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Ryfo18
11-01-2009, 06:13 PM
I'm fairly new to the boards, and I'm sure there has been topics on this. But I hate watching Jared Allen continue to tear up QBs. We haven't had a good pass rush since he left. It looks like a good trade when we trade him for a first and two 3rds, but draft picks are always a gamble. We got Dorsey, Jamaal Charles, and Dajuan Morgan (is he even still with the Chiefs???) for him. He would still be a huge asset to our team. I just don't see the logic to trading THE best pass rusher in the league (I believe he led the league in sacks AFTER missing 4 games for his DUI) for anything less than another player that has proven his worth in the NFL. I have to say, this was more bonehead that Al Davis taking DHB in the 1st round this year.

stricken721
11-01-2009, 06:29 PM
I'm fairly new to the boards, and I'm sure there has been topics on this. But I hate watching Jared Allen continue to tear up QBs. We haven't had a good pass rush since he left. It looks like a good trade when we trade him for a first and two 3rds, but draft picks are always a gamble. We got Dorsey, Jamaal Charles, and Dajuan Morgan (is he even still with the Chiefs???) for him. He would still be a huge asset to our team. I just don't see the logic to trading THE best pass rusher in the league (I believe he led the league in sacks AFTER missing 4 games for his DUI) for anything less than another player that has proven his worth in the NFL. I have to say, this was more bonehead that Al Davis taking DHB in the 1st round this year.


Actually we got Branden Albert for Jared Allen not Glenn Dorsey. But yeah it does suck to see him being the dominant player that he is, especially knowing that he used to be a Chief. And I agree 100% that it was a boneheaded move by Carl Peterson.

Also, welcome to the Crowd. :bananen_smilies046:

stricken721
11-01-2009, 06:30 PM
DaJuan Morgan is still with the Chiefs too btw.

hometeam
11-01-2009, 07:25 PM
All I have to say is take a peek at my chiefs favorite player. And this was BEFORE he went to Minnesota.

Hes still my boy, and favorite player in the NFL.

The reason we let him go is so we could sign jerk face johnson to a long term contract. All he wanted was to be paid. Thanks again CP!

rodu
11-01-2009, 07:29 PM
Didn't Allen want to get traded?

stricken721
11-01-2009, 07:36 PM
Didn't Allen want to get traded?

Yep because CP wouldn't give him a long term contract.

rodu
11-01-2009, 07:38 PM
Yep because CP wouldn't give him a long term contract.

that was in part to his DUI history, but i thought Jared commented on wanting to leave the KC area because he was getting slack from the local media regarding that

matthewschiefs
11-01-2009, 07:50 PM
It was a dumb move to get rid of him. When you have a player that good you should do whatever you can to keep him. CP did not do that.

Connie Jo
11-01-2009, 11:13 PM
It was my understanding, from a source who at the time had inside info...that Carl Peterson and Jared Allen disliked each other very much due to personality conflicts.

Peterson promised Jared that if he lived up to his expectations, he would give him a long term contract. Jared worked hard, and he did live up to his expectations and then some. Peterson then began backtracking on his promise of a long term contract using the DUI as a reason.

Jared stated publicly that he didn't want to leave KC...he believed he would spend his career as a Chief, bought land & built a nice home in KC intending to stay.

I was upset then, and still am today at Peterson for letting Jared go...with Peterson's power trip ego, he wasn't about to give Jared what he wanted...he didn't like him, didn't want him to stay.

It was the trade of Allen that was the last straw for me as far as having any support or respect for CP remaining GM of the Chiefs.

Connie Jo
11-01-2009, 11:21 PM
that was in part to his DUI history, but i thought Jared commented on wanting to leave the KC area because he was getting slack from the local media regarding that

The Chiefs Organization is major source of advertising income for the local media. I would bet money that Peterson manipulated and/or used his $$ power with the media to encourage negative propaganda towards Jared, relating specifically to his DUI...in an effort to make Peterson appear justified in trading Allen to the fans. It didn't work with this fan.

texaschief
11-01-2009, 11:35 PM
He's a 4-3 DE. Even if he WERE still with the Chiefs, he would've been traded or turned into a LB like Hali. I don't see JA as a good LB. I think he does a great job moving forward, but I have my doubts about him in coverage. But I had the same doubts about Hali making that transition. Between CP, his run-ins with the law, his impending free agency, and the new defensive scheme, there was no way he was going to be a Chief in the long-term. With that in mind, I'm happy with the trade.

Isawa_mo
11-02-2009, 12:43 AM
You are making the assumption that we would still be making those changes to the team if JA were here. Its entirely possible they would have stuck to the 4-3 if we still had JA on the team. For that matter, and people are going to hate me for saying this, but Herm might still be here if Allen were here. He might have been enough to help us win a few more games last year.

Whether that would have been good or bad, is anyone's guess. In my mind now, having Herm and CP gone are hopefully going to be worth losing JA in the long run, but it sure is painful to watch his success now. Then again, atleast CP would be gone if JA was still here, because he stated pretty clearly toward the end that it was him or CP. Something to that effect anyhow.

hometeam
11-02-2009, 12:52 AM
^ exactly.

If you have JA, you are a 4-3 team,

Remember, even know we still have abunch of 4-3 personell~



But yes, it makes me sad too watch him wreaking so much havok.

May be the Defensive Player of the year if he keeps on a rampage.

Oh well.

Connie Jo
11-02-2009, 12:53 AM
Jared was an asset to the Chiefs in many ways. He plays with heart, gives 110%...and he was a great morale booster for the Chiefs team and fans. He was the best at rowdying up the fans to create crowd noise with helping our defense. I miss him in that aspect too.

Chiefster
11-02-2009, 01:17 AM
You are making the assumption that we would still be making those changes to the team if JA were here. Its entirely possible they would have stuck to the 4-3 if we still had JA on the team. For that matter, and people are going to hate me for saying this, but Herm might still be here if Allen were here. He might have been enough to help us win a few more games last year.

Whether that would have been good or bad, is anyone's guess. In my mind now, having Herm and CP gone are hopefully going to be worth losing JA in the long run, but it sure is painful to watch his success now. Then again, atleast CP would be gone if JA was still here, because he stated pretty clearly toward the end that it was him or CP. Something to that effect anyhow.

You are unequivocally 100% absolutely inaccurate or otherwise completely wrong in your assumption here; I don't hate you. :D

hometeam
11-02-2009, 01:18 AM
http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2009/11/1.jpg

Chiefster
11-02-2009, 01:26 AM
http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2009/11/1.jpg

That's a nice shot!

matthewschiefs
11-02-2009, 01:57 AM
You are making the assumption that we would still be making those changes to the team if JA were here. Its entirely possible they would have stuck to the 4-3 if we still had JA on the team. For that matter, and people are going to hate me for saying this, but Herm might still be here if Allen were here. He might have been enough to help us win a few more games last year.

Whether that would have been good or bad, is anyone's guess. In my mind now, having Herm and CP gone are hopefully going to be worth losing JA in the long run, but it sure is painful to watch his success now. Then again, atleast CP would be gone if JA was still here, because he stated pretty clearly toward the end that it was him or CP. Something to that effect anyhow.

I am going to have nightmares now. :lol:

Vandelay
11-02-2009, 02:07 AM
He's not here anymore.
What's done is done.
Time to move on .

hometeam
11-02-2009, 11:11 AM
^ true that hes not here any more, but there is nothing wrong with making comparisons from JA to LJ, or just talking about JA right now, since that is the choice we made.

It has everything to do with where we are at right now as a football team~

rodu
11-02-2009, 09:41 PM
It was my understanding, from a source who at the time had inside info...that Carl Peterson and Jared Allen disliked each other very much due to personality conflicts.

Peterson promised Jared that if he lived up to his expectations, he would give him a long term contract. Jared worked hard, and he did live up to his expectations and then some. Peterson then began backtracking on his promise of a long term contract using the DUI as a reason.

Jared stated publicly that he didn't want to leave KC...he believed he would spend his career as a Chief, bought land & built a nice home in KC intending to stay.

I was upset then, and still am today at Peterson for letting Jared go...with Peterson's power trip ego, he wasn't about to give Jared what he wanted...he didn't like him, didn't want him to stay.

It was the trade of Allen that was the last straw for me as far as having any support or respect for CP remaining GM of the Chiefs.

kinda reminds of of CP and John Tait, how they disliked each other

josh1971
11-02-2009, 09:53 PM
There's a theme there... people seemed to dislike CP when they were good players.........

Connie Jo
11-03-2009, 09:26 PM
There's a theme there... people seemed to dislike CP when they were good players.........

Well, that could be because CP never kept his word with those good players if they produced for him. They produced, then he found excuses, or reasons...depending on your personal view...to not keep his word.

I always believed CP was more about profit than winning, and a good GM can balance both...CP couldn't. He got lucky with the Schottenheimer era, especially considering some of our good players like DT were more content with what CP offered I suppose.

warcrychief
11-05-2009, 04:13 PM
i think this was the straw that broke the back for the Hunts that let CP go.