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m0ef0e
09-19-2007, 04:08 PM
Okay, I know I am a total homer and I also know that we have made a wealth of mistakes in our first two games.

That being said, I still feel that there is no reason to panic. The Chiefs were 0-2 last year and still managed to get into the playoffs. This is typical for Edwards, whose teams are known for starting slow and finishing strong.

4 out of 5 years with the Jets, Edwards' team had a losing record at the beginning of the season. 3 out of 5 years, they made the playoffs.

This early uphill climb is normal with a team coached by Edwards. While the early-season situation Herm tends to get into is less than ideal, you can bet that this team will be playing a lot better later in the season.

What I saw against the Bears last week was a team that played well enough to give themselves some chances to win over a team that was in the superbowl last year. As the offense comes together and improves this season look for us to capitalize on some of these opportunities and win some games. Especially if the Chiefs can dramatically reduce the number of penalties and turnovers we have seen thus far.

In my opinion, the only thing that gives the Chiefs a chance of getting to the next level is the fact that this roster hosts more talent than it gets credit for. If the offense can gel and we can eliminate some mistakes on that side of the ball as well as special teams, we have the potential to be a very dangerous team with how our defense is playing right now.

Again, I know I'm a total homer but if this team gets on a roll, I really think we can run some people over. Nobody has been surprised yet by anything the Chiefs have done thus far, but I think that is about to change this week against the Vikings.

luv
09-19-2007, 04:11 PM
I'm glad someone has caught on to the whole 0-2 thing as well. I try to point that out, but no one seems to pay attention. I still think we can salvage something IF our offense can gel. Our special teams needsto start playing like they did in preseason, too. Kick that ball high, Mr Colquitt. We need some time to get to the other end of the field.

hermhater
09-19-2007, 04:23 PM
Okay, I know I am a total homer and I also know that we have made a wealth of mistakes in our first two games.

That being said, I still feel that there is no reason to panic. The Chiefs were 0-2 last year and still managed to get into the playoffs. This is typical for Edwards, whose teams are known for starting slow and finishing strong.

4 out of 5 years with the Jets, Edwards' team had a losing record at the beginning of the season. 3 out of 5 years, they made the playoffs.

This early uphill climb is normal with a team coached by Edwards. While the early-season situation Herm tends to get into is less than ideal, you can bet that this team will be playing a lot better later in the season.

What I saw against the Bears last week was a team that played well enough to give themselves some chances to win over a team that was in the superbowl last year. As the offense comes together and improves this season look for us to capitalize on some of these opportunities and win some games. Especially if the Chiefs can dramatically reduce the number of penalties and turnovers we have seen thus far.

In my opinion, the only thing that gives the Chiefs a chance of getting to the next level is the fact that this roster hosts more talent than it gets credit for. If the offense can gel and we can eliminate some mistakes on that side of the ball as well as special teams, we have the potential to be a very dangerous team with how our defense is playing right now.

Again, I know I'm a total homer but if this team gets on a roll, I really think we can run some people over. Nobody has been surprised yet by anything the Chiefs have done thus far, but I think that is about to change this week against the Vikings.


I am constantly surprised by what HERM does. I guess I should be used to it by now but it takes time to get used to mediocrity and poor decision making.

If you are constantly making poor decisions you need to stop and think "OK I need to do the exact opposite of what I did before."

Kind of like when George Costanza decided to do exactly the opposite of what he normally would have done.

Before he knew it he had the girl, the job, everything.

Learn from George, HERM, learn from George.

m0ef0e
09-19-2007, 04:27 PM
I'm glad someone has caught on to the whole 0-2 thing as well. I try to point that out, but no one seems to pay attention. I still think we can salvage something IF our offense can gel. Our special teams needsto start playing like they did in preseason, too. Kick that ball high, Mr Colquitt. We need some time to get to the other end of the field.

Yeah, I think I remember you saying something about it in another thread. Also, I seem to remember our punt coverage being pretty good against Houston and the playcalling was not so vanilla on the first drive of that game as it was against the Bears. Nothing looks good when you're 0-2 but there have been a few flashes of the potential this team has so far, IMO. The Chiefs' players know that they are a good team and all the doubting and adversity they are facing right now may actually help them to "circle the wagons", so to speak.

chief31
09-19-2007, 04:29 PM
Okay, I know I am a total homer and I also know that we have made a wealth of mistakes in our first two games.

That being said, I still feel that there is no reason to panic. The Chiefs were 0-2 last year and still managed to get into the playoffs. This is typical for Edwards, whose teams are known for starting slow and finishing strong.

4 out of 5 years with the Jets, Edwards' team had a losing record at the beginning of the season. 3 out of 5 years, they made the playoffs.

This early uphill climb is normal with a team coached by Edwards. While the early-season situation Herm tends to get into is less than ideal, you can bet that this team will be playing a lot better later in the season.

What I saw against the Bears last week was a team that played well enough to give themselves some chances to win over a team that was in the superbowl last year. As the offense comes together and improves this season look for us to capitalize on some of these opportunities and win some games. Especially if the Chiefs can dramatically reduce the number of penalties and turnovers we have seen thus far.

In my opinion, the only thing that gives the Chiefs a chance of getting to the next level is the fact that this roster hosts more talent than it gets credit for. If the offense can gel and we can eliminate some mistakes on that side of the ball as well as special teams, we have the potential to be a very dangerous team with how our defense is playing right now.

Again, I know I'm a total homer but if this team gets on a roll, I really think we can run some people over. Nobody has been surprised yet by anything the Chiefs have done thus far, but I think that is about to change this week against the Vikings.

NIce. But for me, this game against the Vikings is a "must-win" game. While all of the world and their "San Diego sucks, since they got blown-out" kind of mentallity may be thinking that the Chiefs world has become engulfed in flames, I have another game, before I can even feel the heat. My expectations are still as low as they were, coming into the season, but my hopes haven't gone anywhere either.

All of the world seems to be thinking that the Green Bay Packers are suddenly a playoff team. Aside from Packers fans, did any of them have the Pack going to the playoffs before they were given a freebie by the Eagles and they managed to put up some points against the very sad Giants defense?

Every week, these people are amazed by something and remain that way, until the next stunning developement.

For me, the only real stunner this young season, is the poor play by the Saints. But, count on this, from the rest of the world, they will be awestruck, when the Saints pull it back together and shocked by the fact that their preseason Super Bowl pick, the Chargers re-emerge as a top team.

That is the mentallity of the masses. They get to enjoy sixteen full seasons per year. Every week, some team that was a world beater the previous week, will become a cellar-dweller. And every week, some team that was worthless last week, will be on their way to the Super Bowl.

It is two weeks people. And, not just any two weeks, but the two most unpredictable weeks of the year, the first two, when teams are still shaking off the rust from the offseason and shuffling their deck together. Every year some teams start great and finish poorly, while others start out looking bad and wind-up contending.

Everyone should step back and get a broader perspective about things.

texaschief
09-19-2007, 04:32 PM
I guess I should be used to it by now but it takes time to get used to mediocrity and poor decision making.



you're a Chiefs fan....you've been mediocre for some time now....about 50 years or so. How much time do you need?

anaeelbackwards
09-19-2007, 04:36 PM
In my opinion, the only thing that gives the Chiefs a chance of getting to the next level is the fact that this roster hosts more talent than it gets credit for. If the offense can gel and we can eliminate some mistakes on that side of the ball as well as special teams, we have the potential to be a very dangerous team with how our defense is playing right now.

Again, I know I'm a total homer but if this team gets on a roll, I really think we can run some people over. Nobody has been surprised yet by anything the Chiefs have done thus far, but I think that is about to change this week against the Vikings.

The Defense is doing its job. They have given up some plays, big deal. It's because the offensive side didn't give the defense some time to stay off of the field. What was it like 2/3 of the games the defense was on the field, and the other third the offense wasn't converting on third downs.

On the offensive side, I agree we have all the potential elements to be a good time. We've got some big names, playmakers but no production. Everyone just has to be on the same page and believe that it can happen. It doesn't help that our o-line is kind of weak, but its only 2 games.

I really look forward to seeing Dwayne Bowe making some big plays down the season. He's looking to be something spectacular. We haven't had a showtime receiver in a while, he's it.

hermhater
09-19-2007, 04:36 PM
you're a Chiefs fan....you've been mediocre for some time now....about 50 years or so. How much time do you need?

Ok I should say I'm not used to it so early in the season. We usually don't break down this bad until we lose in the post season.

My bad...

texaschief
09-19-2007, 04:41 PM
Chiefs world has become engulfed in flames, I have another game, before I can even feel the heat.


Everyone should step back and get a broader perspective about things.

first off, for the first time in a LONG time i've felt like there's acutally a light at the end of the tunnel. it may not happen this year, but ppl really need to start looking at this team for what it is...a young, solid foundation for the future. This team is gaining experience...it IS the youngest team in the league after all and yes, we just gave the defending NFC champs all they could handle... that was impressive... this team won't be shooting themselves in the foot forever.

You're right, everyone should take a step back and gain a broader perspective. Look at this team and Herm Edwards PAST this season!!

anaeelbackwards
09-19-2007, 04:44 PM
TRUE, this is a young team. And we should take a broader perspective of this season.

Rex Grossman, isn't exactly a good quarterback either.
:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

texaschief
09-19-2007, 04:45 PM
TRUE, this is a young team. And we should take a broader perspective of this season.

Rex Grossman, isn't exactly a good quarterback either.
:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

neither is Damon Huard or Brodie Croyle. Give me Brian Brohm!!

m0ef0e
09-19-2007, 04:47 PM
NIce. But for me, this game against the Vikings is a "must-win" game. While all of the world and their "San Diego sucks, since they got blown-out" kind of mentallity may be thinking that the Chiefs world has become engulfed in flames, I have another game, before I can even feel the heat. My expectations are still as low as they were, coming into the season, but my hopes haven't gone anywhere either.

All of the world seems to be thinking that the Green Bay Packers are suddenly a playoff team. Aside from Packers fans, did any of them have the Pack going to the playoffs before they were given a freebie by the Eagles and they managed to put up some points against the very sad Giants defense?

Every week, these people are amazed by something and remain that way, until the next stunning developement.

For me, the only real stunner this young season, is the poor play by the Saints. But, count on this, from the rest of the world, they will be awestruck, when the Saints pull it back together and shocked by the fact that their preseason Super Bowl pick, the Chargers re-emerge as a top team.

That is the mentallity of the masses. They get to enjoy sixteen full seasons per year. Every week, some team that was a world beater the previous week, will become a cellar-dweller. And every week, some team that was worthless last week, will be on their way to the Super Bowl.

It is two weeks people. And, not just any two weeks, but the two most unpredictable weeks of the year, the first two, when teams are still shaking off the rust from the offseason and shuffling their deck together. Every year some teams start great and finish poorly, while others start out looking bad and wind-up contending.

Everyone should step back and get a broader perspective about things.

This is an excellent post. I agree this is a "must-win" for the Chiefs. It's truly a shame that we find ourselves in this situation already. I hope we are up to the challenge. You are totally right about the wish-washy mentality of the fans and media too. Despite how this season has started, I still have a clear mental image of all these media guys talking about how blown away they are by the Chiefs when we start whoopin' that ***! However, they probably try to get everbody to forget that NONE of them gave the Chiefs a chance this year and instead try not to act surprised in order to make themlseves look smarter.

chief31
09-19-2007, 04:48 PM
first off, for the first time in a LONG time i've felt like there's acutally a light at the end of the tunnel. it may not happen this year, but ppl really need to start looking at this team for what it is...a young, solid foundation for the future. This team is gaining experience...it IS the youngest team in the league after all and yes, we just gave the defending NFC champs all they could handle... that was impressive... this team won't be shooting themselves in the foot forever.

You're right, everyone should take a step back and gain a broader perspective. Look at this team and Herm Edwards PAST this season!!

Herm history of failing to consider the offensive line an important unit is what keeps him on my bad side. That can't be changed until another offseason comes around.

Though it would be nice to see football teams start working some mid-late season trades, similar to what happens in the MLB. Some teams are on the verge of making the playoffs, while others are considering starting to rebuild. Why not work something out? Just a thought. Totally off-subject I suppose.

anaeelbackwards
09-19-2007, 04:48 PM
neither is Damon Huard or Brodie Croyle. Give me Brian Brohm!!

hahahaah. wheres CASEY PRINTERS when you need him...

i forgot the exact quote but at least he could make CHICKEN SALAD out of CHICKEN ****.
:beer::bananen_smilies046::toast2:

texaschief
09-19-2007, 04:49 PM
by the way, it's a little off topic, but can someone tell me what arrowhead cash is and what it's importance is please. i just noticed it and a i want to know why some of you have like a billion bucks and why you haven't spent it...lol...what's the purpose?

Canada
09-19-2007, 04:50 PM
hahahaah. wheres CASEY PRINTERS when you need him...

i forgot the exact quote but at least he could make CHICKEN SALAD out of CHICKEN ****.
:beer::bananen_smilies046::toast2:

He's just down the street from me, u guys want me to bring him when I come down?? :lol:

luv
09-19-2007, 04:51 PM
by the way, it's a little off topic, but can someone tell me what arrowhead cash is and what it's importance is please. i just noticed it and a i want to know why some of you have like a billion bucks and why you haven't spent it...lol...what's the purpose?
There's a forum for betting All in fun. Uses Arowhead cash. You earn it by posting and winning, of course.

hermhater
09-19-2007, 04:52 PM
by the way, it's a little off topic, but can someone tell me what arrowhead cash is and what it's importance is please. i just noticed it and a i want to know why some of you have like a billion bucks and why you haven't spent it...lol...what's the purpose?

There are weekly bets on different stats I think...

I am currently betting very conservative as I am one of the poorest posters on this site, sigh...

chief31
09-19-2007, 04:53 PM
by the way, it's a little off topic, but can someone tell me what arrowhead cash is and what it's importance is please. i just noticed it and a i want to know why some of you have like a billion bucks and why you haven't spent it...lol...what's the purpose?

Arrow cash is the virtual money that we use for the sportsbook forum. You earn arrowcash for every post and every character in each post, that you make/use. Then, you can place bets in the sportsbook forum, on whatever I think of putting odds on. Strictly for fun.

texaschief
09-19-2007, 05:02 PM
Herm history of failing to consider the offensive line an important unit is what keeps him on my bad side. That can't be changed until another offseason comes around.



You can't make everyone happy. what exactly was he supposed to do with the O-line? He signed an OT(Terry) late last season and then signed another OT(McIntosh) during the offseason. We have a pro bowl guard in Waters and what should be a pro bowl center in Wiegman. Now we also have put Welbourn back in his original position...on paper, this O-line SHOULD be working...what would make things better in your mind?

We NEEDED a big time reciever that everyone was clamoring for, for the past 3 years...you finally got one. The D-line couldn't put any pressure on anyone up the gut...so, we drafted 2 D-linemen. So, in the past 2 years, what has herm done that was so bad in the offseason and draft? Maybe we shouldn't have drafted Hali, Pollard or Brodie "the future" Croyle last year. So, which of the last top 6 picks would rather not have in place for an O-lineman? Turk? cuz he's the only questionable thing i've seen Herm do in the draft thus far.

hermhater
09-19-2007, 05:10 PM
You can't make everyone happy. what exactly was he supposed to do with the O-line? He signed an OT(Terry) late last season and then signed another OT(McIntosh) during the offseason. We have a pro bowl guard in Waters and what should be a pro bowl center in Wiegman. Now we also have put Welbourn back in his original position...on paper, this O-line SHOULD be working...what would make things better in your mind?

We NEEDED a big time reciever that everyone was clamoring for, for the past 3 years...you finally got one. The D-line couldn't put any pressure on anyone up the gut...so, we drafted 2 D-linemen. So, in the past 2 years, what has herm done that was so bad in the offseason and draft? Maybe we shouldn't have drafted Hali, Pollard or Brodie "the future" Croyle last year. So, which of the last top 6 picks would rather not have in place for an O-lineman? Turk? cuz he's the only questionable thing i've seen Herm do in the draft thus far.

If HERM's gonna make the best quarterback in preseason make chicken salad out of chicken **** then why shouldn't he also be held to the same level of responsibility?

I'm tired of HERM pointing out all of the things that the players did wrong (to give him a slight bit of credit it he does have the insight to use the term "we" when he is dissing the players) like "we" fumbled the ball, or "we" made a mistake (illegal shift).

Does he not realize he is the leader and when those mistakes are made it is because he has not mentally prepared these guys in camp or preseason.

texaschief
09-19-2007, 05:16 PM
If HERM's gonna make the best quarterback in preseason make chicken salad out of chicken **** then why shouldn't he also be held to the same level of responsibility?

I'm tired of HERM pointing out all of the things that the players did wrong (to give him a slight bit of credit it he does have the insight to use the term "we" when he is dissing the players) like "we" fumbled the ball, or "we" made a mistake (illegal shift).

Does he not realize he is the leader and when those mistakes are made it is because he has not mentally prepared these guys in camp or preseason.

at some point, the players have to earn thier money. i dont buy multi-millionaires not being held accountable for fumbles and mental errors.

chief31
09-19-2007, 05:19 PM
You can't make everyone happy. what exactly was he supposed to do with the O-line? He signed an OT(Terry) late last season and then signed another OT(McIntosh) during the offseason. We have a pro bowl guard in Waters and what should be a pro bowl center in Wiegman. Now we also have put Welbourn back in his original position...on paper, this O-line SHOULD be working...what would make things better in your mind?

We NEEDED a big time reciever that everyone was clamoring for, for the past 3 years...you finally got one. The D-line couldn't put any pressure on anyone up the gut...so, we drafted 2 D-linemen. So, in the past 2 years, what has herm done that was so bad in the offseason and draft? Maybe we shouldn't have drafted Hali, Pollard or Brodie "the future" Croyle last year. So, which of the last top 6 picks would rather not have in place for an O-lineman? Turk? cuz he's the only questionable thing i've seen Herm do in the draft thus far.

Let's see.... Herm is responsible fro seven drafts, not just two. Never has he dratfed any offensive linemen before th middle of the third round. And only that one, on the first day. Considering the beating that he allwoed Pennington to take and the nera career-threatening injury that he allowed Trent Green, one of the most durable quarterbacks in the NFL before Herms arrival in K.C., to take, I would have thought that he could have taken the hint.

As for who I would have skipped? Basically everyone. Seein' as how I would have taken Winston Justice in '06, everything else would have been different. I also would have taken Joe Staley, this season, if I didn't already have Justice. Herm is well-known for his eye for defensive talent and can afford to wait for a round, to address those areas, while he gives special attention to the areas that he is clearly alot less familiar with.

The fact that he may have drafted some good players doesn't change the fact that he has always failed at addressing his offensive line. You can have all of the good players you want, but if you don't have them on the offensive line, namely at the OT positions, then you will struggle to get points on the board. (Again, Peyton Manning being the very rare exception.)

As for this years draft, while I like Bowe, I would have taken Joe Staley, for whom the 49ers moved up in the draft to take. He is currently starting at RT for the Niners and, at the bare minnimum, looks like a terrific pass-protector.

hermhater
09-19-2007, 05:22 PM
at some point, the players have to earn thier money. i dont buy multi-millionaires not being held accountable for fumbles and mental errors.


They're multi-millionaires because of the morons like us who pay the outrageous fees (i know it's an addiction, I need help too), not because they're mental giants.

Just listen to some of the moronic statements they make in the press everyday.

My point is HERM is the genius he shouldn't be spouting this nonsense to the press.

Comparing Drummond to a Volkswagen for gods sake...

It is the coaches jobs to prepare the players for Sunday. If the player is not prepared it is the COACHES fault. No ifs, ands or buts!

hermhater
09-19-2007, 05:26 PM
You can't make everyone happy. what exactly was he supposed to do with the O-line? He signed an OT(Terry) late last season and then signed another OT(McIntosh) during the offseason. We have a pro bowl guard in Waters and what should be a pro bowl center in Wiegman. Now we also have put Welbourn back in his original position...on paper, this O-line SHOULD be working...what would make things better in your mind?

We NEEDED a big time reciever that everyone was clamoring for, for the past 3 years...you finally got one. The D-line couldn't put any pressure on anyone up the gut...so, we drafted 2 D-linemen. So, in the past 2 years, what has herm done that was so bad in the offseason and draft? Maybe we shouldn't have drafted Hali, Pollard or Brodie "the future" Croyle last year. So, which of the last top 6 picks would rather not have in place for an O-lineman? Turk? cuz he's the only questionable thing i've seen Herm do in the draft thus far.

This is not baseball!

We have the same amount of money as every other team in the league.

Some of them are making very good decisions and hiring excellent assistant coaches (usually out from under us) to make sure each part of the team is prepared for Sunday!

anaeelbackwards
09-19-2007, 05:28 PM
.

My point is HERM is the genius he shouldn't be spouting this nonsense to the press.

Comparing Drummond to a Volkswagen for gods sake...

It is the coaches jobs to prepare the players for Sunday. If the player is not prepared it is the COACHES fault. No ifs, ands or buts!

its a good 50/50.

but more blame should be put on the coaches. they decide what plays happen on the field. who decides whether or not larry johnson gets that screen or runs down the field, or if tony gonzalez gets to receive a ball, the coaches.

the quarterback does to, but the coaches make the right (even if its a bad one) decision.
:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

texaschief
09-19-2007, 05:30 PM
how was he supposed to know Roaf would retire? and again, he signed 2 experienced OTs to help the line now. i for one love Tamba Hali on that D-line. I'm happy with the 06 pick. without a pass rush, our defense would blow

anaeelbackwards
09-19-2007, 05:32 PM
:lol:
who wouldve known that roaf would run off to vegas and change his phone number back then?

where is he anyways?

DrunkHillbilly
09-19-2007, 05:40 PM
What week do I need to start collecting shoestrings?

chief31
09-19-2007, 05:41 PM
how was he supposed to know Roaf would retire? and again, he signed 2 experienced OTs to help the line now. i for one love Tamba Hali on that D-line. I'm happy with the 06 pick. without a pass rush, our defense would blow

The same way that I did. It was innevitible. If he hadn't retired then, he was sure to reitre last season. (Poor argument, considering that he knew that Roaf was retired, before this draft and appearently, Roaf told them well in advance of last years draft.)

Hali doesn't give alot to the passrush. I like the guy, but he hasn't brought much in the way of getting pressure. It looks like he does, based on stats, because Jared Allen flushes the quarterback to him alot. (Last year, obviously.)

As far as the two intermediate experienced OTs that he had brought in, Terry, even moreso than Turley, (based on who is starting) is a washed-up. And Mcintosh shows exactly what Herm thinks of the offensive tackle position. The guy should be playing at guard. He is very good run-blocker, who is mediocre in pass-protection.

texaschief
09-19-2007, 06:47 PM
The same way that I did. It was innevitible. If he hadn't retired then, he was sure to reitre last season. (Poor argument, considering that he knew that Roaf was retired, before this draft and appearently, Roaf told them well in advance of last years draft.)

Hali doesn't give alot to the passrush. I like the guy, but he hasn't brought much in the way of getting pressure. It looks like he does, based on stats, because Jared Allen flushes the quarterback to him alot. (Last year, obviously.)

As far as the two intermediate experienced OTs that he had brought in, Terry, even moreso than Turley, (based on who is starting) is a washed-up. And Mcintosh shows exactly what Herm thinks of the offensive tackle position. The guy should be playing at guard. He is very good run-blocker, who is mediocre in pass-protection.


lol...if you say so.:funnypost:

m0ef0e
09-19-2007, 06:55 PM
lol...if you say so.:funnypost:

This, in no way, helps prove your point. I don't know of many people at all that pays as close attention to the o-line as Chief31 and I tend to agree with him. Especially after taking into consideration Herm's track-record with the Jets. There is a reason why Pennington's arm is about as strong as a wet noodle now after having his shoulder ripped apart repeatedly.

Hali is a badass though. If I disagree with anything Chief31's said thus far, I would have to say that I think Tamba will develop into a very fine player in his own right-- without needing the help of Jared Allen.

texaschief
09-19-2007, 08:57 PM
yall keep talkin about the Pennington like the reason he sucks is because of his line...that's just dumb. How many team records did Herm's run game break while he was there? i guess Curtis did that ALL by himself...if that's the case, why can't Pennington do it all by himself? It's impossible to protect a QB made of glass as Pennington has shown himself to be.

That line sent a RB to the Pro Bowl. Why mess with it?

Going into last year, Roaf was on the roster until mid summer. He was seen in a video talkin to Hali about practicing together. Don't give me that B.S. about "Herm knew he was leaving."

Are the guys we signed to patch the line Pro Bowlers? No. But neither would be a first round OL pick. There were much larger holes to fill than the line this past offseason. Like the D-line, reciever and LB corp. Just because some of these guys aren't playing like all-pros doesn't mean Herm's ignoring the line.

But, stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes and pretend that he's an awful coach...in one year with a lesser team, he accomplished what your infallible Dick Vermiel did in 5 seasons with the best O-line in the history of the NFL and 2 super stud runningbacks and a Pro Bowl QB...

So, who should our new coach be? maybe MIKE MARTZ!!! HE LIKES OFFENSE!!! i mean, we obviously can't have Norv Turner...he's already taken. The coaching pool is so deep!! lets throw Herm away...hey, maybe Bill Cower!!!...no wait...yall don't like defense or long term coaches...hmm...who could we get?

Canada
09-19-2007, 08:59 PM
yall keep talkin about the Pennington like the reason he sucks is because of his line...that's just dumb. How many team records did Herm's run game break while he was there? i guess Curtis did that ALL by himself...if that's the case, why can't Pennington do it all by himself? It's impossible to protect a QB made of glass as Pennington has shown himself to be.

That line sent a RB to the Pro Bowl. Why mess with it?

Going into last year, Roaf was on the roster until mid summer. He was seen in a video talkin to Hali about practicing together. Don't give me that B.S. about "Herm knew he was leaving."

Are the guys we signed to patch the line Pro Bowlers? No. But neither would be a first round OL pick. There were much larger holes to fill than the line this past offseason. Like the D-line, reciever and LB corp. Just because some of these guys aren't playing like all-pros doesn't mean Herm's ignoring the line.

But, stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes and pretend that he's an awful coach...in one year with a lesser team, he accomplished what your infallible Dick Vermiel did in 5 seasons with the best O-line in the history of the NFL and 2 super stud runningbacks and a Pro Bowl QB...

So, who should our new coach be? maybe MIKE MARTZ!!! HE LIKES OFFENSE!!! i mean, we obviously can't have Norv Turner...he's already taken. The coaching pool is so deep!! lets throw Herm away...hey, maybe Bill Cower!!!...no wait...yall don't like defense or long term coaches...hmm...who could we get?

How could you not know the answer....U are from Texas. U already know it all. :beer:

texaschief
09-19-2007, 09:11 PM
How could you not know the answer....U are from Texas. U already know it all. :beer:

...sarcasm!!...mature. Hey, how's the CFL going?

hermhater
09-19-2007, 09:15 PM
...sarcasm!!...mature. Hey, how's the CFL going?


Doesn't really matter how the CFL is going he's a chiefs fan.

That's the whole point of this site lone star sucka....

hehehehe

chief31
09-19-2007, 10:40 PM
yall keep talkin about the Pennington like the reason he sucks is because of his line...that's just dumb. How many team records did Herm's run game break while he was there? i guess Curtis did that ALL by himself...if that's the case, why can't Pennington do it all by himself? It's impossible to protect a QB made of glass as Pennington has shown himself to be.

That line sent a RB to the Pro Bowl. Why mess with it?

Going into last year, Roaf was on the roster until mid summer. He was seen in a video talkin to Hali about practicing together. Don't give me that B.S. about "Herm knew he was leaving."

Are the guys we signed to patch the line Pro Bowlers? No. But neither would be a first round OL pick. There were much larger holes to fill than the line this past offseason. Like the D-line, reciever and LB corp. Just because some of these guys aren't playing like all-pros doesn't mean Herm's ignoring the line.

But, stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes and pretend that he's an awful coach...in one year with a lesser team, he accomplished what your infallible Dick Vermiel did in 5 seasons with the best O-line in the history of the NFL and 2 super stud runningbacks and a Pro Bowl QB...

So, who should our new coach be? maybe MIKE MARTZ!!! HE LIKES OFFENSE!!! i mean, we obviously can't have Norv Turner...he's already taken. The coaching pool is so deep!! lets throw Herm away...hey, maybe Bill Cower!!!...no wait...yall don't like defense or long term coaches...hmm...who could we get?

Teams that suck on offense can geneally run the ball. Run blocking is the easy part of playing on the O-line. You live in Texas, ask a few of the all-world o-linemen in your area. I have never met an offensive lineman that would disagree with that. (well, maybe an interior lineman, or two.) Just because you can find a few guys who are good at the easy part of their job, doesn't make them excellent at the difficult part. How do you even make that connection?

As far as D.V goes... A) Evryone here has said that he was poor in his attempts at creating a decent defense. All of that exaggeration and sarcasm is infantile. Stop it, you are embarrassing yourself. B) Vermiels teams were much better teams than Herms. Period.

I don't come on here for the purpose of lying to you. I was pissed that we allowed Winston Justice to slip past us. Because Willie Roaf and Will Shields had both been contemplating retirement in previous seasons, meaning that we were going to need replacements, soon.

And yes, Bill Cowher. After years of trying to win with nothing but defense, he finally excepted that his team needed to be able to throw the ball, to win it all. And his record speaks for itself anyway. During none of Herm Edwards' seasons as a head coach has his team had a better defense, than Cowhers. And in only one of them, has he managed a better offense.

Then we get more of your snivelling sarcasm. As if nobody but you has any appreciation for defense. Look, you come on here and announce that since you are from Texas, you are the only one here who knows anything about football. Then you start pissing all over yourself, when your concept is challenged. GET OVER YOURSELF!!

Take a look around the country. Everyone is playing football. It is no longer exclusive to the state of Texas.

hermhater
09-19-2007, 10:51 PM
Teams that suck on offense can geneally run the ball. Run blocking is the easy part of playing on the O-line. You live in Texas, ask a few of the all-world o-linemen in your area. I have never met an offensive lineman that would disagree with that. (well, maybe an interior lineman, or two.) Just because you can find a few guys who are good at the easy part of their job, doesn't make them excellent at the difficult part. How do you even make that connection?

As far as D.V goes... A) Evryone here has said that he was poor in his attempts at creating a decent defense. All of that exaggeration and sarcasm is infantile. Stop it, you are embarrassing yourself. B) Vermiels teams were much better teams than Herms. Period.

I don't come on here for the purpose of lying to you. I was pissed that we allowed Winston Justice to slip past us. Because Willie Roaf and Will Shields had both been contemplating retirement in previous seasons, meaning that we were going to need replacements, soon.

And yes, Bill Cowher. After years of trying to win with nothing but defense, he finally excepted that his team needed to be able to throw the ball, to win it all. And his record speaks for itself anyway. During none of Herm Edwards' seasons as a head coach has his team had a better defense, than Cowhers. And in only one of them, has he managed a better offense.

Then we get more of your snivelling sarcasm. As if nobody but you has any appreciation for defense. Look, you come on here and announce that since you are from Texas, you are the only one here who knows anything about football. Then you start pissing all over yourself, when your concept is challenged. GET OVER YOURSELF!!

Take a look around the country. Everyone is playing football. It is no longer exclusive to the state of Texas.

Go get em chief31!

Does this guy have no sense of debate?

No one is right 100% of the time.

(Unless that person were to say HERM SUCKS 100 times then he would be right, well, 100% of the time)

hehehehe

chief31
09-19-2007, 10:56 PM
i guess Curtis did that ALL by himself...

It's impossible to protect a QB made of glass as Pennington has shown himself to be.

Just because some of these guys aren't playing like all-pros doesn't mean Herm's ignoring the line.

But, stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes and pretend that he's an awful coach...

maybe MIKE MARTZ!!! HE LIKES OFFENSE!!!

i mean, we obviously can't have Norv Turner...he's already taken. The coaching pool is so deep!!

lets throw Herm away..

.hey, maybe Bill Cower!!!...no wait...yall don't like defense or long term coaches...hmm...who could we get?


...sarcasm!!...mature.

Ironic, isn't it?

Chiefster
09-20-2007, 12:57 AM
In my opinion, the only thing that gives the Chiefs a chance of getting to the next level is the fact that this roster hosts more talent than it gets credit for. If the offense can gel and we can eliminate some mistakes on that side of the ball as well as special teams, we have the potential to be a very dangerous team with how our defense is playing right now.

Agreed; but, and I hate to beat a dead horse here, but it all boils down to our "O" line - our offense will gel only as well as they do.

Nice thread m0ef0e! :)

Canada
09-20-2007, 11:18 AM
lol...if you say so.:funnypost:


...sarcasm!!...mature. Hey, how's the CFL going?

Yeah....wherever would I get the sarcasm idea?? Good news though...there is talk that e might be getting TV and electricity up here in Canada so I might be able to watch a Chiefs game soon. Silly CFL...I live in Canada so that is all I get to watch in my igloo while I eat moose meat and drink beer. Moron....I guess brains are the only thing that aren't bigger in Texas. That and well.....ya know. :bananen_smilies046:

rbedgood
09-20-2007, 11:24 AM
Yeah....wherever would I get the sarcasm idea?? Good news though...there is talk that e might be getting TV and electricity up here in Canada so I might be able to watch a Chiefs game soon. Silly CFL...I live in Canada so that is all I get to watch in my igloo while I eat moose meat and drink beer. Moron....I guess brains are the only thing that aren't bigger in Texas. That and well.....ya know. :bananen_smilies046:

Wow...Canada came out of his corner swinging this round. This fight is almost worth the pay-per-view charge.

The young upstart is up against the ropes...be interested to see his fight strategy.

swmochiefsfan
09-20-2007, 12:53 PM
Its like the old saying goes....opinions are like Aholes, everyone has one. I can respect that but there is no need to be so defensive because not everyone agrees with you. Nice thread mOefOe.

m0ef0e
09-20-2007, 01:42 PM
I agree with both texas and chief31 some here... Yes, Curtis Martin was a badass. He is tied for the record of most consectutive one-thousand yard seasons with Barry Sanders. They both had 10. The fact that Martin did this with the Jets is a testimony of his skill and especially his durability. So, texas is right. Martin did get some run blocking but chief31 is also right in the fact that run blocking is easiest. Most o-linemen want to run the football so they can get down the field and hit people.

While Martin gained enough yards during his career to be fourth on the all-time list, one telling stat about his offensive line with the Jets is the number of TD's Martin got. Six out of eight seasons with the Jets, Martin did not break into double digits on TD's. This shows that once a defense got thier backs to a wall and stiffened up, the line in front of Curtis could no longer get a push. It takes a really good offensive line to consistently run effectively in the red zone.

Another stat to look at is the fact that in eight seasons with the Jets, Martin went over 1,500 yards only twice. Meanwhile, Denver produced some unkown, new 1,500 yard back every year like some kind of running-back factory for something like five seasons or so. Which says a lot about the o-line unit they had during that time.

All that being said, the fact remains that you still are going to have to pass-block at some point during the football game. Chad Pennington's grocery list of injuries testifies that the Jets were not very good at this.

texaschief
09-20-2007, 07:36 PM
Yeah....wherever would I get the sarcasm idea?? Good news though...there is talk that e might be getting TV and electricity up here in Canada so I might be able to watch a Chiefs game soon. Silly CFL...I live in Canada so that is all I get to watch in my igloo while I eat moose meat and drink beer. Moron....I guess brains are the only thing that aren't bigger in Texas. That and well.....ya know. :bananen_smilies046:

this coming from the guys who lives in Canada in an igloo with out electricity? lol. As far as my, "well, ya know", didn't you notice your wife walkin funny last week? She just said it was her time of the month to explain why she was bleeding.

now, lets talk about this without getting personal.

:bananen_smilies046:

hermhater
09-20-2007, 07:41 PM
this coming from the guys who lives in Canada in an igloo with out electricity? lol. As far as my, "well, ya know", didn't you notice your wife walkin funny last week? She just said it was her time of the month to explain why she was bleeding.

now, lets talk about this without getting personal.

:bananen_smilies046:

I like that last part about not getting personal.

Practice what you preach.

Canada
09-20-2007, 07:59 PM
this coming from the guys who lives in Canada in an igloo with out electricity? lol. As far as my, "well, ya know", didn't you notice your wife walkin funny last week? She just said it was her time of the month to explain why she was bleeding.

now, lets talk about this without getting personal.

:bananen_smilies046:

Know how to circumcise a guy from Texas??




Kick his sister in the jaw!! :bananen_smilies046: F**kin redneck


BTW Igloo....good one, u think of that all on your own?

hermhater
09-20-2007, 08:03 PM
Know how to circumcise a guy from Texas??




Kick his sister in the jaw!! :bananen_smilies046: ****in redneck


BTW Igloo....good one, u think of that all on your own?

Surprisingly not. Canadian said it about himself in sarcasm, and this homer ran with it.

Not much originality.

I'm beginning to think HERM himself has infiltrated our midst.

Be afraid. Be VERY afraid.

Canada
09-20-2007, 08:05 PM
this coming from the guys who lives in Canada in an igloo with out electricity? lol. As far as my, "well, ya know", didn't you notice your wife walkin funny last week? She just said it was her time of the month to explain why she was bleeding.

now, lets talk about this without getting personal.

:bananen_smilies046:

Man I truly hope that you believe this....that would be way too funny. No one is seriously that dumb though....are they? :lol:

Chiefster
09-20-2007, 08:58 PM
:lol: I love this thread!

texaschief
09-20-2007, 10:02 PM
Know how to circumcise a guy from Texas??




Kick his sister in the jaw!! :bananen_smilies046: F**kin redneck


BTW Igloo....good one, u think of that all on your own?

lmao!!! wow...you're retarded

Canada
09-20-2007, 10:07 PM
lmao!!! wow...you're retarded

Holy....another good one. Do you have a book or something?? U can't be thinking up all these witty comments on your own! :lol:

royalswin100games
09-20-2007, 10:09 PM
:lol: I love this thread!

I agree, good stuff. :lol:

:drunkhb:

luv
09-20-2007, 10:10 PM
:lol: I love this thread!
This kid reminds me of Hootie.

hermhater
09-20-2007, 10:14 PM
This kid reminds me of Hootie.

Oh god you should have been here earlier when VikeFan4L was stinkin' up the joint.

Oh god that was a good one.

royalswin100games
09-20-2007, 10:17 PM
Oh god you should have been here earlier when VikeFan4L was stinkin' up the joint.

Oh god that was a good one.

That kid couldn't spell or read. Hopefully he was kicked to the curb.

luv
09-20-2007, 10:19 PM
Oh god you should have been here earlier when VikeFan4L was stinkin' up the joint.

Oh god that was a good one.
I miss all the fun. :(

texaschief
09-20-2007, 11:18 PM
Holy....another good one. Do you have a book or something?? U can't be thinking up all these witty comments on your own! :lol:

...sure did...feel free to use some of them.

DrunkHillbilly
09-20-2007, 11:28 PM
Are you two sleepin together or is it strictly platonic?

texaschief
09-20-2007, 11:34 PM
...back to the topic, isn't it interesting how well Houston's new QB is doing behind the "horrible" line that got David Carr killed? Guess it's not all of O-line after all. I really don't understand how y'all attack this line without remorse and blame them for all the offense's troubles...we have a career backup QB leading this offense...are y'all blind? He's old, imobile and awful. There's a reason he has ALWAYS been a backup. So he won a few games last year...that was his job!!..to hold down the fort till the starter gets back. He's now .500 as a starter and has looked awful thus far this year.

This line is better than last year's line. Better tackles offset the loss of Shields. An underweight Turley and Highway 65 were incredibly bad last year AND we had the same OC as this year...but you know what....we went to the playoffs. I don't care how hard you try, you can't tell me the difference between Shields and Welbourn at Guard is a playoff appearance. Now, we have even a better defense than last year. We're only missing T. Green and W. Shields from last year...are they really the 2 guys who made THAT big of a difference in our team?

Are you really gonna tell me the same team who has a better WR corp, better O-tackles and a better defense than what it did last year, is a worse team because of the O-line? That's stupid.

So how bout we move off the line for a while cuz that's not the problem...the problem is at QB.

DrunkHillbilly
09-20-2007, 11:49 PM
...back to the topic, isn't it interesting how well Houston's new QB is doing behind the "horrible" line that got David Carr killed? Guess it's not all of O-line after all. I really don't understand how y'all attack this line without remorse and blame them for all the offense's troubles...we have a career backup QB leading this offense...are y'all blind? He's old, imobile and awful. There's a reason he has ALWAYS been a backup. So he won a few games last year...that was his job!!..to hold down the fort till the starter gets back. He's now .500 as a starter and has looked awful thus far this year.

This line is better than last year's line. Better tackles offset the loss of Shields. An underweight Turley and Highway 65 were incredibly bad last year AND we had the same OC as this year...but you know what....we went to the playoffs. I don't care how hard you try, you can't tell me the difference between Shields and Welbourn at Guard is a playoff appearance. Now, we have even a better defense than last year. We're only missing T. Green and W. Shields from last year...are they really the 2 guys who made THAT big of a difference in our team?

Are you really gonna tell me the same team who has a better WR corp, better O-tackles and a better defense than what it did last year, is a worse team because of the O-line? That's stupid.

So how bout we move off the line for a while cuz that's not the problem...the problem is at QB.

I agree to a certain extent but the difference in our line is Roaf! LJ ran behind him on that left side all year long! If LJ stuggles a bit this year, it will be because the line cannot open any wholes for him to run through. Of course then the bashers will be out in droves saying how over paid he was and thats why he isn't running hard!

If you have read any of my past posts, you would see that I agree our QB situation is terrible! To make it stand out even more so is the fact that our receiving core is pathetic!! T. Green throwin to guys is one thing but to have one of these guys doin it on a regular basis is trouble!! I think Welbourn has been mediocre at best for the first two games. Another problem is that TG had to help block on about 60% of the passing plays due to the fact that the line couldn't do it on their own, which means less of a passing attack no matter who the QB is.

hermhater
09-20-2007, 11:53 PM
...back to the topic, isn't it interesting how well Houston's new QB is doing behind the "horrible" line that got David Carr killed? Guess it's not all of O-line after all. I really don't understand how y'all attack this line without remorse and blame them for all the offense's troubles...we have a career backup QB leading this offense...are y'all blind? He's old, imobile and awful. There's a reason he has ALWAYS been a backup. So he won a few games last year...that was his job!!..to hold down the fort till the starter gets back. He's now .500 as a starter and has looked awful thus far this year.

This line is better than last year's line. Better tackles offset the loss of Shields. An underweight Turley and Highway 65 were incredibly bad last year AND we had the same OC as this year...but you know what....we went to the playoffs. I don't care how hard you try, you can't tell me the difference between Shields and Welbourn at Guard is a playoff appearance. Now, we have even a better defense than last year. We're only missing T. Green and W. Shields from last year...are they really the 2 guys who made THAT big of a difference in our team?

Are you really gonna tell me the same team who has a better WR corp, better O-tackles and a better defense than what it did last year, is a worse team because of the O-line? That's stupid.

So how bout we move off the line for a while cuz that's not the problem...the problem is at QB.

I hate to be on your side, but I am one of those who wish to get Brody in there right now.

We screwed up last year by taking Huard out and putting Green back in when he was in worse shape than before preseason.

How can you put some guy in who has been sitting for 10 weeks and expect him to play at the NFL level?
It was unfair to him, Huard, and, umm... US!

IF Brody is the future put him in NOW so we can see if he is the future.

I know I said this before, but I don't take HERM's word for anything. Let US decide if he is the future or not.

Our line was the best ever because of Roaf and Shields.

That is the point everyone was making. YES they were THAT important.

m0ef0e
09-20-2007, 11:57 PM
2 plays... Huard was 2 plays away from a 3 TD performance and a win against a superbowl team from last year. I like the guy because he is consistent and doesn't make a lot of mistakes. I think the problem is the unimaginative early gameplan Herm and Solari are using to establish the run.

I understand it's necessary to establish a good running game but we need to get a little bit creative now and then to try and get some early points. THEN run LJ down their throats.

hermhater
09-21-2007, 12:02 AM
2 plays... Huard was 2 plays away from a 3 TD performance and a win against a superbowl team from last year. I like the guy because he is consistent and doesn't make a lot of mistakes. I think the problem is the unimaginative early gameplan Herm and Solari are using to establish the run.

I understand it's necessary to establish a good running game but we need to get a little bit creative now and then to try and get some early points. THEN run LJ down their throats.

I agree with that, but I'm tired of it being so close... Just 2 plays...

I want to be putting teams away!

Putting THEM behind and letting them play catchup, like you said, then run LJ down their throats.

DrunkHillbilly
09-21-2007, 12:05 AM
I agree with that, but I'm tired of it being so close... Just 2 plays...

I want to be putting teams away!

Putting THEM behind and letting them play catchup, like you said, then run LJ down their throats.

We haven't made teams play catch up in YEARS!!!! We're always the ones in the second half chasing the other team! I don't expect that to change anytime soon.

hermhater
09-21-2007, 12:08 AM
We haven't made teams play catch up in YEARS!!!! We're always the ones in the second half chasing the other team! I don't expect that to change anytime soon.

Well if we can keep the defense where it's at, and Brody can throw like Trent (within the next few years, that's about the limit of my patience) we will be closing the deal in the first half.

Then we can do three yards and a cloud of dust the way HERM wants to.

DrunkHillbilly
09-21-2007, 12:22 AM
Well if we can keep the defense where it's at, and Brody can throw like Trent (within the next few years, that's about the limit of my patience) we will be closing the deal in the first half.

Then we can do three yards and a cloud of dust the way HERM wants to.

Croyle might not be in the league in three years! If he is still our starter then, we're in trouble!!!

m0ef0e
09-21-2007, 12:22 AM
We haven't made teams play catch up in YEARS!!!! We're always the ones in the second half chasing the other team! I don't expect that to change anytime soon.

This is exactly why we need to delve a little into the bag of tricks early in order to try and establish a lead.

DrunkHillbilly
09-21-2007, 12:29 AM
This is exactly why we need to delve a little into the bag of tricks early in order to try and establish a lead.

Ya know, I'm ok with a trick here and there but we are having trouble just playing the way we're suppose to right now! I say we work on the basics first and then maybe mix one or two in. But I know what your sayin.

hermhater
09-21-2007, 12:30 AM
Croyle might not be in the league in three years! If he is still our starter then, we're in trouble!!!

Is Brody really being judged fairly?

He needs 6 starts to evaluate.

texaschief
09-21-2007, 12:32 AM
pt. 1I agree to a certain extent but the difference in our line is Roaf! LJ ran behind him on that left side all year long!

pt. 2To make it stand out even more so is the fact that our receiving core is pathetic!! .




pt. 3We screwed up last year by taking Huard out and putting Green back in when he was in worse shape than before preseason.


pt. 4Our line was the best ever because of Roaf and Shields....That is the point everyone was making. YES they were THAT important.




pt. 52 plays... Huard was 2 plays away from a 3 TD performance and a win against a superbowl team from last year. I like the guy because he is consistent and doesn't make a lot of mistakes. I think the problem is the unimaginative early gameplan Herm and Solari are using to establish the run.

I understand it's necessary to establish a good running game but we need to get a little bit creative now and then to try and get some early points. THEN run LJ down their throats.

pt. 1. we made the playoffs without Roaf or an all pro tackle last year....the same number of time as we did with him.

pt. 2. yes, our recieving corp is bad, but we did make an upgrade in the draft this year. i don't think Webb will be a bad #2 with Bowe as our #1 in the future...plus we could always sign a FA at some point. We still have a big target at TE.

pt. 3. Huard should've finished the year as the starter. But if Green was beating out Huard in practice, it's hard to sit a Pro Bowl QB in favor of a lifetime backup who was only 2 games over .500 during a playoff chase and i'd hate to be the making that decision. So, looking back, it's hard for me to say one way or the other what should've been done.

pt. 4. You're right... our line was the best ever with Roaf and Shields...and because the defense was ignored, it was wasted and made as many playoff appearances as last year's did. The point I'M trying to make, is that our line ISN'T THAT BAD to where we need to start ignoring other parts of the team to completely rebuild it. Someone said we should've drafted some guy in the first round of 06...again, ignoring the defense because we wouldn't have Hali. If we can make it to the post season with the line we had last year, it should've been possible with the line this year...because IT IS better than last year's...and that's because it WASN'T ignored in the offseason.

pt. 5. Huard is a statue in that back field. Most of the sacks he took last week were because he couldn't take 2 steps in any direction to avoid the pressure. Huard can't make the simple plays to keep a drive alive. that swing pass to LJ last week made me sick. Both passes caught for TDs were jump balls last week.(one called back) Those "awful" recivers bailed him out. Then he waits too long to throw that last TD pass late in the game...at the very least, Brodie showed he learned how to throw a screen pass...something the other two QBs in that game couldn't do.

tornadospotter
09-21-2007, 12:33 AM
2 plays... Huard was 2 plays away from a 3 TD performance and a win against a superbowl team from last year. I like the guy because he is consistent and doesn't make a lot of mistakes. I think the problem is the unimaginative early gameplan Herm and Solari are using to establish the run.

I understand it's necessary to establish a good running game but we need to get a little bit creative now and then to try and get some early points. THEN run LJ down their throats.

I agree, why do we open up the offense only for the first drive of the game and then try to run. We need to open the offense up until we have a two possestion lead and then pound the ball.

Canada, please grab Printers and bring him back to KC, I still think we need a QB that can be a playmaker.

hermhater
09-21-2007, 12:39 AM
That right there boys was post of the month.

hermhater
09-21-2007, 12:40 AM
Sorry, and girls.

hermhater
09-21-2007, 12:41 AM
the one before it

hermhater
09-21-2007, 12:41 AM
What I meant was number 71, just to clarify.

Well put and very well posted.

DrunkHillbilly
09-21-2007, 12:43 AM
pt. 1. we made the playoffs without Roaf or an all pro tackle last year....the same number of time as we did with him.

pt. 2. yes, our recieving corp is bad, but we did make an upgrade in the draft this year. i don't think Webb will be a bad #2 with Bowe as our #1 in the future...plus we could always sign a FA at some point. We still have a big target at TE.

pt. 3. Huard should've finished the year as the starter. But if Green was beating out Huard in practice, it's hard to sit a Pro Bowl QB in favor of a lifetime backup who was only 2 games over .500 during a playoff chase and i'd hate to be the making that decision. So, looking back, it's hard for me to say one way or the other what should've been done.

pt. 4. You're right... our line was the best ever with Roaf and Shields...and because the defense was ignored, it was wasted and made as many playoff appearances as last year's did. The point I'M trying to make, is that our line ISN'T THAT BAD to where we need to start ignoring other parts of the team to completely rebuild it. Someone said we should've drafted some guy in the first round of 06...again, ignoring the defense because we wouldn't have Hali. If we can make it to the post season with the line we had last year, it should've been possible with the line this year...because IT IS better than last year's...and that's because it WASN'T ignored in the offseason.

pt. 5. Huard is a statue in that back field. Most of the sacks he took last week were because he couldn't take 2 steps in any direction to avoid the pressure. Huard can't make the simple plays to keep a drive alive. that swing pass to LJ last week made me sick. Both passes caught for TDs were jump balls last week.(one called back) Those "awful" recivers bailed him out. Then he waits too long to throw that last TD pass late in the game...at the very least, Brodie learned showed he learned how to throw a screen pass...something the other two QBs in that game couldn't do.

pt1...I'm strictly talking about productivity from LJ. It made it a lot easier to run behind Roaf.

pt2...pick up a FA receiver????? Yea, that's happened a bunch in the last what, 20 years???? Webb is a practice team player but we have no one else. Parker, well, he's Parker. I love TG but you watch, he will spend a ton of time blocking just like he did last year.

BTW...did you see the game T. Green had last week??? Ewwwwwwwwww!!!!

hermhater
09-21-2007, 12:49 AM
pt1...I'm strictly talking about productivity from LJ. It made it a lot easier to run behind Roaf.

pt2...pick up a FA receiver????? Yea, that's happened a bunch in the last what, 20 years???? Webb is a practice team player but we have no one else. Parker, well, he's Parker. I love TG but you watch, he will spend a ton of time blocking just like he did last year.

BTW...did you see the game T. Green had last week??? Ewwwwwwwwww!!!!

Wow.

For someone I disagree so strongly with you do make salient points often.

I was gonna say to the others, we don't do the FA thing very well.

(Donnie Edwards does NOT count, he was coming back to finish his career no matter what. It just shows how faithful the Chiefs are, and it is because of US. The fans who love them and don't dis every little thing. Let's stay on course here and keep bashing HERM not the players.)

DrunkHillbilly
09-21-2007, 12:56 AM
Wow.

For someone I disagree so strongly with you do make salient points often.

I was gonna say to the others, we don't do the FA thing very well.

(Donnie Edwards does NOT count, he was coming back to finish his career no matter what. It just shows how faithful the Chiefs are, and it is because of US. The fans who love them and don't dis every little thing. Let's stay on course here and keep bashing HERM not the players.)

Didn't realize you disagreed so often!????? Anyhow, your right about FA's in general but we are more lacks in WR FA's. We haven't had a true number one WR in probably 10-20 years!

hermhater
09-21-2007, 01:13 AM
Didn't realize you disagreed so often!????? Anyhow, your right about FA's in general but we are more lacks in WR FA's. We haven't had a true number one WR in probably 10-20 years!

I disagreed with texaschief, not you.

He has some pretty out there ideas, but comes up with a bit of wiseness every once in a while.

sling58
09-21-2007, 08:39 AM
Okay, I know I am a total homer and I also know that we have made a wealth of mistakes in our first two games.

That being said, I still feel that there is no reason to panic. The Chiefs were 0-2 last year and still managed to get into the playoffs. This is typical for Edwards, whose teams are known for starting slow and finishing strong.

4 out of 5 years with the Jets, Edwards' team had a losing record at the beginning of the season. 3 out of 5 years, they made the playoffs.

This early uphill climb is normal with a team coached by Edwards. While the early-season situation Herm tends to get into is less than ideal, you can bet that this team will be playing a lot better later in the season.

What I saw against the Bears last week was a team that played well enough to give themselves some chances to win over a team that was in the superbowl last year. As the offense comes together and improves this season look for us to capitalize on some of these opportunities and win some games. Especially if the Chiefs can dramatically reduce the number of penalties and turnovers we have seen thus far.

In my opinion, the only thing that gives the Chiefs a chance of getting to the next level is the fact that this roster hosts more talent than it gets credit for. If the offense can gel and we can eliminate some mistakes on that side of the ball as well as special teams, we have the potential to be a very dangerous team with how our defense is playing right now.

Again, I know I'm a total homer but if this team gets on a roll, I really think we can run some people over. Nobody has been surprised yet by anything the Chiefs have done thus far, but I think that is about to change this week against the Vikings.

Agreed we will win at Arrowhead this week.

chief31
09-21-2007, 11:40 AM
That right there boys was post of the month.

Did you nominate it in the Post of the Month thread?




pt. 1. we made the playoffs without Roaf or an all pro tackle last year....the same number of time as we did with him.

pt. 2. yes, our recieving corp is bad, but we did make an upgrade in the draft this year. i don't think Webb will be a bad #2 with Bowe as our #1 in the future...plus we could always sign a FA at some point. We still have a big target at TE.

pt. 3. Huard should've finished the year as the starter. But if Green was beating out Huard in practice, it's hard to sit a Pro Bowl QB in favor of a lifetime backup who was only 2 games over .500 during a playoff chase and i'd hate to be the making that decision. So, looking back, it's hard for me to say one way or the other what should've been done.

pt. 4. You're right... our line was the best ever with Roaf and Shields...and because the defense was ignored, it was wasted and made as many playoff appearances as last year's did. The point I'M trying to make, is that our line ISN'T THAT BAD to where we need to start ignoring other parts of the team to completely rebuild it. Someone said we should've drafted some guy in the first round of 06...again, ignoring the defense because we wouldn't have Hali. If we can make it to the post season with the line we had last year, it should've been possible with the line this year...because IT IS better than last year's...and that's because it WASN'T ignored in the offseason.

pt. 5. Huard is a statue in that back field. Most of the sacks he took last week were because he couldn't take 2 steps in any direction to avoid the pressure. Huard can't make the simple plays to keep a drive alive. that swing pass to LJ last week made me sick. Both passes caught for TDs were jump balls last week.(one called back) Those "awful" recivers bailed him out. Then he waits too long to throw that last TD pass late in the game...at the very least, Brodie showed he learned how to throw a screen pass...something the other two QBs in that game couldn't do.

1.) We didn't make the playoffs. Noone else wanted to go, so we were the NFLs last resort.

2.) Our recievers aren't bad, Sammie Parker is bad.

3.) Huard was 4-1 after the leash got dropped from his neck.

4.) Our line is better on paper. Mcintosh is constantly hurt and the whole unit is new to each other. There is yet to be any continuity within them, as a group.

5.) Huard played very well against alot of pressure last season and has done a fair job this season. Yes, he's been having a hard time with screen passes. It'll pass.
The TD pas to Bowe, (Yes, it was intended for Bowe.) was a terrific pass and I have no clue why you would attempt to make it look bad. And the would-be TD pass for Parker was entirely within Parkers grasp. Parker gave away his position on the ball to the corner. If he had caught the ball above his chest, then the defender would have had no chance of reaching through his body to knock it away. Sammie tried to catch the ball, whlie falling away from it, instead of going to get it.

Chiefster
09-23-2007, 12:40 AM
Did you nominate it in the Post of the Month thread?



1.) We didn't make the playoffs. Noone else wanted to go, so we were the NFLs last resort.

2.) Our recievers aren't bad, Sammie Parker is bad.

3.) Huard was 4-1 after the leash got dropped from his neck.

4.) Our line is better on paper. Mcintosh is constantly hurt and the whole unit is new to each other. There is yet to be any continuity within them, as a group.

5.) Huard played very well against alot of pressure last season and has done a fair job this season. Yes, he's been having a hard time with screen passes. It'll pass.
The TD pas to Bowe, (Yes, it was intended for Bowe.) was a terrific pass and I have no clue why you would attempt to make it look bad. And the would-be TD pass for Parker was entirely within Parkers grasp. Parker gave away his position on the ball to the corner. If he had caught the ball above his chest, then the defender would have had no chance of reaching through his body to knock it away. Sammie tried to catch the ball, whlie falling away from it, instead of going to get it.

You can say that again, but don't. :D

hermhater
09-23-2007, 01:03 AM
[quote=chief31;25085]Did you nominate it in the Post of the Month thread?


Sarcasm son.