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honda522
03-30-2010, 11:33 PM
Alabama LB Rolando McClain Visiting At Least Four Teams - Arrowhead Pride (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/3/30/1397822/alabama-lb-rolando-mcclain?ref=yahoo)

I wouldn't mind getting him. I don't care for the idea of drafting a OL in which we can get one in the second round just as good. Mainly cause we have just as many holes to fill and fix in other places.

stricken721
03-31-2010, 12:37 AM
Alabama LB Rolando McClain Visiting At Least Four Teams - Arrowhead Pride (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/3/30/1397822/alabama-lb-rolando-mcclain?ref=yahoo)

I wouldn't mind getting him. I don't care for the idea of drafting a OL in which we can get one in the second round just as good. Mainly cause we have just as many holes to fill and fix in other places.

McClain is on the top of my board on guys I would like to see as a Chief. I think Pioli would do it too.. after all he got Jerod Mayo and look what he did with him.

Chiefster
03-31-2010, 12:48 AM
With all the FA moves on the o-line here of late I fully expect to see us draft a defensive player in the first round.

70 chiefsfan70
03-31-2010, 08:00 AM
I like McClain a lot, He would definately be an asset to the chiefs,and would fill a huge need, but think hes a reach at #5 but then again wich player isn't?

honda522
03-31-2010, 03:51 PM
Well we picked Tyson Jackson last year, who should have been a 3rd maybe even a 4th round pick.

It seems that he might not be worth a top 5 pick at this moment (only time will tell) but I don't think he will fall to us in the second round.

Ryfo18
03-31-2010, 03:59 PM
Well we picked Tyson Jackson last year, who should have been a 3rd maybe even a 4th round pick.

It seems that he might not be worth a top 5 pick at this moment (only time will tell) but I don't think he will fall to us in the second round.

Where are you getting this from? Everything I saw had Jackson in mid round 1. He was the best 3-4 DE in last year's draft.

bwilliams
03-31-2010, 04:17 PM
Where are you getting this from? Everything I saw had Jackson in mid round 1. He was the best 3-4 DE in last year's draft.

Almost evey mock I saw in 2009 had Tyson Jackson going 9th to the Packers. A few had him going 12th to the Broncos. We reached a little for him, but not nearly as much as everyone is pretending.

honda522
03-31-2010, 04:24 PM
Where are you getting this from? Everything I saw had Jackson in mid round 1. He was the best 3-4 DE in last year's draft.
Well thats personal opinion.

Ryfo18
03-31-2010, 04:30 PM
Well thats personal opinion.

No it's not a personal opinion. Everyone had him booked as the best 3-4 DE in last year's draft, and obviously the Chiefs did too.

Now, if a guy doesn't live up to his potential, that's a different story. Teams only have so much they can go off before they draft these guys. Any player can turn into a huge bust, but there's only so much you can do to really evaluate how good you think a certain player will be.

Look at Mario Williams, #1 pick in 2006. 4.5 sacks in his rookie season. That's pretty 3rd or 4th roundish for a 4-3 DE, and definitely a BUST for the #1 overall pick. Then in 2007 though: 14.5 sacks. Give Tyson some time to develop, it was his first year on the DL, and regardless, 3-4 DE's aren't going to have sexy stats. Everyone on this site seems to think every defensive player needs to have 100+ tackles, 7 sacks, and 4 forced fumbles in order for the team to be successful. It's ridiculous. I guess we should have taken Aaron Curry huh? He had a stellar year.

honda522
03-31-2010, 04:53 PM
No it's not a personal opinion. Everyone had him booked as the best 3-4 DE in last year's draft, and obviously the Chiefs did too.

Now, if a guy doesn't live up to his potential, that's a different story. Teams only have so muh they can go off before they draft these guys. Any player can turn into a huge bust, but there's only so much you can do to really evaluate how good you think a certain player will be.

Look at Mario Williams, #1 pick in 2006. 4.5 sacks in his rookie season. That's pretty 3rd or 4th roundish for a 4-3 DE, and definitely a BUST for the #1 overall pick. Then in 2007 though: 14.5 sacks. Give Tyson some time to develop, it was his first year on the DL, and regardless, 3-4 DE's aren't going to have sexy stats. Everyone on this site seems to think every defensive player needs to have 100+ tackles, 7 sacks, and 4 forced fumbles in order for the team to be successful. It's ridiculous. I guess we should have taken Aaron Curry huh? He had a stellar year.
I am just saying that is my opinion.

We could of easily had BJ Raji, Micheal Oher. Which would have been better picks. That fact I am saying is no player is guarenteed to turn out the way you want. They might be worse, or better.

Look at Marque Colston. 7th round pick. Now he is one of there best Receivers. Ryan Sccoup...Jared Allen..

partysan
03-31-2010, 04:56 PM
No it's not a personal opinion. Everyone had him booked as the best 3-4 DE in last year's draft, and obviously the Chiefs did too.

Now, if a guy doesn't live up to his potential, that's a different story. Teams only have so much they can go off before they draft these guys. Any player can turn into a huge bust, but there's only so much you can do to really evaluate how good you think a certain player will be.

Look at Mario Williams, #1 pick in 2006. 4.5 sacks in his rookie season. That's pretty 3rd or 4th roundish for a 4-3 DE, and definitely a BUST for the #1 overall pick. Then in 2007 though: 14.5 sacks. Give Tyson some time to develop, it was his first year on the DL, and regardless, 3-4 DE's aren't going to have sexy stats. Everyone on this site seems to think every defensive player needs to have 100+ tackles, 7 sacks, and 4 forced fumbles in order for the team to be successful. It's ridiculous. I guess we should have taken Aaron Curry huh? He had a stellar year.

Very true. Everybody is smarter and able to pick the right guy a full year later.

yashi
03-31-2010, 04:57 PM
Hindsight is 20-20. I never liked the pick, but my pick (Raji) hasn't been too hot either.

Ryfo18
03-31-2010, 05:02 PM
I am just saying that is my opinion.

We could of easily had BJ Raji, Micheal Oher. Which would have been better picks. That fact I am saying is no player is guarenteed to turn out the way you want. They might be worse, or better.

Look at Marque Colston. 7th round pick. Now he is one of there best Receivers. Ryan Sccoup...Jared Allen..


I completely agree with you. Those guys would have probably been more of an immediate fix. I wanted to throw the Mario Williams example out there though because it's still too early to judge Tyson.

bwilliams
03-31-2010, 05:05 PM
I am just saying that is my opinion.

We could of easily had BJ Raji, Micheal Oher. Which would have been better picks. That fact I am saying is no player is guarenteed to turn out the way you want. They might be worse, or better.

Look at Marque Colston. 7th round pick. Now he is one of there best Receivers. Ryan Sccoup...Jared Allen..


Whether he was the best 3-4 DE is your opinion. But you're mistaken that he was a 3rd or 4th rounder. He was going in the top-12 of the draft, whether we took him or not.

stricken721
03-31-2010, 05:09 PM
Whether he was the best 3-4 DE is your opinion. But you're mistaken that he was a 3rd or 4th rounder. He was going in the top-12 of the draft, whether we took him or not.

Michael Oher is not a DE.


Edit: Ooops. I saw his name highlighted and thought you were saying he was a DE. Sorry about that.

g8rb8t
03-31-2010, 08:09 PM
I dont like him because of his medical condition with Crones. I don't want to draft a guy top 5 and have him leave because he had to have treatments.

maybe a 2nd B pick but not top five at the moment.

kckidd8870
03-31-2010, 09:15 PM
He was a mid first round guy and we pick him at the #3 spot.

Bike
04-01-2010, 09:39 AM
He was a mid first round guy and we pick him at the #3 spot.
Only time will tell if he was worth it.

DC_Chiefsfan
04-01-2010, 01:03 PM
I dont like him because of his medical condition with Crones. I don't want to draft a guy top 5 and have him leave because he had to have treatments.

maybe a 2nd B pick but not top five at the moment.


I was concerned with this when I initially read about it, but it hasn't stopped him in college. The guy LOVES football, seems to have an exceptional football IQ and has a high motor. I think he would add some much needed attitude and swagger to this team. He won't fall past #12 pick overall, so a reach at #5 overall is not too much in my opinion.

bwilliams
04-01-2010, 01:04 PM
He was a mid first round guy and we pick him at the #3 spot.

No he wasn't! He was projected to #9 (Packers) in almost all mocks, and #12 to the Broncos at the absolute latest. I have no idea where this myth came from that he was a mid-to-late 1st round guy.

Seek
04-01-2010, 01:36 PM
Almost evey mock I saw in 2009 had Tyson Jackson going 9th to the Packers. A few had him going 12th to the Broncos. We reached a little for him, but not nearly as much as everyone is pretending.

Maybe he seems like a bigger reach than he was because he is playing like a bigger reach.

moshak
04-01-2010, 04:54 PM
Maybe he seems like a bigger reach than he was because he is playing like a bigger reach.

That is defintely true, thats why I dont like the idea of reaching for DAn Williams because i know he's gonna take a couple years to get used to the level of play in the NFL.
However, as we saw last year with Clay Mathews, Orakpo, and Brian Cushing Linebackers usually make an immediate impact and generally the transition is very easy for them.
The difference between Dan Williams and Cam Thomas is not the same as the difference between McClain and Sean Lee.
McClain will be an instant playmaker, run stopper, leader, and pro bowler.

DC_Chiefsfan
04-01-2010, 09:27 PM
That is defintely true, thats why I dont like the idea of reaching for DAn Williams because i know he's gonna take a couple years to get used to the level of play in the NFL.
However, as we saw last year with Clay Mathews, Orakpo, and Brian Cushing Linebackers usually make an immediate impact and generally the transition is very easy for them.
The difference between Dan Williams and Cam Thomas is not the same as the difference between McClain and Sean Lee.
McClain will be an instant playmaker, run stopper, leader, and pro bowler.

Well said.

g8rb8t
04-02-2010, 12:04 AM
I will say though we have had a great deal of luck from another linebacker out of Bama.

pbatrucker
04-02-2010, 04:56 AM
I heard over on AP that we have a private workout scheduled in AL with McClain on April 10th.

stricken721
04-02-2010, 01:13 PM
I heard over on AP that we have a private workout scheduled in AL with McClain on April 10th.

Yep. Hopefully it goes well

Bike
04-02-2010, 05:34 PM
We ain't taking McClain at 5. Positional value. Safeties and ILB's no go for top 15. My guess would be Baluga if Okung is gone...

DC_Chiefsfan
04-02-2010, 06:58 PM
If Pioli took Jerod Mayo 10th overall, I wouldn't put it past him to take an ILB with the 5th. Bulaga would be a terrible 5th overall pick. He'd be a good player, but definitely not worth #5 overall.

Bike
04-02-2010, 07:29 PM
If Pioli took Jerod Mayo 10th overall, I wouldn't put it past him to take an ILB with the 5th. Bulaga would be a terrible 5th overall pick. He'd be a good player, but definitely not worth #5 overall.
5th pick and 10th pick are a long way apart - both in raw dollars and value. To say that McClain over Baluga at 5 makes sense - doesn't make sense. McClain's stock is dropping fast, with some mocks showing him late 1st and even early 2nd round.

DC_Chiefsfan
04-02-2010, 08:16 PM
We need an ILB badly. DJ will either get traded or relegated to Nickel LB/3rd down linebacker. That's just what you do with his skill set in a 3-4. So we are going to lean on Williams and Mays? Maybe throw Vrabel in at ILB? No way. McClain plays hard, lives for football and is a leader on the field. He is also projected to go early/mid 1st, just like BULAGA. And our Oline is easily good enough to wait until the 2nd round to address. Even then, we need the most help at G/C. Ducasse and Saffold will be front runners I'm guessing.

Bike
04-02-2010, 08:58 PM
We need an ILB badly. DJ will either get traded or relegated to Nickel LB/3rd down linebacker. That's just what you do with his skill set in a 3-4. So we are going to lean on Williams and Mays? Maybe throw Vrabel in at ILB? No way. McClain plays hard, lives for football and is a leader on the field. He is also projected to go early/mid 1st, just like BULAGA. And our Oline is easily good enough to wait until the 2nd round to address. Even then, we need the most help at G/C. Ducasse and Saffold will be front runners I'm guessing.

Icorrect. Baluga is slated top 10. Mcclain bottom 10. Fact.

pbatrucker
04-02-2010, 09:52 PM
Icorrect. Baluga is slated top 10. Mcclain bottom 10. Fact.
Haven't seen anything projecting McClain to the bottom 10 of the first round. He will be taken in the top ten.

Bike
04-02-2010, 10:05 PM
Haven't seen anything projecting McClain to the bottom 10 of the first round. He will be taken in the top ten.

Incorrect.

bwilliams
04-03-2010, 12:09 AM
Haven't seen anything projecting McClain to the bottom 10 of the first round. He will be taken in the top ten.

Nah, the earliest McClain might go is to the Broncos at #11. My bet is that he goes to the Pats at #22 or the Packers at #23. ILBs (especially ones with crohn's disease) just aren't that valuable.

pbatrucker
04-03-2010, 05:23 AM
Incorrect.
Show me the posts that state that!!!!

Bike
04-03-2010, 08:31 AM
Show me the posts that state that!!!!
Why? You'll find out in a couple weeks. In the meantime I will tell you that positions such as safety and ILB simply arn't worth a top 15 pick...

pbatrucker
04-03-2010, 12:36 PM
Why? You'll find out in a couple weeks. In the meantime I will tell you that positions such as safety and ILB simply arn't worth a top 15 pick...
Really, you should base your opions more on fact'

bwilliams
04-03-2010, 01:10 PM
Really, you should base your opions more on fact'

Here's a good article (http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftsafeties.php) on why safeties aren't drafted top-15. You can replace "safety" with ILB too.

And here's a mock draft clearinghouse. http://walterfootball.com/draftdata.php. See how many have McClain in the top-15.

Bike
04-03-2010, 03:47 PM
Really, you should base your opions more on fact'

Nah. I'm here to have fun - not do research. If you disagree, that's cool. If I state that it's a fact, I'll post a link. Otherwise, it's just my opinion...

DC_Chiefsfan
04-03-2010, 07:45 PM
McClain won't make it past 15th overall. Just won't.

bwilliams
04-03-2010, 08:06 PM
McClain won't make it past 15th overall. Just won't.

Remember last draft, when people thought ILBs like Rey Maualuga and James Laurinaitis would be definite top-15 picks? Yeah, me too.

DC_Chiefsfan
04-03-2010, 09:27 PM
Remember last draft, when people thought ILBs like Rey Maualuga and James Laurinaitis would be definite top-15 picks? Yeah, me too.

Definitely a good point, kudos. I just don't think he'll fall that far. Too many 3-4 teams in need of skills like his.

bwilliams
04-03-2010, 09:37 PM
Definitely a good point, kudos. I just don't think he'll fall that far. Too many 3-4 teams in need of skills like his.

I think it depends on Denver. If Denver takes McClain (and I think its 50/50 they do), then he goes at #11. However, if Denver picks someone else (Dan Williams, Dez Bryant, or maybe even Berry), then McClain starts freefalling. Dolphins picked up Dansby in FA, 49ers and Seahawks don't need a LB, the Giants and Titans are both going DE, Pittsburgh is going OL, Falcons don't need a ILB, Texans go RB or S, and the Bengals have Maualuga. The Packers at #23 would be the next logical spot for him. If they pass, I think he drops to the Cards at #27.

pbatrucker
04-04-2010, 01:40 AM
I think it depends on Denver. If Denver takes McClain (and I think its 50/50 they do), then he goes at #11. However, if Denver picks someone else (Dan Williams, Dez Bryant, or maybe even Berry), then McClain starts freefalling. Dolphins picked up Dansby in FA, 49ers and Seahawks don't need a LB, the Giants and Titans are both going DE, Pittsburgh is going OL, Falcons don't need a ILB, Texans go RB or S, and the Bengals have Maualuga. The Packers at #23 would be the next logical spot for him. If they pass, I think he drops to the Cards at #27.
The Giants would love to have him, they have to replace Pierce.

DC_Chiefsfan
04-04-2010, 08:48 AM
If McClain is available for the Steelers I don't think they pass on him.

bwilliams
04-04-2010, 11:02 AM
The Giants would love to have him, they have to replace Pierce.

The Giants will almost certainly take a MLB in the first three rounds, but I'd bet my bottom dollar (not saying much) they go DE in the 1st. Osi is hurt too much and Kiwanuka is getting unreliable.

KristofLaw
04-06-2010, 09:35 PM
Very true. Everybody is smarter and able to pick the right guy a full year later.

Hi there!

That is defintely true, thats why I dont like the idea of reaching for DAn Williams because i know he's gonna take a couple years to get used to the level of play in the NFL.
However, as we saw last year with Clay Mathews, Orakpo, and Brian Cushing Linebackers usually make an immediate impact and generally the transition is very easy for them.
The difference between Dan Williams and Cam Thomas is not the same as the difference between McClain and Sean Lee.
McClain will be an instant playmaker, run stopper, leader, and pro bowler.

I'd add Maualuga to that list. IMO he was the main reason the Bengals turned around as they did.

McClain won't make it past 15th overall. Just won't.

Remember last draft, when people thought ILBs like Rey Maualuga and James Laurinaitis would be definite top-15 picks? Yeah, me too.
Either pick would have worked and we could traded up for either with the right deal. I really wish we got one of the USC Trojans or Laurinatis last year. Maybe McClain is the direction we should head this off-season?