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charlesIII
04-12-2010, 02:16 AM
why couldent we or why didnt we make a run at Santonio holmes if they were only asking a 5th rounder

AussieChiefsFan
04-12-2010, 02:28 AM
why couldent we or why didnt we make a run at Santonio holmes if they were only asking a 5th rounder
At first I thought you were making this up, but then I went over to NFL.com and it said:

"BREAKING NEWS: The Steelers have traded Super Bowl XLIII MVP Santonio Holmes to the New York Jets for a fifth-round draft pick"

WOW a fifth round pick, talk about a bad trade for the steelers.

stricken721
04-12-2010, 02:35 AM
why couldent we or why didnt we make a run at Santonio holmes if they were only asking a 5th rounder

Too many legal troubles with him right now.. We shouldn't have even tried.

AussieChiefsFan
04-12-2010, 05:16 AM
Too many legal troubles with him right now.. We shouldn't have even tried.
I'm guessing that why he was traded for only a 5th rounder.

Sn@keIze
04-12-2010, 08:31 AM
i cant believe this.

legal troubles or not. go get him. for a 5th rounder?

AussieChiefsFan
04-12-2010, 08:39 AM
i cant believe this.

legal troubles or not. go get him. for a 5th rounder?
yeah, i mean they had a good WR and just got rid of him for only a 5th round pick

honda522
04-12-2010, 09:45 AM
The Steelers have gotten rid of him cause his off the field troubles.

I am suprised at this though, cause big ben has had more. DUI, Riding a motorcyle without a helmet and DL. Several women have accused him of rap and sexual assult.

Chiefster
04-12-2010, 10:19 AM
The Steelers have gotten rid of him cause his off the field troubles.

I am suprised at this though, cause big ben has had more. DUI, Riding a motorcyle without a helmet and DL. Several women have accused him of rap and sexual assult.

Quoted for truth!

SalinaChiefsFan
04-12-2010, 10:44 AM
The Steelers have gotten rid of him cause his off the field troubles.

I am suprised at this though, cause big ben has had more. DUI, Riding a motorcyle without a helmet and DL. Several women have accused him of rap and sexual assult.



Nothing worse than being accused of rap. :D :D :D

Chiefster
04-12-2010, 10:51 AM
Nothing worse than being accused of rap. :D :D :D


:lol: I completely missed that.

Ryfo18
04-12-2010, 10:57 AM
Holmes is already facing a 4-game suspension, and has also recently stated his love for smoking pot (very Ricky Williamsish of him). His legal troubles (present and probably future). Plus, he is on the last year of his contract and I'm sure being a super bowl MVP, he is going to command a lot of money. The Jets are a team that is maybe 1-2 players away from competing for a super bowl, the Chiefs unfortunately are not. They can afford to give away a pick for 1 year of help. Also, I don't beleive the Steelers shopped him very hard, so the Chiefs may not have even been in the loop regarding this.

bwilliams
04-12-2010, 11:18 AM
Holmes is already facing a 4-game suspension, and has also recently stated his love for smoking pot (very Ricky Williamsish of him). His legal troubles (present and probably future). Plus, he is on the last year of his contract and I'm sure being a super bowl MVP, he is going to command a lot of money. The Jets are a team that is maybe 1-2 players away from competing for a super bowl, the Chiefs unfortunately are not. They can afford to give away a pick for 1 year of help. Also, I don't beleive the Steelers shopped him very hard, so the Chiefs may not have even been in the loop regarding this.

Yep. If we traded for Holmes, we'd basically be renting him for 12 games in 2010. And given his problems off the field, it's more trouble than it's worth for those 12 games.

Seek
04-12-2010, 01:46 PM
The Chiefs completely cut a player that was simlilar but in a better situation than Holmes, (LJ) and most of the fan base was okay with it.

Why wouldn't Pittsburgh be happy getting a 5th. This is a very risky trade for the JETS...

wichitaj
04-12-2010, 03:04 PM
why couldent we or why didnt we make a run at Santonio holmes if they were only asking a 5th rounder

two words, Larry Johnson

yashi
04-12-2010, 03:33 PM
The Chiefs completely cut a player that was simlilar but in a better situation than Holmes, (LJ) and most of the fan base was okay with it.

Why wouldn't Pittsburgh be happy getting a 5th. This is a very risky trade for the JETS...

Meh.. Holmes is a pot head in his prime, LJ is a washed-up woman beating narcissistic idiot. Give me the pot head any day.

But like everyone said, there would be no point in trading anything for Santonio Holmes unless we knew we would be able to lock him up long-term, which we probably wouldn't.

The interesting thing is there was a certain draft day where Chiefs fans were crying out for us to draft Holmes, and when it was announced that we took Tamba Hali instead, Chiefs fans let out a collective "WTF?" I'm sure feeling a lot better about that pick today. :D

Chief Tyler
04-12-2010, 07:38 PM
The Steelers have gotten rid of him cause his off the field troubles.

I am suprised at this though, cause big ben has had more. DUI, Riding a motorcyle without a helmet and DL. Several women have accused him of rap and sexual assult.

Holmes had one year left on his contract, Big Ben on the other hand is in the middle of a monster deal. Plus his position is a little harder to replace and a little more important.

Somebody was saying that the purpose of this move might in part be to teach Ben that his position isn't locked.

honda522
04-12-2010, 08:40 PM
Nothing worse than being accused of rap. :D :D :D
lol, I was in a hurry when I typed that.

charlesIII
04-12-2010, 09:37 PM
im pissed because i now feel that the jets are going to draft terrence cody with their pick and i was hoping to get him with our 2a pick

matthewschiefs
04-12-2010, 09:38 PM
two words, Larry Johnson

who?

honda522
04-12-2010, 10:16 PM
HMMMMM....

Glad Pioli don't think like the OP. :)

Jets' new WR Holmes suspended 4 games by NFL - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Anc0Z57BegukcPYYcJlH7Ak5nYcB?slug=ap-jets-holmes)


Not even Jet for a day before he is suspended.

chief31
04-13-2010, 12:23 AM
Yep. If we traded for Holmes, we'd basically be renting him for 12 games in 2010. And given his problems off the field, it's more trouble than it's worth for those 12 games.

I'd gladly part with a fifth round pick.


The Chiefs completely cut a player that was simlilar but in a better situation than Holmes, (LJ) and most of the fan base was okay with it.

Why wouldn't Pittsburgh be happy getting a 5th. This is a very risky trade for the JETS...


Risky? They lost a fifth round pick. Odds are pretty heavily against getting anything from a player you select late in the fifth round.

I think the chances of getting a good player out of Holmes is far greater than getting a good player by using that draft pick.

I am not one who thinks our WR positions is in severe need of upgrades. But I would have jumped at this opportunity.

bwilliams
04-13-2010, 12:40 AM
I'd gladly part with a fifth round pick.




Risky? They lost a fifth round pick. Odds are pretty heavily against getting anything from a player you select late in the fifth round.

I think the chances of getting a good player out of Holmes is far greater than getting a good player by using that draft pick.

I am not one who thinks our WR positions is in severe need of upgrades. But I would have jumped at this opportunity.

Holmes would have been pissed at being traded to the Chiefs run-first/short passing offense in a contract year. He would not have produced on the field, and he would have been a cancer in the locker room. He would have clocked his twelve games, alligator-armed every pass that would have got him hit, and counted the days until he was gone. On his way out to his shiny new big contract, he'd have blamed the Chiefs and Cassel for his low production in 2010.

And that's best case. Worst case, he violates the substance abuse policy, has a ton of off the field conduct problems, and spends the next nine months running down the team and city to every newspaper that will listen.

chief31
04-13-2010, 12:46 AM
Holmes would have been pissed at being traded to the Chiefs run-first/short passing offense in a contract year. He would not have produced on the field, and he would have been a cancer in the locker room. He would have clocked his twelve games, alligator-armed every pass that would have got him hit, and counted the days until he was gone. On his way out to his shiny new big contract, he'd have blamed the Chiefs and Cassel for his low production in 2010.

And that's best case. Worst case, he violates the substance abuse policy, has a ton of off the field conduct problems, and spends the next nine months running down the team and city to every newspaper that will listen.

That's the best case? That he hates his new team and decides to not play hard?

Do you believe that?

bwilliams
04-13-2010, 01:04 AM
That's the best case? That he hates his new team and decides to not play hard?

Do you believe that?

I think that's best case at his being traded to the Chiefs. We finished last in our division last season, are shaky at most key positions, and our starting QB threw for less than 3,000 yards in 2009. Our OC is known for short passing routes and physical WR play. You think a speedy, top-flight WR in a contract year wants to come here right now? Especially one with Holmes's off-field issues?

All we'd do by trading for Holmes is get average (at best) WR play while inviting a media circus for the next season. No thanks.

chief31
04-13-2010, 03:51 AM
I think that's best case at his being traded to the Chiefs. We finished last in our division last season, are shaky at most key positions, and our starting QB threw for less than 3,000 yards in 2009. Our OC is known for short passing routes and physical WR play. You think a speedy, top-flight WR in a contract year wants to come here right now? Especially one with Holmes's off-field issues?

All we'd do by trading for Holmes is get average (at best) WR play while inviting a media circus for the next season. No thanks.

Well, the trade to The jets has already been done. But Holmes has been in Pittsburgh this whole time. Not exactly a pass-happy offense there.

I submit that the best case scenario is that plays hard for twelve games, does a great job, and helps this team to become a winner, thus raising his interest in returning to a winning team.

What makes that scenario impossible?

bwilliams
04-13-2010, 11:40 AM
Well, the trade to The jets has already been done. But Holmes has been in Pittsburgh this whole time. Not exactly a pass-happy offense there.

I submit that the best case scenario is that plays hard for twelve games, does a great job, and helps this team to become a winner, thus raising his interest in returning to a winning team.

What makes that scenario impossible?

Impossible? Nothing. It's not impossible that Holmes posts 4000 receiving yards and 40 TDs next year. It's not impossible he plays football during the day, fights crime at night, and cures cancer at dinnertime. But it's awfully unlikely. As much as a thing can be predicted, it can be predicted that Holmes would be a disaster on the Chiefs next season.

First, the Steelers have been a very pass-happy offense when Roethlisberger's healthy (finished 9th in 2009, which is a feat given their OL). Second, nothing about Holmes says he'd be a good trooper. Everything points to him being a Brandon Marshall-style malcontent. Third, our passing offense is not a big play offense. It's a lot of short-to-internediate passing routes. Our WRs get hit a *lot*, which is one of the big reason we led the league in drops. We don't have the big arm QB to get Holmes the big yardage. And he's not going to get killed in a contract year going over the middle every down. Why would he?

You can believe that everything would have turned out great if you want. I just don't see it.

chief31
04-13-2010, 08:31 PM
Impossible? Nothing. It's not impossible that Holmes posts 4000 receiving yards and 40 TDs next year. It's not impossible he plays football during the day, fights crime at night, and cures cancer at dinnertime. But it's awfully unlikely. As much as a thing can be predicted, it can be predicted that Holmes would be a disaster on the Chiefs next season.

First, the Steelers have been a very pass-happy offense when Roethlisberger's healthy (finished 9th in 2009, which is a feat given their OL). Second, nothing about Holmes says he'd be a good trooper. Everything points to him being a Brandon Marshall-style malcontent. Third, our passing offense is not a big play offense. It's a lot of short-to-internediate passing routes. Our WRs get hit a *lot*, which is one of the big reason we led the league in drops. We don't have the big arm QB to get Holmes the big yardage. And he's not going to get killed in a contract year going over the middle every down. Why would he?

You can believe that everything would have turned out great if you want. I just don't see it.

:lol:

I am sure you're right. He probably would have crept through KC at night, killing every first-born son.

Anyone can make ridiculous exaggerations.


He would not have produced on the field, and he would have been a cancer in the locker room. He would have clocked his twelve games, alligator-armed every pass that would have got him hit, and counted the days until he was gone. On his way out to his shiny new big contract, he'd have blamed the Chiefs and Cassel for his low production in 2010. And that's best case.

But then, clearly, you take to it pretty naturally.

Hey, just bustin' your b*lls.:D

But you offer the best case and worst case scenarios as being, pretty much, the same.

Just a tad closed-minded.

Coach
04-14-2010, 02:06 AM
The last Superbowl champion WR that left Pittsburgh to go to NY ended up in Jail. A lot of similarities with those two.

Hopefully Santonio can avoid taking that path.

bwilliams
04-14-2010, 11:01 AM
:lol:

I am sure you're right. He probably would have crept through KC at night, killing every first-born son.

Anyone can make ridiculous exaggerations.



But then, clearly, you take to it pretty naturally.

Hey, just bustin' your b*lls.:D

But you offer the best case and worst case scenarios as being, pretty much, the same.

Just a tad closed-minded.

If you want to believe that Santonio Holmes would have been a great Chief, knock yourself out. But man, you've got to be blind to be missing all the warning flags here. If Santonio Holmes were a completely different person at a different time in his professional career, but still had the same physical skills, he'd be a great pickup. As a malcontent in a contract year, there's really no other option on how it would have turned out.

Seek
04-14-2010, 02:21 PM
I'd gladly part with a fifth round pick.




Risky? They lost a fifth round pick. Odds are pretty heavily against getting anything from a player you select late in the fifth round.

I think the chances of getting a good player out of Holmes is far greater than getting a good player by using that draft pick.

I am not one who thinks our WR positions is in severe need of upgrades. But I would have jumped at this opportunity.


Yes it is Risky. The Jets are willing to take that Risk for the possible rewards. Not all teams are that willing which is why a 5th isn't a steal of a deal.

Holmes has shown little remorse for his drug violation(S) and is a huge risk for repeating this violation which will induce a full year suspension at a minimum.

He is currently facing a law suit for throwing a glass at a woman and cutting her face. He had one other previous domestic dispute dropped in 2006.

Just recently he told a fan to kill themself through his twitter page and just moved to the biggesst city in the US with some of the most ruthless fans. He is a time bomb just waiting to explode.

Maybe people look past all of this because he was a superbowl MVP, but the guy is at risk of getting the Pacman Jones suspension if he does not get his head on straight. That is a huge risk.

chief31
04-15-2010, 06:16 AM
Yes it is Risky. The Jets are willing to take that Risk for the possible rewards. Not all teams are that willing which is why a 5th isn't a steal of a deal.

Holmes has shown little remorse for his drug violation(S) and is a huge risk for repeating this violation which will induce a full year suspension at a minimum.

He is currently facing a law suit for throwing a glass at a woman and cutting her face. He had one other previous domestic dispute dropped in 2006.

Just recently he told a fan to kill themself through his twitter page and just moved to the biggesst city in the US with some of the most ruthless fans. He is a time bomb just waiting to explode.

Maybe people look past all of this because he was a superbowl MVP, but the guy is at risk of getting the Pacman Jones suspension if he does not get his head on straight. That is a huge risk.

Since the vast majority of fifth round picks never amount to anything. Seems that the risk is non-existent to me.

Worst case scenario, he is a total bumb like Bwilliams says, and doesn't contribute. Certainly not far from what you expect from a fifth round pick anyway.

Best case scenario, he changes. It isn't like that doesn't happen. Jared Allen quit drinking. Eddie Kennison straightened up.

If your fifth round pick doesn't work out, it's a pretty minor deal.

Bike
04-15-2010, 09:49 AM
Holmes was a constant thorn vs Rex Ryans' defenses during his days in Baltimore. He remembered what he did to them...thus he is now a Jet...

Seek
04-15-2010, 01:52 PM
Since the vast majority of fifth round picks never amount to anything. Seems that the risk is non-existent to me.

Worst case scenario, he is a total bumb like Bwilliams says, and doesn't contribute. Certainly not far from what you expect from a fifth round pick anyway.

Best case scenario, he changes. It isn't like that doesn't happen. Jared Allen quit drinking. Eddie Kennison straightened up.

If your fifth round pick doesn't work out, it's a pretty minor deal.

It is more than a fifth round pick. The Jets draft board just changed based on need. The Jets very well good have addressed their wants at WR in the draft and now may pass on WR as they have it filled. This essentially could put thim in a big hole.

You can't compare Eddie Kennison to Holmes. Kennison just never lived up to his draft status on the field. He did quit on Denver because his wife was sick. He was never an off the field problem.

A better comparision would be Jared Allen. The difference though is by this time, Jared was working to get his stuff straight. Holmes has shown no signs of improvement and is telling people to kill themselves. From what I have read, Holmes is looking at the trade as the Jets acceptance of his problems and a better fit for him.

chiefnut
04-15-2010, 04:34 PM
the steelers dumped him for what they could get, he is suspended for the first 4 games this year and is in his final contract year so a former super bowl mvp UFA will be lookin for big $ contract next year and the steelers wouldn't pay it even if he was a perfect angel, then they would get nuttin honey. we need a 16game plus receiver not 12 and gone