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bspray
06-13-2010, 02:59 PM
Would you trade Derrick Johnson for Roy Williams straight up?

Why or why not?

I ask this because I think Roy would be a great addition to the Chiefs wideouts and might be exactly the deep threat this team needs.

In addition to that, in spite of how great I think Derrick Johnson is (and still could become), I don't think Todd Haley likes him. He certainly has value and he is at the end of his contract.

Thoughts?

Brian

stricken721
06-13-2010, 03:11 PM
Would you trade Derrick Johnson for Roy Williams straight up?

Why or why not?

I ask this because I think Roy would be a great addition to the Chiefs wideouts and might be exactly the deep threat this team needs.

In addition to that, in spite of how great I think Derrick Johnson is (and still could become), I don't think Todd Haley likes him. He certainly has value and he is at the end of his contract.

Thoughts?

Brian

I want to say yes, because I believe we need a better receiving corps. But I want to say no because our LB corps is not that great, so why get rid of some talent that we do have there? Would a trade like this happen? Probably not considering what Dallas gave up to get Roy Williams. If we would have added more depth in free agency and in the draft at the LB position I would have been fine with a trade like this, but until the depth at the LB is position is stronger, we can't be getting rid of anybody.

pbatrucker
06-13-2010, 03:41 PM
NO! Roy Williams isn't that good. Haley would run his lazy *** out of town before the season started.
I think DJ understands that if doesn't produce this year, his chance for a big paycheck are slim to none.

matthewschiefs
06-13-2010, 05:01 PM
To me it would all depend on what Haley has planned for DJ. If DJ still does not fit into what Haley has planed for the defense then I would say yes. It would be a good trade for the Chiefs to make. We could still use a little help at the WR spot.

If Haley has plans to use DJ then No. DJ can get after the passer a little and as I have said all offseason I think that this is the biggest need for the Chiefs at this point. It would all depend on what Haley and the new coaches have planned for DJ.

I dont think Roy Williams is a big upgrade at wr hes not been the same reciver over the past couple of years. I would rather have DJ my self.

bwilliams
06-13-2010, 05:34 PM
Would you trade Derrick Johnson for Roy Williams straight up?

Why or why not?

I ask this because I think Roy would be a great addition to the Chiefs wideouts and might be exactly the deep threat this team needs.

In addition to that, in spite of how great I think Derrick Johnson is (and still could become), I don't think Todd Haley likes him. He certainly has value and he is at the end of his contract.

Thoughts?

Brian

Actually, that would be a terrific trade. DJ is gone in 2011 anyway, and he's a poor fit for our defense. We'd be basically taking a flyer on Williams being 2007-era Lions Williams as opposed to 2008/09-era Lions/Cowboys Williams. His salary is pretty high, but we could cut him in the offseason if he turns out to be a bust.

Might as well get something for DJ, even if its only a chance at a 1WR, while we can.

honda522
06-13-2010, 07:20 PM
Roy Williams is terrible...no.

hometeam
06-13-2010, 09:58 PM
My question is why would this thought even cross someones mind.

bspray
06-13-2010, 11:23 PM
My question is why would this thought even cross someones mind.

Because, living in Texas, there is a lot of talk down here about Roy Williams obsolecense with the acquisition of Dez Bryant. Derrick Johnson is a UT graduate, just like Roy Williams, and Dallas loves having state school alum on the team.

While I love DJ and I think he is a tremendous asset to the Chiefs, I am enough of a realist to see that Haley doesn't exactly feel the same way.

Roy Williams has struggled in Dallas but could very likely be a star again on the Chiefs. DJ is a second stringer in KC, at the end of his rookie contract and would be a welcome addition to the Cowboys.

To me it makes a lot of sense for both teams IF, and ONLY IF, Haley feels the same way about DJ this year as he did last year. If DJ blows up this year and becomes a Pro Bowl LB then I would think the Chiefs would be smart enough to resign him.

Anyway, that is why the thought would cross someone's mind. Feel free to get back to all the really important discussion that was going on before I interupted...

Brian

yashi
06-13-2010, 11:32 PM
I think Roy Williams is really overrated and has been his whole career, and ILB is a position of need for us. So I'm not a fan. We already have 2 good wideouts plus now McCluster to handle the slot.

Chiefster
06-14-2010, 12:28 AM
No, because. :D

hometeam
06-14-2010, 01:29 AM
I understand the what if part, I just dont understand where a WR (we have what 10 wrs on the roster already?) who is more hype than talent is worth anything to KC~

Seek
06-14-2010, 10:26 AM
Roy Williams has been a bust which is why He is now looking at a third team. In two years.

Derrick Johnson has talent and has proven to be a game changer. We just need to coach him and then use him to the best of his abilities.

DJ brings more value to the Chiefs than Roy Williams.

Ryfo18
06-14-2010, 10:34 AM
Because, living in Texas, there is a lot of talk down here about Roy Williams obsolecense with the acquisition of Dez Bryant. Derrick Johnson is a UT graduate, just like Roy Williams, and Dallas loves having state school alum on the team.

While I love DJ and I think he is a tremendous asset to the Chiefs, I am enough of a realist to see that Haley doesn't exactly feel the same way.

Roy Williams has struggled in Dallas but could very likely be a star again on the Chiefs. DJ is a second stringer in KC, at the end of his rookie contract and would be a welcome addition to the Cowboys.

To me it makes a lot of sense for both teams IF, and ONLY IF, Haley feels the same way about DJ this year as he did last year. If DJ blows up this year and becomes a Pro Bowl LB then I would think the Chiefs would be smart enough to resign him.

Anyway, that is why the thought would cross someone's mind. Feel free to get back to all the really important discussion that was going on before I interupted...

Brian

Roy Williams was a star? He has consistently been an under achiever his whole career. I'll take my chances on DJ.

KC fan 01
06-14-2010, 01:20 PM
I would not trade for Roy Williams. I strongly believe in the Chiefs keeping the WR's and LB's they have now, b/c I trust that if Bowe can play the entire season this year and Chambers produces like the end of last year that KC will be fine. Roy Williams, while making some great catches, also drops a lot of passes like Bowe did last year so it's just be another player dropping passes and making Cassel look bad. DJ still has plenty of potential, I personally hope the Chiefs play him more this year, in the 4 or 5 games he started he had 3 INT's (2 for TD's) and a couple sacks.

70 chiefsfan70
06-14-2010, 01:24 PM
I say no!

But I do agree that Haley is not big on him, however I expect DJ to have a really good year , He has lots of talent, and is in a crucial year to prove the league what he has. (the reason I say league is I don't think he will resign with the chiefs)

chief31
06-14-2010, 03:21 PM
Tough call. But I decline.

Williams was pretty decent for a year or two. But I would call it a push for Johnson on an overall rating.

And, since we do have s number of guys that could be strong for us at WR and very few at LB, I take my chances on Johnson.

If I were inside The Chiefs' organization, then I may have a different opinion, based on Johnson's relationship with the coaching staff.

SAPHOJUNKIE
06-14-2010, 03:56 PM
I'm saying yes.

Why, you ask? Because DJ is gone after this year. Even if he has a pro bowl season. Especially if he has a pro bowl season.

I guess we could franchise him, but more than likely I just think that he will be playing for another team in 2011.

Why not get SOMETHING for him? That something could be a decent receiver. No, Roy Williams isn't a game-changer, but DJ hasn't been, either.

okikcfan
06-14-2010, 04:10 PM
I would be more interested to see what happen with Vincent Jackson in San Diego.......

DC_Chiefsfan
06-14-2010, 04:31 PM
I wouldn't want Roy's $9 million a year contract on our payroll. He's completely over paid. And I agree that we're very thin at LB and we need to keep everyone we have right now, especially ones with talent. I would rather get a 2nd round pick for him than Roy Williams.

As for trades, I'd rather see something along the lines of jarrad page and a 5th rounder for LB D'Qwell jackson from the browns.

DC_Chiefsfan
06-14-2010, 04:32 PM
I wouldn't want Roy's $9 million a year contract on our payroll. He's completely over paid. And I agree that we're very thin at LB and we need to keep everyone we have right now, especially ones with talent. I would rather get a 2nd round pick for him than Roy Williams.

As for trades, I'd rather see something along the lines of jarrad page and a 5th rounder for LB D'Qwell jackson from the browns.

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halfast
06-18-2010, 02:43 PM
NO Williams is a loud mouth that isn't as good as he thinks! DJ's gonna come through this year and shine for us!

KristofLaw
06-23-2010, 09:03 PM
Not interested..... nor do I think either team would really be either. At least not Dallas... really doubt this would happen within our Universe.