 12:34 PM
Good points Tyler, but Alpert has lost about 15 pounds of baby fat. He was listed at 314 last year and playing at 301 this year.
Now for the real reason Alpert struggled. He was playing against one of the top DE's in the league and Suggs also lined up on that side alot. What OT wouldn't struggle'
Now Suggs is on the Ravens injury report with a concussion. Think it wasn't physical inside. I am telling you this team beat up the Ravens and no one new is on our injury report this week. Haley has this team conditioned and ready to play.

Coach
09-19-2009, 12:21 AM
I think the Chiefs could conceivably use 3 of their first 4 picks in next years draft on the OL. We are short on talented starters and have no depth.

matthewschiefs
09-19-2009, 01:30 AM
I think the Chiefs could conceivably use 3 of their first 4 picks in next years draft on the OL. We are short on talented starters and have no depth.

They could do that might be better to get some free agents if there are any Great o liners out there with next year being an uncapped year as of now they can realy go to work in the free agent market.

pbatrucker
09-19-2009, 05:33 AM
They could do that might be better to get some free agents if there are any Great o liners out there with next year being an uncapped year as of now they can realy go to work in the free agent market.

If next year is uncapped and teams go hog wild and spend beyond the existing cap what happens in 2011 when they need to get back under the cap?
IMO it would go against Pioli's principles to spend huge dollars in the free agent market.

hardcorechiefsfan
09-19-2009, 07:14 PM
Goes to figure our front line stinks lol
Still??

Bike
09-19-2009, 11:50 PM
Maybe we should move Edwards to the other side at center.