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hayden2004
01-09-2010, 11:13 PM
Adam_Schefter (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter)

It's pretty simple. In the coming uncapped year, teams that reach Final 8 cannot sign free agents unless they lose one.

texaschief
01-09-2010, 11:49 PM
Yeah, but an uncapped year means all these teams will have unlimited resources to sign all their good free agents. Unless a player REALLY doesn't want to return to his team, there won't be any IMPACT players to be had on the free agent market.

We should actually be hoping for an agreement between the two sides. If that were to occur, then the Chiefs WOULD have a distinct advantage compared to 95% of the league because they will have more cap space available to them than all but one or two other teams. Plus, the free agent market would be MUCH deeper than if there were an uncapped year.

Chiefster
01-09-2010, 11:53 PM
The key is to come to terms with a CBA.

hometeam
01-10-2010, 12:18 AM
Uncapped year = bad.

Chiefster
01-10-2010, 12:19 AM
Uncapped year = bad.

I tend to agree.

Connie Jo
01-10-2010, 03:34 AM
Honestly, I get somewhat confused related to caps, free agency, all that. When I think about caps & free agency, I tend to find myself reflecting upon the 'good ol days'...when it was just simply playing football, not as much about money...teams stayed together, players spent most of their careers with one team.

Oh yeah, and there weren't so many damn confusing rules, and refs didn't make as many bad calls! When the NFL didn't stand for 'No Fun League'!!

70 chiefsfan70
01-10-2010, 10:14 AM
I think no cap would really hurt the chiefs as they don't have the money the other afc west teams do, giving us a huge disadvantage in devision.

matthewschiefs
01-10-2010, 12:25 PM
I dont think it will matter one way or anther. Pioli is not one to bring in big name talent for the most part. So I dont think it will have a big affect on the Chiefs one way or anther.

Hayvern
01-10-2010, 07:33 PM
I dont think it will matter one way or anther. Pioli is not one to bring in big name talent for the most part. So I dont think it will have a big affect on the Chiefs one way or anther.

It also kills us down the road as well though. An Uncapped league means that when a player you drafted become a free agent, if he is good, then you will have to bid against every other team to get him. There is no matching of salaries and keeping the player.

Uncapped is not a good idea. We need an agreement to happen.

Bike
01-10-2010, 11:58 PM
Adam_Schefter (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter)

It's pretty simple. In the coming uncapped year, teams that reach Final 8 cannot sign free agents unless they lose one.

Lets hope for a uncap year this will help chiefs out

Did you realize that KC is a small market? Have you noticed what has happened to the Royals? Or did you just hear this from the same place you heard Charlie Weis was a no go?

jason1981
01-11-2010, 03:31 AM
i want a capped year and a rookie payscale

Coach
01-11-2010, 11:24 PM
The flip side of the coin is that many playrs who have bloated salaries will likely be cut because there won't be cap hit implications. Players like Brian Westbrook for example. He has played this last game in Philly. Many players in similar situations.

I would expect there to be a lot of big names being cut so that teams can get out from under bad contracts. This is one reason why the players want the CBA to get done, and is also one of many reasons the Team Owners opted out of the CBA.

Fansincebirth
01-12-2010, 01:31 AM
New CBA will be good for both sides and both sides want it. There will be alot of last min. consessions on both sides to get it done.
Players want it, not only will there be players getting kicked to the curb to get ride of upside down contracts, the vets. want it because it will include a rookie cap that will allow older players to make more.
Owners want it because of the same reason. They want the rookie cap and they want the salery cap to limit payroll payout each year. Other than a handfull of owners who just have more money to spend.
The fans should want it because it is part of what helps keep a level playing field and gives every team a chance to build a superbowl winner.

Chiefster
01-12-2010, 01:36 AM
Honestly, I get somewhat confused related to caps, free agency, all that. When I think about caps & free agency, I tend to find myself reflecting upon the 'good ol days'...when it was just simply playing football, not as much about money...teams stayed together, players spent most of their careers with one team.

Oh yeah, and there weren't so many damn confusing rules, and refs didn't make as many bad calls! When the NFL didn't stand for 'No Fun League'!!

I like this definition of the NFL acronym...

YouTube- Jerry Glanville (This is the NFL)

KristofLaw
01-14-2010, 10:30 AM
The flip side of the coin is that many playrs who have bloated salaries will likely be cut because there won't be cap hit implications. Players like Brian Westbrook for example. He has played this last game in Philly. Many players in similar situations.

I would expect there to be a lot of big names being cut so that teams can get out from under bad contracts. This is one reason why the players want the CBA to get done, and is also one of many reasons the Team Owners opted out of the CBA.

Great point Coach.

SAPHOJUNKIE
01-14-2010, 09:30 PM
The uncapped year also means that players who are scheduled to be unrestricted free agents, but haven't been in the league for six years, would become restricted free agents.

There are 212 players that would apply to, including Miles Austin and some other big-name guys.

Also, it would give teams a second transitional tag. The transitional tag means teams would have to offer the player the average of the top 10 salaries at his position or 120% of his previous year's salary, whichever is greater. They have a 7 day period to match any offer from another team. If they match the offer, they retain the player. If they do not match the offer, the player is let go and the team receives no compensation.

Now, this could either help or hurt us.

While it is true that the Chiefs aren't as wealthy as some other teams in the division, they are also in a FAR better place financially.

San Diego just signed Phillip Rivers to a large extension, and they have their left tackle, shawn merriman, luis castillo, darren sproles, malcolm floyd, and vincent jackson to re-sign.

The Raiders have yet another top ten pick, and have their two best linebackers, janikowski, and richard seymour to re-sign as well.

Denver has a lot of big players to re-sign as well. Elvis Dumervil would be an UFA if the CBA is agreed upon. If it goes to an uncapped year, he becomes a RFA instead. They also have to re-sign DJ williams and Kyle Orton.

The Chiefs have Brodie croyle, DJ, and Chris Chambers as the only free agents of note this year. DJ is in the same situation as Dumervil - he would go from being an unrestricted free agent to a restricted one if the CBA isn't fixed in time.

There are a lot of other rules about the CBA that affect the amortization of signing bonuses, the return of incentive money not earned, and other things that should only concern the front office guys and finance department.

for us jokers out here in spectator land, the only really important consequence is the availability of free agents, and their teams' abilities to match the Chiefs' offers.

Coach
01-14-2010, 09:40 PM
Yeah, but an uncapped year means all these teams will have unlimited resources to sign all their good free agents. Unless a player REALLY doesn't want to return to his team, there won't be any IMPACT players to be had on the free agent market.

We should actually be hoping for an agreement between the two sides. If that were to occur, then the Chiefs WOULD have a distinct advantage compared to 95% of the league because they will have more cap space available to them than all but one or two other teams. Plus, the free agent market would be MUCH deeper than if there were an uncapped year.


i want a capped year and a rookie payscale


On NFL radio today Pat Kirwin learned that they are working on a 2-yr extension of the CBA along with a Rookie Pay Scale that would go into effect immediately. It sounds like a long shot, but still encouraging. A Rookie Pay Scale would make our Top 5 pick MUCH more valuable.

SAPHOJUNKIE
01-14-2010, 09:43 PM
Adam_Schefter (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter)

It's pretty simple. In the coming uncapped year, teams that reach Final 8 cannot sign free agents unless they lose one.

It's not quite this simple.

The 4 teams to reach the Championship game cannot sign more free agents than are signed by other teams from them.

this applies to UNRESTRICTED free agents.

The remaining four teams from Round 2 has the same rule, but can also sign more free agents based on financial criteria, but I don't know what that is.

Assuming it is the Chargers, Saints, Vikings, and Colts, then you really aren't looking at teams who are about to make a splash in free agency anyway. Doesn't seem that exciting, does it? Besides the fact that the Chargers would be too busy trying to re-sign their own guys anyway.

the saints might need to re-sign roman harper and lance moore, but they aren't looking at a ton of losses from their roster.

SAPHOJUNKIE
01-14-2010, 09:48 PM
Basically, going uncapped would mean that tons of players from the 2006 and 2007 draft - guys who were taken in the second, third, and fourth rounds, would not become free agents. A lot of these guys are young linebackers, our perfect target for free agency this year.

Uncapped is bad for the Chiefs. it's good for teams who have drafted well. it is bad for the chiefs.