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chief31
09-28-2009, 03:03 AM
Year in and year out. We all know it.

Even in the days of the incomparable DT, we have a problem getting pressur on QBs, unless we have a player tha can flat-out beat blockers.

I have seen our defense when they were blitzing from every position on the defense, and they never seem to surprise the blockers, do they?

If it isn't Jared Allen, Derrick Thomas, or Neil Smith just plain beating a block, then we just won't get any pressure.

I see other teams sneak a blitzer undetected. Why not us?

Is it because we just always have players that don't know how to do it?

Always?

Is it because we always have coaches that don't know how and when to get it to work?

Always?

I have another concept. And many of you are gonna think that it is a joke.

In any situation, when one wants to get someone's attention... Be it someone driving, or making someone aware of danger, there is one color that is used as an attention getter.

RED!!!!!

We are warning blocker and ball-carriers alike, that trouble is coming.

No stealthy black, or camoflged greens here. We want you to see us and know where we are at all times.

Now, I'm dead serious about this. No color catches the eye like a nice bright red.

And I have watched countless sneaky blitzes look as if they had been preannounced, with so few slipping by unnoticed.

Now, if we were to select a second-best warning color, wouldn't that color be yellow? Say, like a penalty flag?

We may as well be screaming at the top of out lungs that we are blitzing from 'positions A & B'. Because our uniforms are doing that already.

Some of you will remember a homemade 'alternate' uniform that one, Darthcarlsatan, shared with us, awhile back.

Not that that guy has any common sense whatsoever. I won't bother commenting to that subject. :D

But the colors were darker, and had less of "LOUD" feel to them.

I think that Chiefscrowd.com needs to begin some form of a design of our own for the team, with the stealth factor in mind. And start some form of a petition to the team to get our players out of the league's loudest uniforms, and into something that is "quieter".

So...what do we think? Have I crossed over into insanity? Or is there possibly some morsel of merit to what I am thinking here?

chief31
09-28-2009, 03:06 AM
One more observation...

What teams are generally known as the toughest defenses?

Steelers.... Black, with a milder yellow.

Bears... Pretty dark shade of blue, that, in some cases, actually appears black.

Ravens... A very dark purple.

I think I am onto something. (Not 'on something', but onto something.):D

Connie Jo
09-28-2009, 03:29 AM
As much as I totally HATE the thought of the Chiefs not being a TRUE RED...you are 100% correct.

It was proven decades ago, that the safest vehicle colors on the roads were #1 Orange, #2 RED...obviously because people see them better, they stand out & naturally draw the human eye. Vehicle colors the most unsafe were gray & white, because they blended into the environment more. With road construction...the warning flags/signs, cones...orange or red...for a reason...they are seen. Red lights on emergency vehicles, etc..

In Interior Design we know that red is a color that will draw the eye to a point of interest, more than most others. Red get's attention, no matter the how or where it's used.

Still, I would likely cry for days if the Chiefs were no longer the historic beautiful red they've been since 1963. I'm partial, not only to the Chiefs, but red is my favorite color anyway, so...I think the Chiefs team colors are the most attractive in all of the NFL.

I'm so sick of blue...there are so many teams with blue! The Chiefs RED always stood out as unique to the Chiefs...no other team has RED. 49er's & Redskins are a maroon red.

DT14PRIEST
09-28-2009, 03:32 AM
The Vikings have a pretty loud purple with a good defense...

The Giants have a good defense they generally wear blue but they do have those red uniforms...and white is their away color.

I do think this is a bit crazy though...

We were still wearing red and white when we were founded and won the SB...

DT and crew wore red and white along with the rest of our stout defensive unit from the 90s...

doobs_05
09-28-2009, 03:37 AM
I don't care what color we are, well i hope we keep our red, but we need to get somebody to the QB!!!

Connie Jo
09-28-2009, 03:38 AM
Heck...the Jets, Eagles, even Dolphins with their teal...likely would be the best colors in your theory...considering the field of play is green, and most every shade of green will vanish to some extent on the field.

There are advantages to the red catching the eye...passing game! QB's can have a tough time seeing over & around opponents D-lines...a QB's eye will quickly spot the RED on the field.

Connie Jo
09-28-2009, 03:42 AM
The Vikings have a pretty loud purple with a good defense...

The Giants have a good defense they generally wear blue but they do have those red uniforms...and white is their away color.

I do think this is a bit crazy though...

We were still wearing red and white when we were founded and won the SB...

DT and crew wore red and white along with the rest of our stout defensive unit from the 90s...

I just had that thought myself...our historic defense of the 90's...RED!! YAY!! Proof the RED isn't as much a factor as I was beginning to ponder after reading the theory, hahaha.

chief31
09-28-2009, 03:54 AM
As much as I totally HATE the thought of the Chiefs not being a TRUE RED...you are 100% correct.

It was proven decades ago, that the safest vehicle colors on the roads were #1 Orange, #2 RED...obviously because people see them better, they stand out & naturally draw the human eye. Vehicle colors the most unsafe were gray & white, because they blended into the environment more. With road construction...the warning flags/signs, cones...orange or red...for a reason...they are seen. Red lights on emergency vehicles, etc..

In Interior Design we know that red is a color that will draw the eye to a point of interest, more than most others. Red get's attention, no matter the how or where it's used.

Still, I would likely cry for days if the Chiefs were no longer the historic beautiful red they've been since 1963. I'm partial, not only to the Chiefs, but red is my favorite color anyway, so...I think the Chiefs team colors are the most attractive in all of the NFL.

I'm so sick of blue...there are so many teams with blue! The Chiefs RED always stood out as unique to the Chiefs...no other team has RED. 49er's & Redskins are a maroon red.How many Super Bowl wins for those wo teams? Lol.


The Vikings have a pretty loud purple with a good defense...

The Giants have a good defense they generally wear blue but they do have those red uniforms...and white is their away color.

I do think this is a bit crazy though...

We were still wearing red and white when we were founded and won the SB...

DT and crew wore red and white along with the rest of our stout defensive unit from the 90s...

Ok. I hear ya. But...

The Vikings aren't in a loud purple. It's kind of a deep, or darker, purple.

The Giants' blue isn't a realy bright color either. And they get pressure from beating blocks most of the time, anyway.

And while I am certainly not saying that you can't get a good defense while wearing scrweaming loud red... I am just saying that we are showing our blitzes more than any other team.

So when we won the Super Bowl, it isn't about rather or not we are capable of winning, or playing good defense, but rather we are losing the tool of stealth for blitzing.

And Derrick Thomas and neil Smith got pressure by flat-out beating blocks. Most teams get pressure through blitzing, using the element of surprise. There is no surprise is bright red. It can't hide.

Come to think of it, the stealth factor can be a factor in other aspects of the game...

Let's say you are an opposing QB... You drop back, and eye-ball the FS playing deep....

With your perripheral vision, you can easily see where all the red jerseys are at. But might not see all of the darker colored ones.

Fortunately, you already know where all of your colored jerseys are at, as you just spoke to them about where they were gonna be.

Now, let's say that you are The Chiefs' QB. Again, you drop back, eye the FS playing deep....

You can't see the darker jerseys all that well, because your peripherals are picking up that bright red, over everything.

I honestly think that our uniforms are giving opponents some slight advantages on us.

DT14PRIEST
09-28-2009, 04:05 AM
Jared Allen made the red work for him...

I get the theory and maybe it does mask the deficiency of some of the 'less the star caliber' players abilities to make some plays but as a whole I still think it has to do with personnel...

One very good pass rusher makes the other average pass rusher look good and a defense overall look great.

I.e JA made Tamba look good which in turn made the pass defense as a whole of the Chiefs look better when he was here.

chief31
09-28-2009, 04:38 AM
Jared Allen made the red work for him...

I get the theory and maybe it does mask the deficiency of some of the 'less the star caliber' players abilities to make some plays but as a whole I still think it has to do with personnel...

One very good pass rusher makes the other average pass rusher look good and a defense overall look great.

I.e JA made Tamba look good which in turn made the pass defense as a whole of the Chiefs look better when he was here.

Jared beat blocks. That is not the subject. Tamba was fortunate enough to get the scraps from jared ALlen beating blocks, and chasing QBs his way.

It doesn't matter how much skill you have. If you are wearing bright red, I can see you more clearly. Hell, I can even be looking the other way. Don't wear bright red, if you want to sneak up on me.

At work, me and some guys would occaisionally play "he tail game". This is where you try to hang something from one anothers pants, or tool belt, ot anything that you get it to attatch to, to make the item resemble a tail.

Every last one of us, probably around twenty or so, over the years, knew that you do not wear red, because you wanted to be able to sneak up on folks for the game. And red makes it harder to do so.

You also tried to avoid bright yellows and solid white.

But those are just our other two colors....

Bike
09-28-2009, 04:45 AM
I've also read that more red cars get speeding tickets than any other color....

DT14PRIEST
09-28-2009, 05:49 AM
Jared beat blocks. That is not the subject...

Okay he beat blocks...but he still made sacks and thats a pass rush. I guess by disguising pressures off the edge works in theory but it still about speed/angle/and ability at the end of the day. A pass rush from a blitz is still technically the same thing, beating a block by sending more pressure then they can handle.

It doesn't matter if you're in camo or not half the time a blitz read is picked up by the QB at the LoS. A zone blitz scheme or a delayed blitz from a corner or edge rusher might benefit from a camo uniform but I find it hard to believe that QBs have a harder time reading PR because of the color of their jersey. Every team in the NFLs away jersey is white...so wouldn't that mean less sacks when a team is playing away...

I'd like to see a stat on that actually; sacks at home vs away, I think that would prove your point or add merit too it if you could find that...

chief31
09-29-2009, 10:24 AM
Okay he beat blocks...but he still made sacks and thats a pass rush. I guess by disguising pressures off the edge works in theory but it still about speed/angle/and ability at the end of the day. A pass rush from a blitz is still technically the same thing, beating a block by sending more pressure then they can handle.

It doesn't matter if you're in camo or not half the time a blitz read is picked up by the QB at the LoS. A zone blitz scheme or a delayed blitz from a corner or edge rusher might benefit from a camo uniform but I find it hard to believe that QBs have a harder time reading PR because of the color of their jersey. Every team in the NFLs away jersey is white...so wouldn't that mean less sacks when a team is playing away...

I'd like to see a stat on that actually; sacks at home vs away, I think that would prove your point or add merit too it if you could find that...

And the other "half" of the time?

Look, All NFL coaches want to avoid having that blitz 'read' by the opponent's QB. They want it to com as a surprise.

And, in those situations, we are at a disadvantage, due to the loud uniform color. Along with the QB being able to 'read' a defenses coverage.

As far as the stats go, there are two reasons why I am not going to try to do that...

One. I would have to go through every single game, for a few seasons, myself, to get that. As I don't know where to find a breakdown like that.

Two. It would be easily dismissed, as all teams tend to perform better at home, than away. So there would be little credibility to those numbers anyway.

I would, however, attribute part of home field advantage to the fact that the visitor is always in white.

honda522
09-29-2009, 01:08 PM
I don't think the Jerseys have anything to do with that. Althought, have you noticed we have worn our home Jerseys every game this so far?

I think they need to look at finding a new DL and OL coach.

chief31
10-04-2009, 09:39 AM
I don't think the Jerseys have anything to do with that.

Of course they do.

If I happen to get a blitzer coming free, and he is wearing bright red, then, even if the QB is looking downfield, he is gonna know that it's coming sooner than if he were wearing dark red, or any darker color.

The game is all about deception. Play action, Draw plays, blitz packages, pump fakes....

Not that we are incapable of deception. Just that we are put at a distinct disadvantage in those facets.

I want my team to take every advantage that they can get. And eliminate every advantage that our opponents have.

AkChief49
10-05-2009, 08:15 PM
If it meant a win, I'm all for camo jersey's. Snap a picture of the crowd at game level, print it, throw a number on it and get to the QB! Or go High tech on the jerseys so that they blend in any stadium and change our name to the Kansas City Chameleons!

kilobytes
10-05-2009, 08:44 PM
We have won a super bowl before with these jerseys. Although they don't look as bright but that could be the lack of saturation from the old videos. The Colts and Packers have loud colors to me and they are great franchises.

jb908
10-05-2009, 08:49 PM
giants have the best offensive line in the game. No one really gets to Eli which is why he is so good

hometeam
10-05-2009, 08:52 PM
We have won a super bowl before with these jerseys. Although they don't look as bright but that could be the lack of saturation from the old videos. The Colts and Packers have loud colors to me and they are great franchises.


while im not sure that this theory is entirely sound, KC winning a a super bowl 40 some years ago is not a good counter point, seeing as football then and modern football are so different that there is no comparison~

kilobytes
10-05-2009, 09:00 PM
while im not sure that this theory is entirely sound, KC winning a a super bowl 40 some years ago is not a good counter point, seeing as football then and modern football are so different that there is no comparison~
But still the Bright blue colts uniforms stick out. It actually depends really on the crowd. We don't stick out at home with the Sea of Red. But we do if we wear home jerseys on the road.

Drunker Hillbilly
10-05-2009, 09:34 PM
Really????? It has come to this now huh? If this thread alone doesn't say "PATHETIC", I don't know what will!!!!

Everest
10-06-2009, 01:32 AM
I can see your point, not sure if it's is entirely valid but still interesting. Seattle's awful lime green jerseys are much more obvious though.

kilobytes
10-06-2009, 01:37 AM
I can see your point, not sure if it's is entirely valid but still interesting. Seattle's awful lime green jerseys are much more obvious though.
Yeah the chiefs red is NOT THE LOUDEST color really. The Broncos and Bears orange home jerseys are quite loud and their defense has been spectacular. I like the Seahawks lime green actually. So it may make you more aware if you are a QB but red is a pretty intimidating color and blends at home especially.

chief31
10-06-2009, 06:17 AM
Yeah the chiefs red is NOT THE LOUDEST color really. The Broncos and Bears orange home jerseys are quite loud and their defense has been spectacular. I like the Seahawks lime green actually. So it may make you more aware if you are a QB but red is a pretty intimidating color and blends at home especially.

I'll grant you that those oranges are pretty noticable. The dark blues that they have used are far more advantageous.

But things like the green of the Seahawks, and Packers (as mentioned above) are ugly. And the blue of The Colts is not very loud against a green background. They blend far better with the color of a football field.

But, as far as detecting the colors with peripherals, Line-up all 32 NFL teams' helmets on your lawn, climb up on the roof, and look away. Most of the rest will, all-but, disapear.

But that red one will shine like a beacon. (White will too.)

And again, I am not saying that a team cannot win wearing hunter's orange, penalty flag yellow, or emergency red.

Just saying that those colors put us at some slight disadvantages. And I would rather take the advantage, than to give it.

Sn@keIze
10-06-2009, 07:24 AM
You know times are desperate when you start considering team colors for your poor play.

Fact of the matter is, IMO, we wore the same colors in the 90s when we were a defensive machine that no one wanted to imagine facing.

matthewschiefs
10-06-2009, 12:42 PM
how sad was it to see Jared Allen sacking the QB all night last night I MISS JARED :drunkhb:

yashi
10-06-2009, 12:44 PM
how sad was it to see Jared Allen sacking the QB all night last night I MISS JARED :drunkhb:

amen to that. It was depressing.

AkChief49
10-06-2009, 07:37 PM
how sad was it to see Jared Allen sacking the QB all night last night I MISS JARED :drunkhb:
he now has more sacks than our team

chief31
10-07-2009, 02:32 PM
You know times are desperate when you start considering team colors for your poor play.

Fact of the matter is, IMO, we wore the same colors in the 90s when we were a defensive machine that no one wanted to imagine facing.

Nothing of the sort. You missed the point.

This is something that I have seen with this team for twenty years. Through good time and bad. An inability
to disguise the intent of the defense.

This is far from any attempt to excuse our poor play... ever.

Try this....

Buy a few dozen baseballs, and paint a dozen in each color. Then go hit all of them into the outfield.

Now, how many of them do you see from the plate? Can you see all twelve green ones? Black ones? What about the orange, yellow red and white ones?

It's real simple. Some colors are just far more obvious against that background, than others.

Fire engine red is one of the most evident.

pbatrucker
10-07-2009, 02:35 PM
Ther just has to be something better to argue about.

Canada
10-07-2009, 05:32 PM
Of course they do.

If I happen to get a blitzer coming free, and he is wearing bright red, then, even if the QB is looking downfield, he is gonna know that it's coming sooner than if he were wearing dark red, or any darker color.

The game is all about deception. Play action, Draw plays, blitz packages, pump fakes....

Not that we are incapable of deception. Just that we are put at a distinct disadvantage in those facets.

I want my team to take every advantage that they can get. And eliminate every advantage that our opponents have.

Don;t we wear white half the season? Then we should at least have a good pass rush for half of the season.




Sorry if this is a repost, i didnt read the whole thread. :bananen_smilies046:

Canada
10-07-2009, 05:34 PM
I say just get guys who can beat blocks and kick the sh!t outta people.


Wearing Red of course.

kilobytes
10-07-2009, 05:43 PM
Also Red at home kind of blends in with Red in the stands so your vision will be more accustomed to the bright red and the other team would stick out much more especially since its white. So this theory doesn't hold too much water. All that red in the stands makes you see red and anything that is NOT red sticks out is what I am saying. So teams are actually disadvantaged on the road because of white color unless you are wearing white at home (which I find annoying).