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marloweopatchiefs
12-10-2009, 08:51 PM
Trent Green (http://www.nfl.com/players/trentgreen/profile?id=GRE367521)

Your right cassel won't be the next green he will be better then green. Like i said that post was the stupidest post i have ever seen in my life. Trent green threw more interceptions then he did td's in his first season with the chiefs and he had better weapons to work with then cassel does. Not trying to put anyone down but when people post comparing one person to another make sure your facts are straight.

matthewschiefs
12-10-2009, 11:26 PM
I hope your right and he does turn out better then Trent. Trent did have a bad first season with the Chiefs but he turned out a pretty good stay in KC. I hope Matt turns out the same but I guess we will just have to wait and see on that one.

AussieChiefsFan
12-11-2009, 01:19 AM
Trent Green (http://www.nfl.com/players/trentgreen/profile?id=GRE367521)

Your right cassel won't be the next green he will be better then green. Like i said that post was the stupidest post i have ever seen in my life. Trent green threw more interceptions then he did td's in his first season with the chiefs and he had better weapons to work with then cassel does. Not trying to put anyone down but when people post comparing one person to another make sure your facts are straight.

Nice post. I mean Cassell isnt that bad anyway. Id like to see some more of cassel passing to chambers in the games.

josh1971
12-11-2009, 04:13 AM
I want stupid to come back from his suspension and open things up by drawing double coverage. That will open things up for Chambers and others in the passing game.

I want us to keep taking shots down the field to loosen things up as well.

I don't believe Cassel is that bad. When we're not winning, and have such glaring problems as our O-line has, it's easy to get negative about a whole lot of things.

Chiefster
12-11-2009, 04:21 AM
I want stupid to come back from his suspension and open things up by drawing double coverage. That will open things up for Chambers and others in the passing game.

I want us to keep taking shots down the field to loosen things up as well.

I don't believe Cassel is that bad. When we're not winning, and have such glaring problems as our O-line has, it's easy to get negative about a whole lot of things.

...This!

Seek
12-11-2009, 02:40 PM
I want stupid to come back from his suspension and open things up by drawing double coverage. That will open things up for Chambers and others in the passing game.

I want us to keep taking shots down the field to loosen things up as well.

I don't believe Cassel is that bad. When we're not winning, and have such glaring problems as our O-line has, it's easy to get negative about a whole lot of things.

Stupid has 7 drops this year. That is half of New Orleans entire team. He needs to work on catching the ball instead of flexing when he does catch one.

yashi
12-11-2009, 02:44 PM
LOL "stupid". That made me laugh.

It could be worse.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0926/nfl_g_russel_bowe_600.jpg

Man Bowe has some big teeth.

Chiefster
12-11-2009, 06:20 PM
LOL "stupid". That made me laugh.

It could be worse.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0926/nfl_g_russel_bowe_600.jpg

Man Bowe has some big teeth.

All the better to...I'll leave it at that. :D

hardcorechiefsfan
12-11-2009, 08:29 PM
.....................Green and Cassell...
I think that Cassell has what it takes to do great things. Green had it too but when he got hurt it was like downhill from there. I guess that I remember Green's end better then then when he was doing good.
When Vermiel announced that he was bringing Green as quarterback and to also help motivate the players but it seemed that they just got big heads and didn't care about teamwork I wasn't too happy with Green.
All in all, the one thing that Cassell needs as well as any other quarterback is an O-line that will protect him while he's moving back with the ball to pass or give the ball to the rusher;and an O-line that will make sure that the runner has the paths and protection to give Cassell a reason to shine.

It comes down to the O-line making sure Cassell has the people to throw to and know that they will get yardage.

tornadospotter
12-12-2009, 12:10 AM
...This!
That!

Connie Jo
12-12-2009, 02:17 AM
I want stupid to come back from his suspension and open things up by drawing double coverage. That will open things up for Chambers and others in the passing game.

I want us to keep taking shots down the field to loosen things up as well.

I don't believe Cassel is that bad. When we're not winning, and have such glaring problems as our O-line has, it's easy to get negative about a whole lot of things.

I agree!

I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last if I am, haha...but...I tend to think that part of Cassel's problem currently is 'frustration'.

I think he might be pressuring himself too much now...considering our record & nearing the end of the season. I think due to his negative experience with our weak O-line, receivers dropping balls, or letting them go through their hands, caught passes being brought back due to penalities...he's just frustrated overall and trying too hard to make something happen with what he knows he has to work with.

Possibly too many factors are on his mind at once that shouldn't and wouldn't be with a more experienced & competent team behind him. He has good reason to doubt the competence of his team-mates, and it's clouding his judgement with trying to make something happen, win a game somehow.

Stumplifter
12-12-2009, 08:40 PM
The best the O Line has played all of this year has been the past couple of weeks. I tend to believe that it's partially due to the fact that Haley isn't rotating and demoting and signing and promoting, etc...... I think they are starting to get used to each other and hopefully they'll keep improving.

Chiefster
12-13-2009, 03:03 AM
That!


Déjà vu!

AussieChiefsFan
12-13-2009, 04:48 AM
Déjà vu!

okay

IlovetheChiefs
12-13-2009, 10:47 AM
Déjà vu!

Yeah you can say that again.

Bike
12-13-2009, 10:25 PM
Cassel has no offensive coordinator or qb coach to help him get through games. Just Haley screaming at him from down one. Who's to blame for that? Its just a bad situation for any qb to be in - especially a young qb on a new team.

figcrostic
12-14-2009, 01:02 PM
Trent Green (http://www.nfl.com/players/trentgreen/profile?id=GRE367521)

Your right cassel won't be the next green he will be better then green. Like i said that post was the stupidest post i have ever seen in my life. Trent green threw more interceptions then he did td's in his first season with the chiefs and he had better weapons to work with then cassel does. Not trying to put anyone down but when people post comparing one person to another make sure your facts are straight.

Your insane the Chiefs had horrible WR's when Green played in 2001, Morton for instance was one of our best and he sucked and he didn't even play that season, we didn't pick up kennison until game 9 or 10 after he was cut from denver. Who were our big weapons you speak of,Trent's only weapon was TG who is a best but when he is being doubled up all day it gets difficult. Cassel has Bowe (he's out right now but he had him), Chambers for about 4 games now, Jamaal Charles is an awesome WR, Pope has made some good plays, I honestly think wade is just a good as Morten, Lance Long is pretty good, and Mark Bradley was great last year but is not being utilized this year. Plus Cassel is starting to do something now that was his only positive for not doing, throwing interceptions he has 13td's and 13 interceptions, not so good.

marloweopatchiefs
12-14-2009, 02:42 PM
Your insane the Chiefs had horrible WR's when Green played in 2001, Morton for instance was one of our best and he sucked and he didn't even play that season, we didn't pick up kennison until game 9 or 10 after he was cut from denver. Who were our big weapons you speak of,Trent's only weapon was TG who is a best but when he is being doubled up all day it gets difficult. Cassel has Bowe (he's out right now but he had him), Chambers for about 4 games now, Jamaal Charles is an awesome WR, Pope has made some good plays, I honestly think wade is just a good as Morten, Lance Long is pretty good, and Mark Bradley was great last year but is not being utilized this year. Plus Cassel is starting to do something now that was his only positive for not doing, throwing interceptions he has 13td's and 13 interceptions, not so good.



I am not insane he had the same wide receiving corps the next year. Aka as johnny morton and eddie kennison and there offense was awesome. No I am not insane and i still think cassel will be fine once he gets a descent group around him that can CATCH a ball.

Chiefster
12-14-2009, 03:07 PM
Yeah you can say that again.

:lol:

figcrostic
12-14-2009, 05:20 PM
I am not insane he had the same wide receiving corps the next year. Aka as johnny morton and eddie kennison and there offense was awesome. No I am not insane and i still think cassel will be fine once he gets a descent group around him that can CATCH a ball.
Read my post again Morton did not play until his second year and kennison only played 6 games. I still think Cassel wr core is better then what Trent had name one good WR trent had for the whole season of 2001 devard darling would look like a start on that roster

moonshiner
12-14-2009, 08:01 PM
there are 2 big differnces in Trent & Matt's situation . Vermiel had a working knowdedge of Trent , coached him and knew his capabilities as well as Trent already had time in that offense . Vermiel had coached a team to 2 SB's and won one & it could be argued HIS DV's Rams went to another after his leaving

Matt's situation altho fairly similar comparing the 2 is IMO a dreamers wishful thinking .. I hope Matt turns out to be as good as Trent but I dont think as of now the comparisons are viable except to say that their first season as a Chief has been miserable.

marloweopatchiefs
12-14-2009, 09:31 PM
Read my post again Morton did not play until his second year and kennison only played 6 games. I still think Cassel wr core is better then what Trent had name one good WR trent had for the whole season of 2001 devard darling would look like a start on that roster

I don't care what u say and the number don't lie...cassel at least does not have more interceptions then he does tds...i don't need to read anything..look at the stats trent green and that team had a better record as well then this kc team..trent green had better receiving corps..anyone but you will agree with me.

marloweopatchiefs
12-14-2009, 09:32 PM
I don't care what u say and the number don't lie...cassel at least does not have more interceptions then he does tds...i don't need to read anything..look at the stats trent green and that team had a better record as well then this kc team..trent green had better receiving corps..anyone but you will agree with me.


And are you forgetting he had GONZALEZ and eddie kennison there dude..what do u mean one good receiver?

Connie Jo
12-15-2009, 12:49 AM
I am not insane he had the same wide receiving corps the next year. Aka as johnny morton and eddie kennison and there offense was awesome. No I am not insane and i still think cassel will be fine once he gets a descent group around him that can CATCH a ball.

Dante Hall was often used as a WR also during Trent's years with the Chiefs. In fact, it was often noted by analysts that the Chiefs had many offensive weapons (players) for Green to choose from.

chief31
12-15-2009, 09:34 AM
Dante Hall was often used as a WR also during Trent's years with the Chiefs. In fact, it was often noted by analysts that the Chiefs had many offensive weapons (players) for Green to choose from.

Dante Hall (http://www.nfl.com/players/dantehall/profile?id=HAL247893) was not used as a WR in 2001. Zero receptions.

Snoop Minnis (http://www.nfl.com/players/snoopminnis/profile?id=MIN452463) had 33 catches, for 511 yards.

Sylvester Morris (http://www.nfl.com/players/sylvestermorris/profile?id=MOR538162) had zero receptions.

Johnnie Morton (http://www.nfl.com/players/johnniemorton/profile?id=MOR800887) played for The Lions. (77 catches, 1154 yards)

Larry Parker (http://www.nfl.com/players/larryparker/profile?id=PAR354961) had 15 catches for 199 yards.

Derrick Alexander (http://www.nfl.com/players/derrickalexander/profile?id=ALE225855) had 27 ctaches for 470 yards.

Eddie Kennison (http://www.nfl.com/players/eddiekennison/profile?id=KEN711183) played in five games for The Chiefs, and had 16 catches for 322 yards.

Tony Gonzalez (http://www.nfl.com/players/tonygonzalez/profile?id=GON587645) had 73 catches for 917 yards.

Mikhael Ricks (http://www.nfl.com/players/mikhaelricks/profile?id=RIC823412) had 18 catches for 252 yards.

Chris Thomas (http://www.nfl.com/players/christhomas/profile?id=THO086500) had 19 catches for 247 yards.

Jason Dunn (http://www.nfl.com/players/jasondunn/profile?id=DUN557353) had 4 catches for 54 yards.

That means the active receiving corp (RBs not included) boiled down to this...

Tony Gonzalez (http://www.nfl.com/players/tonygonzalez/profile?id=GON587645) 73 - 917 (16 games )
Eddie Kennison (http://www.nfl.com/players/eddiekennison/profile?id=KEN711183) 16 - 322 (5 games)
Derrick Alexander (http://www.nfl.com/players/derrickalexander/profile?id=ALE225855) 27 - 470 (13 games)
Larry Parker (http://www.nfl.com/players/larryparker/profile?id=PAR354961) 15 - 199 (12 games)
Snoop Minnis (http://www.nfl.com/players/snoopminnis/profile?id=MIN452463) 33 - 511 (13 games)
Mikhael Ricks (http://www.nfl.com/players/mikhaelricks/profile?id=RIC823412) 18 - 252 yards (16 games)
Chris Thomas (http://www.nfl.com/players/christhomas/profile?id=THO086500) 19 - 247 yards (10 games)
Jason Dunn (http://www.nfl.com/players/jasondunn/profile?id=DUN557353) 4 - 54 yards (15 games)

And to compare...

Lance Long (http://www.nfl.com/players/lancelong/profile?id=LON398452) 20 - 178 (7 games)
Sean Ryan (http://www.nfl.com/players/seanryan/profile?id=RYA746873) 14 - 135 (10 games)
Bobby Engram (http://www.nfl.com/players/bobbyengram/profile?id=ENG735656) 5 - 62 (5 games)
Brad Cottam (http://www.nfl.com/players/bradcottam/profile?id=COT199521) 5 - 58 (7 games)
Leonard Pope (http://www.nfl.com/players/leonardpope/profile?id=POP463366) 15 - 115 (10 games)
Mark Bradley (http://www.nfl.com/players/markbradley/profile?id=BRA220941) 21 - 268 (12 games)
Bobby Wade (http://www.nfl.com/players/bobbywade/profile?id=WAD319482) 33 - 333 (10 games)
Chris Chambers (http://www.nfl.com/players/chrischambers/profile?id=CHA109171) 23 - 380 (6 games)
Dwayne Bowe (http://www.nfl.com/players/dwaynebowe/profile?id=BOW091822) 22 - 466 (8 games)
Quinten Lawrence (http://www.nfl.com/players/quintenlawrence/profile?id=LAW489790) 1 - 9 (4 games)
Terrance Copper (http://www.nfl.com/players/terrancecopper/profile?id=COP760272) 2 - 11 (12 games)

Totals...

2001 ... 205 - 2972
2009 ... 161 - 2015 Averaged to 16 games...
2009 ... 198 - 2480

The stats seem to suggest that the 2001 corp did better than this season's corp has done, so far.

But, as always, there are other factors that help to creat those statistics. Actual QB play, QB protection, and offensive scheme. And, of signifgant importance, RB receiving...

2001 ... 92 - 879
2009 ... 68 - 450 (Includes Larry Johnson (http://www.nfl.com/players/larryjohnson/profile?id=JOH399484)'s Chiefs stats) Averaged...
2009 ... 84 - 554

Now...

Make your own determination of which receiving crew was better. But I'll share my opinion, as well.

I'd say that Trent Green had several advantages, as having Tony Gonzalez, his best receiving RB (Holmes to Charles) for the whole season, an explosive offensive system, familiarity with the system, better protection and a coaching staff that was nurturing to a player who is learning.

But the situations are very similar in other ways.

Green had problems with his protection. Just not quite as bad as what we have now.

Green lacked WR talent. Probably more so than Cassel, right now.

Green held onto the ball too long, frequently. (Speculation, but widely agreed upon.)

We have seen what Green was able to do, once things improved around him. But we have also seen what Cassel was able to do in an improved set of circumstances. And both did some very good things.

What I think will be the eventual difference is Vermiel> Haley.

Vermiel has a history of creating very QB friendly offenses, and Haley has no history to really speak of.

So, yes. I do think Cassel CAN BE a great QB. But, due to the fact that I don't think he will be put in a great situation, I don't think he will be.

Now, all of those stats have to have a disclaimer added, as NFL.com did not include LJ's Chiefs stats on their team stats page. Kansas City Chiefs Stats (http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/statistics?season=2009&team=KC&seasonType)

So one has to believe that there is the possibility of the 2001 stats page Kansas City Chiefs Stats (http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/statistics?season=2001&team=KC&seasonType) also discluding someone.

But I also schecked several other sites for any missing information, and was unable to find anything other than the LJ omission.

figcrostic
12-15-2009, 12:36 PM
Dante Hall (http://www.nfl.com/players/dantehall/profile?id=HAL247893) was not used as a WR in 2001. Zero receptions.

Snoop Minnis (http://www.nfl.com/players/snoopminnis/profile?id=MIN452463) had 33 catches, for 511 yards.

Sylvester Morris (http://www.nfl.com/players/sylvestermorris/profile?id=MOR538162) had zero receptions.

Johnnie Morton (http://www.nfl.com/players/johnniemorton/profile?id=MOR800887) played for The Lions. (77 catches, 1154 yards)

Larry Parker (http://www.nfl.com/players/larryparker/profile?id=PAR354961) had 15 catches for 199 yards.

Derrick Alexander (http://www.nfl.com/players/derrickalexander/profile?id=ALE225855) had 27 ctaches for 470 yards.

Eddie Kennison (http://www.nfl.com/players/eddiekennison/profile?id=KEN711183) played in five games for The Chiefs, and had 16 catches for 322 yards.

Tony Gonzalez (http://www.nfl.com/players/tonygonzalez/profile?id=GON587645) had 73 catches for 917 yards.

Mikhael Ricks (http://www.nfl.com/players/mikhaelricks/profile?id=RIC823412) had 18 catches for 252 yards.

Chris Thomas (http://www.nfl.com/players/christhomas/profile?id=THO086500) had 19 catches for 247 yards.

Jason Dunn (http://www.nfl.com/players/jasondunn/profile?id=DUN557353) had 4 catches for 54 yards.

That means the active receiving corp (RBs not included) boiled down to this...

Tony Gonzalez (http://www.nfl.com/players/tonygonzalez/profile?id=GON587645) 73 - 917 (16 games )
Eddie Kennison (http://www.nfl.com/players/eddiekennison/profile?id=KEN711183) 16 - 322 (5 games)
Derrick Alexander (http://www.nfl.com/players/derrickalexander/profile?id=ALE225855) 27 - 470 (13 games)
Larry Parker (http://www.nfl.com/players/larryparker/profile?id=PAR354961) 15 - 199 (12 games)
Snoop Minnis (http://www.nfl.com/players/snoopminnis/profile?id=MIN452463) 33 - 511 (13 games)
Mikhael Ricks (http://www.nfl.com/players/mikhaelricks/profile?id=RIC823412) 18 - 252 yards (16 games)
Chris Thomas (http://www.nfl.com/players/christhomas/profile?id=THO086500) 19 - 247 yards (10 games)
Jason Dunn (http://www.nfl.com/players/jasondunn/profile?id=DUN557353) 4 - 54 yards (15 games)

And to compare...

Lance Long (http://www.nfl.com/players/lancelong/profile?id=LON398452) 20 - 178 (7 games)
Sean Ryan (http://www.nfl.com/players/seanryan/profile?id=RYA746873) 14 - 135 (10 games)
Bobby Engram (http://www.nfl.com/players/bobbyengram/profile?id=ENG735656) 5 - 62 (5 games)
Brad Cottam (http://www.nfl.com/players/bradcottam/profile?id=COT199521) 5 - 58 (7 games)
Leonard Pope (http://www.nfl.com/players/leonardpope/profile?id=POP463366) 15 - 115 (10 games)
Mark Bradley (http://www.nfl.com/players/markbradley/profile?id=BRA220941) 21 - 268 (12 games)
Bobby Wade (http://www.nfl.com/players/bobbywade/profile?id=WAD319482) 33 - 333 (10 games)
Chris Chambers (http://www.nfl.com/players/chrischambers/profile?id=CHA109171) 23 - 380 (6 games)
Dwayne Bowe (http://www.nfl.com/players/dwaynebowe/profile?id=BOW091822) 22 - 466 (8 games)
Quinten Lawrence (http://www.nfl.com/players/quintenlawrence/profile?id=LAW489790) 1 - 9 (4 games)
Terrance Copper (http://www.nfl.com/players/terrancecopper/profile?id=COP760272) 2 - 11 (12 games)

Totals...

2001 ... 205 - 2972
2009 ... 161 - 2015 Averaged to 16 games...
2009 ... 198 - 2480

The stats seem to suggest that the 2001 corp did better than this season's corp has done, so far.

But, as always, there are other factors that help to creat those statistics. Actual QB play, QB protection, and offensive scheme. And, of signifgant importance, RB receiving...

2001 ... 92 - 879
2009 ... 68 - 450 (Includes Larry Johnson (http://www.nfl.com/players/larryjohnson/profile?id=JOH399484)'s Chiefs stats) Averaged...
2009 ... 84 - 554

Now...

Make your own determination of which receiving crew was better. But I'll share my opinion, as well.

I'd say that Trent Green had several advantages, as having Tony Gonzalez, his best receiving RB (Holmes to Charles) for the whole season, an explosive offensive system, familiarity with the system, better protection and a coaching staff that was nurturing to a player who is learning.

But the situations are very similar in other ways.

Green had problems with his protection. Just not quite as bad as what we have now.

Green lacked WR talent. Probably more so than Cassel, right now.

Green held onto the ball too long, frequently. (Speculation, but widely agreed upon.)

We have seen what Green was able to do, once things improved around him. But we have also seen what Cassel was able to do in an improved set of circumstances. And both did some very good things.

What I think will be the eventual difference is Vermiel> Haley.

Vermiel has a history of creating very QB friendly offenses, and Haley has no history to really speak of.

So, yes. I do think Cassel CAN BE a great QB. But, due to the fact that I don't think he will be put in a great situation, I don't think he will be.

Now, all of those stats have to have a disclaimer added, as NFL.com did not include LJ's Chiefs stats on their team stats page. Kansas City Chiefs Stats (http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/statistics?season=2009&team=KC&seasonType)

So one has to believe that there is the possibility of the 2001 stats page Kansas City Chiefs Stats (http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/statistics?season=2001&team=KC&seasonType) also discluding someone.

But I also schecked several other sites for any missing information, and was unable to find anything other than the LJ omission.

Great stats! Like I said if you look at Green he did not have the weapons, that everyone is claiming he did and the line wasn't as good as it was with Roaf who did not get there until 2002. I still stand by that Cassel has better WR's then Cassel, other then TG who is great he had no-one until they picked up Kennison, Trent is a better QB, he threw a lot of interceptions his first year, but he wasn't a game manager like Cassel. Trent could bring a team back, when they were down a couple td's, right now I don't see that in Cassel. Who knows maybe he will be awesome next year, but right now I don't see it, I hope he turns out good because I don't think we will get rid of him any time soon, even though Haley thinks he's a "Dumb-A- QB".

marloweopatchiefs
12-15-2009, 02:21 PM
Great stats! Like I said if you look at Green he did not have the weapons, that everyone is claiming he did and the line wasn't as good as it was with Roaf who did not get there until 2002. I still stand by that Cassel has better WR's then Cassel, other then TG who is great he had no-one until they picked up Kennison, Trent is a better QB, he threw a lot of interceptions his first year, but he wasn't a game manager like Cassel. Trent could bring a team back, when they were down a couple td's, right now I don't see that in Cassel. Who knows maybe he will be awesome next year, but right now I don't see it, I hope he turns out good because I don't think we will get rid of him any time soon, even though Haley thinks he's a "Dumb-A- QB".

Apparently you didn't read it. He said the 2001 receiving corps were better then this years suggesting that Trent Green had better receiving corps.

Seek
12-15-2009, 02:21 PM
Great stats! Like I said if you look at Green he did not have the weapons, that everyone is claiming he did and the line wasn't as good as it was with Roaf who did not get there until 2002. I still stand by that Cassel has better WR's then Cassel, other then TG who is great he had no-one until they picked up Kennison, Trent is a better QB, he threw a lot of interceptions his first year, but he wasn't a game manager like Cassel. Trent could bring a team back, when they were down a couple td's, right now I don't see that in Cassel. Who knows maybe he will be awesome next year, but right now I don't see it, I hope he turns out good because I don't think we will get rid of him any time soon, even though Haley thinks he's a "Dumb-A- QB".

I strongly disagree. Tony G. alone is huge improvement over anything the Chiefs have this year.

In my opinion. Derrick Alexander washes out Dbowe. Hard to comprehend, but Bowe has really done nothing this year productive except kill drives by dropping passes and then complain of pass int.

Chris Chambers is the only wild card, which is washed by the addition of Eddie Kennison by one game.

I don't care what anyone thinks, but the only weak link on the offensive line for Trent Green was Marcus Spears at RT in which John Tait filled with the addtion of Roaf. Addd the fact that we had a pretty denent running game as the year went on and learned who Priest really was.

The biggest difference in comparing the two is the OC. Saunders was just learing to run an offense, as is Hailey. I liked what I saw from Hailey until he threw the WR screen, but the shifting and motion was Hailey looking for a match up. I think he is learning to work with what he has.

The only real difference between Trent and Matt is Trent was just coming off a Knee surgery and was constant scurtinized for throwing off his back foot. Many felt his injury was keeping him from stepping into a throw. His confidence in his injury was fixed with a year of healing.

I feel Matt may be the next David Carr or Joey Harrington... Promising QBs who were broken by lack of surrounding talent.

figcrostic
12-15-2009, 03:22 PM
Apparently you didn't read it. He said the 2001 receiving corps were better then this years suggesting that Trent Green had better receiving corps.

Apparently you didn't read this "Green lacked WR talent. Probably more so than Cassel, right now."

chief31
12-15-2009, 04:40 PM
Apparently you didn't read this "Green lacked WR talent. Probably more so than Cassel, right now."

Well, I really think that Trent Green had a much better environment that what Cassel has this season.

While Green did throw alot of Ints in '01, he also threw for nearly 4000 yards (3783), whereas Cassel is on pace to get fewer than 3000 yards (2758).

What that suggests to me, is that Green was encouraged to make his mistakes and learn from them. And Cassel is getting the Herm treatment of "just play it safe".

And while there are alot of ways to interpret those differences, the reason that I believe the way I do about them is beacsue of the coaching personalities.

Obviously, Dick Vermiel was a very friendly HC, and seemed to be eager to forgive a player for his mistakes. And Haley has shown no remorse toward a player's struggles.

And, seein' as how I know what kind of results Vermiel was able to get with his approach, I think that that is a far better atmosphere for a new QB to grow in.

Almost everything grows better when given the "freedom" to do things their own way, than they do under a heavy-handed dictatorship.

figcrostic
12-15-2009, 06:03 PM
Well, I really think that Trent Green had a much better environment that what Cassel has this season.

While Green did throw alot of Ints in '01, he also threw for nearly 4000 yards (3783), whereas Cassel is on pace to get fewer than 3000 yards (2758).

What that suggests to me, is that Green was encouraged to make his mistakes and learn from them. And Cassel is getting the Herm treatment of "just play it safe".

And while there are alot of ways to interpret those differences, the reason that I believe the way I do about them is beacsue of the coaching personalities.

Obviously, Dick Vermiel was a very friendly HC, and seemed to be eager to forgive a player for his mistakes. And Haley has shown no remorse toward a player's struggles.

And, seein' as how I know what kind of results Vermiel was able to get with his approach, I think that that is a far better atmosphere for a new QB to grow in.

Almost everything grows better when given the "freedom" to do things their own way, than they do under a heavy-handed dictatorship.

Matt Cassel didn't have as many yards as Trent even when he was in new England. Also Trent was coming off an injury, and the 2001 season we ended it 6-10. The only reason we ended it that good is that we won 3 out of the last 4 weeks of the season. At this point in the season we were 3-10 just like we are now, which says to me our team was not that good. The next year we got more talent, Trent healed up and we became awesome.

marloweopatchiefs
12-15-2009, 08:44 PM
Matt Cassel didn't have as many yards as Trent even when he was in new England. Also Trent was coming off an injury, and the 2001 season we ended it 6-10. The only reason we ended it that good is that we won 3 out of the last 4 weeks of the season. At this point in the season we were 3-10 just like we are now, which says to me our team was not that good. The next year we got more talent, Trent healed up and we became awesome.



Omg dude you need to get glasses he was saying the stats show that trent green had a better recieving corps dude do not try proving me wrong because U will not win this. Here is what that guy said there dude put your glasses on. He was just stating his opinion but i'm going by stats unlike you.


"The stats seem to suggest that the 2001 corp did better than this season's corp has done, so far."



But, as always, there are other factors that help to creat those statistics. Actual QB play, QB protection, and offensive scheme. And, of signifgant importance, RB receiving...

chief31
12-16-2009, 03:23 PM
Omg dude you need to get glasses he was saying the stats show that trent green had a better recieving corps dude do not try proving me wrong because U will not win this. Here is what that guy said there dude put your glasses on. He was just stating his opinion but i'm going by stats unlike you.


"The stats seem to suggest that the 2001 corp did better than this season's corp has done, so far."



But, as always, there are other factors that help to creat those statistics. Actual QB play, QB protection, and offensive scheme. And, of signifgant importance, RB receiving...

Looking at only the WR position, I'd say the current bunch are better.

But if you go ahead and include all pass receivers, (HB, FB and TE) then I think Trent had the better bunch.








Matt Cassel didn't have as many yards as Trent even when he was in new England. Also Trent was coming off an injury, and the 2001 season we ended it 6-10. The only reason we ended it that good is that we won 3 out of the last 4 weeks of the season. At this point in the season we were 3-10 just like we are now, which says to me our team was not that good. The next year we got more talent, Trent healed up and we became awesome.

Matt Cassel (http://www.nfl.com/players/mattcassel/profile?id=CAS541133) Had 3693 yards last season.
Trent Green (http://www.nfl.com/players/trentgreen/profile?id=GRE367521) had 3690 yards in 2002.

2002 being the year that you stated that we became awesome.

Also, prior to the 2002 season, Green had started 35 games. Whereas, prior to last season, Cassel had never started one NFL game.