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texaschief
02-02-2010, 07:53 PM
My CHIEFS mock 3.0 (February 2nd)

First Round:
1. Rams- DT-Suh
2. Lions- OT-Okung
3. Bucs- S-Eric Berry
4. Redskins- QB-Bradford
5. CHIEFS- ILB- Rolando McClain (previous pick: SAME)

Second Round:
36. CHIEFS- NT-Terrance Cody (previous pick: TE- JERMAINE GRESHAM *won't be available)
50. CHIEFS (From Atlanta)-DE/OLB Brandon Graham (previous pick: OT KYLE CALLOWAY)

Third Round:
68. CHIEFS- WR-Jordan Shipley (previous pick: SAME)

Fourth Round-
99. CHIEFS- S-Myron Rolle (previous pick: SERGIO KINDLE *won't be available)

Fifth Round-
133. CHIEFS-RB-LaGarret Blount (previous pick: SAME)
139. CHIEFS (From Miami)-QB-Jevan Snead (previous pick: MYRON ROLLE *wont be available)
145. CHIEFS (From Carolina)OG- Eric Olsen (previous pick: SAME)

Sixth Round-
164. CHIEFS-OG-Brandon Carter (previous pick: SAME)

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1. Rolando McClain- ILB (Alabama)
It's obvious that the Chiefs at the VERY LEAST need one more ILB whether they keep Derrick Johnson or not. I'd like to see Johnson stay and team up with McClain in the middle. Linebackers were not a source of strength for the Chiefs this season and if Suh and Berry are off the board at #5, the best option available for the Chiefs would be McClain. I'm usually all for upgrading the Oline, but there just isn't that OT available at #5 that would be worth the pick. McClain is a better ILB prospect than Curry was last season and he's a born defensive leader... something this defense DESPERATELY needs. Vrabel may not even be back for next season and even if he is, he won't be here much longer. McClain is the best pick here assuming Suh or Berry do not fall.

2A. Terrance Cody- NT (Alabama) This pick is assuming we don't get Wilfork. I think the Patriots are the only other team who might pick Cody in the first round because he's not worth a high first round draft pick and the Patriots are the only team (who would be in need of a NT if they lose Wilfork) who would pick Cody before he falls to the Chiefs in the 2nd round. If things work out right, we'll have a chance at either Wilfork or Cody.

2B. Brandon Graham- OLB/DE (Michigan)
This should be the pick IF AND ONLY IF we've addressed the O-line during FA. Graham would be a nice piece on the end opposite Hali. Graham, Hali, McClain, and DJ (if he stays) would be an impressive LB corp.

3. Jordan Shipley- WR (Texas)
If he is available, this is ALSO a no-brain decision. A PERFECT slot receiver. Sure handed, fast, quick, reliable... everything you could possibly want from a slot receiver. If this is going to be New England 2.0, consider Shipley, Welker 2.0.

4. Myron Rolle- S (Florida St.)
Could fall. If he had gone into the draft in 2009, he could've been a 2nd round pick. However, he became the Rhodes Scholar and took the year off from football. By FAR the smartest guy in the draft. The Chiefs need help at the Safety position. He's strong, fast, and physical to go along with the smarts. If Pioli gets the feeling that Rolle will still be available in the 4th round, he may even pass on Berry if he's available at #5. The combo of McClain/Rolle would be superior to any combo of Berry/4th rd ILB (Unless Spikes is available... which he won't be). It was reported that the Chiefs had interest in him at the Senior Bowl. I think this shows the Chiefs either don't expect Berry to be available in the first or aren't going to take him at #5 overall.

5A. LaGarret Blount- RB (Oregon)
A fifth round gamble on a player who was projected to be a first round pick before character issues became relevant. The NFL has seemed to require a change of pace in the backfield. Currently, the Chiefs have the lightning... Blount would bring the Thunder. Another player the Chiefs had interest in at the Senior Bowl.

5B. Jevan Snead- QB (Ole Miss)
After a poor Junior season, Snead STILL declared for the draft. I think it was a poor decision for him, but a great decision for the Chiefs' chances at landing him. He went into 2009 as a contender to be the first QB taken in 2010. He played in a pro system in college and could be a GREAT sleeper pick for the Chiefs. Since the Chiefs already have a "franchise QB" there is no need to rush him to be a starter. I think you could groom this guy like an Aaron Rogers or a Kevin Kolb or even a Matt Shaub. This pick would be a MAJOR coup for the Chiefs if they could land him in the 5th round. We already know Pioli is looking at QBs. We also know he prides himself on finding late round QBs. Taking Snead in the 5th isn't out of the question if he's still available.

5C. Eric Olsen- OG (Notre Dame)
The Chiefs need help on the Oline. Instead of grabbing a sure-fire starting CENTER in the early rounds, the Chiefs could move Waters inside to Center and find starting guards in the 5th and 6th rounds. Eric Olsen at 6'5, 305. Has a reputation of being mean and aggressive. Played his junior year at Center and his senior year at LG. He could start at RG for the Chiefs next season.

6. Brandon Carter- (Texas Tech)
A 2008 first team All-American. He played OT, but will probably play OG at the next level. He would start IMMEDIATELY at LG next to Albert. This kid is one of the nastiest players in America. After having some nice guys on the line like Shields and Waters, it might be interesting to have a few guys on this line who would kick your mother in the mouth to gain a yard.

fairladyZ
02-02-2010, 08:47 PM
No way brandon graham is there at the end of second round. His stock is skyrocketing and alot of mocks now have him at the end of the first. Lowest pick i have seen is the Lions first pick in the second round before us. We MIGHT be able to get him with our first second but no way our 2b. And i doubt we will take a ILB at #5 and a OLB at #37. Well maybe we did take 2 DE's back to back.

matthewschiefs
02-02-2010, 09:41 PM
If we can get shiply in the 3rd that would be a good pick up. I dont think he will be there in the 3rd round though.

Coach
02-03-2010, 12:09 AM
I like several of the picks, but think its unlikely they will be available where you slotted them.

Specifically, Graham, Shipley, Blount.

Big Daddy Tek
02-03-2010, 01:08 AM
Brandon Graham might not be there at the end of the second, but he is not going in the first for sure. So that's not too much of a stretch.

I think that Tex has Myron Rolle exactly where he will be going. Nobody has seen him play in over a year.

Shipley is the only guy that will probably move up from Texas' mock spot, so all in all, the positioning is not as bad as you may think. Also, we pick at the beginning of every round, so these picks are a tad lower than you may be thinking.

The only thing that this mock has going against it is that it is just too good to be true. Teams will reach for a few of these players.

I would pass out if this mock came to fruition.

Coach
02-03-2010, 01:32 AM
I would pass out if this mock came to fruition.

I agree that this would be a lights out draft. We would definitely ned to address OL in free agency if this is the direction they are headed.

matthewschiefs
02-03-2010, 01:42 AM
I would be one happy chief fan if this was how the draft went. Blount at rb to go with Charles would be a good backfield. Sneed might turn out to be a great find that late. I think he could be a solid nfl qb. But thats just from the little I saw of him in college.

NWA Chief
02-03-2010, 01:52 AM
I've seen this in a lot of mocks, but how come everybody takes Demorio Williams outta the startiing lineup whey they mock us? I thought he was our leading tackler and a very good ILB. I know DJ is a fan favorite but wouldn't you believe they would put D Williams as the starter still?

chief31
02-03-2010, 03:30 AM
Still ignoring the o-line?

It does seem to be pretty likely that The Chiefs will do just that. That has been the theme for quite awhile now.

texaschief
02-03-2010, 05:18 AM
Still ignoring the o-line?

It does seem to be pretty likely that The Chiefs will do just that. That has been the theme for quite awhile now.

I have a feeling they're gonna raid the Patriots' O-line. There's also too much talent on the Saints' O-line for them all to stay. There's gonna be some names on the FA market that the Chiefs will pursue. I just don't think they're gonna get their O-line help from the draft. They're expecting young players to play like vets already... they're not gonna sit around and wait for more kids to develop. I can almost guarantee we'll get our starting LT from NE this offseason. It won't happen, but I would "pass out" if we could snag Jari Evans from NO for our RG spot. Albert at LG, Waters at C, and Evans at RG would be awesome!!

yashi
02-03-2010, 10:17 AM
Great mock. I agree with almost every pick, though I also tend to believe Brandon Graham won't be there with our 3rd pick. I'm also pretty sure that Myron Rolle will end up being drafted by our 4th round pick. But if things can fall this way, I'd love it.

I don't really think Pioli will take an ILB at 5 though. He likes positional value, which makes me think he'd go best LT available or reach on NT Dan Williams.

texaschief
02-03-2010, 06:22 PM
Our picks are at the beginning of each round. You have to think of our picks as late round picks from the previous round.

As far as McClain is concerned, Pioli also knows how important it is to have a leader on that defense. That's why he traded for Vrabel. McClain could be the future for the Chiefs defense the way Ray Lewis has been for the Ravens. The Chiefs are lacking a true cornerstone defensive playmaker and McClain can be that for the Chiefs. Reaching for a NT at #5 wouldn't help this defense nearly as much as a playmaking leader like McClain.

Before the Senior Bowl, Graham was slotted as a third round pick. He's not going to vault into the first round. I think he'll settle right around the middle of the 2nd round... where our 3rd pick is.

Shipley is positioned just about perfectly. How many teams out there can afford to spend a 2nd round pick on a slot receiver? A high 3rd round pick is even stretching it for Shipley. I wouldn't be shocked to see him available in the 4th.

Rolle SHOULD be slotted as a late 3rd pick, so seeing him drop a couple slots to early 4th isn't too much of a stretch.

whatwasthat?
02-03-2010, 07:24 PM
Shipley is positioned just about perfectly. How many teams out there can afford to spend a 2nd round pick on a slot receiver? A high 3rd round pick is even stretching it for Shipley. I wouldn't be shocked to see him available in the 4th.



he is viewed as another wes welker..if you look at welkers production, he consistently has 100 yard games (likely shipleys production will not be like this immediately) and when hes out of the lineup, the patriots offense is significantly weaker...a wes welker-like production would be a gold mine for the chiefs..im sure matt cassell would kill for a 1000 yd slot receiver...#1 receiver in kansas city terms

matthewschiefs
02-03-2010, 07:33 PM
he is viewed as another wes welker..if you look at welkers production, he consistently has 100 yard games (likely shipleys production will not be like this immediately) and when hes out of the lineup, the patriots offense is significantly weaker...a wes welker-like production would be a gold mine for the chiefs..im sure matt cassell would kill for a 1000 yd slot receiver...#1 receiver in kansas city terms

I think that if teams see him as a Welker type that will help to bring his stock up. Welker is not a guy that is going to burn a CB on a deep route but he still gets the job done in a very big way. There are a lot of teams that would love to have a guy like that.

texaschief
02-04-2010, 03:16 AM
See, this is how teams get in bad situations... they spend 1st or 2nd round picks on slot receivers... not #1 or #2 WRs, but #3s or #4s. That's just not smart.

MDChiefs!
02-04-2010, 03:26 AM
agreed Texas. I see Shipley going in the 3rd

MDChiefs!
02-04-2010, 03:32 AM
You gotta remember, Wes Welker wasnt "Wes Welker" until he was put in Belichick's system in NE. He didnt put up anything close to those #s as Miami's slot WR.

pbatrucker
02-04-2010, 06:14 AM
There is a need for speed. I like Jocoby Ford in the third.

yashi
02-04-2010, 10:53 AM
Here is my dream draft. I'm well aware that several of these players could be drafted earlier.

RND-1 Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State Franchise LT means Albert can move inside
RND-2 Jerry Hughes, OLB, TCU Awesome pass rusher to take some pressure off Hali
RND-2 Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State Brandon Carr was picked on all season at CB2
RND-3 Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas Need a slot receiver + KR/PR
RND-4 Cam Thomas, NT, North Carolina Hopefully he would turn out better than Ryan Sims
RND-5 Myron Rolle, SS, Florida State I'm sure he'll go before this though, unfortunately.
RND-5 LeGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon Need a power backup RB
RND-5 Micah Johnson, ILB, Kentucky ILB depth needed

EDIT: I just realized there's no center in there, so I'll revise this later.

whatwasthat?
02-04-2010, 10:57 AM
See, this is how teams get in bad situations... they spend 1st or 2nd round picks on slot receivers... not #1 or #2 WRs, but #3s or #4s. That's just not smart.

i didnt mean first round material..#1 receiver material...with the reliability of our receivers he would be a major upgrade...i think 3rd round is the perfect round to draft him

matthewschiefs
02-04-2010, 12:43 PM
You gotta remember, Wes Welker wasnt "Wes Welker" until he was put in Belichick's system in NE. He didnt put up anything close to those #s as Miami's slot WR.

Thats true but every coach thinks "if I can just get that player i can make him into something" I would not be shocked if he is there in the 3rd but i would not be surprised in the least if someone took him in round number 2.

pbatrucker
02-04-2010, 01:38 PM
Yashi! I like most of your mock except 2.
Hughes does not play the run well and is terrible in coverage.
Micah was on my mock for awhile. He already had injury problems, then went down with a season ending knee injury.

yashi
02-04-2010, 02:23 PM
Yashi! I like most of your mock except 2.
Hughes does not play the run well and is terrible in coverage.
Micah was on my mock for awhile. He already had injury problems, then went down with a season ending knee injury.

True, I guess I would say that I'd prefer Brandon Graham right now for his consistency and how he excels against the run. Not nearly the pass rusher Hughes is, but would still give us a threat opposite Hali moreso than Vrabel does. The thought of a LOLB combination of Vrabel with Hughes as a situational pass rusher is intriguing to me though.

I think Micah Johnson would be a good sleeper in the 5th round for the reasons you mentioned. He's a tackling machine when he's healthy, which is exactly what we could use inside. I always like the 5th round as a place to make risky high-reward type of picks.

texaschief
02-05-2010, 03:55 AM
Have any of y'all actually seen Okung play?!! He's NOT an elite LT like the ones that have been taken in the top 10 over the past few years. If he were in the draft last year or the year before, he'd be a mid to late first round pick... maybe even a 2nd rounder. He's just the least smelly turd in a poor LT class this year. Albert is a better LT than Okung. Okung is clumsy and slow in pass protection. He's another product of a spread offense. Did y'all see OSU run the ball at all this year? no... that's not their offense.

Okung is a trap and I hope Pioli is smart enough not to fall into it.

pbatrucker
02-05-2010, 10:07 AM
Have any of y'all actually seen Okung play?!! He's NOT an elite LT like the ones that have been taken in the top 10 over the past few years. If he were in the draft last year or the year before, he'd be a mid to late first round pick... maybe even a 2nd rounder. He's just the least smelly turd in a poor LT class this year. Albert is a better LT than Okung. Okung is clumsy and slow in pass protection. He's another product of a spread offense. Did y'all see OSU run the ball at all this year? no... that's not their offense.

Okung is a trap and I hope Pioli is smart enough not to fall into it.
I agree. IMO speed rushers in the NFL will kill him.

yashi
02-05-2010, 10:23 AM
I disagree. He shut down the nation's leader sacker, Von Miller, who is definitely a pure speed rusher. He also shut down Sergio Kindle and Brandon Sharpe, among others in the Big 12.

I'll concede that he played in a spread offense though, so maybe his job wasn't as difficult as others, but you can't argue his production and experience at left tackle. I won't say that he's surely going to be better than Campbell, Bulaga, or Davis, but I think he's definitely the safest pick of the 4.

If we can acquire Matt Light, I would have no problem drafting somebody else at 5.

texaschief
02-05-2010, 03:39 PM
The UT defense LIVED in the backfield against OSU. I DO remember that. I wasn't impressed by ANYONE on the OL, let alone the supposed "best LT in the draft." My BIGGEST issue with Okung at #5 is there really isn't any definitive evidence that he'd be better than Albert at this point. We DO know however, that McClain would provide an immediate upgrade at a position the Chiefs DESPERATELY need help at. The Chiefs DO need help on the O-line, but I'm just not sure that there's a LT in this draft that would upgrade the position enough to allow moving Albert to OG.

I do believe Albert will be moved to guard this year. Haley's non-commital to Albert being the LT of the future leads me to believe they're gonna replace him. If they're already thinking about moving him, I think it's because they KNOW they're going to find a better player in FA. Light would be my first guess.

matthewschiefs
02-05-2010, 03:50 PM
I think it is best to draft a defensive player with the first pick. The O line was starting to click at the end of the season. The lack of a pass rush was the biggest thing that was hurting this team. Outside of Hali there was very little pass rush from this team. So getting someone that will help that is probley the best thing for this team right now. O line can be adressed later in the draft or in free agency.

Pro_Angler
02-05-2010, 04:54 PM
with that draft I see another season of the middle of our D getting torched.

texaschief
02-05-2010, 05:08 PM
with that draft I see another season of the middle of our D getting torched.

The "middle" getting "torched?" lol

So, Cody, McClain, Graham, and Rolle, along with Page coming back from injury do NOTHING in your opinion to upgrade the "middle" of the defense? hmm... interesting.

MDChiefs!
02-06-2010, 02:42 AM
Some dont take that news so easily...ive tried. I agree 100% though. This is a mediocre class for Tackles and he is just at the top. Hardly elite


Have any of y'all actually seen Okung play?!! He's NOT an elite LT like the ones that have been taken in the top 10 over the past few years. If he were in the draft last year or the year before, he'd be a mid to late first round pick... maybe even a 2nd rounder. He's just the least smelly turd in a poor LT class this year. Albert is a better LT than Okung. Okung is clumsy and slow in pass protection. He's another product of a spread offense. Did y'all see OSU run the ball at all this year? no... that's not their offense.

Okung is a trap and I hope Pioli is smart enough not to fall into it.

MDChiefs!
02-06-2010, 02:44 AM
I honestly think(and hope) Pioli might go for Dan Williams looking at how they built the Pats, and how desperately we need a NT...He is no more of a reach than anyone else at this spot and he proved it at the senior bowl...we cant take our DEF to the next level without a dominating NT. Waiting any longer past this season to get one will only hurt and hamper the growth of our D.

pbatrucker
02-06-2010, 05:11 AM
I honestly think(and hope) Pioli might go for Dan Williams looking at how they built the Pats, and how desperately we need a NT...He is no more of a reach than anyone else at this spot and he proved it at the senior bowl...we cant take our DEF to the next level without a dominating NT. Waiting any longer past this season to get one will only hurt and hamper the growth of our D.
I've been thinking along those same lines. I can't see Pioli overpaying for anyone and the NT that wwill be available will be exspensive.
On another thought, if the Chiefs don't resign Chambers ( and Chambers will be a risk signing to a long term contract. He did go in the tank after signing with SD)
Dez Bryant could be another option, although I don;t think Pioli will sign a WR that high.

yashi
02-06-2010, 11:22 AM
I actually hope Dan Williams has a monster combine and flies up the boards, because NT would be my ideal pick at 5.

pbatrucker
02-06-2010, 11:29 AM
I actually hope Dan Williams has a monster combine and flies up the boards, because NT would be my ideal pick at 5.
If you're getting a good player that fills you're no1 need I don't think it's to much of a reach.

jap1
02-06-2010, 05:44 PM
I honestly think(and hope) Pioli might go for Dan Williams looking at how they built the Pats, and how desperately we need a NT...He is no more of a reach than anyone else at this spot and he proved it at the senior bowl...we cant take our DEF to the next level without a dominating NT. Waiting any longer past this season to get one will only hurt and hamper the growth of our D.

Ive been thinking that I wouldnt hate drafting Dan Williams in the 1st and picking up someone older like Casey Hampton to mentor Dan Williams for a few years. But only if Hampton doesnt cost an arm and a leg.

Also, Cam Thomas has piqued my interest. He did great at the Sr. Bowl and people having him moving up into the early 3rd round. We'll see how he does in the Combine.

Coach
02-12-2010, 01:25 AM
If the Chiefs can't get Shipley in the 3rd, I think Mardy Gilyard could be a good player at the next level. Team leader, with the ability to play KR and WR.

texaschief
02-12-2010, 04:50 PM
Gilyard scares me. He's a little light in the @ss and not quick enough in my opinion to make up for it... like a Dante Hall for example. If Shipley isn't there in the 3rd round, I think we should look at the O-line or perhaps the best player available.

As far as NT in the first goes... there ABSOLUTELY won't be one worth paying top 5 money in this draft. So, unless we trade down from #5 or up from our early 2nd, we're not gonna take a NT.

yashi
02-12-2010, 05:59 PM
I agree about Gilyard. He doesn't strike me as a run across the middle of the field with no worries about throwing his body into a linebacker type of player. I like Lance Long better as a slot guy than I do Gilyard.

jap1
02-13-2010, 01:41 AM
As far as NT in the first goes... there ABSOLUTELY won't be one worth paying top 5 money in this draft. So, unless we trade down from #5 or up from our early 2nd, we're not gonna take a NT.

Last year, everyone said that T. Jackson was not worth top 5 money, too. This administration does not seem to care as much about where they draft as getting quality players at key positions.

I wouldnt be too sure that they wont go after a NT with the top 5 pick.

texaschief
02-13-2010, 06:27 AM
Last year, everyone said that T. Jackson was not worth top 5 money, too. This administration does not seem to care as much about where they draft as getting quality players at key positions.

I wouldnt be too sure that they wont go after a NT with the top 5 pick.

Jackson was a horrible pick at #5. I hope picks like that aren't a common occurrence.

KristofLaw
02-13-2010, 08:22 AM
Jackson was a horrible pick at #5. I hope picks like that aren't a common occurrence.

Sad but true... no matter if he ends up as the best of all time we still could have traded down or maybe even got him with our second pick. Or maybe not.

Chief Tyler
02-13-2010, 12:42 PM
Sad but true... no matter if he ends up as the best of all time we still could have traded down or maybe even got him with our second pick. Or maybe not.

If he's the best end of all time it was a good pick no matter if he was number one overall or an undrafted free agent, that's just silly. Also, we couldn't have traded down. Pioli said he tried and nobody was biting.

Nobody wanted to trade down. The options at the three spot were Sanchez, Monroe and Curry. If we had been able to trade out of the pick we would have been robbed like the Jets robbed the Browns, and Jackson would have been gone by the 17th or 19th or whatever it was. Nobody wants to pay sixty million plus for a rookie, especially a linebacker, and in hindsight, Monroe wasn't the most impressive rookie either. DE isn't an uncommon position with the top picks in the draft either.

I don't like defending the Jackson pick, but it wasn't totally unreasonable and it isn't a bust or bad pick yet for what our options were. He played better near the end of the season and hopefully improves again. A little help elsewhere on the line wouldn't hurt his progress.

jacko58
02-13-2010, 04:35 PM
the draft last year was bassed on the staff herm had put together once the draft was over they were all fired

pbatrucker
02-13-2010, 05:06 PM
the draft last year was bassed on the staff herm had put together once the draft was over they were all fired

There has been more than one article on the web that stated Pioli used his noted from NE for the draft with very little input from the scouts that were here. Those coaches stated TJ wasn't even on there sheets. It only makes sense that the scouts we had at the time were scouting for a completly different system, both offensive and defense from what Pioli wanted.
It is way too early to tell how TJ will work out.

jap1
02-13-2010, 05:31 PM
Jackson was a horrible pick at #5. I hope picks like that aren't a common occurrence.

I dont think he was horrible. We were changing to a 3-4 and didnt have anyone who could play end. He was one of the biggest needs.

I dont think it was a great pick, but I dont think it was horrible, either. My only point was that picking up a NT (a big need for us) if no one will trade down with us, would not be out of the question for our management.