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matthewschiefs
04-24-2010, 02:02 AM
Ok while I can't say that I am 100% thrilled about the picks that we have made so far Reading some of the post on here you would think that this team took a HUGE step backwards.And we are going to be 0-16 this season.

Simpy put its far to early to tell. The picks have not even gotten into one preseason game so we don't no what we got yet.

Mccluster might turn out to be a weapon on offense. Some are compareing him to wes welker. If and Yes it is a big if he is close to that then I am happy with the pick.

I no its not the draft that some wanted. We didnt get tate or whoever eles many wanted. But if you look at Piolis history this is how he drafts. Tom Brady was thought to be nothing more then a backup when he was drafted. That turned out well. We might not have got a Tom Brady in this draft but its far to early to start doubting the direction of this team. While i am not 100% happy about what we have done I think before people start jumping off the bridge we should at least see them play. :chiefs:

Connie Jo
04-24-2010, 02:10 AM
Rep!!! :)

Hayvern
04-24-2010, 02:11 AM
Ok while I can't say that I am 100% thrilled about the picks that we have made so far Reading some of the post on here you would think that this team took a HUGE step backwards.And we are going to be 0-16 this season.

Simpy put its far to early to tell. The picks have not even gotten into one preseason game so we don't no what we got yet.

Mccluster might turn out to be a weapon on offense. Some are compareing him to wes welker. If and Yes it is a big if he is close to that then I am happy with the pick.

I no its not the draft that some wanted. We didnt get tate or whoever eles many wanted. But if you look at Piolis history this is how he drafts. Tom Brady was thought to be nothing more then a backup when he was drafted. That turned out well. We might not have got a Tom Brady in this draft but its far to early to start doubting the direction of this team. While i am not 100% happy about what we have done I think before people start jumping off the bridge we should at least see them play. :chiefs:

I am largely alright with the first pick, Eric Berry, while I did not think Pioli was going to take him, was a good choice and will do well for the team.

McCluster was a wasted pick. I give him a 50/50 shot at even making the team at this point. He was a huge surprise that the Chiefs took him and when you consider who we got in the next pick you have to be left scratching your head as to why we went this way.

I hope the kid turns out to be the next Darren Sproles, but he seems to be more like Dantrell Savage with everything I have heard about him.

The Cornerback we picked up was a good choice, as was the guard, both of those guys are great and needed additions. The choice of that Tight End in the last pick we made? That was anothe failure picking a guy that is so injury prone. I think he was picked mainly for his work ethic more than any real talent, but I seriously don't expect him to make the team. Practice team anyone? Injured reserve?

I really do hate to be so negative, but so far, I would grade this draft a C+ by what I know. I hope I am wrong though.

bigpoppachief
04-24-2010, 02:21 AM
C + more like a B..... I say this because McCluster is SCARY ! Defenses will have to plan for the possibilities of using him in our offense have a two back set with him and JC Thats a D coord nightmare ! Plus he can run routes ! I am excited about the guy would I have taken him that high probably not but now that he is a Chief I just am going to be thankful for what he can do and watch him on sundays for the CHIEFS ! Im not saying they are going to be superstars BUT they are good enough to make the team and see posts about them not even getting past training camp. I think Pioli knows what he is doing and thats why we are talking about it and hes doing it !

LOL Watch the tackle at 0:17 CLASSIC

YouTube- Dexter Mccluster short career Highlight Vid

chief31
04-24-2010, 02:21 AM
I don't have any problems with the players chosen. I haven't seen much of most of them.

And I am still pretty optimistic about the coming season. The rest of the division is dying, and the Coordinators, alone, could pop us right into contention.

But I can't not be dissapointed that we failed, if not refused, to address the most glaring needs on this team.

We had some major problems last season, and little has been done to rectify the problems, from a talent standpoint.

Now maybe the same guys who managed to be horrible for the past year or two will turn it around, with the help of real coordinators. But I think it would have been far more likely, had we improved on those players.

Draft grade? D+ ... So far. Unlikely to improve from the fifth round.

kcnation
04-24-2010, 02:26 AM
this draft did not help us at all.we did not address the major needs .we got players who most of them will not even make the team.....very poor drafting imo....why did we ever change front office people if the results would be the same or worse


im highly disappointed!!!!

bigpoppachief
04-24-2010, 02:28 AM
I don't have any problems with the players chosen. I haven't seen much of most of them.

And I am still pretty optimistic about the coming season. The rest of the division is dying, and the Coordinators, alone, could pop us right into contention.

But I can't not be dissapointed that we failed, if not refused, to address the most glaring needs on this team.

We had some major problems last season, and little has been done to rectify the problems, from a talent standpoint.

Now maybe the same guys who managed to be horrible for the past year or two will turn it around, with the help of real coordinators. But I think it would have been far more likely, had we improved on those players.

Draft grade? D+ ... So far. Unlikely to improve from the fifth round.

I do not agree with a D+ because of Berry and Arenas alone would make our grade a B at least. Mccluster is a MONSTER I promise ! I do agree I would not of taken him myself and would address and OLD honestly BUT he is on the team now so I am excited but a D is harsh. I guess only time will tell I hope we can say I am right and you werew rong but you really never know until it gets here :D

Hayvern
04-24-2010, 02:30 AM
C + more like a B..... I say this because McCluster is SCARY ! Defenses will have to plan for the possibilities of using him in our offense have a two back set with him and JC Thats a D coord nightmare ! Plus he can run routes ! I am excited about the guy would I have taken him that high probably not but now that he is a Chief I just am going to be thankful for what he can do and watch him on sundays for the CHIEFS ! Im not saying they are going to be superstars BUT they are good enough to make the team and see posts about them not even getting past training camp. I think Pioli knows what he is doing and thats why we are talking about it and hes doing it !

LOL Watch the tackle at 0:17 CLASSIC

YouTube- Dexter Mccluster short career Highlight Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb-chWh64Dc&feature=PlayList&p=483975A83B05E0EC&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=52)

I can't help but wonder how many of these teams we see him running against had top rated defenses. The guy is certainly faster than his combine numbers would show.

I hope I am wrong, but I just can't help but think that we could have gotten another kick-*** receiver for Cassel to throw to, or a better linebacker.

I am not one of those guys that think we needed to do something with the defensive line, I am alright with who we have. But I do believe we needed to get a real life Offensive tackle and a linebacker in this draft. Maybe Pioli has his eyes out for the post draft releases as serviceable players to get us through and I hope it works out.

Here are the pros and cons from the scouts for something to chew on.

Pros: Much like Percy Harvin, McCluster is an all-purpose offensive threat that can hurt you running the ball out of multiple formations, as well as lining up at quarterback, receiver and return man. The obvious difference between the two is that Harvin is a much bigger and powerful player, whereas the 5’7’ 160-pound McCluster is a tiny performer, which defenders have a hard time seeing in traffic. Years ago, more NFL teams would’ve shied away from taking a shot on such a small athlete, but as the pro game has slowly evolved to where offenses are now incorporating elements of the Wildcat and various read-option plays, McCluster has some definite value.
Cons: As a receiver, the diminutive weapon has terrific hands to catch the ball away from his body, but might have some problems getting off the line of scrimmage in traditional sets. His size may make him difficult to see on deeper routes, which probably makes McCluster a more viable option on short screens and quick out routes. His ball security has also been suspect when running in traffic. McCluster tends to hold the ball in the wrong arm (opposite sideline) when running down the sidelines. Durability issues do exist here with the senior, who has missed time with shoulder and ankle injuries.

Hayvern
04-24-2010, 02:34 AM
My biggest concern with taking Berry is whether we will be able to afford him if he does pan out to be the player everyone expects him to be. KC does not have a lot of money and if the bargaining agreement does not come through, the way safeties are getting paid these days, it is very possible he is making 15 to 20 million per year alone.

We can't let that stop us from getting him though, and he was a good pick.

whatwasthat?
04-24-2010, 02:40 AM
when people say that these players will not make the team...they are just stating ignorant and highly emotional remarks

can you really call that at this point? from what i can see all these players offer an improvement for whatever position they fill

Hayvern
04-24-2010, 02:47 AM
when people say that these players will not make the team...they are just stating ignorant and highly emotional remarks

can you really call that at this point? from what i can see all these players offer an improvement for whatever position they fill

Sure it is emotional, I am pissed about those seemingly idiotic picks. Do I think the second round pick will make the team? Yeah, he will make it, Areanas will likely make it as will Asamoah. But that tight end, Moaeki? I think at that late pick in the draft, you have about a fifty-fifty chance of making it anyway if I remember correctly.

So the odds are not good for him to start out with, a couple of injuries and he is done. So can I call it that? Who knows, anything can happen.

chief31
04-24-2010, 02:47 AM
I do not agree with a D+ because of Berry and Arenas alone would make our grade a B at least. Mccluster is a MONSTER I promise ! I do agree I would not of taken him myself and would address and OLD honestly BUT he is on the team now so I am excited but a D is harsh. I guess only time will tell I hope we can say I am right and you werew rong but you really never know until it gets here :D

1st pick FS/SS (C+). He is so hyped, I have to give an above average grade for drafting a slightly less significant position. And it did address one of our bigger areas of need.

2nd pick - KR/Slot WR (D-). If we were a team who's major needs were as insignificant as KR and #3 WR, then it would have been a pretty good pick. But we are not that good. We have major needs at very important positions.

3rd pick - KR/Nickle (F). Having already addressed the KR position, and still ignored the major needs, a Nickleback, who is only on the field for a handful of plays, is a terrible decision.

4th pick - OG (B-). The O-line has been pretty terrible. And the addition of Lilja doesn't really look like an improvement. But, with a roster full of OGs and hardly a true OT to mention, it sure seems like the wrong position of the O-line to address, and possibly too late.

5th pick - TE (C+). Once again a position of lesser need. But still a need. This grade, aslo, would be higher if our major needs had already been met. And the fact that we had to use two picks to get this one slightly decreases it's value.

Overall - D+. This team was among the absolute worst in pass rush, pass protection and run defense. After this draft, none of that has been changed.

We drafted as if we were a team that had all the major pieces in place, and were looking to fine-tune it. Wrong team.

bigpoppachief
04-24-2010, 02:51 AM
I can't help but wonder how many of these teams we see him running against had top rated defenses. The guy is certainly faster than his combine numbers would show.

I hope I am wrong, but I just can't help but think that we could have gotten another kick-*** receiver for Cassel to throw to, or a better linebacker.

I am not one of those guys that think we needed to do something with the defensive line, I am alright with who we have. But I do believe we needed to get a real life Offensive tackle and a linebacker in this draft. Maybe Pioli has his eyes out for the post draft releases as serviceable players to get us through and I hope it works out.

Here are the pros and cons from the scouts for something to chew on.

Pros: Much like Percy Harvin, McCluster is an all-purpose offensive threat that can hurt you running the ball out of multiple formations, as well as lining up at quarterback, receiver and return man. The obvious difference between the two is that Harvin is a much bigger and powerful player, whereas the 5’7’ 160-pound McCluster is a tiny performer, which defenders have a hard time seeing in traffic. Years ago, more NFL teams would’ve shied away from taking a shot on such a small athlete, but as the pro game has slowly evolved to where offenses are now incorporating elements of the Wildcat and various read-option plays, McCluster has some definite value.
Cons: As a receiver, the diminutive weapon has terrific hands to catch the ball away from his body, but might have some problems getting off the line of scrimmage in traditional sets. His size may make him difficult to see on deeper routes, which probably makes McCluster a more viable option on short screens and quick out routes. His ball security has also been suspect when running in traffic. McCluster tends to hold the ball in the wrong arm (opposite sideline) when running down the sidelines. Durability issues do exist here with the senior, who has missed time with shoulder and ankle injuries.


Yeah I read something about the Raiders may be releasing Kirk Morrison due to contract issues and now they signed McClain if thats true and we coudl grab him up that would be Awesome and as for McCluster against good Defenses Well I will include all the big name schools in SEC

Alabama he only had 6 carries

Arkansas had 22 carries for 123 yds 5.6 average

7 rec for 137 yds 19.6 average

Auburn

22 carries 186 yds 8.5 average

Tenn ( A very good Defense)

25 carries 282 yds 11.3 average

LSU

24 carries 148 yds 6.2 average

Cotton Bowl Oklahoma state

34 carries 184 yds 5.4 avg.


These are some impressive numbers and against two good Defenses in LSU and Tenn just some food for thought :F


*got stats from Dexter McCluster Stats, News, Photos - Mississippi Rebels - NCAA College Football - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=191216)



Arkansas (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=8)W 30-17 (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=292970145) 221235.6190713719.66410010/31@Auburn (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2)L 33-20 (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=293040002) 221868.5

chief31
04-24-2010, 02:53 AM
Sure it is emotional, I am pissed about those seemingly idiotic picks. Do I think the second round pick will make the team? Yeah, he will make it, Areanas will likely make it as will Asamoah. But that tight end, Moaeki? I think at that late pick in the draft, you have about a fifty-fifty chance of making it anyway if I remember correctly.

So the odds are not good for him to start out with, a couple of injuries and he is done. So can I call it that? Who knows, anything can happen.

With the "Get rid of Herm's guys" mentallity, I see almost everyone they draft making the team. Especially if they were so high on a guy as to use two picks to get him.

Most will make the team rather they actually deserve the spot, or not.

endzonewillie
04-24-2010, 03:11 AM
All Tony Moeaki doubters, watch this video,
YouTube- 2009 Iowa Hawkeye Football - Tony Moeaki Tribute

AussieChiefsFan
04-24-2010, 03:16 AM
All Tony Moeaki doubters, watch this video,
YouTube- 2009 Iowa Hawkeye Football - Tony Moeaki Tribute (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GoGPZ-43CY)
Nice video. I dont get why people hate the draft picks so far anyway.

endzonewillie
04-24-2010, 03:20 AM
Nice video. I dont get why people hate the draft picks so far anyway.
From what I can tell if most people don't see the people they think should be drafted picked they get angered over the ones that are picked. I personally like the picks we have made and when they are added to the FA pick ups we got this offseason I would say the Chiefs should kick major azz. Just one fans opinion.
:chiefs:

Hayvern
04-24-2010, 03:23 AM
Nice video. I dont get why people hate the draft picks so far anyway.

Because we really needed to address other needs. That is the only reason for me.

endzonewillie
04-24-2010, 03:32 AM
Because we really needed to address other needs. That is the only reason for me.
Apparently Scott Pioli seen something none of us including the so called experts did not see. That is why he makes the money he makes and none of us do. I hope that things work out for the team no matter what happens. I like the draft 2010 for KC. I don't see any bad picks but what do I know?

Hayvern
04-24-2010, 03:37 AM
From what I can tell if most people don't see the people they think should be drafted picked they get angered over the ones that are picked. I personally like the picks we have made and when they are added to the FA pick ups we got this offseason I would say the Chiefs should kick major azz. Just one fans opinion.
:chiefs:

I kinda look at it this way. I have a Ferrari (not really). I also have a family, a wife and three kids. We are in the market for a new car. Now I know I need something that will carry the family around, but I go out and buy a Corvette. Yeah, it is prettier, faster, and more exciting, but it did not address what I needed, something that would carry my family around.

Of course it is not my money on the line with this team, only my hopes that we will build a winner.

endzonewillie
04-24-2010, 03:45 AM
I kinda look at it this way. I have a Ferrari (not really). I also have a family, a wife and three kids. We are in the market for a new car. Now I know I need something that will carry the family around, but I go out and buy a Corvette. Yeah, it is prettier, faster, and more exciting, but it did not address what I needed, something that would carry my family around.

Of course it is not my money on the line with this team, only my hopes that we will build a winner.I see where your coming from. The thing to keep in mind is NFL teams don't need to totally bank on the draft to complete the objective of need. Free agency is now a huge part of the scheme and our FA pick ups have been very good so far this year. Combine that with the draft and things look much better .:bananen_smilies046:

AussieChiefsFan
04-24-2010, 03:59 AM
From what I can tell if most people don't see the people they think should be drafted picked they get angered over the ones that are picked. I personally like the picks we have made and when they are added to the FA pick ups we got this offseason I would say the Chiefs should kick major azz. Just one fans opinion.
:chiefs:
I agree! So long to all the people that are saying its ages until a playoff berth!

chief31
04-24-2010, 04:47 AM
All Tony Moeaki doubters, watch this video,
YouTube- 2009 Iowa Hawkeye Football - Tony Moeaki Tribute (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GoGPZ-43CY)

Look, it's not that people have a real problem with the players that we now have from the draft. It's that we did nothing to address the huge gaping holes that caused to be among the league's worst in pass-protection, pass-rush and run defense.

But I will say that this highlight reel must be lacking in something. There really isn't anything impressive about it. Not one amazing catch. Not a single broken tackle. Just alot of pedestrian TE catches.

But then, as i hear it, he is supposed to be a blocking TE anyway, so.. Meh.

jb908
04-24-2010, 03:09 PM
This is the end of the world. I hope so... The world we have been living in doesn't get us any game time after week 17

endzonewillie
04-24-2010, 03:18 PM
Look, it's not that people have a real problem with the players that we now have from the draft. It's that we did nothing to address the huge gaping holes that caused to be among the league's worst in pass-protection, pass-rush and run defense.

But I will say that this highlight reel must be lacking in something. There really isn't anything impressive about it. Not one amazing catch. Not a single broken tackle. Just alot of pedestrian TE catches.

But then, as i hear it, he is supposed to be a blocking TE anyway, so.. Meh.
So when he leaped over that northwestern player who was standing straight up was not breaking a tackle? How about the catch he made with 2 Indiana DBs covering him not a fantastik catch? Ok , the catch in the endzone against Northweatern , he should have gotten 2 feet in bounds but he was 1 inch from that. I am not saying he is the worlds greatest but he is better than Cottam.

chief31
04-24-2010, 11:32 PM
So when he leaped over that northwestern player who was standing straight up was not breaking a tackle?

This highlight is at 1:15 into the video. And no. Seeing as hos the guy still made the tackle, this is not a broken tackle. A nice move to gain an extra yard or two. But not a broken tackle.


How about the catch he made with 2 Indiana DBs covering him not a fantastik catch?

I am guessing that this is the play at about 3:15?

It was a poor pass, that bounced off of a defender and dropped right into his hands. Fun to watch, but there is nothing special about what Tony did there.


Ok , the catch in the endzone against Northweatern , he should have gotten 2 feet in bounds but he was 1 inch from that. I am not saying he is the worlds greatest but he is better than Cottam.

That play is at about 1:23. And he didn't need two feet in-bounds. It's college. That's a TD. But the ball would have hit him in the chest or helmet had he not put his hands up. Good catch for a TD. But nothing really amazing about it.

He may be a very good TE. But this particular video doesn't show anything all that special.

And what makes him better than Cottam?

YouTube- Brad Cottam Gets Hit

YouTube- Brad Cottam 2007 highlights