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AussieChiefsFan
09-29-2009, 05:35 AM
IMO Todd Haley isn't all what he's cracked up to be. I'm sure a lot have people have realised that he's not calling the right plays at the right times enough to make the Chiefs win a game! Before the pre-season started I had a lot of hope for the Pioli-Haley franchise but now I'm not so sure!

I mean Todd Haley is choosing to run the ball even when it's obvious he should throw the ball to try and gain a first down. He's choosing to run the ball when the chiefs are 3rd and 25 on their own 10 yard line when they were losing 7 - 24! So I don't think it's just me that realises that Todd Haley isn't as good of a Head Coach that we had hoped for him to be.

I mean maybe we should give him a few more chances or until the end of the year to judge his coaching ability but I would have thought that he would have won atleast 1 game this year! HE HASN'T! 7 games this year (including preseason game) and 7 losses with all the same frustration to it! We even lost to the raiders, 10 - 13, when in the 4th quarter the CB could have made an interception TD return easily if he had only caught the interception instead of dropping it. The outcome of the raiders game would have been 17 - 13 with the chiefs the winners! And the raiders aren't exactly having the best season either, they were actually probably playing worse than the chiefs but the chiefs caused so many more penalties, whioch added upto a total of 7 penalties for 50 yards penlised against the chiefs. And in those 50 yards somehwere quite possibly could have been a touchdown or atleast a field goal!

That win would not only have given us a record of 1-1 but after the loss to Philadelphia, which was a pretty disappointing game, the record would have still given the chiefs a record of 1 - 2 which doesn't actually look that bad, I mean even the lions have a better record than us, 1 - 2!

So you have to ask yourself;

Is Todd Haley really going to last that long if he carries on like this?

pbatrucker
09-29-2009, 07:44 AM
I don't completly agree with the play calling, but it is hard too call pass plays when the OL isn't blocking and the WR's can't get open.
Galley's spread offense is loooking good at this point.

brish
09-29-2009, 08:12 AM
3rd and 25 on their own 10 yard line when they were losing 7 - 24!

In that case it might not be the worst of ideas.. We could have taken a sack in the endzone for a safety, with the amoun of penetration Philly got..

Canada
09-29-2009, 09:06 AM
In that case it might not be the worst of ideas.. We could have taken a sack in the endzone for a safety, with the amoun of penetration Philly got..

Or run the ball, got nothing, punted and lose 34-7. whats the difference. I don't mind conservative play calling if u r trying to give yourself a chance to win, but right now...I am all for just throwing the ball up in the air and seeing what happens. Not like its gonna get any worse.

honda522
09-29-2009, 02:00 PM
Haley has bit off a little more than what he can chew. Hopefully he will be smart enough to give the QB coaching to someone else and then get a new play caller in.

matthewschiefs
09-29-2009, 02:27 PM
An OC I think would help Hailey has just got to find someone that would fit what he wants to do. Dont think that will happen during this season.

Ryfo18
09-29-2009, 04:30 PM
I don't think any coach could turn this team around...

texaschief
09-29-2009, 04:35 PM
Haley has bit off a little more than what he can chew. Hopefully he will be smart enough to give the QB coaching to someone else and then get a new play caller in.

See, this is something else i don't get... NOWHERE in his past has he been the QBs coach... why in the hell is he deciding to not only be the head coach, not only be the head coach AND offensive coordinator, but the head coach, offensive coordinator AND QBs coach!

His 10 years as a scout and WR coach and 1/2 season as offensive coordinator has suddenly made him qualified in his mind to be ALL THREE coaches? I mean, why isn't he the offensive line coach as well. If he's such a great coach, wouldn't he lend his expertise to the weakest area of the team?

texaschief
09-29-2009, 04:38 PM
I don't think any coach could turn this team around...

Perhaps, but knowing the condition this team is in, if you were the GM, wouldn't you want someone coaching your team with a proven track record of building and winning instead of some experimental OC?

There have been 4 extremely questionable moves made by Pioli and the hiring of Haley is at the top of that list followed closely by selecting T. Jackson at #3.

Hayvern
09-29-2009, 05:40 PM
Perhaps, but knowing the condition this team is in, if you were the GM, wouldn't you want someone coaching your team with a proven track record of building and winning instead of some experimental OC?

There have been 4 extremely questionable moves made by Pioli and the hiring of Haley is at the top of that list followed closely by selecting T. Jackson at #3.

I have said this before, Haley's problem is that he has his mind set on how this team is going to play and be damned whether the tools he have available can play that way.

That is why Gailey was let go to begin with. I am sure Gailey was trying to tell Haley that he needed to capitalize on what strengths these guys have, but Haley refused to go down that road. It is his ego that is killing him here.

KottkeKU
09-29-2009, 06:12 PM
you guys are still forgetting that the hardest part of our schedule was the first 6-8 games...we can easily still get 5 or 6 wins this season...

some are calling BAL one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the entire nfl right now...and we went down to the wire with them...

the loss to the raiders was absolutely gutwrenching though...no way we should have lost that game.

Bike
09-29-2009, 06:18 PM
I don't think Haley sees this season as a matter of wins and losses - as sad as that may sound. Down by 3 scores, he decided to run the ball the entire 2nd half at Philly. Teams out to win simply don't do that. He is rebuilding. If we can get 3-4 wins, so be it. But next year...

pbatrucker
09-29-2009, 09:14 PM
when the qb is laying on the ground it is very hard to throw the ball 20 or 30 yards down the field!!!!!

josh1971
09-29-2009, 09:20 PM
you guys are still forgetting that the hardest part of our schedule was the first 6-8 games...we can easily still get 5 or 6 wins this season...

some are calling BAL one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the entire nfl right now...and we went down to the wire with them...

the loss to the raiders was absolutely gutwrenching though...no way we should have lost that game.

I agree- the back half of the schedule is lighter than the front half.

As far as the Raiders game- division game, which means normal football things don't count. KC and Oak always play each other ugly.

jb

matthewschiefs
09-30-2009, 12:46 AM
I don't think Haley sees this season as a matter of wins and losses - as sad as that may sound. Down by 3 scores, he decided to run the ball the entire 2nd half at Philly. Teams out to win simply don't do that. He is rebuilding. If we can get 3-4 wins, so be it. But next year...

Next year is a make or break year for Todd Haley. If the Chiefs done see major improvement from him he will be back as an OC somewere. After we get through the NFC east or at least to the washington game who nos what could happen. GO CHIEFS!!!

Chiefster
09-30-2009, 12:50 AM
Great observations Aussie, but I'll continue to reserve judgment on the Haley-Pioli era for at least a couple of more seasons.

AussieChiefsFan
10-01-2009, 04:39 AM
In that case it might not be the worst of ideas.. We could have taken a sack in the endzone for a safety, with the amoun of penetration Philly got..
^^^^^

Or run the ball, got nothing, punted and lose 34-7. whats the difference. I don't mind conservative play calling if u r trying to give yourself a chance to win, but right now...I am all for just throwing the ball up in the air and seeing what happens. Not like its gonna get any worse.Thank you Canada! Running isnt gping to do much better eh?:bananen_smilies046:


Haley has bit off a little more than what he can chew.Quite so!!


I don't think any coach could turn this team around...:mob:


See, this is something else i don't get... NOWHERE in his past has he been the QBs coach... why in the hell is he deciding to not only be the head coach, not only be the head coach AND offensive coordinator, but the head coach, offensive coordinator AND QBs coach!

His 10 years as a scout and WR coach and 1/2 season as offensive coordinator has suddenly made him qualified in his mind to be ALL THREE coaches? I mean, why isn't he the offensive line coach as well. If he's such a great coach, wouldn't he lend his expertise to the weakest area of the team?
Yeah, TBO I think he should be converted to the OC instead of HC and get someone else to be HC. Im not saying this year cos thats wat too early (3 games) but if he carries on like this, definately!

:bananen_smilies046:

tornadospotter
10-01-2009, 04:46 AM
Great observations Aussie, but I'll continue to reserve judgment on the Haley-Pioli era for at least a couple of more seasons.
:11:I am getting up there in years, gets harder to be patient. But I will give Pioli more time, not sure how much time I give Haley, just think he should have retained a OC, and he is doing to much, and it is his way or else.






After all 22 people of the street may win more games yet. So guess I will wait till the end of the season.

AussieChiefsFan
10-01-2009, 04:48 AM
:11:I am getting up there in years, gets harder to be patient. But I will give Pioli more time, not sure how much time I give Haley, just think he should have retained a OC, and he is doing to much, and it is his way or else.
It does kinda seem like that doesn't it? hmmm........

DT14PRIEST
10-01-2009, 06:03 AM
I think the question can be posed in two different directions:

Is Haley really that good?

or

Are the Chiefs really that bad?

drstandley31
10-01-2009, 10:33 AM
Perhaps, but knowing the condition this team is in, if you were the GM, wouldn't you want someone coaching your team with a proven track record of building and winning instead of some experimental OC?
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You mean like bringing in someone like Herm? That got us far.

Hayvern
10-01-2009, 10:20 PM
You mean like bringing in someone like Herm? That got us far.

Herm did not have a winning record and had no track record in building a winning team. He was a bad pick for head coach three years ago.

Chief Buck Rogers
10-01-2009, 11:10 PM
I'm hoping that Cowher isn't picked up anywhere, and we're able to get him.

Yes, I understand we'd have to demote Haley to OC, or straight up fire him. I think Pioli has the ciolis for it

Polleo Pit Man
10-02-2009, 01:37 AM
i think we have a great coach and gm. i think we lack talent in most aspects of all personel! mainly the OL!

Chiefster
10-02-2009, 01:45 AM
i think we have a great coach and gm. i think we lack talent in most aspects of all personel! mainly the OL!

Absolutely agreed! I'm not ready to right off Haley after three regular season losses in the very first year as a head coach.

Chief Buck Rogers
10-02-2009, 07:46 PM
I'm not ready to write off Haley yet either.

However, at a certain point the fact that he is Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, Quarterbacks coach....

I'm concerned he's in over his head. Gunther was a great Defensive Coordinator. Head coach, we all know how that turned out.

Talent will be seen based off of the overall season result.

pbatrucker
10-02-2009, 10:28 PM
I'm hoping that Cowher isn't picked up anywhere, and we're able to get him.

Yes, I understand we'd have to demote Haley to OC, or straight up fire him. I think Pioli has the ciolis for it

A Navy Chief is supposed to be up to snuff!! If Cowher comes back to coaching it will be in Carolina were he has ties.
MSCS(SS) ret.

northwest
10-02-2009, 10:42 PM
I actually like Todd Haley a lot. Sucks we haven't won a game yet, but I think that's more of the lack of talent. the team has only been training with haley for a few months. give it a few more months, and it will be much more of a conditioned team.

matthewschiefs
10-03-2009, 01:03 AM
I actually like Todd Haley a lot. Sucks we haven't won a game yet, but I think that's more of the lack of talent. the team has only been training with haley for a few months. give it a few more months, and it will be much more of a conditioned team.

I agree I like alot what i have seen from hailey. Give it till then end of the season then answer see what the team is playing like then.

AussieChiefsFan
10-03-2009, 03:11 AM
I think the question can be posed in two different directions:

Is Haley really that good?

or

Are the Chiefs really that bad?
Good point I mean the Panthers, Browns, Titans, Dolphins, Rams and Buccaneers are 0-3 aswell as us, the chiefs!

Chiefster
10-03-2009, 03:13 AM
Good point I mean the Panthers, Browns, Titans, Dolphins, Rams and Buccaneers are 0-3 aswell as us, the chiefs!


So you see the glass is half empty and half full. :D

AussieChiefsFan
10-03-2009, 03:29 AM
So you see the glass is half empty and half full. :D
Ill just say Half 'Full'!:D

Chiefster
10-03-2009, 03:33 AM
Ill just say Half 'Full'!:D


Good enough! :sign0098:

AussieChiefsFan
10-03-2009, 03:35 AM
Good enough! :sign0098:
:lol:

Pro_Angler
10-03-2009, 04:05 PM
I believe Hailey is arrogant and until he looses that he wont be a successsfull HC.

Bike
10-03-2009, 06:04 PM
I believe Hailey is arrogant and until he looses that he wont be a successsfull HC.
Yeah I'm growing tired of the 'my team' crap. And so are the players imo. This is our team.

pbatrucker
10-04-2009, 06:57 AM
Yeah I'm growing tired of the 'my team' crap. And so are the players imo. This is our team.
I can't recall Haley saying "My Team". It's always "The way we want it".
Again, IMO Haley is doing a lot of things the way Scott Pioli wants them.

chief31
10-04-2009, 07:58 AM
i think we have a great coach and gm. i think we lack talent in most aspects of all personel! mainly the OL!

Well, they had thier hands in assembling this team.

Not like they didn't make any off-season changes.

bigpoppachief
10-04-2009, 03:42 PM
The thing is look at the Titans does anyone doubt Jeff Fischer is a good coach ? When your talent around you needs work then it doesnt mater how good of a coach you arte. Has Haley made some bad calls yeah he needs to get a offensive coordinator in there so he can concentrate on yelling at people messing up and not calling the plays. Just give him some time though he is no Herm edwards he will come along but he needs to take some pressure off himself IMO

brish
10-04-2009, 06:29 PM
The thing is look at the Titans does anyone doubt Jeff Fischer is a good coach ? When your talent around you needs work then it doesnt mater how good of a coach you arte. Has Haley made some bad calls yeah he needs to get a offensive coordinator in there so he can concentrate on yelling at people messing up and not calling the plays. Just give him some time though he is no Herm edwards he will come along but he needs to take some pressure off himself IMO

AGREED!

Herm would've done nothing and blamed everyone else. Atleast Haley tries to fix things..