***Official Chiefs Crowd QB Discussion Thread***

[Chiefster]

By popular demand:

The purpose of this thread is to facilitate all discussion involving the Quarter Back position and those who fill said position in order to reduce the amount of threads created solely for this purpose.

Thank you.

-Chiefster

[stricken721]

Excellent idea. Would you mind if I posted the link to the Matt Cassel Performance thread from sportsbook in here too?

[Chiefster]

That'll work my friend.

[stricken721]

Matt Cassel's Performance. - Kansas City Chiefs Forums (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13907) Matt Cassel performance bet thread.

Let's hope our current QB will play much better, if he doesn't I think the team should look at Ryan Mallett from the University of Arkansas. I think he has potential... and he's an SEC guy so the front office should like that.

[yashi]

Matt Cassel's Performance. - Kansas City Chiefs Forums (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13907) Matt Cassel performance bet thread.

Let's hope our current QB will play much better, if he doesn't I think the team should look at Ryan Mallett from the University of Arkansas. I think he has potential... and he's an SEC guy so the front office should like that.

For sure. I love how effortlessly he throws the deep ball. Having that kind of arm under center would force defenses to leave things more open for Charles to run free.

[stricken721]

For sure. I love how effortlessly he throws the deep ball. Having that kind of arm under center would force defenses to leave things more open for Charles to run free.

He seems to have a lot of poise in the pocket as well. This year he is on track to throw for over 4300 yards and 30 TD's with less than 10 interceptions. If he can keep those kinds of stats going, and bring them over into the big leagues for us that would be great.

[wildcat]

Good idea on the QB thread. I'm going to jump ahead to where I think this is ultimately heading...Brodie, Brodie, Brodie!!!

I know he has proven time and time again that he can't stay healthy, but, if the passing game doesn't improve, what do we have to lose?

[stricken721]

Good idea on the QB thread. I'm going to jump ahead to where I think this is ultimately heading...Brodie, Brodie, Brodie!!!

I know he has proven time and time again that he can't stay healthy, but, if the passing game doesn't improve, what do we have to lose?

If we are winning and Cassel is in there then he should stay there. But if we are losing games based on Cassel's play then I say hell yeah bring Brodie in. I really like how he played during the Baltimore game last year against that defense. Just gotta put the guy in there that gives us the best chance to win games.

[Pro_Angler]

For sure. I love how effortlessly he throws the deep ball. Having that kind of arm under center would force defenses to leave things more open for Charles to run free.


LOL we have that arm already in Brodie..duhhhhh

[Hayvern]

Good idea on the QB thread. I'm going to jump ahead to where I think this is ultimately heading...Brodie, Brodie, Brodie!!!

I know he has proven time and time again that he can't stay healthy, but, if the passing game doesn't improve, what do we have to lose?

Just a bunch of football games. Not that we really care about that though, since we have not won too many the last few years.

[brish]

I'll bite...

I have been an avid Cassel believer, but his window is closing.. He needs to be better.
Now I don't think he is solely to blaim for our lack of offensive production from the passing game.

If I had to break it down I would do it like this:

Blame-o-meter:

Cassel - 40%
Play calling - 30%
Receivers - 20%
Protection - 10%

Allow me to elaborate..

First of all Matt needs to work on his vision, he has to see the field clearer and where the holes in the coverage are going to be. (Cassel)
He is not going to get a lot of wide open receivers, because most routes so-far have been short routes, and our opponents know this. (Playcalling & Protection)
While i watched the Browns game I didn't feel like our receivers were getting open enough, the commentators noticed this too. However it is hard to judge without better overhead camera angles.

I think if Matt is going to complete more passes, he will have to be better at throwing the ball to a spot, and not necessarily right at the receiver.
I noticed a few of the good balls he threw at Bowe and Moeaki, were thrown in front of the receivers, meaning at the point of his release, the routes were still somewhat "secret" to the db's, for lack of a better word. It feels like the timing of the passing attack is out of sync, receivers not open at the time of Matt's reads and the time he has to throw. (All categories)

Matt also needs to feel the pocket better, but this can prove difficult, as the pass protection still isn't fantastic all the time.
It is miles better than lst year, but the pocket is pushed around and is often squeezed from the right side or the middle. Look at the o-line reviews from bewsaf at AP and see how many times the center gets driven backwards. (Cassel & Protection)

It would also be a delight to see some more 1st and 2nd down passes, the run, run, 3rd and long routine isn't helping anything..! (Playcalling)
Last but not least.. Where in the world is our new offensive playmaker?! I wan't Dex to catch a freaking pass! He was "supposed" (speculation on my part) to be our Wes Welker type of receiver. (Playcalling)

Overall this offense is dependant on Matt to make the throws he is expected to make, and I honestly think he is more accurate and throws a harder ball than last year. But he also has to decipher the defense, and read where he needs to put the ball before the window is completely open so to speak..
But I just can't shake the feeling that there is something slightly wrong, timing wise, with this offense.
Maybe we should run more 3 WR, single back (Charles!) formations, so as to better camouflage the pass or run, and spread out the defence.

What do you guys think, am I completely off on my blame-o-meter and my observations?
Would Croyle be a better choice?
I find it hard to ignore that he is 0-9 as a starter, he is often injured and his superior arm strength is likely wasted with an o-line that rarely keeps a secure pocket.
But if Cassel doesn't improve over the next 5-6 games, then Im all for seeing what Croyle can do..

Please refrain from posting Cassel sucks donkey balls! it is pointless and unintelligent to say the least.

Im done.. be gentle and.... :chiefs:

[kcred]

Pittsburgh has a qb surplus. Like last week. They will release. The former jags qb when. Big Ben comes back. The chiefs should try to get him.

[texaschief]

So, this is what we're talking about...


Cassel
Croyle
Vick
Leftwich
Leinart
Quinn
Draft pick
Kolb
Other


I fear Croyle will get a shot and legitimately WIN the QB position and prompt the Chiefs to build around him for a season and then get some kind of injury and we're back here again in the middle of next season.

If that doesn't happen, I worry about Haley overruling Weis and bringing Leinart in instead of Quinn.

I'd love to see Kolb here but doubt the Chiefs spend the picks on him and doubt the Eagles let him go.

Leftwich... uh, hell to the no... the Chiefs need to find a franchise cornerstone at QB and NOW is the time to develop one... not once the team gets legitimately competitive and perennially in the playoffs. Find one NOW.

... that rules out Vick as well.

That leaves Cassel or a draft pick. Personally, I hope Locker keeps losing draft stock and we grab him. He looks like the real deal at QB. Here's hoping he has a horrible season due to something OTHER than himself... perhaps an insignificant injury or poor line play. I think we'll be picking in the high teens-mid twenties in the draft and if Locker could fall that far, I'd love it!!

[matthewschiefs]

So, this is what we're talking about...

Cassel
Croyle
Vick
Leftwich
Leinart
Quinn
Draft pick
Kolb
Other
I fear Croyle will get a shot and legitimately WIN the QB position and prompt the Chiefs to build around him for a season and then get some kind of injury and we're back here again in the middle of next season.

If that doesn't happen, I worry about Haley overruling Weis and bringing Leinart in instead of Quinn.

I'd love to see Kolb here but doubt the Chiefs spend the picks on him and doubt the Eagles let him go.

Leftwich... uh, hell to the no... the Chiefs need to find a franchise cornerstone at QB and NOW is the time to develop one... not once the team gets legitimately competitive and perennially in the playoffs. Find one NOW.

... that rules out Vick as well.

That leaves Cassel or a draft pick. Personally, I hope Locker keeps losing draft stock and we grab him. He looks like the real deal at QB. Here's hoping he has a horrible season due to something OTHER than himself... perhaps an insignificant injury or poor line play. I think we'll be picking in the high teens-mid twenties in the draft and if Locker could fall that far, I'd love it!!

My take


Cassel Jury is still out on him but is getting close to an answer of no. He HAS to step it up in order to remain the QB after this season
Croyle Not the long term answer for sure. But if Cassel does not get any better I would not mind us giveing him a look to see if he can do better this season. And well not get hurt.
Vick Won't happen don't really think it's worth talking about.
Leftwich He's not a starter for a reason. He's not that good of a starter.
Leinart I really don't think he will even be talked about by the Chiefs. He's a backup nothing more.
Quinn This one is interesting. I would not mind us signing him if he's a free agent after this season I don't no if he will be and letting him try to earn the job. He did well with Weiss at ND. Maybe he would be able to do well with Weiss in the NFL. But for a LOW price.
Draft pick I would hate to have to do this. Myself I just hope the Cassel starts to get going and shows he can be a starter in the NFL. But I think we have to grab a QB if Cassel doesn't in the next draft.
Kolb Anther Interesting option. I think he can be a good But the fact that the team that drafted him and traded a REAL good QB for him is now willing to listen to offers scares me. I don't no if he is a starter I don't no if he isn't. Not enough to tell just yet.
Other I can't say that there is one QB that is a real possible signing that I would want. I think that all the good current QBS are taken and are not going anywhere.

[CapitalT]

Like Brish, I have been a Cassel supporter but I have been disappointed in his performance so far ... but it's only been 2 games and we won both. He also played much better in the second half against the Browns.

I think Cassel will start playing better, but if he doesn't, we don't really have a better choice this season. I've never liked Brodie Croyle.

I'm in agreement with those who think we should draft a quarterback if Cassel doesn't work out.

[yashi]

Really, the only ideas I'm interested in if Cassel ultimately fails are:

A.) Throw Croyle out there and see what happens. If he lights the world on fire, great. Otherwise...

B.) Draft a QB in round 1 next season. Or maybe do this even if Croyle plays well down the stretch.

I don't really want to end up starting some garbage from another team. Kolb is the only one I have any interest in, but I'd still rather just draft a QB. The plus with Kolb is that he's been groomed and should be ready, whereas a drafted QB might take 2 years before we really know if he's good or not.

[Pro_Angler]

sorry but the way my Huskers handled Locker.4 for 20????.no way in hell do I want that POS QB. I'd rather keep Cassell..

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Leinart will never be a Chief. Locker will go high in the draft so if we don't start losing, we are not going to even have a chance of getting him regardless of what anyone thinks of him.

[Pro_Angler]

No disrespect HillBilly but Locker IMO screwed himself cause he didnt come out last year, he is having a horrible year thus far.
I would not nwant to draft him even in the 5th rd. at this point. 4 of 20 with 2 pics isnt good.

[azchiefsfan]

For the Croyle crowd, how many turnovers did we average with him at the helm? How many does Cassell have? He is just beginning to get some good protection. As he settles down and the "run for your life" instinct dies down, Cassell will be a good QB. Croyle is a good backup. And it is Cassell's job to start, until he starts costing us games.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

No disrespect HillBilly but Locker IMO screwed himself cause he didnt come out last year, he is having a horrible year thus far.
I would not nwant to draft him even in the 5th rd. at this point. 4 of 20 with 2 pics isnt good.
I agree but he will be a top rated QB in a not so QB heavy draft. He was awesome last year and if Luck struggles at all late in the season and he steps up, anything could happen. Not sure where Prior will be not the kid and Mallet had a terrible day yesterday.

[Pro_Angler]

I agree but he will be a top rated QB in a not so QB heavy draft. He was awesome last year and if Luck struggles at all late in the season and he steps up, anything could happen. Not sure where Prior will be not the kid and Mallet had a terrible day yesterday.


Yea, still a lot of football to be played out, Locker doesnt have the team he had last year either, but "great" QB's should still be better players then 4-20 2 int against a mediocure Husker secondary.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Husker record?

[Pro_Angler]

Yes my huskers are undefeated and ranked 6th, but still thier secondary isnt that great.
I'm just not sold on the guy..

[wildcat]

Good idea on the QB thread. I'm going to jump ahead to where I think this is ultimately heading...Brodie, Brodie, Brodie!!!

I know he has proven time and time again that he can't stay healthy, but, if the passing game doesn't improve, what do we have to lose?

What are you talking about? Why would we replace Cassel? Didn't you see the 2nd half against the 49ers today? I should negative rep you!

[chief31]

Good idea on the QB thread. I'm going to jump ahead to where I think this is ultimately heading...Brodie, Brodie, Brodie!!!

I know he has proven time and time again that he can't stay healthy, but, if the passing game doesn't improve, what do we have to lose?
What are you talking about? Why would we replace Cassel? Didn't you see the 2nd half against the 49ers today? I should negative rep you!
Hilarious!!!!:lol:

[Pro_Angler]

He said if the passing game DOESNT IMPROVE.... i did a bit today..:)

[yashi]

Definitely was very happy with Cassel yesterday. I'd like to see more consistency though. Hopefully we won't have to be discussing this by the end of the year.

[matthewschiefs]

Definitely was very happy with Cassel yesterday. I'd like to see more consistency though. Hopefully we won't have to be discussing this by the end of the year.

From last weeks game to yesterday they Cassel took a huge step in the offense. If he can take that step again I think this is something that we will stop talking about. As long as he keeps it up through the season.

[Hayvern]

Five teams claiming Bills QB Edwards? - Scoop Du Jour - NFL* - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Five-teams-claiming-Bills-QB-Edwards-;_ylt=AnxkilnTw55_btdAXQYe7Ub.uLYF?urn=nfl-272924)

looks like the chiefs are interested in Trent Edwards

[pbatrucker]

Five teams claiming Bills QB Edwards? - Scoop Du Jour - NFL* - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Five-teams-claiming-Bills-QB-Edwards-;_ylt=AnxkilnTw55_btdAXQYe7Ub.uLYF?urn=nfl-272924)

looks like the chiefs are interested in Trent Edwards
I read on AP that Edwards would go to t
he 49er's if they put in a claim.

[Hayvern]

I read on AP that Edwards would go to t
he 49er's if they put in a claim.

Apparently, the waiver gets reset today, September 28th, so now with our current record, we will be one of the last teams that get a shot at released ball players.

[pbatrucker]

He was claimed by the Jags.

[wildcat]

If the rumor that we tried to put a claim on Edwards doesn't light a fire under Cassel, I don't know what will.

[yashi]

Good, I'd rather just draft a QB anyway if we need to. Trent Edwards is hardly the answer.

[wildcat]

Good, I'd rather just draft a QB anyway if we need to. Trent Edwards is hardly the answer.

Here's the problem though...We will not be drafting in the top 10 next year and, if we continue to play the way we have been, we may not be drafting in the top 20. That makes drafting a franchise QB a lot tougher.

[yashi]

Here's the problem though...We will not be drafting in the top 10 next year and, if we continue to play the way we have been, we may not be drafting in the top 20. That makes drafting a franchise QB a lot tougher.

Maybe, but there are a lot of great quarterbacks drafted in the mid or late first round. Aaron Rodgers was picked 24th overall. Drew Brees was the 1st pick of the 2nd round, Big Ben 11th, Cutler 11th. Heck, look how far Clausen fell last year, and he was the 2nd QB taken.

QBs are a crapshoot in the draft, so I'm OK with not getting first dibs.

[N TX Dave]

Here's the problem though...We will not be drafting in the top 10 next year and, if we continue to play the way we have been, we may not be drafting in the top 20. That makes drafting a franchise QB a lot tougher.

And where was Brady picked and by whom?

[wildcat]

And where was Brady picked and by whom?

I said it would be a lot tougher, not impossible. See if you can find some statistics for the success rate of QBs drafted in the first 10 picks vs those drafted in the 6th round like Brady.

I agree that the Chiefs should attempt to draft and develop a QB. I was just pointing out that it's not going to be easy and it might take some time. In the meantime, we need to make sure that we have somebody decent playing QB whether it's Cassel, Croyle, Edwards, or somebody else.

[Hayvern]

I said it would be a lot tougher, not impossible. See if you can find some statistics for the success rate of QBs drafted in the first 10 picks vs those drafted in the 6th round like Brady.

I agree that the Chiefs should attempt to draft and develop a QB. I was just pointing out that it's not going to be easy and it might take some time. In the meantime, we need to make sure that we have somebody decent playing QB whether it's Cassel, Croyle, Edwards, or somebody else.

Well let's take a look at some of the better QBs in history

Joe Montana, taken in the third round, 82nd overall
Brett Favre, taken in the second round, 33rd overall
Kurt Warner, was not even drafted in the NFL he played Arena Football first.
Steve Young, played in the USFL first and was not drafted in teh NFL
Dan Marino went 27th in the draft
Trent Green 8th round, 222nd pick

Then you have the infamous

Matt Lienart
Jamarcus Russell
Vince Young

I know I am missing many others as well, but those come to mind.

Being taken early in the draft does not guarantee success, no more than being taken late means you cannot be a success. I tell you that if Matt Cassel can become a Trent Green or a Kurt Warner, then I will be a happy camper.

[Canada]

Ryan Leaf

[yashi]

Alex Smith, Akili Smith, David Carr,

Todd Bla....... Nope, can't say it.

[Canada]

Alex Smith, Akili Smith, David Carr,

Todd Bla....... Nope, can't say it.:lol::lol:

[Hayvern]

Alex Smith, Akili Smith, David Carr,

Todd Bla....... Nope, can't say it.

I was purposely avoiding our errors. No one here wants to be reminded.

[MDChiefs!]

Matts performance this Sunday will tell us alot about him. After that good game last week he needs to come out and show us he can be a consistent player for us. I hate losing just as much as the next guy, but I can be alot more content with a loss if we have good play from Cassel.

[OTR Chiefs fan]

Matts performance this Sunday will tell us alot about him. After that good game last week he needs to come out and show us he can be a consistent player for us. I hate losing just as much as the next guy, but I can be alot more content with a loss if we have good play from Cassel.

I agree. Cassell needs to play well so that the Indy "D" doesn't stack the box against the run. :chiefs:

[matthewschiefs]

I agree. Cassell needs to play well so that the Indy "D" doesn't stack the box against the run. :chiefs:


If Cassell can hit a pass early on that will be HUGE. I hope that the bye week was useful for Weis working with him.

[H-townChiefsFan]

I would like to see the chiefs get Daniel from the Saints. He was impressive in the preseason. What do you think it would take? A third rounder?

[stricken721]

I would like to see the chiefs get Daniel from the Saints. He was impressive in the preseason. What do you think it would take? A third rounder?

A 3rd round pick for him is way too high. Considering he went undrafted a 6th or 7th round pick might work. When he came out of college and into the NFL I was wanting KC to draft him, or pick him up in the free agent market. I wouldn't be opposed to it if we traded for him.

I'd trade Palko for Daniel.

[matthewschiefs]

A 3rd round pick for him is way too high. Considering he went undrafted a 6th or 7th round pick might work. When he came out of college and into the NFL I was wanting KC to draft him, or pick him up in the free agent market. I wouldn't be opposed to it if we traded for him.

I'd trade Palko for Daniel.


So would I then again I am not high on Palko so I would trade him for pretty much anything.

[KC DADDY]

Is it not time to get a real Quarter back? We have almost every thing we could ask for. But we wo nt go get a real Quarter back. WHY?

[Ryfo18]

Cassel was fine, the offense was doing great today. One of these days the Chiefs are going to put it together on both sides of the ball.

[Drunker Hillbilly]

Cassel played good enough to win and then some today.

[Hayvern]

Is it not time to get a real Quarter back? We have almost every thing we could ask for. But we wo nt go get a real Quarter back. WHY?

Cassel is not the kind of quarterback we can place the fate of the game on, but he is the guy that can lead this team on the field.

He is not perfect, but in the last few years, QB has not been our biggest need. Now, maybe it is time to go get that guy, though I still think we need an offensive lineman and a receiver first.

Defensively, I believe we have what we need, we are set there, I look for us to go after a receiver in the next draft, followed by a guard or a tackle.

[OTR Chiefs fan]

Cassel played good enough to win and then some today.

I agree. The most important thing in my mind is that he is improving with each week. Is he our QB of the future? I don't know yet. I'll reserve my opinion on that at the end of the season and look at the entire body of work. :chiefs:

[pbatrucker]

Cassel is not the kind of quarterback we can place the fate of the game on, but he is the guy that can lead this team on the field.

He is not perfect, but in the last few years, QB has not been our biggest need. Now, maybe it is time to go get that guy, though I still think we need an offensive lineman and a receiver first.

Defensively, I believe we have what we need, we are set there, I look for us to go after a receiver in the next draft, followed by a guard or a tackle.
I do believe NT is still a need.

[Ryfo18]

I do believe NT is still a need.

You kidding me? Ron Edwards already has 2 sacks this year!

[Three7s]

If we need anything on defense, it's more depth at corner and safety. The line is, by far, the strongest part of the defense.

When's the last time we could say that?

Oh dang, this is a QB thread! Umm, Cassel is okay now?! :lol:

[KC DADDY]

I have a change of heart. I believe we can win with Kassle. Just dont put him in a spot he don t need to be in and he will be fine. Lets go get another offesive lineman and reciever. Bowe is growing up get someone to help him and we are on our way. I will see everyone Sunday when we play the Bills. See you later.

[KC DADDY]

I guess i need to learn to spell. Oh well we all no who I am spelling. LOL

[hersheybar1957]

If we are winning and Cassel is in there then he should stay there. But if we are losing games based on Cassel's play then I say hell yeah bring Brodie in. I really like how he played during the Baltimore game last year against that defense. Just gotta put the guy in there that gives us the best chance to win games.

FICKLE

[KC DADDY]

I feel that our curent quarterback is improving each week. he has a chance to give us 2 statement wins against Denver at home and Sandiego in Sandiego. Everyone says we had a fluke win over sandiego to start the year. Now we need to beat and I Mean BEAT Denver then go get a win at Sandiego. Go Chiefs.

[4everchiefsfan25]

We may not have beat down the Denver Broncos and Cassel didn't have a career day, but he managed the game like he should have. Once again he had no INTs his number 1 WR was shut down by a pro bowl corner and he still managed to manage the Chiefs to another win. The more and more Cassel gets the reps and starts getting more confident with himself he just keeps looking better and better.

[matthewschiefs]

We may not have beat down the Denver Broncos and Cassel didn't have a career day, but he managed the game like he should have. Once again he had no INTs his number 1 WR was shut down by a pro bowl corner and he still managed to manage the Chiefs to another win. The more and more Cassel gets the reps and starts getting more confident with himself he just keeps looking better and better.
Cassel is not a qb that is going to go out there and throw 4td passes every game. We don't need him to be. This is yet anther game to show why he is our QB. He was not great but he was not great. He got the job done for how that game was going.

[4everchiefsfan25]

Cassel is not a qb that is going to go out there and throw 4td passes every game. We don't need him to be. This is yet anther game to show why he is our QB. He was not great but he was not great. He got the job done for how that game was going.

Thats true but nobody really knows what Matt Cassel's limits are because he has never been a starter since being in High School. So starting in high school from starting in the NFL the game speed is 50 times faster. Yes Matt doesn't have the strongest arm but if he can keep learning by experience he can keep getting better. I'm not saying that Cassel will be in the HOF but he could be a good QB with time and a coach that can really help QB's like Charlie Weis. There have been a lot of balls that I have seen from Cassel that have been bullets in between defenders that were right on the money. Cassel just needs to keep working on his foot work and reading defenses and going through his progressions and then he will be perfectly fine.

[kcchiefs28]

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5127/5279057586_479c589806.jpg

[kcchiefs28]

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2010/12/37.jpg

Oops wrong thread lol.

[azchiefsfan]

I have been gone from the forum for about a month and a half due to some health issues. Now that I am back, I would like to say "Suck it Cassell/Bowe haters". You same bandwagoners now trumpeting them (who were trashing them at week 8) ought to be ashamed and not be showing your miserable hides. I predicted a 7-9 or 8-8 season. Glad I underestimated them, but at least I never stopped believing in our guys...like some here. I'm calling you out Phoenix boy!

[Chiefster]

I have been gone from the forum for about a month and a half due to some health issues. Now that I am back, I would like to say "Suck it Cassell/Bowe haters". You same bandwagoners now trumpeting them (who were trashing them at week 8) ought to be ashamed and not be showing your miserable hides. I predicted a 7-9 or 8-8 season. Glad I underestimated them, but at least I never stopped believing in our guys...like some here. I'm calling you out Phoenix boy!

Same here and always claimed that anything over that was "gravy". Well, looks like I got the gravy, mashed potatoes, turkey and ham.

[KC DADDY]

brody can not and has never been able to stay heaithy. He is not the answer. But for darn sure neither is MAT

[KC DADDY]

There is a Reason why he was never a starter. Can we all not see that. He is so up and down. We need a Quarterback and also another wide reciever to help dwayne out.

[KC DADDY]

We realy should not be in the play offs. Very glad we are but dont think we are going very far. I was at the game and the raiders used and abused us and did not even have McFaddin. We are getting closer but still have a waise to go. Now we are going to lose our offensive cordinater.

[ctchiefsfan]

I don't know if Cassel is "the man". Every time I start to get enthusiastic about him, he has a bad game.

But OVERALL he has done an excellent job for us this year. He's thrown a decent number of touchdowns, very few pics and has generally avoided being sacked.

He's certainly played better than anyone we've had in a while.

And Croyle impresses me about as much as a week old dog turd.

All that said if we are down badly in the 4th quarter against Baltimore we should be willing to swap QBs.

I'm against playing "musical QBs" during the regular season, but in the playoffs, when its "win or go home" you have to try anything you can try.

:chiefs::chiefs::chiefs: GO CHIEFS!!!

[4everchiefsfan25]

Man why is it that Cassel had a bad game last week which wasnt a do or die situation and all you guys are jumping off his bandwagon? I mean I dont know if I watched the same game that you guys watched but the game that I saw Matt Cassel didnt have very much time at all to throw the ball I just dont understand how you can say how this is the reason why he never was a starting QB but I believe the reason he wasnt ever a starter is because maybe the 2 qbs in College that he was behind her Heisman Trophy winners and the guy he was sitting behind in the NFL umm I dont know if you know or not but he has been a Super Bowl MVP this season alone he has a 9 to 1 touchdown to INT ratio but that seems like Hall Of Fame numbers that guy is putting up whats his name??? oh ya that right Tom Brady.

[ctchiefsfan]

Man why is it that Cassel had a bad game last week which wasnt a do or die situation and all you guys are jumping off his bandwagon? I mean I dont know if I watched the same game that you guys watched but the game that I saw Matt Cassel didnt have very much time at all to throw the ball I just dont understand how you can say how this is the reason why he never was a starting QB but I believe the reason he wasnt ever a starter is because maybe the 2 qbs in College that he was behind her Heisman Trophy winners and the guy he was sitting behind in the NFL umm I dont know if you know or not but he has been a Super Bowl MVP this season alone he has a 9 to 1 touchdown to INT ratio but that seems like Hall Of Fame numbers that guy is putting up whats his name??? oh ya that right Tom Brady.

Hey Man!!!!!

I was never on his bandwagon AND I never "bashed" him either!

There has never been any doubt in my mind that he is a "good" QB.....especially if he has a good O-Line and a decent running game. But then aren't most of them if they do?

All I am questioning is if Cassel is "the man" who will win us a second Superbowl.

I'm not saying he won't. I'm saying I'm not sure he is the guy to do it.

We have a hot and "up-and-coming" team. And they are young! We need a QB who can lead us to Superbowl victory not a QB who will lead us to 8 or 10 years of playoff losses.

[matthewschiefs]

Hey Man!!!!!

I was never on his bandwagon AND I never "bashed" him either!

There has never been any doubt in my mind that he is a "good" QB.....especially if he has a good O-Line and a decent running game. But then aren't most of them if they do?

All I am questioning is if Cassel is "the man" who will win us a second Superbowl.

I'm not saying he won't. I'm saying I'm not sure he is the guy to do it.

We have a hot and "up-and-coming" team. And they are young! We need a QB who can lead us to Superbowl victory not a QB who will lead us to 8 or 10 years of playoff losses.

We will see how Cassel does in the playoffs Sunday. I am excitied to see that. If we do lose that's the one thing that will come out of it This team will now have playoff experiance. I hope to see Cassel have one of his best games and show that he can win playoff games sunday.

[matthewschiefs]

There is a Reason why he was never a starter. Can we all not see that. He is so up and down. We need a Quarterback and also another wide reciever to help dwayne out.


Not many QBS are up when the o line is letting 3 guys come unblocked. We had a down game on offense Sunday but there is no reason to be down on Cassel he had FAR more ups then downs. That's something I think will get better the more he plays.

[ctchiefsfan]

We will see how Cassel does in the playoffs Sunday. I am excitied to see that. If we do lose that's the one thing that will come out of it This team will now have playoff experiance. I hope to see Cassel have one of his best games and show that he can win playoff games sunday.

Yeah.....I want us to win Sunday too. Like we all do. But like I said....MY jury on Cassel is still out.

If we had needed to beat the faiders to make it to the playoffs and Cassel had had that kind of a day, then I'd say it was time to find a new QB. But we didn't "have" to beat the Faiders so Cassel gets a "by" on that game.

No "bys" come Sunday against the Ravens. Superbowl quarterbacks "find a way to win". And that quality is where I have my doubts about Cassel.

Whether we win or lose, Cassel has to show he understands what it means to have the whole season on the line.

If we win....GREAT!

If we lose, but Cassel fights like he's fighting a mugger for the life of his kids....that's OK too.

If we lose and he acts like a scared jackrabbit like he did against Oakland.....

Well.....then we need to be looking for a QB in the draft that can replace Cassel in the next 2 years.

Come Sunday, Cassel needs to show that he is the "real deal".

[matthewschiefs]

Yeah.....I want us to win Sunday too. Like we all do. But like I said....MY jury on Cassel is still out.

If we had needed to beat the faiders to make it to the playoffs and Cassel had had that kind of a day, then I'd say it was time to find a new QB. But we didn't "have" to beat the Faiders so Cassel gets a "by" on that game.

No "bys" come Sunday against the Ravens. Superbowl quarterbacks "find a way to win". And that quality is where I have my doubts about Cassel.

Whether we win or lose, Cassel has to show he understands what it means to have the whole season on the line.

If we win....GREAT!

If we lose, but Cassel fights like he's fighting a mugger for the life of his kids....that's OK too.

If we lose and he acts like a scared jackrabbit like he did against Oakland.....

Well.....then we need to be looking for a QB in the draft that can replace Cassel in the next 2 years.

Come Sunday, Cassel needs to show that he is the "real deal".

I won't be one to give up on Cassel should he struggle against the Ravens. He would not be the first to struggle in there first playoff game. But I would much rather see him just tear it up against the Ravens so we won't have to worry about it.

[ctchiefsfan]

matthewschiefs.....

I didn't say get rid of Cassel if we didn't win against the dirty birds.

I said "If we lose, but Cassel fights like he's fighting a mugger for the life of his kids....that's OK too."

Cassel did not do that against the faiders.

He had better do it against the dirty birds!

If he doesn't then he is not a Superbowl quality QB.

[matthewschiefs]

matthewschiefs.....

I didn't say get rid of Cassel if we didn't win against the dirty birds.

I said "If we lose, but Cassel fights like he's fighting a mugger for the life of his kids....that's OK too."

Cassel did not do that against the faiders.

He had better do it against the dirty birds!

If he doesn't then he is not a Superbowl quality QB.

I was talking about if he does happen to have a bad game. SHOULD he struggle I don't think it would be time to give up on him. This will be his first playoff game. Many players have struggled at there first playoff game and rebounded. I would rather keep with him then start over at the QB spot. Even if he seems to have a really bad game Sunday.

[ctchiefsfan]

I was talking about if he does happen to have a bad game. SHOULD he struggle I don't think it would be time to give up on him. This will be his first playoff game. Many players have struggled at there first playoff game and rebounded. I would rather keep with him then start over at the QB spot. Even if he seems to have a really bad game Sunday.

Clearly we are not understanding each other.

Blame it on the net!!!!

I WANT Cassel to be the QB that brings us our second Superbowl!

And for personal reasons I WANT him to defeat New England to get us to the Superbowl.

And he is a very good QB! Maybe the best we have had since Montana.

But I just haven't seen "it" in him yet.

That burning desire.

That "OK...there is 5 minutes left and we are down by 13 but I don't give a FUDGECICLE.......WE ARE GOING TO WIN THIS GAME!!!!!!!"

Thats what it takes to make a Superbowl QB.

And yes...those kind of QBs DO lose. Lots of times! Look at Roger Staubach!

Cassel has the skills.

Does he have the spirit?

Its his spirit I doubt, not his skills.

:chiefs::chiefs::chiefs: GO CHIEFS!!!

[matthewschiefs]

Clearly we are not understanding each other.

Blame it on the net!!!!

I WANT Cassel to be the QB that brings us our second Superbowl!

And for personal reasons I WANT him to defeat New England to get us to the Superbowl.

And he is a very good QB! Maybe the best we have had since Montana.

But I just haven't seen "it" in him yet.

That burning desire.

That "OK...there is 5 minutes left and we are down by 13 but I don't give a FUDGECICLE.......WE ARE GOING TO WIN THIS GAME!!!!!!!"

Thats what it takes to make a Superbowl QB.

And yes...those kind of QBs DO lose. Lots of times! Look at Roger Staubach!

Cassel has the skills.

Does he have the spirit?

Its his spirit I doubt, not his skills.

:chiefs::chiefs::chiefs: GO CHIEFS!!!


I think we are agreeing on 99% of the issue. The only thing I am saying that if Cassel does really seem to struggle in this game I don't think we need to pick up anther QB except for the backup role. YES I want him to look really good and not even make this an issue going forward. But if he doesn't I will look at it just like last years regular season. First time through Learn something and use that experiance to make yourself a better player. If he struggles in the playoffs next year shoud we get that far then I will start to doubt that he is not the QB to lead us to the superbowl.

[ctchiefsfan]

Lets be honest......

We need to pick up a backup QB. The question is....are we looking for a long term backup or somebody that might be the starter in 2 years? The answer to that question will have a HUGE impact on how we draft.

To my way of thinking, the answer to that question will be answered by Matt Cassel on sunday.

Personally, I WANT Cassel to show us Sunday that he is the only QB the Chiefs will need for the next 10 years.

I WANT HIM TO SUCCEED!!!!

But Sunday is going to tell me a lot about him.

Not whether we win or lose, but how he plays.

On Sunday, Matt Cassel will decide if he is an "also ran" or a future star.

Its up to him.

[chief31]

Well, Cassel's first playoff game is not going to be the game that assures me that he will never be "That Guy", "The Guy", or whatever.