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Pro_Angler
01-04-2010, 11:20 AM
The first 20 spots are locked in, but the remaining slots can still change depending on the playoff results. Team record and strength of schedule (SOS) are in parentheses.


1) St. Louis (1-15, .520)
2) Detroit (2-14, .523)
3) Tampa Bay (3-13, .555)
4) Washington (4-12, .492)
5) Kansas City (4-12, .516)
6) Seattle (5-11, .477)
7) Cleveland (5-11, .512)
8) Oakland (5-11, .527)
9) Buffalo (6-10, .516)
10-11) Chicago (7-9, .496)
10-11) Jacksonville (7-9, .496)
12) Miami (7-9, .559)
13) San Francisco (8-8, .477)
14) Denver (8-8, .527)
15) NY Giants (8-8, .535)
16-17) Tennessee (8-8, .539)
16-17) Carolina (8-8, .539)
18) Pittsburgh (9-7, .488)
19-20) Atlanta (9-7, .504)
19-20) Houston (9-7, .504)


Subject to Change:
21) New York Jets (9-7, .516)
22) Baltimore (9-7, .523)
23) Arizona (10-6, .445)
24) Cincinnati (10-6, .492)
25) New England (10-6, .516)
26) Green Bay (11-5, .441)
27) Philadelphia (11-5, .484)
28) Dallas (11-5, .488)
29) Minnesota (12-4, .441)
30) San Diego (13-3, .453)
31) New Orleans (13-3, .426) [Super Bowl Loser]
32) Indianapolis (14-2, .473) [Super Bowl Winner]


The three ties will be decided by coin flip prior to the draft because all three involve teams from two different conferences.


Tiebreaking Procedures


The draft tiebreakers are as follows:

1) Super Bowl Winner picks 32nd

2) Super Bowl Loser picks 31st

3) Teams are ranked in inverse order of their record. Ties count as a half win and half loss.

4) A playoff team always picks after a non-playoff team with the same regular season record. If two playoff teams have the same regular season record, but one was eliminated in an earlier round, that team picks first.

5) Ties are then broken using strength of schedule (average of all 16 opponent's winning percentage, divisionmates count twice since they were played twice. Or count the wins of all opponents, same result). Weaker schedule picks earlier.

6) If SOS fails to break the tie, and the teams are in the same division, apply the division playoff tiebreakers (except the "loser" picks higher).

7) If SOS fails to break the tie, the teams are not in the same division, but the teams are in the same conference, apply the conference playoff tiebreakers (except the "loser" picks higher).

8) If the teams are still tied, or are in different conferences, a coin toss decides the order. If three teams are tied such that the tie can be broken as to two teams, but not between any of those two and a third team, the "loser" of the two-team tie flips against the other team first. A scenario where all three teams are stone tied is nearly impossible since there are only two conferences and intraconference tiebreakers go very deep before a coin flip.


2009 NFL Strength of Schedule After Regular Season

1) Miami (.559)
2) Tampa Bay (.555)
3) Carolina (.539)
3) Tennessee (.539)
5) NY Giants (.535)
6) Denver (.527)
6) Oakland (.527)
8) Baltimore (.523)
8) Detroit (.523)
10) St. Louis (.520)
11) NY Jets (.516)
11) Kansas City (.516)
11) Buffalo (.516)
11) New England (.516)
15) Cleveland (.512)
16) Houston (.504)
16) Atlanta (.504)
18) Chicago (.496)
18) Jacksonville (.496)
20) Cincinnati (.492)
20) Washington (.492)

22) Dallas (.488)
22) Pittsburgh (.488)
24) Philadelphia (.484)
25) San Francisco (.477)
25) Seattle (.477)
27) Indianapolis (.473)
28) San Diego (.453)
29) Arizona (.445)
30) Green Bay (.441)
30) Minnesota (.441)
32) New Orleans (.426)

We had a higher SOS then WAshington so why are they rafting 4th and not us?>> Feel free to copy and paste and add your mock draft to this..

yashi
01-04-2010, 11:23 AM
Because we had the same record and played better teams, so in theory we are a better team than they are and should draft lower.

Canada
01-04-2010, 11:30 AM
We had a higher SOS then WAshington so why are they rafting 4th and not us?

Probably because we beat them.

Pro_Angler
01-04-2010, 11:45 AM
Looks like Suh, Berry, and Otung will be gone, maybe just maybe either Otung ot Berry will still be there but doubtfull.

slimdagreat
01-04-2010, 11:53 AM
St Louis will take a QB. They've had terrible luck drafting Nebraska players in the past (Lawrence Phillips, Eric Crouch, karriker) so I doubt they take Suh.

Detroit is a mystery. They could and should take Okung, but they'll probably take Eric Berry or Suh.

Tampa will most likely take Suh if he's available, or McCoy, since as somebody pointed out in a different thread, their DTs are terrible.

Washington's pick will depend on if they can resign Campbell or not. I don't see there being a huge market for him, but if they don't resign him then they'll go QB, if they do, they'll snatch Okung from under neath us.

Argo
01-04-2010, 12:13 PM
Okung will be gone for sure , but we still have a shot at Berry or Bruce Campbell who is very competent. Worst case scenario we take Rolando Mclain who I think is the best ILB in the draft.

slimdagreat
01-04-2010, 12:15 PM
Okung will be gone for sure , but we still have a shot at Berry or Bruce Campbell who is very competent. Worst case scenario we take Rolando Mclain who I think is the best ILB in the draft.

I still think Spikes is better than Mclain, but either would be an massive upgrade for us.

More and more its looking like it'll either be Berry or Campbell. I think its a safe bet Okung will be gone.

kellys11
01-04-2010, 05:29 PM
So if we would have lost yesterday we would have got Suh or Berry (probably Berry) as we would have had the #3 pick.

We can't even lose properly!!!!

At least we'll get a good OL

yashi
01-04-2010, 05:34 PM
So if we would have lost yesterday we would have got Suh or Berry (probably Berry) as we would have had the #3 pick.

We can't even lose properly!!!!

At least we'll get a good OL

Losing breeds losing, no matter what players you draft.

kellys11
01-04-2010, 05:49 PM
Losing breeds losing, no matter what players you draft.

True that....but you are already in the midst of breeding a losing atmosphere, losing 3 games instead of 4 would not have mattered.

Now I'm not saying that they should have thrown the game, but it would have been really nice to get Suh or Berry. I think there is a big drop off afte those 2 guys and I expect St.Louis to take a QB.:beer:

yashi
01-04-2010, 05:59 PM
True that....but you are already in the midst of breeding a losing atmosphere, losing 3 games instead of 4 would not have mattered.

Now I'm not saying that they should have thrown the game, but it would have been really nice to get Suh or Berry. I think there is a big drop off afte those 2 guys and I expect St.Louis to take a QB.:beer:

I like those guys too, but I wouldn't trade the opportunity for every player on the team to experience a great win and gain a lot of confidence going into the offseason just for a chance to get them. It's just 1 player on a team of 22 starters, plus all of the coaches and scheming. I still think Berry is a possibility. It would just require both StL and Washington to go QB.

Basically, I like the fact that we're undefeated this decade a lot more than a likelier shot at Suh/Berry.

70 chiefsfan70
01-04-2010, 08:10 PM
Its never a good idea to loose, it teaches the players to not give their all and is very habit forming.

Also now the team and fans know we can beat the donkeys in their house! :D

josh1971
01-04-2010, 08:23 PM
I also like the idea of trading out of the #5 spot and getting a couple more picks for it.

jap1
01-04-2010, 09:36 PM
The first 20 spots are locked in, but the remaining slots can still change depending on the playoff results. Team record and strength of schedule (SOS) are in parentheses.


1) St. Louis (1-15, .520)
2) Detroit (2-14, .523)
3) Tampa Bay (3-13, .555)
4) Washington (4-12, .492)
5) Kansas City (4-12, .516)
6) Seattle (5-11, .477)
7) Cleveland (5-11, .512)
8) Oakland (5-11, .527)
9) Buffalo (6-10, .516)
10-11) Chicago (7-9, .496)
10-11) Jacksonville (7-9, .496)
12) Miami (7-9, .559)
13) San Francisco (8-8, .477)
14) Denver (8-8, .527)
15) NY Giants (8-8, .535)
16-17) Tennessee (8-8, .539)
16-17) Carolina (8-8, .539)
18) Pittsburgh (9-7, .488)
19-20) Atlanta (9-7, .504)
19-20) Houston (9-7, .504)


Subject to Change:
21) New York Jets (9-7, .516)
22) Baltimore (9-7, .523)
23) Arizona (10-6, .445)
24) Cincinnati (10-6, .492)
25) New England (10-6, .516)
26) Green Bay (11-5, .441)
27) Philadelphia (11-5, .484)
28) Dallas (11-5, .488)
29) Minnesota (12-4, .441)
30) San Diego (13-3, .453)
31) New Orleans (13-3, .426) [Super Bowl Loser]
32) Indianapolis (14-2, .473) [Super Bowl Winner]


The three ties will be decided by coin flip prior to the draft because all three involve teams from two different conferences.


Tiebreaking Procedures


The draft tiebreakers are as follows:

1) Super Bowl Winner picks 32nd

2) Super Bowl Loser picks 31st

3) Teams are ranked in inverse order of their record. Ties count as a half win and half loss.

4) A playoff team always picks after a non-playoff team with the same regular season record. If two playoff teams have the same regular season record, but one was eliminated in an earlier round, that team picks first.

5) Ties are then broken using strength of schedule (average of all 16 opponent's winning percentage, divisionmates count twice since they were played twice. Or count the wins of all opponents, same result). Weaker schedule picks earlier.

6) If SOS fails to break the tie, and the teams are in the same division, apply the division playoff tiebreakers (except the "loser" picks higher).

7) If SOS fails to break the tie, the teams are not in the same division, but the teams are in the same conference, apply the conference playoff tiebreakers (except the "loser" picks higher).

8) If the teams are still tied, or are in different conferences, a coin toss decides the order. If three teams are tied such that the tie can be broken as to two teams, but not between any of those two and a third team, the "loser" of the two-team tie flips against the other team first. A scenario where all three teams are stone tied is nearly impossible since there are only two conferences and intraconference tiebreakers go very deep before a coin flip.


2009 NFL Strength of Schedule After Regular Season

1) Miami (.559)
2) Tampa Bay (.555)
3) Carolina (.539)
3) Tennessee (.539)
5) NY Giants (.535)
6) Denver (.527)
6) Oakland (.527)
8) Baltimore (.523)
8) Detroit (.523)
10) St. Louis (.520)
11) NY Jets (.516)
11) Kansas City (.516)
11) Buffalo (.516)
11) New England (.516)
15) Cleveland (.512)
16) Houston (.504)
16) Atlanta (.504)
18) Chicago (.496)
18) Jacksonville (.496)
20) Cincinnati (.492)
20) Washington (.492)

22) Dallas (.488)
22) Pittsburgh (.488)
24) Philadelphia (.484)
25) San Francisco (.477)
25) Seattle (.477)
27) Indianapolis (.473)
28) San Diego (.453)
29) Arizona (.445)
30) Green Bay (.441)
30) Minnesota (.441)
32) New Orleans (.426)

We had a higher SOS then WAshington so why are they rafting 4th and not us?>> Feel free to copy and paste and add your mock draft to this..

Look at the tiebreaker procedures. Read #5 for the answer to your question.

jap1
01-04-2010, 09:38 PM
I also like the idea of trading out of the #5 spot and getting a couple more picks for it.

I would love to do that. Drop back to mid 1st round and pick up another 2nd round pick. Hopefully some team wants a player bad enough to trade with us that they think seattle, cleveland, or oakland wants. Maybe they will really want one of the QBs that are out there.

OPLookn
01-04-2010, 10:18 PM
Can people please stop talking like we're going to draft Suh? We will have a 2nd year and a 3rd year DE's next season...why on earth would we draft yet another DE? If anything we'll get an experienced DE in the off season to show Jackson and Dorsey what it takes to be good. Not only that but it is my understanding that Suh is a proto-typical 4-3 DE and wouldn't be great as a OLB...could be wrong but that's my understanding.

Would LOVE to see Okung here but I'm always in favor of trading down to someone who wants get a QB for sure.

AussieChiefsFan
01-04-2010, 10:26 PM
Because we had the same record and played better teams, so in theory we are a better team than they are and should draft lower.

Thats what i was thinking throughout the season. We DID have a tough schedule

pbatrucker
01-04-2010, 11:05 PM
Let's not forget that the 49ers need a QB and they have 2 firsts. Trading down is a remote possibilty.

Coach
01-04-2010, 11:24 PM
The first 20 spots are locked in, but the remaining slots can still change depending on the playoff results. Team record and strength of schedule (SOS) are in parentheses.


1) St. Louis (1-15, .520)
2) Detroit (2-14, .523)
3) Tampa Bay (3-13, .555)
4) Washington (4-12, .492)
5) Kansas City (4-12, .516)
6) Seattle (5-11, .477)
7) Cleveland (5-11, .512)
8) Oakland (5-11, .527)
9) Buffalo (6-10, .516)
10-11) Chicago (7-9, .496)
10-11) Jacksonville (7-9, .496)
12) Miami (7-9, .559)
13) San Francisco (8-8, .477)
14) Denver (8-8, .527)
15) NY Giants (8-8, .535)
16-17) Tennessee (8-8, .539)
16-17) Carolina (8-8, .539)
18) Pittsburgh (9-7, .488)
19-20) Atlanta (9-7, .504)
19-20) Houston (9-7, .504)


Subject to Change:
21) New York Jets (9-7, .516)
22) Baltimore (9-7, .523)
23) Arizona (10-6, .445)
24) Cincinnati (10-6, .492)
25) New England (10-6, .516)
26) Green Bay (11-5, .441)
27) Philadelphia (11-5, .484)
28) Dallas (11-5, .488)
29) Minnesota (12-4, .441)
30) San Diego (13-3, .453)
31) New Orleans (13-3, .426) [Super Bowl Loser]
32) Indianapolis (14-2, .473) [Super Bowl Winner]


The three ties will be decided by coin flip prior to the draft because all three involve teams from two different conferences.


Tiebreaking Procedures


The draft tiebreakers are as follows:

1) Super Bowl Winner picks 32nd

2) Super Bowl Loser picks 31st

3) Teams are ranked in inverse order of their record. Ties count as a half win and half loss.

4) A playoff team always picks after a non-playoff team with the same regular season record. If two playoff teams have the same regular season record, but one was eliminated in an earlier round, that team picks first.

5) Ties are then broken using strength of schedule (average of all 16 opponent's winning percentage, divisionmates count twice since they were played twice. Or count the wins of all opponents, same result). Weaker schedule picks earlier.

6) If SOS fails to break the tie, and the teams are in the same division, apply the division playoff tiebreakers (except the "loser" picks higher).

7) If SOS fails to break the tie, the teams are not in the same division, but the teams are in the same conference, apply the conference playoff tiebreakers (except the "loser" picks higher).

8) If the teams are still tied, or are in different conferences, a coin toss decides the order. If three teams are tied such that the tie can be broken as to two teams, but not between any of those two and a third team, the "loser" of the two-team tie flips against the other team first. A scenario where all three teams are stone tied is nearly impossible since there are only two conferences and intraconference tiebreakers go very deep before a coin flip.


2009 NFL Strength of Schedule After Regular Season

1) Miami (.559)
2) Tampa Bay (.555)
3) Carolina (.539)
3) Tennessee (.539)
5) NY Giants (.535)
6) Denver (.527)
6) Oakland (.527)
8) Baltimore (.523)
8) Detroit (.523)
10) St. Louis (.520)
11) NY Jets (.516)
11) Kansas City (.516)
11) Buffalo (.516)
11) New England (.516)
15) Cleveland (.512)
16) Houston (.504)
16) Atlanta (.504)
18) Chicago (.496)
18) Jacksonville (.496)
20) Cincinnati (.492)
20) Washington (.492)

22) Dallas (.488)
22) Pittsburgh (.488)
24) Philadelphia (.484)
25) San Francisco (.477)
25) Seattle (.477)
27) Indianapolis (.473)
28) San Diego (.453)
29) Arizona (.445)
30) Green Bay (.441)
30) Minnesota (.441)
32) New Orleans (.426)

We had a higher SOS then WAshington so why are they rafting 4th and not us?>> Feel free to copy and paste and add your mock draft to this..

What I find interesting is that only two teams in the NFL had a tougher schedule than the Chiefs and still made the playoffs. And both of those teams(Jets and Ravens) were week 17 wildcards.

Meanwhile, the 6 teams with the easiest schedule, all made the playoffs. I understand that there is a chicken and egg effect going on, but it seems like the schedule is at least partially to blame for the Chiefs record.


Regarding next year's draft. Here is my initial mock draft projection that will only change about 6000 times.
1. STL - QB. I think it's likely that the Bulger era is over. He has a $8.5mm salary heading into the 2010 season. He's as good as gone. Spagnola will want to bring in his own QB. They got the LT last year(Jason Smith), Two DE's in the two prior drafts(Adam Carriker and Chris Long). It's time to go get a QB to compliment Steven Jackson.
Pick: Casey Clausen, Notre Dame

2. DET - DT. The Lions finished the season 25th in the league at defending the rush, and 32nd(last) defending the pass. They need a Big DT. Anyone know of any? In fact during the entire decade where the Lions consistently drafted toward the top of the draft, they only picked one 1st round defensive player. Ernie Sims, who is without question the best defensive player on this team. Stafford, Pettigrew, Johnson, etc. They have to go defense with this pick. The only other option would be LT, but according to the local papers they are content with Backus at LT.
Pick: Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska

3. TAMPA - DT. Not completely sure about this pick, but the Bucs D did finish dead last against the RUN. They wanted Suh, but he's likely gone, so they take the next best DT on the board. They already moved up last year to get their QBOTF. They have a talented OL. They spent money at RB last year. They need help on defense in a big way, but will be looking to trade out of this spot and it could have some value with Washington likely picking a QB next.
Pick: Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma

4. WASH - QB. The skins will have a new Coach in town who will be looking to build this franchise. If it's a coach like Shanahan that will have time to build, then I expect them to take a QB. If it's a less tenured coach, they may look at making due with Jason Campbell. I think it's very doubtful that Jason Campbell is the QBOTF, the better question is if he'll be the QBNY.
Pick: Sam Bradford, Oklahoma

5. KC - OT. The Chiefs still have an anemic pass rush and could look to take a NT, LB, or even a Safety at this spot. But Brian Waters isn't getting any younger and the Chiefs need help everywhere on the OL. The Chiefs backed the money truck up to Matt Cassel's doorstep so look for them to protect their investment. If they could land a starting LT, they could move Branden Albert to RG, RT, or even LG. I think the Chiefs would also entertain the idea of trading down, but I'm going to assume nobody wants to trade into the Top 5 until we have a rookie salary cap.
Pick: Russell Okung, Oklahoma State
6. SEA -S, QB or LT. Hopefully Seattle hints at taking a QB with their pick so that the Chiefs pick becomes worth more to someone looking to grab a QBOTF. The Seahawks are a complete wildcard. QB, RB, OL, S? Since they can get a LT with their 14th pick(Via the Donks), I think they will take the best player on the board.
Pick: Eric Berry, Tennessee

Bike
01-05-2010, 09:30 AM
What I find interesting is that only two teams in the NFL had a tougher schedule than the Chiefs and still made the playoffs. And both of those teams(Jets and Ravens) were week 17 wildcards.

Meanwhile, the 6 teams with the easiest schedule, all made the playoffs. I understand that there is a chicken and egg effect going on, but it seems like the schedule is at least partially to blame for the Chiefs record.


Regarding next year's draft. Here is my initial mock draft projection that will only change about 6000 times.
1. STL - QB. I think it's likely that the Bulger era is over. He has a $8.5mm salary heading into the 2010 season. He's as good as gone. Spagnola will want to bring in his own QB. They got the LT last year(Jason Smith), Two DE's in the two prior drafts(Adam Carriker and Chris Long). It's time to go get a QB to compliment Steven Jackson.
Pick: Casey Clausen, Notre Dame

2. DET - DT. The Lions finished the season 25th in the league at defending the rush, and 32nd(last) defending the pass. They need a Big DT. Anyone know of any? In fact during the entire decade where the Lions consistently drafted toward the top of the draft, they only picked one 1st round defensive player. Ernie Sims, who is without question the best defensive player on this team. Stafford, Pettigrew, Johnson, etc. They have to go defense with this pick. The only other option would be LT, but according to the local papers they are content with Backus at LT.
Pick: Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska

3. TAMPA - DT. Not completely sure about this pick, but the Bucs D did finish dead last against the RUN. They wanted Suh, but he's likely gone, so they take the next best DT on the board. They already moved up last year to get their QBOTF. They have a talented OL. They spent money at RB last year. They need help on defense in a big way, but will be looking to trade out of this spot and it could have some value with Washington likely picking a QB next.
Pick: Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma

4. WASH - QB. The skins will have a new Coach in town who will be looking to build this franchise. If it's a coach like Shanahan that will have time to build, then I expect them to take a QB. If it's a less tenured coach, they may look at making due with Jason Campbell. I think it's very doubtful that Jason Campbell is the QBOTF, the better question is if he'll be the QBNY.
Pick: Sam Bradford, Oklahoma

5. KC - OT. The Chiefs still have an anemic pass rush and could look to take a NT, LB, or even a Safety at this spot. But Brian Waters isn't getting any younger and the Chiefs need help everywhere on the OL. The Chiefs backed the money truck up to Matt Cassel's doorstep so look for them to protect their investment. If they could land a starting LT, they could move Branden Albert to RG, RT, or even LG. I think the Chiefs would also entertain the idea of trading down, but I'm going to assume nobody wants to trade into the Top 5 until we have a rookie salary cap.
Pick: Russell Okung, Oklahoma State
6. SEA -S, QB or LT. Hopefully Seattle hints at taking a QB with their pick so that the Chiefs pick becomes worth more to someone looking to grab a QBOTF. The Seahawks are a complete wildcard. QB, RB, OL, S? Since they can get a LT with their 14th pick(Via the Donks), I think they will take the best player on the board.
Pick: Eric Berry, Tennessee
Nice post. i just gotta wonder if Pioli values offensive linemen this high in the draft. I know we are in desparate need, but I think Pioli gets his o-linemen later in the draft or thru f/a. We need a safety bad. I think we grab Berry.

Ryfo18
01-05-2010, 10:19 AM
5. KC - OT. The Chiefs still have an anemic pass rush and could look to take a NT, LB, or even a Safety at this spot. But Brian Waters isn't getting any younger and the Chiefs need help everywhere on the OL. The Chiefs backed the money truck up to Matt Cassel's doorstep so look for them to protect their investment. If they could land a starting LT, they could move Branden Albert to RG, RT, or even LG. I think the Chiefs would also entertain the idea of trading down, but I'm going to assume nobody wants to trade into the Top 5 until we have a rookie salary cap.
Pick: Russell Okung, Oklahoma State


Do you really think Albert could move to Guard? He's already getting whipped by DE's at tackle, I don't see him being able to play with bigger DT's.

I would rather see Berry taken here if he's available. The last 6 games KC only gave up 8 sacks (37 in the first 10) and Jamaal ran wild. I think there are bigger holes in the D.

yashi
01-05-2010, 10:24 AM
Do you really think Albert could move to Guard? He's already getting whipped by DE's at tackle, I don't see him being able to play with bigger DT's.

I would rather see Berry taken here if he's available. The last 6 games KC only gave up 8 sacks (37 in the first 10) and Jamaal ran wild. I think there are bigger holes in the D.

Mel Kiper projected Albert to be a Pro Bowl caliber OG coming out of college, so I don't think the transition would be a problem for him. The Broncos used 290 lb OGs for years and had one of the best lines in the league.

Albert and the rest of the line really improved in the 2nd half of the season though. The entire line only gave up 8 sacks in the last 6 games, compared to 37 in the first 10. So it will be interesting to see what they decide to do with Albert. Waters is certainly not getting any younger of course, so at least 1 OG should be drafted.

With the improvement in the line in the 2nd half of the season, I'd prefer Berry, but certainly wouldn't have any issue with Okung either.

pbatrucker
01-05-2010, 10:41 AM
Looks like Shanahan is the new coach in Washington. He likes strong armed QB's and that leaves Bradford out. He could possible take Okung in the first and pick up some one like PIke later in the draft.
Another name being thrown to us in the first is Haden, CB, FL. he's the top CB in the draft. Sub 4.4 speed and a super athletic.
If Cody shows up at the Combine and has lost a few pounds and in shape look for his stock to rise.

KottkeKU
01-05-2010, 01:27 PM
If we cant get Berry or Okung, i say we should try to make a trade and pick up some more picks. Otherwise go with BRUCE CAMPBELL, OT....

passing on Berry would be a mistake though!

Canada
01-05-2010, 01:41 PM
If we cant get Berry or Okung, i say we should try to make a trade and pick up some more picks. Otherwise go with BRUCE CAMPBELL, OT....

passing on Berry would be a mistake though!

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2010/01/5.jpg

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2010/01/6.jpg

hometeam
01-05-2010, 01:48 PM
coach as far as SOS goes, just look at the list, most of those teams on the top lost a ton of games.

What this means is that they influenced the SOS by LOSING so much, if you REALLY want to see what a schedule was like for a season, you would need to recalculate SOS and leave the team that it is being calculated for out of the percentage~

same thing goes with winning teams, they influence the SOS number of the teams they beat down~

Vandelay
01-05-2010, 02:30 PM
http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2010/01/5.jpg

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2010/01/6.jpg

No thanks Bruce, I would rather listen to Frank Sinatra and Do It My Way.

chief31
01-05-2010, 03:33 PM
The SOS thing is always gonna look like that, with the high SOS scores being the teams that lost alot, and the low SOS scores being the teams won alot.

There is always some variation involved. But that trend is always there, because the losing teams have to play the top three in their division twice, while not getting to play the worst in the division (themselves) at all.

And most of the teams that they played have the advantage of gettinag a win, or two, against that team. Giving them a boost in record.

And, of course, vice-versa.

But it always interesting to look back and say, well, we did play a damn tough schedule. Which we definitely did.

Pro_Angler
01-06-2010, 12:55 AM
I believe that Berry and or Okung will be there at 5 yes I said it both may just be there. If so I am leaninbg towards Berry seeing how all year the middle of our defense got torched. Our o-line got much better the 2nd half of the season. yes, Charles running helped. Teams couldnt just pin thier ears back and ruch the passer every down like they did with LJ in there.

Mac Attack ICT
01-06-2010, 05:16 PM
If you can't get a elite S or ILB then you trade down if possible and pick up cheaper talent. If you go O Line then it should be a C.

Coach
01-07-2010, 02:26 AM
coach as far as SOS goes, just look at the list, most of those teams on the top lost a ton of games.

What this means is that they influenced the SOS by LOSING so much, if you REALLY want to see what a schedule was like for a season, you would need to recalculate SOS and leave the team that it is being calculated for out of the percentage~

same thing goes with winning teams, they influence the SOS number of the teams they beat down~


The SOS thing is always gonna look like that, with the high SOS scores being the teams that lost alot, and the low SOS scores being the teams won alot.

There is always some variation involved. But that trend is always there, because the losing teams have to play the top three in their division twice, while not getting to play the worst in the division (themselves) at all.

And most of the teams that they played have the advantage of gettinag a win, or two, against that team. Giving them a boost in record.

And, of course, vice-versa.

But it always interesting to look back and say, well, we did play a damn tough schedule. Which we definitely did.

Exactly why I referenced the Chicken and Egg effect in my post.