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garciakcfan
10-12-2009, 10:08 AM
So, ive been reading and reading and reading everyone being pissed and disappointed and so am I... But I couldnt help remember when Tom Coughlin took over the Giants a few years ago.. Anyone remember that?? The players were pissed and didnt want to play for him because he was an arrogant hard nosed coach.. If I remember, Michael Strahan publicly called him out and the players tried to get him fired or something... I dunno the whole story but my point is Coughlin humbled himself and adapted the way he coached.... One super bowl win later and probably another one this year are the results of him changing his ways as a head coach... Im crossing my fingers that this happens to haley. Just wanna know what you guys think of that?? GO chiefs!!!

chief31
10-12-2009, 10:13 AM
So, ive been reading and reading and reading everyone being pissed and disappointed and so am I... But I couldnt help remember when Tom Coughlin took over the Giants a few years ago.. Anyone remember that?? The players were pissed and didnt want to play for him because he was an arrogant hard nosed coach.. If I remember, Michael Strahan publicly called him out and the players tried to get him fired or something... I dunno the whole story but my point is Coughlin humbled himself and adapted the way he coached.... One super bowl win later and probably another one this year are the results of him changing his ways as a head coach... Im crossing my fingers that this happens to haley. Just wanna know what you guys think of that?? GO chiefs!!!

I agree 100%.

I think Haley is in the same position that Coughlin found himself in. He may need to swallow his pride and do right by his players.

I think that "guys off the street" remark is gonna haunt him until he does something about it.

Too bad he has already gotten rid of some of the better one's.

Drunker Hillbilly
10-12-2009, 10:26 AM
Personally I don't think he changed all that much. Maybe a bit here and there but I think he's still the hard *** he's always been.

Bike
10-12-2009, 10:48 AM
So, ive been reading and reading and reading everyone being pissed and disappointed and so am I... But I couldnt help remember when Tom Coughlin took over the Giants a few years ago.. Anyone remember that?? The players were pissed and didnt want to play for him because he was an arrogant hard nosed coach.. If I remember, Michael Strahan publicly called him out and the players tried to get him fired or something... I dunno the whole story but my point is Coughlin humbled himself and adapted the way he coached.... One super bowl win later and probably another one this year are the results of him changing his ways as a head coach... Im crossing my fingers that this happens to haley. Just wanna know what you guys think of that?? GO chiefs!!!
Yabut Coughlin had been a HC in college ranks for some 25 years and a nfl hc before coming to ny. And he actually played football in college. So he had the respect of his players going in (jmho)...Whereas Haley has yet to earn that respect from his players. That being said, I hope that Haley does indeed change his philosophy and garner enough respect out of his players to turn this team around. Some talented players would help...

wolfpack
10-12-2009, 10:49 AM
Haily changing/ i hope so but we`ll see.
Coughlin at least had some talant to work with and a owner willing to spend some money.

McLovin
10-12-2009, 11:14 PM
I still hate Coughlin. I am all for being a tough coach but these two have taken it to an extreme. Cowher was hard nosed but was not disrespectful and petty. Coughlin I don't know as much about I have seen the petty part but not sure about the disrespect. But Haley has disrespect down pat. You rarely ever earn respect from someone you don't try to respect yourself.

If you work a job that the boss says what we are doing isn't working can we try something else, and helps to change it, works much better then you fn loser get this right or your fired. I personally am far more responsive to someone who asks me to do something and helps me to do it right or at least better then I am someone who tells me I will do something and then uses the my way or the highway approach, all the while telling me what a worthless POS I am.

honda522
10-12-2009, 11:34 PM
Cassel needs to call out Haley, or someone like Vrabel or Flowers.

Like I have said before, Haley has potential to be a great head coach..he still hasn't had a full year learning how to be a head coach.

josh1971
10-12-2009, 11:51 PM
Too bad he has already gotten rid of some of the better one's.


Which "better ones" has Haley gotten rid of?

Thigpen? Pollard?

Macintosh?

texaschief
10-12-2009, 11:58 PM
Yabut Coughlin had been a HC in college ranks for some 25 years and a nfl hc before coming to ny. And he actually played football in college. So he had the respect of his players going in (jmho)...Whereas Haley has yet to earn that respect from his players. That being said, I hope that Haley does indeed change his philosophy and garner enough respect out of his players to turn this team around. Some talented players would help...

^This^

Coughlin has PROVEN he is capable and that his methods in fact, DO work. Haley has proven jack other than when something goes wrong, its never his fault and lets the player and the public know it all at the same time.

Canada
10-13-2009, 12:02 AM
Which "better ones" has Haley gotten rid of?

Thigpen? Pollard?

Macintosh?

tony Gonzalez...he used to be our TE

Chiefster
10-13-2009, 12:05 AM
I don't know what to think really. Herm was too soft and now Haley is too hard??? I think probably just some culture shock going on here and there probably needs to be some compromise from both Haley and the players. Or, maybe I'm just talkin out of my shorts. :D

josh1971
10-13-2009, 12:05 AM
But Tony had been looking to be traded before Pioli or Haley ever got here, and that was more a Piloi thing than Haley's. The head coach doesn't make the trades.

I think Haley has treated some dam good players like crap, including DJ, Bowe, and Jamal Charles. The whole concept of a "doghouse" is quite stupid to me- are they good players? Yes? Then let them play good.

But to fret over Haley not being enamored with Thigpen, Macintosh, Pollard, etc. is a waste of time. They weren't that good. If they had been, maybe we would have been 3-13 last year.

jb

texaschief
10-13-2009, 12:25 AM
tony Gonzalez...he used to be our TE

Not to mention our best players are getting demoted.

I wouldn't be shocked AT ALL to see one, if not ALL of the following players traded by the deadline:

Derrick Johnson (Apparently Haley thinks Demario Williams "gives us the best chance to win." (actual quote from today's press conference)
Larry Johnson (He'll probably stay cuz no one else will want him)
Dwayne Bowe (Apparently can't do ANYTHING right, given Haley's reaction to Bowe EVERY SINGLE TIME Bowe comes off the field)
Jamaal Charles (The most explosive player on our team can't see the field because he's fumbled a couple times. It really is a shame Haley can't boost some of these guys instead of running them into the ground and benching them)
Tank Tyler (He leads the DL in tkls and tkls for loss, so obviously his demotion is warranted and should be traded IMMEDIATELY)
Glenn Dorsey (2nd in tkls on the DL and ONLY leads BACKUP DE Gilberry by 3 tkls 15-12, with one less sack Too bad for us his salary is too big to move. But hey, maybe that's why Pioli didn't spend any money this year. It's time to make room for REAL producers like Alex Magee and his 2 tkls.)

chief31
10-13-2009, 06:42 AM
But Tony had been looking to be traded before Pioli or Haley ever got here, and that was more a Piloi thing than Haley's. The head coach doesn't make the trades.

I think Haley has treated some dam good players like crap, including DJ, Bowe, and Jamal Charles. The whole concept of a "doghouse" is quite stupid to me- are they good players? Yes? Then let them play good.

But to fret over Haley not being enamored with Thigpen, Macintosh, Pollard, etc. is a waste of time. They weren't that good. If they had been, maybe we would have been 3-13 last year.

jb

Go ahead and exaggerate. That's how to make a point.

I never said that Haley needed to be "enamored" with any of those guys. But every one of them is a better player to have on your roster than someone in their place.


By the way, how was the tackling of Mike Brown this week? How about Jared Page?

Good thing Pollard wasn't around then. He made 8 tackles.

brish
10-13-2009, 09:39 AM
Go ahead and exaggerate. That's how to make a point.

I never said that Haley needed to be "enamored" with any of those guys. But every one of them is a better player to have on your roster than someone in their place.


By the way, how was the tackling of Mike Brown this week? How about Jared Page?

Good thing Pollard wasn't around then. He made 8 tackles.

I don't get you "love affair" with Bernard Pollard. He made all the same mistakes last year.. He was NOT good in coverage.
I did like his passion and mentality though. But I would hardly call losing him a fatal mistake..

yashi
10-13-2009, 10:55 AM
I'll give Haley time before I call for his head on the chopping block, but until we win a few games I'm going to think he sucks. I was satisfied with the playcalling Sunday, aside from giving the ball to LJ so much for 0-2 yards instead of Charles and Battle.

I also think he overthinks things too much. Why so many trick plays early on? I'd rather run a deep pass play than a stupid end around or something.

chief31
10-16-2009, 04:39 PM
I don't get you "love affair" with Bernard Pollard. He made all the same mistakes last year.. He was NOT good in coverage.
I did like his passion and mentality though. But I would hardly call losing him a fatal mistake..

Rather you want to call it a fatal mistake, or even just an obvious mistake, it is still a mistake to cut the young player in favor of a guy who may very well be done after one season, and zilch to back him up.

It's the same with Damien Macintosh. You don't get rid of a player, unless you have someone at least as valuable to take their place. Or even some form of compensation.

Also, is it a "love affair" every time someone thinks that a player has some skill, or just when you disagree?

KCMASS
10-20-2009, 09:05 AM
^This^

Coughlin has PROVEN he is capable and that his methods in fact, DO work. Haley has proven jack other than when something goes wrong, its never his fault and lets the player and the public know it all at the same time.

I think we all need to take it easy on Haley. It's the perfect fit for him. He is young & we are rebuilding. He has made some mistakes, but don't rookies as well? He'll find his way & I think next year we "will" be a much better team! You can see it now. We have put in some soild players, we just need to beef-up the O-Line & do some others tweaks & we could be 8-8 next year.

matthewschiefs
10-20-2009, 11:09 AM
I think we all need to take it easy on Haley. It's the perfect fit for him. He is young & we are rebuilding. He has made some mistakes, but don't rookies as well? He'll find his way & I think next year we "will" be a much better team! You can see it now. We have put in some soild players, we just need to beef-up the O-Line & do some others tweaks & we could be 8-8 next year.

I agree not to mention next year we dont have to play the NFC east. Thats tough for any coach.