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matthewschiefs
10-25-2009, 05:07 PM
OK its not very often that I dont watch a chiefs game from start to finsh. BUT THIS. THIS IS hard. There is nothing postive that can come from the game. ALL NEGITIVE. THe D was terrible the O was terrible. I am probley one of the easiest on Todd Hailey but this one is on him. The chiefs were not ready to play and I will always put that on the Head coach no matter if it is his first year. Todd Hailey did not do his job to get this team ready to play today end of story.

The offense. at the time of the ranting Cassel has 3 picks. One of them was not his fault. But the other 2 one being a bad overthrow. He didnt do his job. The Oline once again was terrible not giveing him anytime that is true but Cassle also was a part of the problem. The Chiefs once again could not run the ball. LJ gave effort I thought but he can not run behind that line. Charles had a good run and i no that alot of people will be on the start charles banwagon but I think its best that they dont at this time. I think that they should start LJ the rest of the season. Maybe move him this offseason get an OLINE that is filled with NFL players not this :sign0053: and then start him. Its better then have Charles end up on the injury list. And you never no how a guy is going to comeback from injury. This game just reminds everyone that the chiefs are going nowere soon.

The D showed a bright sign early only to fade away starting with the 2nd drive of the game. The Chargers got the run game going that was my biggest fear going into the game. That also opened up the passing game and the chiefs D did not play there best at all. They had some good stands but overall it was not a effort that you could say gave the chiefs a shot to win the game.

The Chiefs will have alot to think about on there bye week. They did not show up for a home divison game today. That is never good. They have a week to look at the tape and see what went wrong and there will be pleanty to see. Todd Hailey will have a week to think about why he was not able to get his team ready to play. This gives the Chiefs pleanty to think about on there bye week. And it gives them pleantly to be Upset with themselfs at when they play the jags. But this game was one that I am going to do my best to forget about. THE CHIEFS WERE TERRIBLE TODAY. Thats the end of the story.

HELLO BYE WEEK Bring on the jags and GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SIC J
10-25-2009, 05:21 PM
Its Hailey's fault that the players played HORRIBLE? Yeah that makes sense.

And for the record, only 1 interception was all Cassel and that was the over-throw. The last interception, Cassel was hit while he was throwing cuz AGAIN the O-line couldn't block for crap.


And YES, there was some positive out of this game. The defense stepped up several times with the goal line stands.


All in all, this was probably one of the worst games I've ever seen the Chiefs play in my lifetime. It didn't matter what plays Hailey called. The players were simply OUT-PLAYED. Couldn't keep up with the Charger receivers, missed blocks, dropped passes, no pressure on the QB (even when they blitzed), missed tackles, and on and on and on. They simply just couldn't make any plays.

Hopefully after the bye week they can can back and make some things happen.

chief31
10-25-2009, 06:12 PM
Its Hailey's fault that the players played HORRIBLE? Yeah that makes sense.

Oh. Maybe someone else is in charge of which players get to play fo Haley.

Perhaps someone else is in charge of having a viable gameplan.

It could be that someone else is responsible for treating these players like garbage, and destroying their desire to play.

Clearly, Todd Haley has been doing a top-notch job of coaching. He could be up for an award for his stellar work this season.

And for the record, only 1 interception was all Cassel and that was the over-throw. The last interception, Cassel was hit while he was throwing cuz AGAIN the O-line couldn't block for crap.

Yep. MVP-type of performance.

And YES, there was some positive out of this game. The defense stepped up several times with the goal line stands.


All in all, this was probably one of the worst games I've ever seen the Chiefs play in my lifetime. It didn't matter what plays Hailey called. The players were simply OUT-PLAYED. Couldn't keep up with the Charger receivers, missed blocks, dropped passes, no pressure on the QB (even when they blitzed), missed tackles, and on and on and on. They simply just couldn't make any plays.

Hopefully after the bye week they can can back and make some things happen.

Hopefully. But I becoming more and more convinced that the players are being handicapped by a gameplan that can not succeed.

I don't blame Cassel too heavily. All he did today was exactly what I would expect any QB to do with this offense, right now.

I am still rather impressed with his peformance on the season.

But almost every step that Haley has made has looked like horrible decisions, and the results (so far) have matched.

okikcfan
10-25-2009, 06:47 PM
Think About? The only thing anyone on the Chiefs team has to think about is how many of them will be there next year. This season is over and done with. Lets go for the draft pick, well as we really have much choice. I just dont get it. We do have some good talent on this team and I have AWAYS been a fan of Haley, but now I cant help but wonder if it's not the team itself, but the coaching. I cannot remember use ever play as bad as we did today, now you tell me, whats wrong with this team?

okikcfan
10-25-2009, 06:53 PM
I'm gonna keep on venting, He sucks!, He's a first year head coach, and thats all he should be, a head coach!, Not a HC, OC, QBC and what ever else he has chosen to make or call him self. Give him one job and one job only and lets see if he can handle that. All this really starts to make me wonder about Pioli too.....

Three7s
10-25-2009, 07:56 PM
Its Hailey's fault that the players played HORRIBLE? Yeah that makes sense.

And for the record, only 1 interception was all Cassel and that was the over-throw. The last interception, Cassel was hit while he was throwing cuz AGAIN the O-line couldn't block for crap.


And YES, there was some positive out of this game. The defense stepped up several times with the goal line stands.


All in all, this was probably one of the worst games I've ever seen the Chiefs play in my lifetime. It didn't matter what plays Hailey called. The players were simply OUT-PLAYED. Couldn't keep up with the Charger receivers, missed blocks, dropped passes, no pressure on the QB (even when they blitzed), missed tackles, and on and on and on. They simply just couldn't make any plays.

Hopefully after the bye week they can can back and make some things happen.
I think you need to lose the rose-colored glasses.

kilobytes
10-25-2009, 07:57 PM
Cassel SUCKED no matter the protection and no matter the WR. I saw throws not even close and way too many unnecessary scramble attempts and sacks. I knew this would be the biggest mistake in terms of transactions for the Chiefs. He hasn't proved anything and we give him 60 million...Cassel isn't Jamarcus Russel bad at all, he is just not worth the money.

Also the Defensive play calling was TERRIBLE. Why all the blitzing?!?!? EVERYTIME THEY JUST THROW A SCREEN TO SOME WIDE OPEN GUY OR FIND SOMEONE WIDE OPEN DOWN FIELD FOR A TD!?!?! Terrible.

Haley was bad. Some things were okay but half the time I was scratching my head and PISSED! QB SNEAK!?!?! COME ON!?!?!

I had a feeling of a blowout just sitting in my gut before the game.

LJ was okay and was trying hard to get what VERY little was there. I saw good blocking from him too. Nice block on that TD pass from LJ. SHOULD HAVE GOT MORE PASSES....

Also nice block by Charles on the a punt....OLE
Otherwise he did okay especially on kick returns

#58ChiefsFan
10-25-2009, 08:52 PM
I'm gonna keep on venting, He sucks!, He's a first year head coach, and thats all he should be, a head coach!, Not a HC, OC, QBC and what ever else he has chosen to make or call him self. Give him one job and one job only and lets see if he can handle that. All this really starts to make me wonder about Pioli too.....

Something that I don't understand is who is coaching Cassel on the sideline during the game?

Having not been to Arrowhead under the new regime and only able to catch games on tv, I wonder what is going on while our defense is on the field?

Reguardless I believe Hailey having so many hats on is hindering the developement of the offense. Most likely hindering all three phases in some fashion.

That said I still have complete faith in Pioli to make our Chiefs a championship team in time.

Hailey I like, but I feel he needs to have one job as you said.

okikcfan
10-25-2009, 09:19 PM
It's Pioli's job to make this team the best that it can be and by allowing Haley to take on so much so soon makes me wonder what the heck are they thinking. You can't help but wonder if even Haley will be there next year. We are in the rebuilding phase, so how is it we just keep getting worse? All the teams that fired their OC before the start of the season are all having bad seasons. This in itself should be telling Pioli something. I still have faith that we can get better but not until there are some changes at coaching. I'm not saying cut Haley, just get him an OC and QBC and let him prove he can handle being a HC and then go from there.

texaschief
10-26-2009, 03:20 AM
This scheme sucks. It's an EXTREMELY vulnerable scheme if you don't have the perfect personnel to run it.

I REALLY have to question the talent evaluation on this team though. Not ONLY did Haley cut Pollard, but he also benched Page today and is starting McGraw for the 2nd week in a row. This guy couldn't SNIFF the starting rotation last year and now both of our good, young safeties are either gone or sitting behind these two clowns.

effin pathetic.

Hayvern
10-26-2009, 04:24 AM
Its Hailey's fault that the players played HORRIBLE? Yeah that makes sense.


Actually to a point it does make sense. The coach is supposed to teach them how to play, motivate them to play their hardest and correct them when they do wrong.

Well this coach apparently cannot teach them as he does not have time for the teaching part (why most teams have other coaches, Ocs and such, not us of course). He CHOSE this route, so that is clearly on him, it is Haley's fault pure and simple.

Of course there are situations where we just do not have the talent on the team to do what they want to do, that is what made Gailey so good for us last year, he worked with the players and built an offense around what we had on the team. Haley is so egotistical that he will not consider changing anything. The worse thing is that someone is going to get hurt.


I'm gonna keep on venting, He sucks!, He's a first year head coach, and thats all he should be, a head coach!, Not a HC, OC, QBC and what ever else he has chosen to make or call him self. Give him one job and one job only and lets see if he can handle that. All this really starts to make me wonder about Pioli too.....

Agreed!


Something that I don't understand is who is coaching Cassel on the sideline during the game?


This is a good question, also, who is looking for those opportunities, the weakness in the defense that can be exploited? That is typically the OC, but we don't have one of those. Haley has to make game decisions, call plays, and coach the players. That is just not going to work.

It is really sad, but I have really not seen any adjustments made this season, except for when we go from trying to run, to passing every down. Haley is out of his league and for him to even think that he can run this entire team on his own is an ego that won't quit.

In this, I agree with Johnson, we have all seen it.

Bike
10-26-2009, 03:16 PM
Its Hailey's fault that the players played HORRIBLE?
You damn right. It is Haley who put this coaching staff together. It is Haley that fired his oc and qb coach. It is Haley that decided we had to convert to the 3-4 this year. It is Haley that has yet to put together a winning game plan. It is Haley that won't allow his qb to audible at the line of scrimmage. It is Haley that mismanages critical gametime decisions. It is Haley that trashed his players with the 22 players off the street comment. It is Haley that sits playmakers and starts backups. It is Haley that is 1-6. Haley said it himself - "This is my team and I take full responsibility for its performance."
Haley and Pendergast can both go back to the desert as far as I'm concerned.

yashi
10-26-2009, 03:30 PM
Good:
- Charles kick returns and rushing.
- Lance Long looks like a tough little receiver with some speed.

Bad:
- Everything else.

Hayvern
10-26-2009, 04:31 PM
It is Haley that won't allow his qb to audible at the line of scrimmage.

Dude, seriously, at least on 4th and 1 and you see that the Chargers are loading up on defense to stop the quarterback sneak, why not call an audible and do a quick screen to the outside or something.

There were two instances of this in the game. Everyone knew on both occasions what we were going to do and one of those cost us an injury to our starting center.

For Pete's sake, you have to be able to make an adjustment on the line when you know what the defense is going to do, the Chargers televised the fact that they knew it was a QB sneak.

That is just asinine!

KottkeKU
10-26-2009, 05:24 PM
I feel like this season is just a practice season for Haley...as much as he/Pioli wont admit it, they are using this season to find out what they have, what they need, and the best way to do things...this explains a lot of the questionable play calls...

Right now, this team does not believe in the system or coaching staff to get a win...that is enough right there to cause multiple problems....

watching Danan Hughes the other night on Metro, i always like what he has to say, but the other night he said there is just no fire to this team...its like they do not care at all...Jackson goes off for 140 yards (plus another 50 if he doesnt drop that one pass in the 1st half where he laughed at how bad our coverage was) and nobody even cares....you gotta hit him when he comes over the middle...something to say our defense does not appreciate a receiver going off for nearly 150 yards off 4 or 5 catches...

And its really not fair to judge LJ or the rest of the offense for that matter when the O-Line is as bad as it is right now....you cant do anything on offense no matter if you have Montana and Barry Sanders without a decent O-line....

Chief Tyler
10-26-2009, 05:34 PM
Dude, seriously, at least on 4th and 1 and you see that the Chargers are loading up on defense to stop the quarterback sneak, why not call an audible and do a quick screen to the outside or something.


Or blow a timeout and punt like we should have the first time around.

SIC J
10-26-2009, 06:33 PM
I feel like this season is just a practice season for Haley...as much as he/Pioli wont admit it, they are using this season to find out what they have, what they need, and the best way to do things...this explains a lot of the questionable play calls...

Right now, this team does not believe in the system or coaching staff to get a win...that is enough right there to cause multiple problems....

watching Danan Hughes the other night on Metro, i always like what he has to say, but the other night he said there is just no fire to this team...its like they do not care at all...Jackson goes off for 140 yards (plus another 50 if he doesnt drop that one pass in the 1st half where he laughed at how bad our coverage was) and nobody even cares....you gotta hit him when he comes over the middle...something to say our defense does not appreciate a receiver going off for nearly 150 yards off 4 or 5 catches...

And its really not fair to judge LJ or the rest of the offense for that matter when the O-Line is as bad as it is right now....you cant do anything on offense no matter if you have Montana and Barry Sanders without a decent O-line....

EXACTLY! Thats what I've been saying! This season is just to weed out players and give some opportunities for other players. Pioli and Haley didn't expect to make the playoffs this year. The Chiefs are messed up from Herm and they came to try and fix it. People here act like 1 off season was enough time or something.


Oh and Barry Sanders is/was probably the only RB that could run for 1000+ yards a season with a crappy O-line.

Hayvern
10-26-2009, 07:13 PM
EXACTLY! Thats what I've been saying! This season is just to weed out players and give some opportunities for other players. Pioli and Haley didn't expect to make the playoffs this year. The Chiefs are messed up from Herm and they came to try and fix it. People here act like 1 off season was enough time or something.


Oh and Barry Sanders is/was probably the only RB that could run for 1000+ yards a season with a crappy O-line.

Really? This is what you were saying? The problem is you said that it was not Haley's fault if the players were not putting out on the field, but now you are trying to say it is Haley's fault because he is really not trying to win, but is using this as an evaluation season?

Which is it? Is it Haley's fault or not?

And by the way, I do not disagree that this is a learning season (more accurate) it is a chance for Haley to learn how to be a coach. It is clearly trial and error for him as he gets his legs wet. As I said in another post, Haley may well become an outstanding coach, but it will not be at Kansas City, he has too far to go and if we have two or three more years of 2 or 4 wins per season, Hunt will not put up with it.

The other thing is that they have had a chance to address known issues. Everyone in the league knew that KC needed help on the offensive line, they also knew we needed help on Defense.

Let's talk Broncos a minute, the Broncos had a horrible defense last year, they really did not do a lot with it in the off season and look at them this year. The difference? I think a lot of people will say it is coaching. Haley and Pendergast are NOT getting the job done when you get blown out 37 - 7. Sorry guys, that is a badly coached football team PERIOD!

Isawa_mo
10-26-2009, 07:19 PM
Really? This is what you were saying? The problem is you said that it was not Haley's fault if the players were not putting out on the field, but now you are trying to say it is Haley's fault because he is really not trying to win, but is using this as an evaluation season?

Which is it? Is it Haley's fault or not?

And by the way, I do not disagree that this is a learning season (more accurate) it is a chance for Haley to learn how to be a coach. It is clearly trial and error for him as he gets his legs wet. As I said in another post, Haley may well become an outstanding coach, but it will not be at Kansas City, he has too far to go and if we have two or three more years of 2 or 4 wins per season, Hunt will not put up with it.

The other thing is that they have had a chance to address known issues. Everyone in the league knew that KC needed help on the offensive line, they also knew we needed help on Defense.

Let's talk Broncos a minute, the Broncos had a horrible defense last year, they really did not do a lot with it in the off season and look at them this year. The difference? I think a lot of people will say it is coaching. Haley and Pendergast are NOT getting the job done when you get blown out 37 - 7. Sorry guys, that is a badly coached football team PERIOD!

I would say its talent...

Hayvern
10-26-2009, 07:23 PM
I would say its talent...

Me too, coaching talent!

:lol:

Bike
10-26-2009, 07:54 PM
I'm bummed.

Coach
10-26-2009, 08:06 PM
EXACTLY! Thats what I've been saying! This season is just to weed out players and give some opportunities for other players. Pioli and Haley didn't expect to make the playoffs this year. The Chiefs are messed up from Herm and they came to try and fix it. People here act like 1 off season was enough time or something.


I agree.

matthewschiefs
10-26-2009, 10:32 PM
EXACTLY! Thats what I've been saying! This season is just to weed out players and give some opportunities for other players. Pioli and Haley didn't expect to make the playoffs this year. The Chiefs are messed up from Herm and they came to try and fix it. People here act like 1 off season was enough time or something..

I agree with every word of this. But I dont think that there is any doubt that the team on the field yesterday was not the best effort that the Chiefs could have given. I dont think that the Chiefs came ready to play and I Will put that on Todd Haley. But I still agree that given time Haley can be a good coach. He just was not yesterday.