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DrunkHillbilly
08-24-2007, 10:11 AM
the Chiefs will have a top 10 defense? If so, they have a looooong way to go! They are TERRIBLE! My kids team tackles better! Sutain is going to get his *** handed to him on more than 1 occasion this year. :mob:

On a positive note, I did think the O line opened up a few holes in the 1st half. If Bennett can run up the gut the way he did, I would assume that LJ will be even better. Protection was ok but still needs a lot of work.

Chiefster
08-24-2007, 10:31 AM
the Chiefs will have a top 10 defense? If so, they have a looooong way to go! They are TERRIBLE! My kids team tackles better! Sutain is going to get his *** handed to him on more than 1 occasion this year. :mob:

On a positive note, I did think the O line opened up a few holes in the 1st half. If Bennett can run up the gut the way he did, I would assume that LJ will be even better. Protection was ok but still needs a lot of work.

Bye the time we get to our bye week we won't have much of a defense left.

swmochiefsfan
08-24-2007, 10:43 AM
Svitek couldn't hold a gate open last night, tackling was terrible, great goal line stands and who is this Terrell kid.He didn't look half bad

RednGold99
08-24-2007, 10:53 AM
Well, it wasn't pretty, but I was impressed by most of the short yardage stops! It was still preseason and all, and the Saints are a great offense. We need some work, but I think we will still be a top 10 D!!! I can tell that Herm is wanting us to play hard nose, grind it out football. So all the offensive minded fans aren't going to be pleased!

swmochiefsfan
08-24-2007, 10:59 AM
I'm a defense guy myself but you have to be able to throw some points on the board, its only preseason. I hope your right

chief31
08-24-2007, 03:10 PM
Well, it wasn't pretty, but I was impressed by most of the short yardage stops! It was still preseason and all, and the Saints are a great offense. We need some work, but I think we will still be a top 10 D!!! I can tell that Herm is wanting us to play hard nose, grind it out football. So all the offensive minded fans aren't going to be pleased!

I consider myself a "football-minded" kinda guy. I appreciate a dominant defense and a dominant offense, but I despise an inability to show either. If the Chiefs can become a defensive stand-out, then that's great. But, How about bringing along both?

sling58
08-24-2007, 03:12 PM
I consider myself a "football-minded" kinda guy. I appreciate a dominant defense and a dominant offense, but I despise an inability to show either. If the Chiefs can become a defensive stand-out, then that's great. But, How about bringing along both?

How about just bringing on something?

chief31
08-24-2007, 03:16 PM
How about just bringing on something?[/quote]

I have little doubt that our defense is much-improved, over recent history. But is it only because of the lack of offense? Had our offense put-up tenty points, would the defense have allowed fourty?

Canada
08-24-2007, 03:17 PM
How about just bringing on something?

I have little doubt that our defense is much-improved, over recent history. But is it only because of the lack of offense? Had our offense put-up tenty points, would the defense have allowed fourty?[/quote]

I'm not sure...how much is tenty?? More than 10 less tha 20??:bananen_smilies046:

chief31
08-24-2007, 03:19 PM
I'm not sure...how much is tenty?? More than 10 less tha 20??:bananen_smilies046:[/quote]
I think it is more THA 20.

Canada
08-24-2007, 03:20 PM
I'm not sure...how much is tenty?? More than 10 less tha 20??:bananen_smilies046:
I think it is more THA 20.[/quote]

:lol: :bananen_smilies046:

chief31
08-24-2007, 03:21 PM
I think it is more THA 20.

:lol: :bananen_smilies046:[/quote]
Somehow, I knew you would like that. :bananen_smilies046:

DrunkHillbilly
08-24-2007, 03:37 PM
How about just bringing on something?

I have little doubt that our defense is much-improved, over recent history. But is it only because of the lack of offense? Had our offense put-up tenty points, would the defense have allowed fourty?[/quote]

Man, you must have been watchin a different preseason than me! I see NO improvement from recent years. So they had a couple goal line stands. Great! Can we move the goal line to the middle of the field?

I really don't know what to say. They just look horrible all the way around! It's fairly depressing! I hope the O line can make holes for LJ the way they did for Bennett last night. If they do that, we may be able to move the ball a little but you know what that means.... load up the box because the ****ty QB is going to be running for his life while throwing to receivers who can't catch!

Canada
08-24-2007, 03:46 PM
Why do you like the Chiefs?? Be a Raiders fan and bad mouth them all day.

chief31
08-24-2007, 03:51 PM
Why do you like the Chiefs?? Be a Raiders fan and bad mouth them all day.

Oh, don't worry Canada... Once Larry 'almighty' returns. nothing can stop him and his incredibly generic 4.2 YPC average. Unfortunately, the rest of the team is so bad that we will still be 2-14.

:lol: Just teasin', hillbilly.

Canada
08-24-2007, 03:52 PM
i don't think we are gonna win all year, maybe not even next year. maybe a game or two in 2010??

Chiefster
08-24-2007, 04:04 PM
i don't think we are gonna win all year, maybe not even next year. maybe a game or two in 2010??

That soon eh.

Canada
08-24-2007, 04:06 PM
You would have to ask all the prognosticators in the group who already know. These guys must be rich knowing the teams outcome every season. The casinos would shudder to see them coming in!!

Chiefster
08-24-2007, 04:08 PM
You would have to ask all the prognosticators in the group who already know. These guys must be rich knowing the teams outcome every season. The casinos would shudder to see them coming in!!

You should do well in the Sportsbook forum. :D

Canada
08-24-2007, 04:09 PM
You should do well in the Sportsbook forum. :D

I have a dollar or two invested!! :toast2:

chief31
08-24-2007, 04:18 PM
You would have to ask all the prognosticators in the group who already know. These guys must be rich knowing the teams outcome every season. The casinos would shudder to see them coming in!!


Nice exaggeration. The fact that some people expect a dissapointing season translates directly into guaranteed losses. How about Canadas unbelievable prognostication skills? Are you not confident that you are right?

Aside from the Drunkhillbilly, noone here has not conceded to the possibility of a winning season, at some point.

Bottom line... everyone is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that we will have a bad year, yours is that it will be a good year. No need to get salty because you disagree with me, or whoever.

Of course, that also is your right.

Canada
08-24-2007, 04:22 PM
Nice exaggeration. The fact that some people expect a dissapointing season translates directly into guaranteed losses. How about Canadas unbelievable prognostication skills? Are you not confident that you are right?

Aside from the Drunkhillbilly, noone here has not conceded to the possibility of a winning season, at some point.

Bottom line... everyone is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that we will have a bad year, yours is that it will be a good year. No need to get salty because you disagree with me, or whoever.

Of course, that also is your right.

Your absolutely right, sucks when people are negative all the time. Guess when I join in I am wrong there too? Maybe a little optimism is too much to offer. I gotta go. See u all later.

DrunkHillbilly
08-24-2007, 04:53 PM
Why do you like the Chiefs?? Be a Raiders fan and bad mouth them all day.

Having a bad day are we???????

I have grown up a Chiefs fan and come to expect good play by the team so when I see what is going on here it pisses me off! Kinda like your doing right now!

We are all entitled to our opinions. So while you continue to be the resident HOMER and look at things through your rose colored glasses, I prefer to be a little more realistic! With the exception of a couple here, I think most are anticipating a below avg season for the Chiefs. I guess we will be less frustrated at the end of the year because we will have given into the fact that we were not going to have a good year while you will be trying to figure out what went wrong! I think we all would like to be eatin crow at seasons end but you know as well as everyone else does that it isn't going to happen! So while your optimism is nice sometimes, reality should set in about game 6 or 7 and we will address this thread then when your *****ing about how bad this and that are while at the same time trying to find something positive to say about the way they are playing and struggling to come up with anything that makes any sense at all.

Chiefster
08-24-2007, 05:03 PM
Having a bad day are we???????

I have grown up a Chiefs fan and come to expect good play by the team so when I see what is going on here it pisses me off! Kinda like your doing right now!

We are all entitled to our opinions. So while you continue to be the resident HOMER and look at things through your rose colored glasses, I prefer to be a little more realistic! With the exception of a couple here, I think most are anticipating a below avg season for the Chiefs. I guess we will be less frustrated at the end of the year because we will have given into the fact that we were not going to have a good year while you will be trying to figure out what went wrong!

I'm as pessimistic about the season as the next guy, but since when did it become a crime to be optimistic even if it is as you say unrealistic in your opinion? Since when did being a "homer" become something bad; you should see me on game day. Why is it that people who choose to see a silver lining wherever they can in life or about their favorite NFL team should become the target of berate and ridicule? ...Just askin?

Chiefster
08-24-2007, 05:05 PM
Nice exaggeration. The fact that some people expect a dissapointing season translates directly into guaranteed losses. How about Canadas unbelievable prognostication skills? Are you not confident that you are right?

Aside from the Drunkhillbilly, noone here has not conceded to the possibility of a winning season, at some point.

Bottom line... everyone is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that we will have a bad year, yours is that it will be a good year. No need to get salty because you disagree with me, or whoever.

Of course, that also is your right.

This too is true.

DrunkHillbilly
08-24-2007, 05:15 PM
I'm as pessimistic about the season as the next guy, but since when did it become a crime to be optimistic even if it is as you say unrealistic in your opinion? Since when did being a "homer" become something bad; you should see me on game day. Why is it that people who choose to see a silver lining wherever they can in life or about their favorite NFL team should become the target of berate and ridicule? ...Just askin?

Never have you seen me bag on anyone about being optimistic until they start baggin on me for being pesamistic. I have no problem with people wanting their team to do well. Hell I do!! But when someone try's to shove it down my throat and berate me for being realistic, it bothers me! I find that in life while you can have high expectations about things, it helps to be realistic so your not disappointed when things don't go exactly like you thought they would.

Chiefster
08-24-2007, 05:24 PM
Never have you seen me bag on anyone about being optimistic until they start baggin on me for being pesamistic. I have no problem with people wanting their team to do well. Hell I do!! But when someone try's to shove it down my throat and berate me for being realistic, it bothers me! I find that in life while you can have high expectations about things, it helps to be realistic so your not disappointed when things don't go exactly like you thought they would.

I am in agreement with you here.

DrunkHillbilly
08-24-2007, 05:26 PM
Oh, don't worry Canada... Once Larry 'almighty' returns. nothing can stop him and his incredibly generic 4.2 YPC average. Unfortunately, the rest of the team is so bad that we will still be 2-14.

:lol: Just teasin', hillbilly.

No worries bud! I love a good ribbin!!

Chiefster
08-24-2007, 05:37 PM
No worries bud! I love a good ribbin!!


With KC Masterpiece no doubt. :)

sling58
08-24-2007, 06:04 PM
With KC Masterpiece no doubt. :)

I want my babyback, babyback, babyback! Chilis babyback RIBS, BBQ SAUCE!!!!

:beer:

Canada
08-24-2007, 06:26 PM
Having a bad day are we???????

I have grown up a Chiefs fan and come to expect good play by the team so when I see what is going on here it pisses me off! Kinda like your doing right now!

We are all entitled to our opinions. So while you continue to be the resident HOMER and look at things through your rose colored glasses, I prefer to be a little more realistic! With the exception of a couple here, I think most are anticipating a below avg season for the Chiefs. I guess we will be less frustrated at the end of the year because we will have given into the fact that we were not going to have a good year while you will be trying to figure out what went wrong! I think we all would like to be eatin crow at seasons end but you know as well as everyone else does that it isn't going to happen! So while your optimism is nice sometimes, reality should set in about game 6 or 7 and we will address this thread then when your *****ing about how bad this and that are while at the same time trying to find something positive to say about the way they are playing and struggling to come up with anything that makes any sense at all.

You are right, I don't know nearly as much about it as you. I am a "homer" when I am optimistic, but then I say something pessimistic and you jump down my fuc*in throat. Sorry I don't agree with you, sorry i don't think the team sucks, but don't talk to me about shoving my opinion down someones damned throat.

Chiefster
08-24-2007, 06:52 PM
Misunderstandings happen, so lets try to concentrate on what we all have in common; that being we're Chiefs fans (most of us :) ). We want the team to do well, and get ticked off when they don't. It's a team sport; the Chiefs win as a team and they lose as one. They all have a part in it; defense, offense, special teams, coaches and everyone involved all the way down to the water boy whose ma ma thinks that foozball is da debil! :)

wolfpack
08-24-2007, 07:02 PM
Misunderstandings happen, so lets try to concentrate on what we all have in common; that being we're Chiefs fans (most of us :) ). We want the team to do well, and get ticked off when they don't. It's a team sport; the Chiefs win as a team and they lose as one. They all have a part in it; defense, offense, special teams, coaches and everyone involved all the way down to the water boy whose ma ma thinks that foozball is da debil! :)
i notice you didnt include the front office.

Chiefster
08-24-2007, 07:08 PM
i notice you didnt include the front office.


Yup; them too!....Especially them! :D

DrunkHillbilly
08-24-2007, 08:25 PM
I just drank the frosty one I had waiting for Canada!

Bighurt27
08-25-2007, 03:49 AM
When you look at some of the players on this d on paper it looks like a potential top 5 defense however the way they are looking in the pre season, I wouldn't bet the bank on it.

Chiefster
08-25-2007, 04:32 AM
When you look at some of the players on this d on paper it looks like a potential top 5 defense however the way they are looking in the pre season, I wouldn't bet the bank on it.

Maybe not a top five yet, but possibly a top ten. The only thing I've seen the first string "D" do is keep the games close enough to be winnable. I kinda thought that's what a defense does.

sling58
08-25-2007, 08:30 AM
When you look at some of the players on this d on paper it looks like a potential top 5 defense however the way they are looking in the pre season, I wouldn't bet the bank on it.

It's preseason. I don't even think we are using our playbooks yet. I think the d coordinator just said, "Go out there and play". We will show ourselves in Houston. I know we will come out firing.

AkChief49
08-25-2007, 12:31 PM
It's preseason. I don't even think we are using our playbooks yet. I think the d coordinator just said, "Go out there and play". We will show ourselves in Houston. I know we will come out firing.

I agree with ya there!! complete vanilla. It's still preseason, problems? yeah but I'll be wearin the Game jersey on game day and cheering for the Chiefs!! bad or good they're my team. evryone is entitled to an opinion,bad or good about the team. I think everyone here is a Chiefs fan...Lots of passion. Football does seem to roil the blood!!! but that's why we are fanatics!!:bananen_smilies046:

DrunkHillbilly
08-25-2007, 01:47 PM
I agree with ya there!! complete vanilla. It's still preseason, problems? yeah but I'll be wearin the Game jersey on game day and cheering for the Chiefs!! bad or good they're my team. evryone is entitled to an opinion,bad or good about the team. I think everyone here is a Chiefs fan...Lots of passion. Football does seem to roil the blood!!! but that's why we are fanatics!!:bananen_smilies046:

I love that piss on the Donks emeticon!!!!!

Chiefster
08-25-2007, 02:19 PM
It's preseason. I don't even think we are using our playbooks yet. I think the d coordinator just said, "Go out there and play". We will show ourselves in Houston. I know we will come out firing.

That would be awesome; although I'll temper my enthusiasm until I see it.

rbedgood
08-29-2007, 01:35 PM
Another thought...they're running a cover2...if you are running a cover2 in a vanilla form you lose a lot of your strengths (blitz packages, etc.) I still think a lot of the problem is attitude (which is 80% of defense) Going back to the Miami game, no one wanted to chase Ronnie Brown down and put him on the turf...he bounced off guys and kept going while other guys stood and watched assuming someone else was going to make the tackle. A good defense doesn't always make the first tackle, but when the RB/WR breaks that first tackle they should have 4 guys arriving to pounce on him.

swmochiefsfan
08-29-2007, 01:53 PM
Another thought...they're running a cover2...if you are running a cover2 in a vanilla form you lose a lot of your strengths (blitz packages, etc.) I still think a lot of the problem is attitude (which is 80% of defense) Going back to the Miami game, no one wanted to chase Ronnie Brown down and put him on the turf...he bounced off guys and kept going while other guys stood and watched assuming someone else was going to make the tackle. A good defense doesn't always make the first tackle, but when the RB/WR breaks that first tackle they should have 4 guys arriving to pounce on him.
exactly, watching our boys just stand there was not very reassuring

rbedgood
08-29-2007, 01:56 PM
Where's that peace pipe Chiefster was passing around the other day....?

DrunkHillbilly
08-29-2007, 01:57 PM
Another thought...they're running a cover2...if you are running a cover2 in a vanilla form you lose a lot of your strengths (blitz packages, etc.) I still think a lot of the problem is attitude (which is 80% of defense) Going back to the Miami game, no one wanted to chase Ronnie Brown down and put him on the turf...he bounced off guys and kept going while other guys stood and watched assuming someone else was going to make the tackle. A good defense doesn't always make the first tackle, but when the RB/WR breaks that first tackle they should have 4 guys arriving to pounce on him.

Don't the Bears run a cover 2?

rbedgood
08-29-2007, 02:00 PM
Don't the Bears run a cover 2?


Exactly...and they've given up 19 to Houston, 24 to Cleveland and 28 to San Francisco this preseason...

Chiefster
08-29-2007, 02:53 PM
exactly, watching our boys just stand there was not very reassuring

Yup; if they want to watch the game then buy a ticket and sit in the stands with the rest of the spectators.


Where's that peace pipe Chiefster was passing around the other day....?

It's here somewhere....Dang! I'll have to get another one! :p

DrunkHillbilly
08-29-2007, 07:33 PM
Exactly...and they've given up 19 to Houston, 24 to Cleveland and 28 to San Francisco this preseason...

Thay have ran it for years and been one of the best in the league for years!

rbedgood
08-29-2007, 07:51 PM
That's my point...they are one of the best in the league, yet their Cover 2 scheme has given up a lot of points in the preseason against some pretty poor competition. That being said, I still expect Chicago to be much better than KC's defense, but KC is better than they've shown in the preseason

swmochiefsfan
08-30-2007, 02:13 PM
It just goes to show,preseason means nothing:sign0153:

Chiefster
08-30-2007, 02:27 PM
It just goes to show,preseason means nothing:sign0153:

Well usually it doesn't.

rbedgood
08-30-2007, 02:54 PM
Well usually it doesn't.

Preseason is essentially "try-outs" for the fringe players. Most of your starters, especially the stars, only play enough to get their timing back, unless their in a situation to fight for their job...

Sure the team would love to be 4-0 at the end of preseason, but the larger concern is getting out of the preseason healthy and with the best 53 players you can.

Chiefster
08-30-2007, 02:57 PM
Preseason is essentially "try-outs" for the fringe players. Most of your starters, especially the stars, only play enough to get their timing back, unless their in a situation to fight for their job...

Sure the team would love to be 4-0 at the end of preseason, but the larger concern is getting out of the preseason healthy and with the best 53 players you can.

Yeah I know and agree; just hungry and impatient for a win. :)

swmochiefsfan
08-30-2007, 03:03 PM
Well I'll be watching tonight to see if the 3rd & 4th stringers can salvage something of this deboccule and keep the gov's cup( and what a joke that is by the way)

Chiefster
09-01-2007, 12:07 AM
Well I'll be watching tonight to see if the 3rd & 4th stringers can salvage something of this deboccule and keep the gov's cup( and what a joke that is by the way)


Yup; not many people really care about it.

sling58
09-01-2007, 07:43 AM
The only cup I care about is the one holding my beer.

Guru
09-01-2007, 07:49 AM
The only cup I care about is the one holding my beer.
I am sure that cup will hold beer.

Canada
09-01-2007, 11:48 AM
You can drink beer out of pretty much any concave object. A shell, a bowl, frisbee, a bellybutton, cat food dish...it's all good as long as it is beer!!

sling58
09-01-2007, 11:49 AM
You can drink beer out of pretty much any concave object. A shell, a bowl, frisbee, a bellybutton, cat food dish...it's all good as long as it is beer!!


How am I not surprised?

:lol: :lol:

Canada
09-01-2007, 11:50 AM
Sometimes things happen!! :)

sling58
09-01-2007, 11:51 AM
Sometimes things happen!! :)

Atleast you are resourceful!
:sign0098:

Canada
09-01-2007, 11:52 AM
I wouldn't have had to do it if my wife would let me just drink str8 from the keg!! Apparently that is not very classy!!

sling58
09-01-2007, 11:55 AM
I wouldn't have had to do it if my wife would let me just drink str8 from the keg!! Apparently that is not very classy!!

Class? who cares about quality, it's all about quantity in my book.

Canada
09-01-2007, 11:57 AM
The first beer is the only one I ever really taste anyways. After a few they all taste the same