LARRY JOHNSON EXPRESS - 1400yds 15TD's!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[greg3564]

Sooooo? At what point does LJ pick up the pace? So far this season he's racked up 63 carries for 174 yards(2.7 yards per carry). 4 receptions for 47 yards(11.7 per reception). 221 yards combined over 3 games.

Jamaal Charles has 16 carries for 80 yards(5 yards per carry). 10 receptions for 97 yards(9.7 per reception). 173 yards combined.

Neither have TD's, but Charles seems to be more of the future of KC than LJ is. LJ's 2.7 per carry average against Charles's 5 is evidence enough that LJ should be a 3rd down, goal line back. The O line is terrible and that kind of line needs a shifty, cut back RB like Charles. Not an up the middle back like LJ. I think we all know now that LJ's huge success had more to do with the good O line we had at the time and NOT LJ himself.

[brish]

I can't really get my self to judge LJ when our line plays like it did today..
Charles did look good though, if he can keep holding on to the ball, then he will see more action.

[slc chief]

i watched lendale white bust tackles and score a td when needed. lj can only cry about his o-line for so long. he is pu##y footing around the line bottom line trade him he is washed up and has no more drive put his diapers back on because he is doing nothing but crying and making excuses

[josh1971]

Actually, just asking because I don't know- has LJ been the one complaining about the O-line? I thought that was just us. :D

[matthewschiefs]

I dont think he has publicy yet. at least directly.

[honda522]

I think its hard to judge with the way the OL plays, but I see him do good one day and do awful the next.

[fairladyZ]

lol... Whats funny is if you watch when LJ is not touched behind the line of scrimmage he gets about 5 yrds per carry.
It's the other 95% of runs where he is hit in the backfield and all his momentum stops.

You people seriously need to quit crying about LJ it's getting old. The whole damn team sucks.

Cassel sucks cuz of the line
LJ sucks cuz of the line
Bowe sucks cuz of our line not getting time to get it to him.
It's the damn LINE it has been and always will be.
Just cuz a shifty speed runner comes in and has some good carries on 4 times as less amount of carries compared to LJ doesn't mean he is the future. Just like someone said earlier Charles is good at what he is, and that's a change of pace back. Not an every down back.

[tornadospotter]

LJ who.

[Bike]

LARRY JOHNSON EXPRESS - 1400yds 15TD's!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah - in 3 seasons.

[chief31]

Actually, just asking because I don't know- has LJ been the one complaining about the O-line? I thought that was just us. :D

I know that I have a three year soiled diaper over our O-line and have been actively pouting for change.:D

But I don't think LJ is any different than he was in '05, when he tore NFL defenses to shreds.

The difference is the O-line and the offensive scheme/coaching.

Vermiel knows how to assemble a staff, scheme, gameplan and players to create a strong offense. Both running, and passing.

Herm didn't. And if the Arizona Cardinals are where we are to look for experience from Haley, then he doesn't either.

And the actual O-line players....

Willie Roaf Vs (Young and out of position) Branden Albert
Willie Roaf Vs Damien Macintosh

Will Shields Vs (New to the offense) Mike Goff
Will Shields Vs Adrian Jones

This is like going from Joe Motana and Jerry Rice to Elvis Grbac and Snoop Minnis. Except that it has a more directly negative impact on the performance of others.

If Rice/Montana are eating up all the stats, then Roger Craig may get outshined.

With Roaf/Shields collecting no stats, more for Trent Green, Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson to collect.

Now Willie Roafs and Will Shields' don't just grow on trees. So I am not saying that we have to be that good. But we do need to find good players instead of the practice equipment that we have been trotting out onto the field as starters.

[doobs_05]

From what i saw in the game (before the network switched it to NYJ vs TENN.) there was always a guy from the eagles in our backfield. Our line sucks....its pathetic to watch....the chiefs are the laughing stock at the bar i watch the games at. LJ can be a great running back...he has shown it....i can only name 1 running back who played great with a ****ty line and thats barry sanders and larry johnson and no buddy (maybe Adrian Peterson) will be THAT GOOD

[chief31]

From what i saw in the game (before the network switched it to NYJ vs TENN.) there was always a guy from the eagles in our backfield. Our line sucks....its pathetic to watch....the chiefs are the laughing stock at the bar i watch the games at. LJ can be a great running back...he has shown it....i can only name 1 running back who played great with a ****ty line and thats barry sanders and larry johnson and no buddy (maybe Adrian Peterson) will be THAT GOOD

Adrian Peterson is alright. But VASTLY overrated, IMO.

He has the best run-blocking O-line in the league. And therefore, he gets the best rushing stats in the league.

But that one run that they keep showing on NFL Network is pretty damn amazing. I can't take that away. :D

[Bike]

But I don't think LJ is any different than he was in '05, when he tore NFL defenses to shreds.

Well, he is 4 years older. Quite a bit if measured in runningback years.
And he has lost speed, drive, quickness, and attitude. These traits are clearly visible imo no matter the ol. Its obvious to me he is not the same back.

[Bike]

Adrian Peterson is alright. But VASTLY overrated, IMO.

Got to disagree again. Speed, power, youth, instinct, strength. The best back in the game today.

[chief31]

Well, he is 4 years older. Quite a bit if measured in runningback years.
And he has lost speed, drive, quickness, and attitude. These traits are clearly visible imo no matter the ol. Its obvious to me he is not the same back.

How can ya tell if he's lost a step? I never see him get a chance to get the wheels spinning.

I mean, I'm sure that age and the injury have slowed him some. But I can't possibly imagine that it would be noticable, if he were getting the five yard headstart, from the LOS, that he was geting in '05.

[Bike]

How can ya tell if he's lost a step? I never see him get a chance to get the wheels spinning.

I mean, I'm sure that age and the injury have slowed him some. But I can't possibly imagine that it would be noticable, if he were getting the five yard headstart, from the LOS, that he was geting in '05.
Its just my opinion on what I see. I'm not saying I'm a talant evaluater or anything...

[doobs_05]

Got to disagree again. Speed, power, youth, instinct, strength. The best back in the game today.


and i agree with you.....just watch the man run..its sick...

[chief31]

Its just my opinion on what I see. I'm not saying I'm a talant evaluater or anything...

I'm not trying to shoot anyone down.


and i agree with you.....just watch the man run..its sick...

I just don't understand how anyone can compare the two LJs.

We say that he isn't "Hitting the holes" the same.

What holes?

There were holes in '05. And he was certainly hitting them very well.

But I haven't seen a rushing lane since '06.

We say "He's not as quick".

Well, it is a really bad idea to slam into your O-linemans' backs "quick".

We say "He isn't giving the same effort".

Sure he is. I see him giving a half-assed effort, at least. That's all he did in '05. Anytime a run was called to the outside, he would just drop his arms to his side, similar to a child pouting about having to do a chore, and just "stomp" his way out of bounds.

Hell he gives alot more effort these day, it seems.

We say "He just doesn't run as fast anymore".

I never get to see him run. I get to see him stutter-step, looking for a hole. But never gets to run.

In '05, he got to play with Roaf, Shields and T-Rich plowing paths for him, in a Vermeil proven system. And he got mad stats, in just over half a season.

In '06, he lost Roaf and T-Rich, as well as alot of the constructs of the Vermeil offense. He got some good numbers. But had to play all season, and get more chances to pad those stats than any other RB has gotten in a season to do it.

Since then... basically nothing. Not disgustingly bad in '08, but most of that came from a 3rd down back kind of situation, with that spread offense.

And he has no Roaf, no Shields, no T-Rich, No Weigmann and not so much as a shadow of the Vermiel offense that helped Marshall Faulk and Priest Holmes become Fantasy Football gods.

___________________________________________

Now, as most of those on the "LJ Bandwagon" can tell you, I am far from a Larry Johnson supporter.

I didn't want him from the beginning. Since the moment Dick Vermiel said that that wasn't his pick, to the diapers comment, to the holdout for big money, to the racial remarks on ESPN, to all of the pouting, to the jealous 'rap' about Priest holmes, to the multiple problems he has had with women, to the dwindling numbers over the past three seasons.

But If Roaf, Shields, T-Rich, and that Vermiel system were here now, I would bet heavily on he Chiefs to beat the Giants, beat he Plowboys, beat everyone, and for LJ to put up massive numbers.

It isn't that LJ has lost a step. It's that he has lost of the people who made him shine so brightly.

[doobs_05]

I'm not trying to shoot anyone down.



I just don't understand how anyone can compare the two LJs.

We say that he isn't "Hitting the holes" the same.

What holes?

There were holes in '05. And he was certainly hitting them very well.

But I haven't seen a rushing lane since '06.

We say "He's not as quick".

Well, it is a really bad idea to slam into your O-linemans' backs "quick".

We say "He isn't giving the same effort".

Sure he is. I see him giving a half-assed effort, at least. That's all he did in '05. Anytime a run was called to the outside, he would just drop his arms to his side, similar to a child pouting about having to do a chore, and just "stomp" his way out of bounds.

Hell he gives alot more effort these day, it seems.

We say "He just doesn't run as fast anymore".

I never get to see him run. I get to see him stutter-step, looking for a hole. But never gets to run.

In '05, he got to play with Roaf, Shields and T-Rich plowing paths for him, in a Vermeil proven system. And he got mad stats, in just over half a season.

In '06, he lost Roaf and T-Rich, as well as alot of the constructs of the Vermeil offense. He got some good numbers. But had to play all season, and get more chances to pad those stats than any other RB has gotten in a season to do it.

Since then... basically nothing. Not disgustingly bad in '08, but most of that came from a 3rd down back kind of situation, with that spread offense.

And he has no Roaf, no Shields, no T-Rich, No Weigmann and not so much as a shadow of the Vermiel offense that helped Marshall Faulk and Priest Holmes become Fantasy Football gods.

___________________________________________

Now, as most of those on the "LJ Bandwagon" can tell you, I am far from a Larry Johnson supporter.

I didn't want him from the beginning. Since the moment Dick Vermiel said that that wasn't his pick, to the diapers comment, to the holdout for big money, to the racial remarks on ESPN, to all of the pouting, to the jealous 'rap' about Priest holmes, to the multiple problems he has had with women, to the dwindling numbers over the past three seasons.

But If Roaf, Shields, T-Rich, and that Vermiel system were here now, I would bet heavily on he Chiefs to beat the Giants, beat he Plowboys, beat everyone, and for LJ to put up massive numbers.

It isn't that LJ has lost a step. It's that he has lost of the people who made him shine so brightly.

I can understand with the vikings line making Adrian look good but its after he gets past the line and what he does is amazing.

I totally agree with your statement about LJ and if we did have the Vermiel system still and the players to block we could be a dangerous team (if our D stepped it up) but i guess barry sanders is the only player to play great with no line.


but that gets me to thinking about Jim brown, OJ Simpson and the old time backs...did they have a line...cuz i know oj played on some bad bills teams

[chief31]

I can understand with the vikings line making Adrian look good but its after he gets past the line and what he does is amazing.

I totally agree with your statement about LJ and if we did have the Vermiel system still and the players to block we could be a dangerous team (if our D stepped it up) but i guess barry sanders is the only player to play great with no line.


but that gets me to thinking about Jim brown, OJ Simpson and the old time backs...did they have a line...cuz i know oj played on some bad bills teams

OJ did alot with litle. But not on the same level as Barry.

Jim Brown was the offensive line, and the RB.

But I'll sdd to the very short list.... Gale Sayers. Alot of wht he did came on he return team. But he had very similar shifting abilities to Barry.

Oh. One more, that I can think of. And most won't like this, but Bo Jackson was amazing as RB. Pretty good at baseball. But far better at football.

[doobs_05]

OJ did alot with litle. But not on the same level as Barry.

Jim Brown was the offensive line, and the RB.

But I'll sdd to the very short list.... Gale Sayers. Alot of wht he did came on he return team. But he had very similar shifting abilities to Barry.

Oh. One more, that I can think of. And most won't like this, but Bo Jackson was amazing as RB. Pretty good at baseball. But far better at football.

bo jackson would of been a beast if he didn't get injured and focused more on football.

[chief31]

bo jackson would of been a beast if he didn't get injured and focused more on football.

Yeah. He was disgustingly good. I thouroughly despised him for it too.

[doobs_05]

Yeah. He was disgustingly good. I thouroughly despised him for it too.


lol i don't blame you for that....i loved when he ran over that seahawks linebacker who was pretty big but turned out to be a bust lol

[Bike]

OJ always told his ol that if they didn't open up holes for him, he would kill them.

[doobs_05]

OJ always told his ol that if they didn't open up holes for him, he would kill them.

but oj didn't do it tho didn't have a glove that fit.

[Bike]

but oj didn't do it tho didn't have a glove that fit.
Oh, thats right. I hope they catch the REAL killer(s).

[doobs_05]

did oj wear gloves in football games or were they too small too lol

if glove doesn't fit you must acquit

[doobs_05]

or the Chewbacca defense

If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquittal)!

[tornadospotter]

I am just going to jump in here and say, If you have money, you can???????????????????? Buy a burger with your star struck freeloader that lives in the pool house and get away with a glove does not fit!

[kilobytes]

Sooooo? At what point does LJ pick up the pace? So far this season he's racked up 63 carries for 174 yards(2.7 yards per carry). 4 receptions for 47 yards(11.7 per reception). 221 yards combined over 3 games.

Jamaal Charles has 16 carries for 80 yards(5 yards per carry). 10 receptions for 97 yards(9.7 per reception). 173 yards combined.

Neither have TD's, but Charles seems to be more of the future of KC than LJ is. LJ's 2.7 per carry average against Charles's 5 is evidence enough that LJ should be a 3rd down, goal line back. The O line is terrible and that kind of line needs a shifty, cut back RB like Charles. Not an up the middle back like LJ. I think we all know now that LJ's huge success had more to do with the good O line we had at the time and NOT LJ himself.Well he was a lot quicker back then too. Now Priest Holmes success was all O line. Definitely not as impressive as LJ. Looking back on vids of Priest you will see this. I saw an LJ that actually tried back then. Now its just dive get-a-yard BS. If he tried then we would be doing better. I know we have a terrible O line but he could be getting better stats. AND PASS TO HIM MORE!!!!!!! COME ON MIX IT UP HALEY!! LJ is underrated in the passing game..never gets the ball...way to predictable.