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slc chief
04-24-2010, 01:52 PM
the jets just dropped the pro bowl guard

Vanilla Garilla
04-24-2010, 01:53 PM
the jets just dropped the pro bowl guard

Sweet!

slc chief
04-24-2010, 01:55 PM
adam schefter syas it is due to his slary and because they took a guard high in the draft.he is still a very good guard could be a possibility for the chiefs

slc chief
04-24-2010, 01:57 PM
the jets were also trying to deal him in the draft but nobody wanted to take on his currant salary

yashi
04-24-2010, 01:57 PM
Faneca is really bad now. I know he was really good when he was younger, but now he was very bad last season despite making the pro bowl because of his name.

ProFootballFocus.com - By Position (http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=G&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1)

We're set at OG now anyway with Waters, Asamoah, and Lilja.

jap1
04-24-2010, 02:03 PM
The question is whether he is better than Waters or Lilja.

If the Jets tried to trade him and failed, it probably means we wont be able to trade someone like Waters if we wanted to.

marloweopatchiefs
04-24-2010, 02:08 PM
I see that cause of his contract no one wanted to take his contract. Kc should see if they could land him. he was a pro bowl guard

DMN
04-24-2010, 03:07 PM
I see that cause of his contract no one wanted to take his contract. Kc should see if they could land him. he was a pro bowl guard

Yeah but I think "was" is the key here. I question his production. Larry johnson was a pro bowl HB.

bwilliams
04-24-2010, 03:10 PM
We don't need anymore interior linemen. Why would you replace Waters with Faneca? We need legit OTs and a new C.

endzonewillie
04-24-2010, 03:36 PM
We don't need anymore interior linemen. Why would you replace Waters with Faneca? We need legit OTs and a new C.
You didn't know we picked up Chris Weigman in this offseason? We don't need a C we need a RT that is about it on the line at this point. Do some research please.

dad005
04-24-2010, 03:40 PM
You didn't know we picked up Chris Weigman in this offseason? We don't need a C we need a RT that is about it on the line at this point. Do some research please.

Maybe you need to your research...his name is Casey Wiegmann.

bwilliams
04-24-2010, 03:40 PM
You didn't know we picked up Chris Weigman in this offseason? We don't need a C we need a RT that is about it on the line at this point. Do some research please.

I've said many times we picked up Weigmann (do your own research champ). An undersized 37-year-old is not the answer at the position.

endzonewillie
04-24-2010, 03:42 PM
I've said many times we picked up Weigmann (do your own research champ). An undersized 37-year-old is not the answer at the position.
Yea, you definately need to research Weigman was a Chief when we were getting 1800+ yards from our running game. He can do the job in a Zone blocking scheme which is what the Chiefs emplor. It isn't me that needs to do research to learn CHAMP.

bwilliams
04-24-2010, 03:48 PM
Yea, you definately need to research Weigman was a Chief when we were getting 1800+ yards from our running game. He can do the job in a Zone blocking scheme which is what the Chiefs emplor. It isn't me that needs to do research to learn CHAMP.

Yeah, he did fine with Shields, Waters, Roaf, and the rest about four-five years ago. Back when he was 32-33.

You do realize, don't you, that players tend to get worse as they get older? And that an undersized player can only perform if the other members of the OL aren't undersized?

Have you actually ever watched a football game? Or is your knowledge just coming from Madden?

dad005
04-24-2010, 03:49 PM
Yea, you definately need to research Weigman was a Chief when we were getting 1800+ yards from our running game. He can do the job in a Zone blocking scheme which is what the Chiefs emplor. It isn't me that needs to do research to learn CHAMP.

This was also 6 or 7 years ago, when Casey was in his prime. He also had Willie Roaf, Will Shields, and Brian Waters alongside him. Roaf and Shields are Hall of Famers for sure and Waters is another one of the best to play for the Chiefs. Wiegmann was part of a great offensive line while in his prime, he is now 37 yrs old with no where near the support he had back then.

Bottom line is that we need help at the tackles and yes, we need a young C who can learn from Wiegmann for a year and take over for the next year because Wiegmann is just about done. I give him this year and he will retire where he belongs, as a Kansas City Chief.

endzonewillie
04-24-2010, 03:53 PM
This was also 6 or 7 years ago, when Casey was in his prime. He also had Willie Roaf, Will Shields, and Brian Waters alongside him. Roaf and Shields are Hall of Famers for sure and Waters is another one of the best to play for the Chiefs. Wiegmann was part of a great offensive line while in his prime, he is now 37 yrs old with no where near the support he had back then.

Bottom line is that we need help at the tackles and yes, we need a young C who can learn from Wiegmann for a year and take over for the next year because Wiegmann is just about done. I give him this year and he will retire where he belongs, as a Kansas City Chief.
Time and age have no bounds when it comes to life. It is what the man can do and obviously Weigman can still get it done. There isn't anyone in this draft that Pioli wanted or we wouldn't have picked Chris up before the draft. Yes he did have a supporting cast but Waters is still here and Lilja is no slouch. People are going to be very surprised at how well our line works together in 2010.

dad005
04-24-2010, 03:56 PM
Time and age have no bounds when it comes to life. It is what the man can do and obviously Weigman can still get it done. There isn't anyone in this draft that Pioli wanted or we wouldn't have picked Chris up before the draft. Yes he did have a supporting cast but Waters is still here and Lilja is no slouch. People are going to be very surprised at how well our line works together in 2010.

Being the huge Chiefs fan that you are, when are you going to learn that his name is Casey Wiegmann, not Chris Weigman?

Before you go and build a statue for this guy, you should probably at least get his name right.

endzonewillie
04-24-2010, 03:59 PM
Being the huge Chiefs fan that you are, when are you going to learn that his name is Casey Wiegmann, not Chris Weigman?

Before you go and build a statue for this guy, you should probably at least get his name right.
Sorry for not being perfect but I don't worry about the proper typing style or spelling that I have . Apparently you want to argue so I am done speaking with you thanks for your correction.

bwilliams
04-24-2010, 04:00 PM
Time and age have no bounds when it comes to life.

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bwilliams
04-24-2010, 04:01 PM
Sorry for not being perfect but I don't worry about the proper typing style or spelling that I have . Apparently you want to argue so I am done speaking with you thanks for your correction.

It's because you obviously don't know who the man is or how good he is. You're just going off what you read.

endzonewillie
04-24-2010, 04:03 PM
It's because you obviously don't know who the man is or how good he is. You're just going off what you read.
In 50 yrs I have never watched a Chiefs game. :sign0104: :mancard:

Coach
04-24-2010, 04:04 PM
Can't we all just get along? Faneca seems like a NY versiion of Brian Waters. Pro-bowl G that is past his prime with maybe 1-2 years left in the tank.

I doubt the Chiefs will be looking to bring in that type of player. He could be better than lilja or waters, but marginally. And with his salary demands, I doubt that we would use a roster spot on him.

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endzonewillie
04-24-2010, 04:10 PM
Can't we all just get along? Faneca seems like a NY versiion of Brian Waters. Pro-bowl G that is past his prime with maybe 1-2 years left in the tank.

I doubt the Chiefs will be looking to bring in that type of player. He could be better than lilja or waters, but marginally. And with his salary demands, I doubt that we would use a roster spot on him.

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Pioli won't take Faneca based on his age and salary as you stated. If and it is a huge if that he could still get it done past the age of 40 he may be a good pick up but that is a very huge if.

bwilliams
04-24-2010, 04:12 PM
In 50 yrs I have never watched a Chiefs game. :sign0104: :mancard:

You've been watching since you were -38?

endzonewillie
04-24-2010, 04:21 PM
You've been watching since you were -38?
yea I was 38 in 1960. oof you really need to grow up.:mancard:

DMN
04-24-2010, 04:22 PM
Pioli won't take Faneca based on his age and salary as you stated. If and it is a huge if that he could still get it done past the age of 40 he may be a good pick up but that is a very huge if.

We just signed Casey Wiegman at 37. How could you possibly assume Pioli wont sign any player cause of age. To me it seems very apparent that Pioli is only interested in getting guys in here that fits his mold.

Before any more of this Piloi wont do this or that... Go back and read thread after thread about how Pioli will NEVER draft Eric Berry.

I think it is safe to say that the majority of us don't know ****!!! (and since I know it is sensored, It is crap... but the bad word)

bwilliams
04-24-2010, 04:23 PM
yea I was 38 in 1960. oof you really need to grow up.:mancard:

That would explain it. I figured it was either senility or immaturity.

honda522
04-24-2010, 07:57 PM
....For a reason.

chief31
04-24-2010, 09:27 PM
Faneca is really bad now. I know he was really good when he was younger, but now he was very bad last season despite making the pro bowl because of his name.

ProFootballFocus.com - By Position (http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=G&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1)

We're set at OG now anyway with Waters, Asamoah, and Lilja.

Yeah, he was clearly horrible. And somehow, the Jets managed to be the top rushing team in The NFL.

He continued to mangle defenders in '09, just as he had done in previous years while clearing paths for Jerome Bettis and Willie Parker.

Not that we should go get him. We have a roster fuill of OGs. But there was nothing wrong with his play in '09. The Jets will regret losing him.


You didn't know we picked up Chris Weigman in this offseason? We don't need a C we need a RT that is about it on the line at this point. Do some research please.

Research? What do you want research for? So you can use blind faith to trump logic?

Nah. The evidence against our O-line is all around you. I'm not going to waste time pointing you in the right direction, just to have you close your eyes.

chief31
04-24-2010, 09:31 PM
Can't we all just get along? Faneca seems like a NY versiion of Brian Waters. Pro-bowl G that is past his prime with maybe 1-2 years left in the tank.

I doubt the Chiefs will be looking to bring in that type of player. He could be better than lilja or waters, but marginally. And with his salary demands, I doubt that we would use a roster spot on him.



I don't want to have us run off and chase Faneca. But he is getting a bad rap.

Since he arrived in New York, the Jets have gone from 19th (2007, prior to Faneca) to 9th (2008) to 1st (2009) in rushing, in the NFL.

yashi
04-25-2010, 12:18 AM
Yeah, he was clearly horrible. And somehow, the Jets managed to be the top rushing team in The NFL.
Sigh.. sometimes I think you argue with me for the sake of arguing, chief. It's easy to look decent when you have D'Brickashaw Ferguson on one side and Nick Mangold on the other.

Rotoworld:

The headline here reads "Jets release Pro Bowl G Alan Faneca." A Pro Bowler Faneca was in 2009, but he sure didn't play like it.

Yahoo:

LG Alan Faneca has been released by the Jets, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. Faneca, 32, was due to earn $7.5 million in 2010. The Jets had been trying to trade Faneca, whose pass protection has started to decline in recent seasons.

Chris Mortensen:

Faneca still a punch pail guy, run blocker; has become liability in pass protection but has to be asset w Jets owing him the money

Sure he can still run block. But hasn't the point of our offensive line overhaul been about finding a way to keep Cassel from getting murdered like he was last season?

slc chief
04-25-2010, 01:07 AM
That would explain it. I figured it was either senility or immaturity.
dude your bashing of the chiefs and forum members on here is getting old especially your bashing of everything chief

bwilliams
04-25-2010, 01:13 AM
dude your bashing of the chiefs and forum members on here is getting old especially your bashing of everything chief

Fortunately, I don't care what you think. If you don't like what I post, put me on ignore.

Bike
04-25-2010, 01:25 AM
Fortunately, I don't care what you think. If you don't like what I post, put me on ignore.
I just put myself on ignore. Now I can't see any of my posts...

Hayvern
04-25-2010, 01:30 AM
You didn't know we picked up Chris Weigman in this offseason? We don't need a C we need a RT that is about it on the line at this point. Do some research please.

Dude, we had Weigmann a couple of years ago and he was let go because he was not that good. He went to Denver and had some success behind a much better line than ours.

Now he is back, but he is old and has lost a step or three. He clearly is not the future of this team. This team needs a center, do not be surprised if Asamoah is called upon to backup that position.

Bike
04-25-2010, 01:42 AM
Our entire OL sucks - save Albert (average) and Asamoah (don't know yet). A great OL takes a couple years to gel with each other. We brought in some stop-gaps, thats it. Not much gelling going on here if they're only here a year - two at the most...

chief31
04-25-2010, 09:06 AM
Sigh.. sometimes I think you argue with me for the sake of arguing, chief. It's easy to look decent when you have D'Brickashaw Ferguson on one side and Nick Mangold on the other.

Rotoworld:


Yahoo:


Chris Mortensen:


Sure he can still run block. But hasn't the point of our offensive line overhaul been about finding a way to keep Cassel from getting murdered like he was last season?

He was a run-blocking specialist from day one. And he was soft in pass-protection from day one. No decline. I seen him in five games and alot of game clips through '09. He looked just like he did with Pittsburgh, where I saw alot more of him.

He would be an asset to any team looking to "pound the rock".

And, just watch and see if The Jets' running game, even with LT, doesn't show a very noticable decline.

By the way, you said ya think I argue with you for the sake of arguing. Do we have some other "argument" going on somewhere?

Don't go taking it personally. Had I agreed with your opinion, I would't have offered an opposing viewpoint.

70 chiefsfan70
04-25-2010, 09:39 AM
Our OL is not as bad as every one here makes it sound..... last year they were under coached(or not coached)

When the QB holds the ball too long because the receivers can't get open, or just because he does not get rid of the ball....As we all know he had the leading sacks when he was with the Pats.....Its NOT our OL's fault that he doesnt get the ball to the WR's or that the WR's don't get open.

This year will be so different, we have coaches, better WR speed (Thanks to the heads up thinking of our coaches on the draft) A TE that can block and catch(once again good job GM and Coaches)

With our new coaches and all of the same players we had last year we would win at least 4 more games.

This is by far the best off season we've had in years!!!!!!!!!!!

WOO HOO IM FIRED UP BABY!!!!!!

honda522
04-25-2010, 10:58 AM
Our OL is not as bad as every one here makes it sound..... last year they were under coached(or not coached)

When the QB holds the ball too long because the receivers can't get open, or just because he does not get rid of the ball....As we all know he had the leading sacks when he was with the Pats.....Its NOT our OL's fault that he doesnt get the ball to the WR's or that the WR's don't get open.

This year will be so different, we have coaches, better WR speed (Thanks to the heads up thinking of our coaches on the draft) A TE that can block and catch(once again good job GM and Coaches)

With our new coaches and all of the same players we had last year we would win at least 4 more games.

This is by far the best off season we've had in years!!!!!!!!!!!

WOO HOO IM FIRED UP BABY!!!!!!
Remember some guy that was here causing trouble and still is around the league made it look worse than it really was..

Coach
04-25-2010, 05:40 PM
That would explain it. I figured it was either senility or immaturity.

Please be respectful of all members. Remember, they are Chiefs fans.


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