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matthewschiefs
08-14-2010, 12:24 AM
Ok I no in the next day or two there will most likely be alot of posters on here talking about how terrible the game was and how this proves the sky is falling. Let me beat them and talk about some of the good things that I saw no matter how little there was lol. While I can't say that there was alot that made me think there has been improvement there is some.

Charles and Dexter both looked really good while they were in. If they had stuck to the run game they might have been able to get a TD there in the first half.

The kick return game was much better then it had been in the past few seasons. Maybe since Hall was tearing it up returning kicks.

The run D after the first drive was much better then a year ago. I don't no if it was so much the Chiefs as it was that Turner was done but it did look better.

So theres the good I saw there is A LOT to work on but its not all bad. Hopefuly we see a much better outing next week against Tampa. :chiefs:

Pro_Angler
08-14-2010, 12:52 AM
i agree we just need some more attitude. Its bad when the stiff arm javier put on the kicker was our biggest hit of the game (he laid him out). Our d-line got pushed back 3-5 yds on almsot every play.

whatwasthat?
08-14-2010, 01:18 AM
dline did get a little more push on the pocket in pass rushing situations than they did last year

Boxermm187
08-14-2010, 03:09 AM
defense looked bad when turner was on the field. we need to utilize charles and jones to open up the passing game....which was not seen ( bowe, chambers)the defense versus the first team was terrible in the first drive. second was not as bad, but they still moved the ball into field goal range.

the chiefs should take advantage of the pre season games and play their first team more to get chemistry.......even though it won't happen until the fourth P.S game. i really wanted to see the game and walk away feeling good about the progess, but i really was disappointed. charles, dexter, and arenas did great. in order to put up some wins, we need charles to stay healthy and do what he does best.

just the first pre season game, so i hope to see the first team on def. and off. get more playing time because IMO they need it. special teams is where we are actually doing something.

Three7s
08-14-2010, 03:18 AM
I think people are overreacting a tad. Sure, we could've been better, but it's not like we were an embarrassment. Anyone see the Hall of Fame game? The Cowboys or Bengals didn't look all that good either.

Usually in these preseason games, the offense tries to establish one thing and work on something else in the rest of the games. It was, obviously, the run.

Vanilla Garilla
08-14-2010, 10:50 AM
I think people are overreacting a tad. Sure, we could've been better, but it's not like we were an embarrassment. Anyone see the Hall of Fame game? The Cowboys or Bengals didn't look all that good either.

Usually in these preseason games, the offense tries to establish one thing and work on something else in the rest of the games. It was, obviously, the run.

Well said sir!

Pro_Angler
08-14-2010, 11:19 AM
im not over reacting I dont think anyone rally is. Im surprised actually at the cool heads in here.
We have work to do thats for sure, i am excited about our run game and special teams. Cassell still held the ball too long and got stripped fumble and he just looked like deer in headlights IMO.
Brodie looked pretty good aside fom the pick i didnt see cause stream was down. But he defenetely made descisions faster. Im not saying start brodie..Im saying cassel needs to pull head out of rear end.
Palko has little arm strenght, hence the INT and then again his lack of arm strenght made him have no touch on the long pass down the sideline to a wide open WR that woulkd have been a TD.

Pro_Angler
08-14-2010, 12:05 PM
I didnt like the play that we needed a foot for the first down and we try to get em off sides and we then punted. we should have fell forward for the first down. we need attack attitude on both sides of the ball. tAKE SOME CHANCE.

Sick Dog
08-14-2010, 12:42 PM
Its all vanilla no game planning, starters hardly play nothing and that is why pre-season blows but has to be done. As long as there some improvement from the first team each game than that is all you ask for.

fairladyZ
08-14-2010, 01:57 PM
I watched the game lastnight on the re-air and DVR.

Cassel did not hold the ball to long, he just had 0 time period. Once again the right side of the line is a joke. O'Callahan cannot run a rusher past cassel to save his life. And i Will have to rewatch but i couldn't tell if it was Lilja or Niswanger that was the other gaping hole. Left side looked decent the rush would come and Albert would struggle abit but atleast keep them off Cassel for the first couple seconds.
Once Croyle Came in ATL kept most their starting D in and Colin Brown looked 100% better than O'Callahan. He had a good punch off the line.. Used good leverage and ran rushers past Croyle like your supposed to.. If he does not start at RT soon i'm going to be very upset. Richardson didn't look that bad at LT either so maybe start him at RT aswell soon.

Thomas Jones i do not think is going to work out with our OL. It's going to look the exact same as LJ. This line just cannot bully a DL like they need to for a bruiser.

Defense looked horrible first go around. But they stiffened up.. I REALLY was impressed with Lokey.. He was getting some good push for the NT. Everyone else i though played decent and we were getting some pressure on both QB's just not getting there before the quick releases to dump off. We need to do a better job of covering the TE's and RB's to make the QB hold the ball for 1 more second.

Not to dissappointed just need to work on some things and i think move some OL starters to the back of the line or call the ravens and say we want gaither NOW!

Three7s
08-14-2010, 02:29 PM
I watched the game lastnight on the re-air and DVR.

Cassel did not hold the ball to long, he just had 0 time period. Once again the right side of the line is a joke. O'Callahan cannot run a rusher past cassel to save his life. And i Will have to rewatch but i couldn't tell if it was Lilja or Niswanger that was the other gaping hole. Left side looked decent the rush would come and Albert would struggle abit but atleast keep them off Cassel for the first couple seconds.
Once Croyle Came in ATL kept most their starting D in and Colin Brown looked 100% better than O'Callahan. He had a good punch off the line.. Used good leverage and ran rushers past Croyle like your supposed to.. If he does not start at RT soon i'm going to be very upset. Richardson didn't look that bad at LT either so maybe start him at RT aswell soon.

Thomas Jones i do not think is going to work out with our OL. It's going to look the exact same as LJ. This line just cannot bully a DL like they need to for a bruiser.

Defense looked horrible first go around. But they stiffened up.. I REALLY was impressed with Lokey.. He was getting some good push for the NT. Everyone else i though played decent and we were getting some pressure on both QB's just not getting there before the quick releases to dump off. We need to do a better job of covering the TE's and RB's to make the QB hold the ball for 1 more second.

Not to dissappointed just need to work on some things and i think move some OL starters to the back of the line or call the ravens and say we want gaither NOW!
Callaghan clearly got beat, but I counted the seconds on the replay that Cassel had the ball, and I got 4 seconds. Normally, that ball needs to be out in 3, but it was a 4-man rush.

I agree with everything else.

rodu
08-14-2010, 02:30 PM
[quote=fairladyZ;196150] I REALLY was impressed with Lokey.. He was getting some good push for the NT.quote]

It would be nice if he or someone else can step up at NT, and give us a bit of a presence in the middle

fairladyZ
08-14-2010, 03:06 PM
K just rewatched the game again and timed every cassel drop back with a stop watch.

First drop back incomplete to chambers for about 15yrd out with a guy on his back...2.4... Pressure from right side

Second pass. Complete to Pope for 3 yard out..Safety blitz directly thru in matts face making him flintch as soon as he let the ball go...2.3... Pressure from right side

#3.. Shotgun.. Cassel looking down field. Left end gets around O'Callahan and swats ball away as cassel goes to throw...2.5second

#4 Shotgun snap. Cassel throws to left complete to chambers for 7 yards.... 2.3 seconds no pressure

#5 Shotgun snap cassel throws to left for Charles for 6yrd gain. No pressure. 2 seconds.

#6 Shotgun cassel rolls to left and dumbs to Castille running infront of him for a little screen. Gain of 6.. 2.3 seconds running to left no pressure.

#7 Cassel shotgun rolls to his right with defender in his face throws to jamaal on a little out screen for 6 yards. 2.3 seconds.

#8 Cassel takes snap drops back looking for Pope on a 12 yrd in and overthrows as he gets smaked by a defender from the right end getting around castille cause for some reason o'callahan doubled the tackle and let the FB take on the right end. 2.8 seconds.

#9 Shotgun snap. 2 backers blitz and instantly thru. Recievers only make it about 5 yrds up the feild before cassel has to tuck ball and is swarmed. Cassel tried to throw to Pope but Pope was not even turned around yet on his 5yrd out. Pressure up middle from niswanger. 1.9seconds cassel goes down.

#10 Cassel takes snap and drops back is flushed forward as he gets some pressure from the Left side. Runs almost to line of scrimmage and dumps off to Battle for gain of about 3yrds. 3.5 Seconds..2.4 Seconds is how much he had till he had to run forward.

All these were timed with a stopwatch. All were started as soon as the ball moved for the center hike and stopped as soon as cassel released the ball or tucked it for cover. If there was a blitz i wrote it in the notes. If i don't say blitz it's just a 4 man rush.

If anyone is not doing anything like me and has it DVR'd then by all means double check me

fairladyZ
08-14-2010, 03:30 PM
Just for fun did some or Croyles with the changed OL.

#1 croyle rolls to right and pass complete to Cox for about 5 yrds. 3.1 seconds

#2 Croyle drops back has 0 pressure throws to mccluster for about 4 yrds as mccluster gets some Yac. 2.3 seconds

#3 Brodie snaps takes 1 step back and throws to left to Urban for gain of about 4yrds. 1 second. No Pressure.

#4 Shotgun snap Brodie gets prssure from Blitz from middle as saftey Blitzes on left side and a backer up the middle. Brodie backs up and throws incomplete to Moore at line of scrimmage.. 2.2 seconds

#5 Shotgun snap brodie stays back but starts getting pressure form the left side. Line is still holding blocks but collapsing on the left so croyle moves up and finally decided to tuck and run for 1st. 3.8 seconds till he tucked and ran.

#6 Shotgun snap croyle looking down field but dumps to Moore as he slides out of the backfield to the left for gain of 3yrds. 2.4 seconds no pressure

#7 Shotgun snap Croyle has some time but pocket begins to collapse abit on right side so croyle checks down to Pope crossing about 2 yards infront of line of scrimmage. 3.1 seconds as soon as croyle lets go he's got a defender on his back. From Right guard Asomoah.

#8 Shotgun quick pass to McCluster but he drops it. 1 second no pressure.

#9 Shotgun snap croyle finds mccluster crossing about 5 yrds. No pressure. 2.0 seconds.

#10 Shotgun croyle finds McCluster on about a 5yrd out.. Croyle had to slide just abit from pressure on right side and colin moved the end past. Croyle steps up and to the right and fires. 2.5 seconds.

#11 Shotgun snap Croyle is immedietly faced with a rusher from Asomoah as he wiffed. Croyle has to elude him at 1.6 seconds and then takes another step forward and sidearms incomplete for McCluster who drops.

#12 Shotgun snap Croyle has time no pressure and finds Pope on a curl at about 15yrds and pope drops it Ball would have been at the 5 yrd line. 2.8 seconds.

#13 Shotgun Pass Croyle gets instant pressure once again as Asomoah gets beat by a bull rusher with speed. Also Right end is getting by Brown. Croyle dumps to Moore at about 6 yrds to gets some YAC to the 2 yrd line. 2.4 seconds....

Kick FG..

Those were all the pass plays of the first half guys.

Three7s
08-14-2010, 10:38 PM
Alright you got me, I just watched the highlight of the sack Callaghan gave up, and it was about 2.5 sec. Still would've been nice to see Cassel have some pocket presence there.

chief31
08-15-2010, 12:51 AM
Well, I hope the quick passing game will come with time.

Our blocking was just plain bad. Constant pressure, from all directions, and no run-blocking.

If it weren't for the speed to get outside, we likely wouldn't have had anything on offense.

However, if we make that outside running game primary, then defenses will have to make adjustments to slow that down.

I am still quite hopeful that those adjustments will be made, and we will be able to take advantage of it through the passing game and inside running attack.

The run defense looked the same as before, but the passing defense looked pretty tough.

All in all, it was only a couple of plays, and the first action they have had this year.

None of it is really worthy of criticism. But we have to do something. :lol:

Three7s
08-15-2010, 01:17 AM
Well, I hope the quick passing game will come with time.

Our blocking was just plain bad. Constant pressure, from all directions, and no run-blocking.

If it weren't for the speed to get outside, we likely wouldn't have had anything on offense.

However, if we make that outside running game primary, then defenses will have to make adjustments to slow that down.

I am still quite hopeful that those adjustments will be made, and we will be able to take advantage of it through the passing game and inside running attack.

The run defense looked the same as before, but the passing defense looked pretty tough.

All in all, it was only a couple of plays, and the first action they have had this year.

None of it is really worthy of criticism. But we have to do something. :lol:
You have to admit, though, things did improve as the game went along. The Falcons only put together one good drive that ended in a TD.

Chiefster
08-15-2010, 03:10 AM
I think people are overreacting a tad. Sure, we could've been better, but it's not like we were an embarrassment. Anyone see the Hall of Fame game? The Cowboys or Bengals didn't look all that good either.

Usually in these preseason games, the offense tries to establish one thing and work on something else in the rest of the games. It was, obviously, the run.

Yup, it's PRESEASON. :bananen_smilies046:

hermhater
08-15-2010, 04:37 AM
dammit

AkChief49
08-15-2010, 09:08 AM
dammit
Double H!! how's it going?

Seek
08-15-2010, 01:31 PM
There was two things that obsolutely stood out to me as a concern.

The Falcons ran the bll very well the first drive. The did not throw once. Every decent run was at T. Jackson. They did try running up the middle a couple of times for little gain, but they successfully picked on Jackson. He needs to pick up this game, or he is a serious liability to this team.

The offensive line was horrific. The tackles gave little protection, and Lilja got destroyed delayed counter for a tackle just as the ball was handed off.

For the positives, I thought the secondary was very good, except for covering Tony G.

It looks like Weis understands the offensive line isn't outstanding and put together a good west coast drive to get Cassel some good completed reps.

J. Charles looks as good as he did last year.

We also have a serious threat at Kick returner.

I can't speak for the defense or offense getting it together, because I really don't know the Falcons roster well enough to know if they pulled starters after the first series or not to judge what the defense was really doing. I do know that tucker was pulled quickly as well as Ryan.

Austin Avalon
08-16-2010, 03:08 AM
Looked to me whenever the pressure was put on it was from the outside edge. That was concerning. I agree Jackson needs to step up, looks to be the weakest link in our D-Line.

I think that having the impact players stepping up will get the team morale up and hopefully play better.

Seek
08-16-2010, 10:07 AM
Another thing that bothered me. I am a huge DJ fan, but he should be looking like a hall of famer against 3rd stringers and for the second straight year he looks like he is performing at the level of his competition in pre-season.

He made better plays than Williams, but if he wants his starting job back, he needs to stick out and not blend in.

bwilliams
08-16-2010, 10:10 AM
I think our OL and front seven picked up exactly where they left off last season. Our OL is good enough against bad defenses, but it will get killed against good ones. Our front seven has difficulty getting pressure on the QB, and the middle of our line can be shredded by a pounding RB with a decent line.

Good things? McCluster looked good, but looks like exactly the same player as Charles. Arenas is probably going to be a very good KR/PR. Our secondary still looks good and is (by far) the strongest part of our defense.

bwilliams
08-16-2010, 10:12 AM
Another thing that bothered me. I am a huge DJ fan, but he should be looking like a hall of famer against 3rd stringers and for the second straight year he looks like he is performing at the level of his competition in pre-season.

He made better plays than Williams, but if he wants his starting job back, he needs to stick out and not blend in.

I know some people agree, but I think it's simply that DJ is a terrible 3-4 ILB. He'll never succeed as more than a third-down LB in this scheme and needs to be traded to a 4-3 defense where he can play weakside LB.

Seek
08-16-2010, 10:15 AM
I know some people agree, but I think it's simply that DJ is a terrible 3-4 ILB. He'll never succeed as more than a third-down LB in this scheme and needs to be traded to a 4-3 defense where he can play weakside LB.

But I don't want to see him on another team. I say this with a very whiny voice... Can you imagine DJ playing for the Donkies?

Just like I don't like seeing Tony G. playing for the Falcons.

bwilliams
08-16-2010, 10:20 AM
But I don't want to see him on another team. I say this with a very whiny voice... Can you imagine DJ playing for the Donkies?

Just like I don't like seeing Tony G. playing for the Falcons.

I don't either. I like DJ, and he's our best LB in terms of athleticism and tackling. But what's the option? Continue to play him in a spot that wastes his atleticism and speed and accentuates his weaknesses?

I know I harp on this, but we don't have the personnel for a 3-4 defense right now. We should convert to a 4-3 until we get the right pieces for a 3-4.

Seek
08-16-2010, 01:41 PM
I don't either. I like DJ, and he's our best LB in terms of athleticism and tackling. But what's the option? Continue to play him in a spot that wastes his atleticism and speed and accentuates his weaknesses?

I know I harp on this, but we don't have the personnel for a 3-4 defense right now. We should convert to a 4-3 until we get the right pieces for a 3-4.

I agree...

Another postive note I did not mention was K. Lewis. I was impressed. Based on that one game, I would take him as starter over McGraw right now.

bwilliams
08-16-2010, 01:57 PM
I agree...

Another postive note I did not mention was K. Lewis. I was impressed. Based on that one game, I would take him as starter over McGraw right now.

Me too. Although, as I wrote on another thread, Berry should be entrenched at SS, with McGraw or (preferably) Lewis at SS.

chief31
08-16-2010, 10:24 PM
You have to admit, though, things did improve as the game went along. The Falcons only put together one good drive that ended in a TD.

I do.

And I really enjoyed watching Tyler Palko at QB. He looked like a man on a mission.

Sure he made mistakes. And he was going against third-stringers. But I thought he looked good for a first year guy at QB.

drstandley31
08-17-2010, 09:01 PM
still can't catch a f'n pass. Right on the numbers of the TE on the 5 yard line and a drop. RB's dropped 3. WR's had at least two. Why the hell can't this team catch a football. They've been catching footballs since they were in the second grade!!! I just don't get it

SAPHOJUNKIE
08-18-2010, 02:51 PM
I didnt like the play that we needed a foot for the first down and we try to get em off sides and we then punted. we should have fell forward for the first down. we need attack attitude on both sides of the ball. tAKE SOME CHANCE.

They need to practice punt coverage, too.