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Fansincebirth
11-12-2009, 12:34 AM
Todd said today that he wouldnt trade more turnovers for getting the ball down the field more. Seems that defences are playing 11 men in a fifteen yard zone. I think you have to turn your quarterback loose and let him take some chances to loosen up defences so we can complete more short passes with oppertunity to RAC and free up the running game again. I understand that protection is not great but you can throw a deep pass on a three step drop. A deep pass does not always need to be completed to loosen a defence. I would love for them to let Matt cut loose and let him throw some back shoulder passes and some jump balls in tight coverage. When Matt threw the near interseption on the fade to Chambers, the coverage was there and Chambers exspected the back shoulder pass and backed out of the coverage. I think this is something that they need to start letting Matt throw these passes. Mayby it is lack of oppertunnity to practice with the same recievers long enough to build that trust. What ya think gang.

rodu
11-12-2009, 12:49 AM
Why is that all in italics?

matthewschiefs
11-12-2009, 10:04 AM
first thing first the chiefs have to stop going backwards before they can start takeing long shots down the field. Thats the biggest thing.

hometeam
11-12-2009, 10:09 AM
I agree with this post. Getting the ball down the field is important, and we are the worst in the league at it. heck, even taking shots down the field puts the defense on its heels and stretches them out and can open up run game and underneath stuff.

yashi
11-12-2009, 10:11 AM
first thing first the chiefs have to stop going backwards before they can start takeing long shots down the field. Thats the biggest thing.

Chicken or the egg. A big reason we're seeing minus plays is because defenses have no reason to respect us, so they're stacking the box. Haley even acknowledged the reason he didn't run the ball much was because Jacksonville was stacking 8-9 constantly.

If you don't take some shots in those situations, you're going to have to rely on guys breaking tackles on the short routes just to convert first downs. We haven't been able to do that through 8 games, so I don't see it happening all of a sudden. We really need to start throwing deep more often. We have Chambers to go along with Bowe now as deep threats, so double coverage is not an excuse.

jtandcrew
11-12-2009, 10:30 AM
granted, penalties, sacks andruns for losses are forcing us backwards. although, I think what he is saying is if we dont go down field at ALL then why do the defenses have to respect anything? Think about it. if u only run or throw no more than 15 yard passes and the other teams defense looks at those tapes and sees that? then of course they are going to make a defensive game plan of all plays 15 yards or less

70 chiefsfan70
11-12-2009, 11:34 AM
I don't feel like we have anthing to loose therefore we can't afford not throw down the field, if we don't make it we can't say we didn't try.If we don't try, we'll never be able to run the ball successfully.

Look on the bright side.......We will get a better chance to pick up the best safety, Eric Berry...

pbatrucker
11-12-2009, 11:42 AM
Throwing the ball down field takes time!!! Can't throw it very far laying on your back!!!

yashi
11-12-2009, 11:48 AM
I don't feel like we have anthing to loose therefore we can't afford not throw down the field, if we don't make it we can't say we didn't try.If we don't try, we'll never be able to run the ball successfully.

Look on the bright side.......We will get a better chance to pick up the best safety, Eric Berry...

Berry will punish other teams for throwing deep on us. I can't wait for him to be killing that deep passing attack of San Diego.

honda522
11-12-2009, 01:06 PM
I agree. But sometimes Cassel doesn't even a have time for a 3 step drop. I wish we would call some boot legs.

matthewschiefs
11-12-2009, 02:54 PM
I am hopeing now that they cut LJ Charles and Smith can get the run game going better. That in turn will help the passing game. Lets just hope things work out. GO CHIEFS

SAPHOJUNKIE
11-12-2009, 04:31 PM
Berry will punish other teams for throwing deep on us. I can't wait for him to be killing that deep passing attack of San Diego.

Am I the only one who is a little concerned by Berry's size? He's incredibly fast and agile, but he looks like a freshman out there, and that's college.

yashi
11-12-2009, 05:01 PM
Am I the only one who is a little concerned by Berry's size? He's incredibly fast and agile, but he looks like a freshman out there, and that's college.

I'm not. He's not a big guy by any means, but some of the best safeties are roughly the same size: Ed Reed, Bob Sanders, Mike Brown (of years past). Polamalu's only listed as 5'10" 207. I'm more concerned with how much ground they can cover out there playing center field, and Berry seems to be a solid tackler despite his stature.

PawnshopMarimba
11-13-2009, 03:36 AM
Meh. Cassel hasn't been all that accurate downfield when given the opportunity.

Maybe an early strike would be good, before Matt gets rattled by the lousy O-Line. Maybe if he connects it, the momentum gets on our side. I'm all for that.

Hayvern
11-13-2009, 11:28 AM
Meh. Cassel hasn't been all that accurate downfield when given the opportunity.

Maybe an early strike would be good, before Matt gets rattled by the lousy O-Line. Maybe if he connects it, the momentum gets on our side. I'm all for that.

He just needs more practice at it in game time!

:fan_wave2: :lol:

matthewschiefs
11-13-2009, 01:19 PM
Meh. Cassel hasn't been all that accurate downfield when given the opportunity.

Maybe an early strike would be good, before Matt gets rattled by the lousy O-Line. Maybe if he connects it, the momentum gets on our side. I'm all for that.

I think that the fact that usely when cassel has throw the ball down the field hes usely haveing to run for his life has had something to do with his acuuracy. But a early shot that works would defently help the chiefs. Lets hope we see it this sunday.

Fansincebirth
11-13-2009, 09:11 PM
it doesnt have to work or or connect to stretch the defence a little. I dont care if it lands 2 yards out of bounds or 5 yards past the 1 on 1 reciever on the outside. When they know that we will take some shots long they can't sit on routes and have to respect the possiblity of double moves and fly routes. When they start respecting the chance of a double move, they can't be jumping routes or sitting on 10 and 15 yard routes. This will help create space for recievers and let us complete more passes. This also helps creat space for them to have a chance to get more yards after catch.