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chief31
09-14-2007, 07:02 PM
I noticed a problem with the Chiefs' pass-protection. At first I was thinking that Kyle Turley was the problem, because the pressure was coming from his end of the line. Upon further study, on several plays, I noticed that John Welborne was not getting into any kind of position to "take over" the defensive end, from Turley, on stunts on that side of the line. Nor was he adjusting to the outside of Turley, to pick-up the defensive tackle, who was going to the outside on the stunt. This was leaving Turley with a choice. Leave the defensive end to easily beat an out-of-position Welbourne, or allow the defensive tackle to come-clean, on the outside.

Turley did the best that he could, by holding his ground against the defensive end, then trying to let him go, when the tackle had gotten to apoint of being the more immediate threat. It didn't work, because he was essentially being left with the responsibility of trying to block both guys. All he could do is block the more immediate threat, (the defensive end) until the tackle got close enough to become the more immediate threat. By that time, both players would have been too close to choose between and it would have been too late.

I applaud Turleys effort and hope that the Chiefs have noticed the exposure of Welbournes weakness. If it doesn't get fixed, then Turley will continue to look bad, by trying to cover for the failures of Welbourne. The Texans certainly noticed the problem, as they ran that stunt several times, in the Chiefs last couple of possessions.

m0ef0e
09-14-2007, 07:06 PM
Nice observation. I didn't pick up on that.

chief31
09-14-2007, 07:14 PM
Nice observation. I didn't pick up on that.

The line is what I like to watch, when replaying a game. I can't watch it during a live broadcast, and it is easily overlooked by most.

In watching the line-play, I noticed that Alphonso Boone was kicking even more a55 than what I had heard. He was destroying the Texans' Center. (Not checking for that guys name, right now.) I mean totally dominating the guy. Going at him face to face, on a few plays, and helping him to his seat on the field. I think he can have a very big impact on the performance of this defense, over the course of the season.

m0ef0e
09-14-2007, 07:16 PM
Yeah, I was really impressed with Boone. The back-to-back sack and run stuff on consecutive plays was freakin' sweet!

chief31
09-14-2007, 07:24 PM
Yeah, I was really impressed with Boone. The back-to-back sack and run stuff on consecutive plays was freakin' sweet!

Even on some plays where he didn't get to the ball-carrier, he was still beating the crap out of that center.

Three7s
09-15-2007, 02:24 AM
Yeah, I was really impressed with Boone. The back-to-back sack and run stuff on consecutive plays was freakin' sweet!
I love that tackle he put on Ahman Green, he squashed him like a pancake!:D

sling58
09-15-2007, 06:58 AM
I hope the Chiefs coaching staff picks up on that this week in meetings watching video and gets Jason to step it up.

chief31
09-17-2007, 06:09 PM
Either the coaching staff didn't pick-up on this, or Welbourne just didn't change anything. This week, on several plays, I witnessed the exact same thing. Turley winds-up bloking the defensive end, on the inside move, while Welbourne is underneath that blocking noone. He is failing miserably against the d-line stunts. The defensive tackles are coming around the outside, untouched! Turley could let the DE go and expose Welbournes failure, or continue to block the inside rusher, while the DT goes to the outside alone. He has been making the right choice. I am sure that Kyle has pointed this out to his o-line coach, but it has not changed yet.

Kyle Turley has become a very good RT again. But, he can't block two guys in pass-protection.

m0ef0e
09-17-2007, 09:37 PM
Either the coaching staff didn't pick-up on this, or Welbourne just didn't change anything. This week, on several plays, I witnessed the exact same thing. Turley winds-up bloking the defensive end, on the inside move, while Welbourne is underneath that blocking noone. He is failing miserably against the d-line stunts. The defensive tackles are coming around the outside, untouched! Turley could let the DE go and expose Welbournes failure, or continue to block the inside rusher, while the DT goes to the outside alone. He has been making the right choice. I am sure that Kyle has pointed this out to his o-line coach, but it has not changed yet.

Kyle Turley has become a very good RT again. But, he can't block two guys in pass-protection.

I was looking for it some this week and noticed it too. There was one play in particular I remember that I saw Welbourne just standing there while Turley engaged the end and the d-tack just came on around the outside on a stunt. Welbourne was still on the inside of Turley and stood there while Damon got hit. I didn't even see him begin to move. Seemed like not only a mistake, but poor effort as well.

EDIT: It may have been a linebacker, I can't remember. But I know that Welbourne was standing there looking at Damon get hit, already turned around for a few seconds, like he stood up when the ball was snapped and didn't see anybody to block so he just turned around and stood there to watch Damon throw the ball.

rbedgood
09-17-2007, 09:55 PM
I was looking for it some this week and noticed it too. There was one play in particular I remember that I saw Welbourne just standing there while Turley engaged the end and the d-tack just came on around the outside on a stunt. Welbourne was still on the inside of Turley and stood there while Damon got hit. I didn't even see him begin to move. Seemed like not only a mistake, but poor effort as well.

EDIT: It may have been a linebacker, I can't remember. But I know that Welbourne was standing there looking at Damon get hit, already turned around for a few seconds, like he stood up when the ball was snapped and didn't see anybody to block so he just turned around and stood there to watch Damon throw the ball.

This reminds me of my dad's favorite quote (he coached most of my teams growing up)...if anyone was standing around watching (didn't matter what sport...baseball, football, soccer, etc.) he'd ask if we wanted a hotdog and a soda, there's an open seat next to mom in the stands...:D :D

m0ef0e
09-17-2007, 10:00 PM
This reminds me of my dad's favorite quote (he coached most of my teams growing up)...if anyone was standing around watching (didn't matter what sport...baseball, football, soccer, etc.) he'd ask if we wanted a hotdog and a soda, there's an open seat next to mom in the stands...:D :D

:lol: Welbourne, on that play, reminded me of a Barry Sanders highlight I've seen quite a few times. He makes a cut and slashes right up the middle of the defense and runs right behind this huge defensive tackle for the Cowgirls. The guy barely has time to turn his head to keep Barry in his vision as Sanders runs right behind him. No reaction from the big guy at all. Absolutely hilarious and priceless as well. Look up most any Barry Sanders highlight video on youtube and you will see it.

wolfpack
09-18-2007, 01:51 PM
Svike(or whatever) didnt do to bad. he did have a false start but his blocking sure looked better. wonder what got into his head.

chief31
09-18-2007, 04:36 PM
I was looking for it some this week and noticed it too. There was one play in particular I remember that I saw Welbourne just standing there while Turley engaged the end and the d-tack just came on around the outside on a stunt. Welbourne was still on the inside of Turley and stood there while Damon got hit. I didn't even see him begin to move. Seemed like not only a mistake, but poor effort as well.

EDIT: It may have been a linebacker, I can't remember. But I know that Welbourne was standing there looking at Damon get hit, already turned around for a few seconds, like he stood up when the ball was snapped and didn't see anybody to block so he just turned around and stood there to watch Damon throw the ball.

Welbourne, it appears to me, is not "dropping" into his pass-protection as he should be. (At leats on the several stunts that I have noticed.) If he were dropping back, he would be deep enough for Turley to "hand-off" the inside-rushing DE to him and slide to the outside to pick up the free DT. Again, I hope the coaching staff recognizes the problem and can do something about it.

Chiefster
09-18-2007, 08:57 PM
He should just cover his guy and let Welborne look bad all on his own.

chief31
09-19-2007, 05:05 PM
He should just cover his guy and let Welborne look bad all on his own.

Unfortunately, that would be bad for the team. It would also be bad for Huard/Croyle.

rbedgood
09-19-2007, 07:46 PM
Unfortunately, that would be bad for the team. It would also be bad for Huard/Croyle.

Exactly...by covering his teammate to the inside he gives the QB the best chance to escape/make a play, thus reducing the odds of getting hurt

Chiefster
09-20-2007, 12:49 AM
Unfortunately, that would be bad for the team. It would also be bad for Huard/Croyle.


Exactly...by covering his teammate to the inside he gives the QB the best chance to escape/make a play, thus reducing the odds of getting hurt


Agreed; but will Herm see it that way?

rbedgood
09-20-2007, 12:53 AM
Agreed; but will Herm see it that way?

Oxymoron?!

Chiefster
09-20-2007, 12:56 AM
Oxymoron?!
:lol:
Hey that's a dis man; you can't do that! I ain't no ox moron!

rbedgood
09-20-2007, 12:59 AM
:lol:
Hey that's a dis man; you can't do that! I ain't no ox moron!




No you're not, but that might be the best description of the Herminator yet..."Ox moron".

Chiefster
09-20-2007, 01:02 AM
No you're not, but that might be the best description of the Herminator yet..."Ox moron".

True!

(I was quoting a line from the Renaissance Man :) )

rbedgood
09-20-2007, 01:19 AM
True!

(I was quoting a line from the Renaissance Man :) )

I don't do movies with the word Renaissance in the title.

Chiefster
09-20-2007, 01:23 AM
I don't do movies with the word Renaissance in the title.


Yeah, but this one has Danny DeVito in it.

hermhater
09-20-2007, 01:26 AM
Yeah, but this one has Danny DeVito in it.

You sonofabiscuiteater that was almost verbatim my next post.

I call foul on psychic legal grounds.

hermhater
09-20-2007, 01:27 AM
Did you see the latest "It's always Sunny in Philadelphia" episode?

Funniest one ever.

Chiefster
09-20-2007, 01:38 AM
You sonofabiscuiteater that was almost verbatim my next post.

I call foul on psychic legal grounds.

Your wrong; my mother nor father eats biscuits.

rbedgood
09-20-2007, 01:53 AM
Yeah, but this one has Danny DeVito in it.

This Danny Devito in the circus outfit...

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2007/09/21.jpg


















Sorry I like Danny okay, but the shot was too easy.

Chiefster
09-20-2007, 02:22 AM
This Danny Devito in the circus outfit...

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2007/09/21.jpg


















Sorry I like Danny okay, but the shot was too easy.

:lol::lol::sign0098: