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Drunker Hillbilly
08-14-2010, 01:11 PM
So while I like this guy, does it seem to anyone else like McCluster is a carbon copy of Jamaal Charles? They look like the same guy out there. Don't get me wrong, I like how the kid runs, don't think he can carry the load because of his size, but why did we draft this type of player with our 2nd? Depth? Returns? I'm definetely not sure of this pick after seeing them both in action on the same field. Along the same line kind of, Thomas Jones may be in some trouble if the O line is not better. Hopefully it was just some jitters, getting comfortable with each other etc. Three more games to gel I guess.

wildcat
08-14-2010, 02:05 PM
Actually, I think that McCluster accelerates a little faster, but Jamaal is a little stronger and tougher to bring down. I am excited that we will be able to have both of those weapons on the field at the same time.

I think it will be great to have Jones in short yardage situations. Jamaal will get his share of touchdowns, but he's not going to get them by pushing the pile like I think Jones can.

loyalchief91
08-14-2010, 04:07 PM
They do look like the same player out there. I had to look at the jersey number to tell the difference, but Charles is stronger and tougher though.

Drunker Hillbilly
08-14-2010, 05:30 PM
Actually, I think that McCluster accelerates a little faster, but Jamaal is a little stronger and tougher to bring down. I am excited that we will be able to have both of those weapons on the field at the same time.

I think it will be great to have Jones in short yardage situations. Jamaal will get his share of touchdowns, but he's not going to get them by pushing the pile like I think Jones can.
I think you may be right on acceleration but it's virtually the same guy. I don't see how they could ever have them both on the field at the same time. There would be zero threat of any run up the middle.

#58ChiefsFan
08-14-2010, 05:36 PM
Just a thought, but givin the success Charles had in the second half of the season and knowing it would be a shortened career taking that much abuse. It makes sense to have another back with a similar running style. A style we have had success with last season, splitting some time between the two and having that run or quick toss option every down while still having a bruiser back in Thomas.

wildcat
08-14-2010, 06:06 PM
I think you may be right on acceleration but it's virtually the same guy. I don't see how they could ever have them both on the field at the same time. There would be zero threat of any run up the middle.

They will figure out ways to put both players on the field at the same time trust me. You don't think McCluster will ever line up as a WR?

Drunker Hillbilly
08-14-2010, 07:05 PM
They will figure out ways to put both players on the field at the same time trust me. You don't think McCluster will ever line up as a WR?
I guess maybe as a slot guy but it certainly won't be an often option.

Drunker Hillbilly
08-14-2010, 07:17 PM
Just a thought, but givin the success Charles had in the second half of the season and knowing it would be a shortened career taking that much abuse. It makes sense to have another back with a similar running style. A style we have had success with last season, splitting some time between the two and having that run or quick toss option every down while still having a bruiser back in Thomas.
Like I said I like the kid but I can't help but think there was someone that we needed more than him. We had so many positions to fill rather than a third RB. I don't have the answer Im kind of just thinking out loud. I'm just so down on the O line and until I see improvement will continue to be that another RB that will not even get 1/3 of the carries may have not been the best choice. Who the heck knows! I just want us to be competetive again. Sometimes I think we all over think things because we are so tired of not being competetive!!

brish
08-14-2010, 07:58 PM
Kiddin' me??

Charles is the best weapon we have, why wouldn't you want someone similar to him out there?

First off.. They are similar but they are not the same. I think McCluster is a slightly better receiver than Charles, and Charles is a little better Running back.
McCluster is versatile, which is a huge plus, and while he should primarily be a receiver, he is an insurrance if Charles goes down.. With the o-line we have, we need guys like Charles and McCluster..

You can argue positions of need all you want, but McCluster is special.. Not an average joe...

In my book he is an ace pick!

yashi
08-14-2010, 09:16 PM
McCluster is kind of like Mini-Jamaal, and I'm ecstatic to have him. If Charles were to go down last year, we would have had no offense whatsoever. But now we have a bit of a backup plan. Having two electric players on the offense is a great thing.

Besides, McCluster is our starting slot receiver. It just so happens that we can use him at RB at times. He's kind of like Percy Harvin in that regard, another player I love. McCluster looks great, and it sure beats one of the alternatives, which is if we had drafted a bust in that spot instead.

Drunker Hillbilly
08-14-2010, 09:53 PM
McCluster is kind of like Mini-Jamaal, and I'm ecstatic to have him. If Charles were to go down last year, we would have had no offense whatsoever. But now we have a bit of a backup plan. Having two electric players on the offense is a great thing.

Besides, McCluster is our starting slot receiver. It just so happens that we can use him at RB at times. He's kind of like Percy Harvin in that regard, another player I love. McCluster looks great, and it sure beats one of the alternatives, which is if we had drafted a bust in that spot instead.

Can't argue with either of the last two posts. I'm just wondering if you draft a "mini Jamaal" with a 2nd round pick just as an injury precaution. Also, I know he will line up in the slot a bunch but here I am again questioning the O line. Defenses will pick up on the 3 yd dumps to McCluster very quickly when there is no time to go deep.

tornadospotter
08-14-2010, 10:23 PM
Can't argue with either of the last two posts. I'm just wondering if you draft a "mini Jamaal" with a 2nd round pick just as an injury precaution. Also, I know he will line up in the slot a bunch but here I am again questioning the O line. Defenses will pick up on the 3 yd dumps to McCluster very quickly when there is no time to go deep.
The O-line pass protection is a big concern for me, but it is the first preseason game. I am still not sure about the QB position. We had two playes, back to back, that had a rookie free agent WR, clearly beating the defender, these where planned plays, read Coaches comments, QB could not put the ball in his hands. Both playes would have been TD's. That rookie free agent, may very well make the team.

Drunker Hillbilly
08-14-2010, 11:19 PM
The O-line pass protection is a big concern for me, but it is the first preseason game. I am still not sure about the QB position. We had two playes, back to back, that had a rookie free agent WR, clearly beating the defender, these where planned plays, read Coaches comments, QB could not put the ball in his hands. Both playes would have been TD's. That rookie free agent, may very well make the team.
I recall both playes! I'm just not sure how many times we can say "it's only preseason" or "it's only the first couple of games" ya know. I'm holdin out faith that things will come together but my newly found optimism is failing me fast!

Seek
08-15-2010, 11:51 AM
McCluster goes down like my five years when we play tackle football. I would just soon only see him as a receiver. Our offensive line was horrific with Jones in there. With McCluster hitting a wall and falling down, I am find just using actual running backs.

bwilliams
08-16-2010, 10:17 AM
We should be lining McCluster up in the slot full-time. After he's learned to be a good WR, then we can start worrying about gadgeting him or playing him at RB. Everyone who says that he's a clone of Charles is basically right. Having two scatbacks in the backfield won't confuse anyone, any more than having two burner WRs lining up confuses defenses.

Seek
08-16-2010, 01:44 PM
What is the over under on how many reverses McCluster runs this year.

yashi
08-16-2010, 10:01 PM
We should be lining McCluster up in the slot full-time. After he's learned to be a good WR, then we can start worrying about gadgeting him or playing him at RB. Everyone who says that he's a clone of Charles is basically right. Having two scatbacks in the backfield won't confuse anyone, any more than having two burner WRs lining up confuses defenses.

I tend to agree. Nice option to have, but rather meaningless as long as Jones and Charles are healthy.

SAPHOJUNKIE
08-18-2010, 02:49 PM
I think you may be right on acceleration but it's virtually the same guy. I don't see how they could ever have them both on the field at the same time. There would be zero threat of any run up the middle.

Yeah, but there'd be a threat of going to either sideline, which geometrically dictates that it's tougher to defend.

McCluster is not the same player as charles at all, by the way. Why? because they're both fast? they're both quick and agile? They both can catch passes out of the backfield, turn the corner and make guys miss?

We have a solid, between the tackles runner in Jones. We need more playmakers.

figcrostic
08-19-2010, 04:10 PM
So while I like this guy, does it seem to anyone else like McCluster is a carbon copy of Jamaal Charles? They look like the same guy out there. Don't get me wrong, I like how the kid runs, don't think he can carry the load because of his size, but why did we draft this type of player with our 2nd? Depth? Returns? I'm definetely not sure of this pick after seeing them both in action on the same field. Along the same line kind of, Thomas Jones may be in some trouble if the O line is not better. Hopefully it was just some jitters, getting comfortable with each other etc. Three more games to gel I guess.

I agree, but I think Mccluster is a beast, but I would have rather had a Brandon Jacobs type beast to get the 3rd and short type yards.

Canada
08-19-2010, 04:46 PM
I agree, but I think Mccluster is a beast, but I would have rather had a Brandon Jacobs type beast to get the 3rd and short type yards.

Isnt that why we have Thomas Jones?

figcrostic
08-19-2010, 09:13 PM
Isnt that why we have Thomas Jones?

Thomas Jones 5"10 212
Brandon Jacobs 6"4 264 big difference

honda522
08-19-2010, 11:09 PM
DMC is listed as WR I believe...

Canada
08-20-2010, 09:52 AM
Thomas Jones 5"10 212
Brandon Jacobs 6"4 264 big difference

Thomas Jones is still our big back to pound it in while Charles is the speed guy.

If you want to compare the two RBs I would still take Jones over Jacobs. TJ has but up well over 1100 yards in each of his last three seasons while Jacobs has struggled to get to 1000. There are plenty of holes on this team but the RB position is not one of them.

Chiefster
08-20-2010, 10:07 AM
Thomas Jones is still our big back to pound it in while Charles is the speed guy.

If you want to compare the two RBs I would still take Jones over Jacobs. TJ has but up well over 1100 yards in each of his last three seasons while Jacobs has struggled to get to 1000. There are plenty of holes on this team but the RB position is not one of them.

...This! :D

wildcat
08-20-2010, 10:28 AM
We should be lining McCluster up in the slot full-time. After he's learned to be a good WR, then we can start worrying about gadgeting him or playing him at RB. Everyone who says that he's a clone of Charles is basically right. Having two scatbacks in the backfield won't confuse anyone, any more than having two burner WRs lining up confuses defenses.

The fact that they are both lined up in the backfield may not be confusing, but it will make it a little easier to misdirect the defense. Besides, it gives you options based on how the defense lines up.

It's all up to the coordinator to figure out how to use this to our advantage. I think Weiss will be more than capable of figuring out how to accomplish this.

bwilliams
08-20-2010, 11:02 AM
Thomas Jones 5"10 212
Brandon Jacobs 6"4 264 big difference

Also, Jacobs can't stay healthy. There's a reason. Big RBs rarely can. Especially tall ones. Their legs are too long and they have an increased chance of injury when being tackled low.

yashi
08-20-2010, 11:42 AM
Yeah I'm not a fan of Jacobs. Too one dimensional. It's obviously a run when he's in the game. Pioli/Haley seem to really value versatile guys.

figcrostic
08-20-2010, 08:04 PM
Thomas Jones is still our big back to pound it in while Charles is the speed guy.

If you want to compare the two RBs I would still take Jones over Jacobs. TJ has but up well over 1100 yards in each of his last three seasons while Jacobs has struggled to get to 1000. There are plenty of holes on this team but the RB position is not one of them.

I agree 100 percent all I was saying is Jacobs is a huge man. I think Jones is better RB all around but Jacobs is very effective in gaining short yardage he just doesn't have the speed and elusiveness of Jones but horsepower wise Jacobs is superior.

figcrostic
08-20-2010, 08:05 PM
...This! :D

yup we are definetly strong at the RB position.

Coach
08-23-2010, 09:44 PM
Most teams would kill to have one Charles' type back. We may have two. The concern around Charles has been durability due to his size. Having 'two' of this guy on our team along Jones make this team very dangerous on the ground.

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Pro_Angler
08-24-2010, 11:22 PM
I believe we have the best backfield group in the league. DMC made a swwet play in the slot and out of the screen, thats were he will be used most not in the I formation.

tornadospotter
08-25-2010, 12:15 AM
Most teams would kill to have one Charles' type back. We may have two. The concern around Charles has been durability due to his size. Having 'two' of this guy on our team along Jones make this team very dangerous on the ground.

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Yep!!!!