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figcrostic
10-08-2010, 01:50 PM
Here are my two: Trading Jared Allen and releasing Bernard Pollard. What are yours?

Canada
10-08-2010, 02:52 PM
Reading this thread

stricken721
10-08-2010, 03:10 PM
Reading this thread
...This

and replying to it.

honda522
10-08-2010, 03:33 PM
I think I just go more "Stupider" reading the title. :lol:

The worst move the Chiefs made is letting Marty get away...hiring Herm Edwards...trading Jared Allen away...and not trying harder to keep Gonzalez..oh and letting T-rich go as well.

But good things have happened from those occurrences so I can't say I regret them too much. We got Flowers and Charles from Jared Allen..and Arenas from the TG trade.

Just remember that what hadn't happen, the future would have been drastically different.

OTR Chiefs fan
10-08-2010, 03:46 PM
...This

and replying to it.


Reading this thread



:sign0098: :lol:

brdempsey69
10-08-2010, 04:02 PM
1. Not drafting any O-Lineman in the top 3 rounds except Albert and Asamoah over the last 10 years.

2. Should've traded down from #5 in 2010 draft if they wanted a Safety as they could have got extra picks and still landed Earl Thomas, who is just as good of a Safety as Berry is, if not better.

Sn@keIze
10-08-2010, 04:03 PM
Here are my two: Trading Jared Allen and releasing Bernard Pollard. What are yours?
i agree.

i wouldve loved to have seen both Pollard and Berry at the Safeties.( But our pass D at safety might suck tho:D)

N TX Dave
10-08-2010, 04:20 PM
How about
#1 Letting Herm go!
#2 Letting King Carl go!


Stupidest means the best thing right?

Seek
10-08-2010, 04:20 PM
Trading for Herm Edwards.

And keeping Herm Edwards for three years.


I will argue the Allen Trade was horrible. We did get a adequat LT in Brandon Albert and a good running back in J. Charles.

Cutting Pollard lit a spark under him which motivated him to work harder. If he was not cut, I am not sure he would be the same safety for the Chiefs as he is for Houston. It is one thing to disagree with the Coach but from what I have heard he did in the locker room (and that is only rumors) He deserved to go. Any one of us would have been fired if the rumors were true.

yashi
10-08-2010, 04:20 PM
i agree.

i wouldve loved to have seen both Pollard and Berry at the Safeties.( But our pass D at safety might suck tho:D)

Berry will get better. He's only 21, and was one of the best coverage safeties college football has seen in years, just adjusting to the pro game still. His run support has been a nice surprise.

melted ice
10-08-2010, 05:10 PM
I will assume by recent you mean the last 10 years or so.

Outside the obvious stated above:

Getting rid of Tyler Thigpen, I really liked him and thought he could be an effective starting quarterback.

Signing Larry Johnson to a new contract in 2007.

Eydugstr
10-08-2010, 05:57 PM
Here are my two: Trading Jared Allen and releasing Bernard Pollard. What are yours?

In recent years....Hiring Herm Edwards.

But if you go back, my vote would be for letting Hank Stram go, letting Schaaf/Steadman run the show, and the cruddy fifteen seasons or so that followed.

Either way...:beat_DeadHorse:


GO KC!! BEAT INDY!!

matthewschiefs
10-08-2010, 07:37 PM
Hireing Herm Edwards

Not fireing him sooner.

CapitalT
10-08-2010, 08:10 PM
Trading for Herm Edwards.

And keeping Herm Edwards for three years.


I will argue the Allen Trade was horrible. We did get a adequat LT in Brandon Albert and a good running back in J. Charles.

Cutting Pollard lit a spark under him which motivated him to work harder. If he was not cut, I am not sure he would be the same safety for the Chiefs as he is for Houston. It is one thing to disagree with the Coach but from what I have heard he did in the locker room (and that is only rumors) He deserved to go. Any one of us would have been fired if the rumors were true.

I agree ... especially trading picks for an unproven coach.

Although I still think Pollard could have been a good player for us.

Connie Jo
10-08-2010, 08:58 PM
Here are my two: Trading Jared Allen and releasing Bernard Pollard. What are yours?

Just for the sake of playing along:

1) Keeping CP for too many seasons
2) Keeping CP for too many seasons

The two above, one in the same, are the birth mother of all other stupidies.

That said, the past is the past, don't understand the point of returning, other than general conversation. We have one of the brightest futures ahead than we've had in a decade, both offensively & defensely. That's all that matter's really.

:chiefs:

tornadospotter
10-09-2010, 12:04 AM
Grbac over Gannon. Shades of Blackmon over Kenny. Most of it being the history of this franchise not recognizing a QB, that is a leader and a winner, other than the great one Lenny, Trent Green was the best Qb we ever had, as a Chief. This in no way takes anything away from what Montana did in his short time as a Chief, The only other QB that comes to my mind of an impact QB, Steve Deberg, talk about tough, and play action wizard.

tornadospotter
10-09-2010, 12:09 AM
I understand the thread means recent history, so on that note, I would say the failure of Carl Peterson in addressing the needs of the Team over the longer period, and the thought that Hermie could be the Head Coach to rebuild and then fix it.

figcrostic
10-09-2010, 02:18 AM
Reading this thread

Wow your so clever. Now go slit your wrist with some hockey skates. Stupid Candadian! This is about the Chiefs not yourself, nobody gives a damn about your own decisions.

Canada
10-09-2010, 02:19 AM
Wow your so clever. Now go slit your wrist with some hockey skates. Stupid Candadian! This is about the Chiefs not yourself, nobody gives a damn about your own decisions.

Go F#CK yourself pus$y

figcrostic
10-09-2010, 02:20 AM
I will assume by recent you mean the last 10 years or so.

Outside the obvious stated above:

Getting rid of Tyler Thigpen, I really liked him and thought he could be an effective starting quarterback.

Signing Larry Johnson to a new contract in 2007.

I enjoyed Thig as well, but Jared Allen and Pollard would have made are team just rediculous. I would have said Tony Gonzalez but he wanted to leave.

figcrostic
10-09-2010, 02:23 AM
I think I just go more "Stupider" reading the title. :lol:

The worst move the Chiefs made is letting Marty get away...hiring Herm Edwards...trading Jared Allen away...and not trying harder to keep Gonzalez..oh and letting T-rich go as well.

But good things have happened from those occurrences so I can't say I regret them too much. We got Flowers and Charles from Jared Allen..and Arenas from the TG trade.

Just remember that what hadn't happen, the future would have been drastically different.

I don't think that's possible. I'm not a grammar nazi, but even my 5 year old nephew could write a better insult than that.

figcrostic
10-09-2010, 02:36 AM
Just for the sake of playing along:

1) Keeping CP for too many seasons
2) Keeping CP for too many seasons

The two above, one in the same, are the birth mother of all other stupidies.

That said, the past is the past, don't understand the point of returning, other than general conversation. We have one of the brightest futures ahead than we've had in a decade, both offensively & defensely. That's all that matter's really.

:chiefs:

What's the point of anything? Curiosity. Or should I just make 1000 threads about how great and flawless the chiefs and every member of the staff are, like a bunch of other morons? I feel like my thread has relevance to this forum which is supposed to be dedicated to discussions directed at the Chiefs. You don't hear me *****ing about you whining about your ex husband not letting you get a horse like you did in another one of my threads which had zero to do with the Chiefs.

figcrostic
10-09-2010, 02:39 AM
Go F#CK yourself pus

No need for that language if you act rude to other people don't be surprised if they act rude back.

figcrostic
10-09-2010, 02:48 AM
1. Not drafting any O-Lineman in the top 3 rounds except Albert and Asamoah over the last 10 years.

2. Should've traded down from #5 in 2010 draft if they wanted a Safety as they could have got extra picks and still landed Earl Thomas, who is just as good of a Safety as Berry is, if not better.

Logically and intelligent as always sir, gotta agree.

brdempsey69
10-09-2010, 02:53 AM
Don't let anyone rattle you, figcrostic. At least you know I understand where your coming from.

That said, I hope the current Chiefs team does not do something foolish like jerk Barry Richardson out of the starting lineup in favor of O'Callaghan. Richardson has earned the right to keep the starting RT job, while O'Callaghan has yet prove he's anything other than a career backup.

figcrostic
10-09-2010, 03:04 AM
Don't let anyone rattle you, figcrostic. At least you know I understand where your coming from.

That said, I hope the current Chiefs team does not do something foolish like jerk Barry Richardson out of the starting lineup in favor of O'Callaghan. Richardson has earned the right to keep the starting RT job, while O'Callaghan has yet prove he's anything other than a career backup.

Thanks I appreciate your insight. Your one of the few on this site that looks at things with logic; instead of just thinking everything the Chiefs do is great and should never be questioned. I'm a member of a couple Chiefs forums and this one seems to be filled with the largest amount of rude people.

brdempsey69
10-09-2010, 03:12 AM
Thanks I appreciate your insight. Your one of the few on this site that looks at things with logic; instead of just thinking everything the Chiefs do is great and should never be questioned. I'm a member of a couple Chiefs forums and this one seems to be filled with the largest amount of rude people.

Classic example: 1995 draft and the selection of Trezelle Jenkins in the 1st round. Everybody and their brother and sister knew that was a major reach and 2 years later he was cut in 1997. He never was productive at the college level and they could have got him probably in the 4th or 5th round.

figcrostic
10-09-2010, 03:23 AM
Classic example: 1995 draft and the selection of Trezelle Jenkins in the 1st round. Everybody and their brother and sister knew that was a major reach and 2 years later he was cut in 1997. He never was productive at the college level and they could have got him probably in the 4th or 5th round.

I feel berry was a reach and honestly I don't think he's going to be much if any better then pollard who was much cheaper. Too me Pollard was a good safety, and obviously the Texans agree. I thought Okung was going to be off the board at 5 and that we were gonna pick Trent Williams and I would have been happy with that. My jaw hit the floor when Okung was on the board and Trent and the Chiefs picked a SS. People think I shouldn't ***** because we have a good team, but one of these games our run will be shut down and Cassel is going to need to make some big throws our line has played better but is he going to be able to have the time he needs to make a 5 step drop and hit a wr 35-40 yards deep.

Big Daddy Tek
10-09-2010, 04:02 AM
I feel berry was a reach and honestly I don't think he's going to be much if any better then pollard who was much cheaper. Too me Pollard was a good safety, and obviously the Texans agree. I thought Okung was going to be off the board at 5 and that we were gonna pick Trent Williams and I would have been happy with that. My jaw hit the floor when Okung was on the board and Trent and the Chiefs picked a SS. People think I shouldn't ***** because we have a good team, but one of these games our run will be shut down and Cassel is going to need to make some big throws our line has played better but is he going to be able to have the time he needs to make a 5 step drop and hit a wr 35-40 yards deep.

Respectfully, you might want to watch that film breakdown that I posted a few days ago. Berry has already played better than Pollard in only 3 games of his career.

I respect your opinion, but based on what I've seen, Pollard is nowhere near what Berry is and what he is going to be. A few folks out there might say that I know a thing or two.

Sure Berry has played over aggressive twice this year and bit on an underneath route or play action, but Pollard and Page used to do that every single game and they had no where near the run stopping ability that Berry has shown.

McCluster, Moeaki, and Arenas are gettting a lot of pub right now, but Berry will end up being the best selection in this draft and will be one of our defense's finest players next to Tamba and Flowers.

Connie Jo
10-09-2010, 06:23 AM
What's the point of anything? Curiosity. Or should I just make 1000 threads about how great and flawless the chiefs and every member of the staff are, like a bunch of other morons? I feel like my thread has relevance to this forum which is supposed to be dedicated to discussions directed at the Chiefs. You don't hear me *****ing about you whining about your ex husband not letting you get a horse like you did in another one of my threads which had zero to do with the Chiefs.

You took my post out of context. I wasn't complaining or whining about your post/thread. If I had thought your thread had no relevance, nor interest...I wouldn't have replied, nor participated. My comment related to the Chiefs past being the past, was not a negative one directed towards you on a personal insulting level. Rather, a thought typed out loud related to letting myself return in thought to the Chiefs past. I thought to myself, 'the Chiefs future looks bright now', a positive thought by comparison to my remembering CP destroying the Chiefs from within. A negative memory triggered by your question, but that's not your fault, that's mine...for letting my thoughts go back there.

As far as my 'horse' memory in the 'bandwagon' thread...the thread had taken a turn by fellow CC members to one of fun Western nature, including riding shotgun, etc.. That turn led to our Chiefs mascot horse Warpaint, my horse related memories were triggered naturally as a result. It is natural and common for threads to turn as conversations evolve on interactive websites.

To clarify your incorrect comment of accusation...at no point did I whine about my 'x' not allowing me to get a horse, nor did I make any such comment. You may want to re-read please. My 'x' did not prevent me from getting a horse, as I clearly stated I owned a horse for a few years. What I said more or less was, after my horse kicked him in the head he didn't want me to keep the horse. He became intimidated by horses after mine kicked him in the head. He wasn't a person at that time which would forbid me to have a horse, nor force me to get rid of my horse. I sold my horse as a matter of respect for my husband, he being a priority above my horse, as I should have done, and did so respectively.

In final thought, I can understand how easy it is for one to take comments out of context, or misinterpret their intent...on interactive websites. I've witnessed such miscommunication daily among people for almost a decade. Our natural human communication tools/skills are typically limited to reading words. We have no body language to view, no tone of voice to hear, and often are not familiar with the personalities or lives of those we're communicating with online. We have the option of using smilies to help prevent misunderstandings, as well, the use of internet lingo such as LOL. I prefer to use 'hahaha' more often than LOL, to indicate my comment is of happy or positive nature.

I also use smilies as a further communication tool. Please note my use of the KC Chiefs smilie at the end of my reply post to you. Although you may not realize it, it's use was intended to show my reply as positive in nature, not negative. I assure you, if I am being negative towards you, or any one else for justified reason...it will be clear without question.

Just so there is no misunderstanding further...nothing in my comments above are intended to be negative towards you. It is rare for me to dislike or be negative towards any one, nor rude...not my personality. There is not one member of Chiefs Crowd of which I've taken a dislike to, including you. Every member I've interacted with on this website I have found to be of benefit with contributing to the website being fun, interesting, and informative, regardless of some being more pessimistic than me, or others. :D

texaschief
10-09-2010, 06:43 AM
Any Carl Peterson influence on this team after 2000.

The 2009 Draft

Firing Gailey one week before the 2009 regular season (I'm sorry, but this was the DUMBEST EFFIN THING I'VE EVER SEEN A HEAD COACH DO... PERIOD!!)


Although most ostrich Chiefs fans would prefer to stick their heads in the sand and say it was Herm Edwards who ran the team into the ground, the absolute WORST thing that happened to this team were the draft classes and scouting of the early 00's. The Vermeil/Peterson off-seasons were the primary cause of the recent Chiefs atrocities. The Chiefs sold their soul (top draft picks) for vets to try and win a Super Bowl before Lamar passed away and it didn't pay off... thus, we had to pay for it over the last 4 years.

I'm EXTREMELY impressed Pioli/Haley have been able to turn a roster built for a 4-3 into a respectable 3-4 while also turning the offense into something that can compete in just 2 off seasons while throwing away an entire draft class (among other things)... Seriously impressive.

Connie Jo
10-09-2010, 07:40 AM
Thanks I appreciate your insight. Your one of the few on this site that looks at things with logic; instead of just thinking everything the Chiefs do is great and should never be questioned. I'm a member of a couple Chiefs forums and this one seems to be filled with the largest amount of rude people.

Considering your comment above, and for my own benefit of clarification, the following disclaimer is for any one reading, not directed at you alone. :)

I can not speak for others, only myself. Simply because I choose to be positive and optimistic relating to our Chiefs, should not imply to any one that I do not retain logic, common sense, intelligence, nor am unrealistic. I know football, I know my Chiefs past & current...pro's & con's (faults). I know the history & stats of NFL opposing teams we're matched up against each season. I know the odd's against our Chiefs for losing or winning games, for making the playoffs.

I make a conscience deliberate choice to ignore the negative aspects against our Chiefs, not due to lacking intelligence or logic, rather because I have the ability and right to do so. It's a matter of choosing a positive attitude over a negative one, nothing more or less. For most of us, life at times forces us to face many concerns, struggles & battles daily...from serious illness to loss of a loved one, from raising our kids in a society of risk & threats to job security, from marital or relationship problems to financial burdens, and so on. Often in today's chaotic and complicated society we can become overwhelmed with too many negative life aspects at once. When that occurs, as it will do at some point in life for most every one...remaining positive in itself becomes a daily struggle. Choosing to be positive & optimistic about one's favorite NFL team is simple and easy by comparison.

All facts considered above...it is 100% logical and wise to be positive about one's favorite professional football or sports team. The more one has in their life they can easily choose to be positive about, it helps with effort to remain positive related to the genuine priority in life...surviving life itself during the most emotionally difficult times. Such theory is not only logical & wise, but a proven scientific fact.

GO CHIEFS!!! YEEHAW!!

:chiefs:

Canada
10-09-2010, 10:33 AM
No need for that language if you act rude to other people don't be surprised if they act rude back.

Im not surprised, I genuinely wanted to say F#ck you.

I think this is a pointless thread because there are alredy countless threads beating the same dead horse. We should not have traded Pollard or Allen. We get it, youaren't adding anything new to the conversation. I just think its sad that things are going as well as they are so you need to make up a thread that points out the Chiefs stupidity. This does not make you a better fan than anyone, just more of a complainer.


Here are my two: Trading Jared Allen and releasing Bernard Pollard. What are yours?:beat_DeadHorse:

Canada
10-09-2010, 10:38 AM
Thanks I appreciate your insight. Your one of the few on this site that looks at things with logic; instead of just thinking everything the Chiefs do is great and should never be questioned. I'm a member of a couple Chiefs forums and this one seems to be filled with the largest amount of rude people.Maybe you should leave.

brdempsey69
10-09-2010, 12:47 PM
Respectfully, you might want to watch that film breakdown that I posted a few days ago. Berry has already played better than Pollard in only 3 games of his career.

I respect your opinion, but based on what I've seen, Pollard is nowhere near what Berry is and what he is going to be. A few folks out there might say that I know a thing or two.

Sure Berry has played over aggressive twice this year and bit on an underneath route or play action, but Pollard and Page used to do that every single game and they had no where near the run stopping ability that Berry has shown.

McCluster, Moeaki, and Arenas are gettting a lot of pub right now, but Berry will end up being the best selection in this draft and will be one of our defense's finest players next to Tamba and Flowers.

Sorry, but none of us really know what's going to become of Berry. He could very well become an injury casualty just like 1990 1st round pick Percy Snow and 2000 1st round pick Sylvester Morris and end up delivering Pizza to your doorstep.

Plus, Pollard and Page never got the chance to play under Romeo Crennel and Emmitt Thomas, so who knows what might have been if they had stayed.

Also, other rookie Safeties, Earl Thomas and Nate Allen look to be just as good as Berry, if not better and I doubt that Berry is ever going to be a whole lot better than either of those guys. The point figrostic is making is that it wasn't necessary to spend the #5 overall pick on a Safety and I agree. You can get good Safeties anywhere in the draft as it's the easiest position on Defense to fill. Ed Reed and Troy Polumalu weren't even drafted in the top 15.

figcrostic
10-09-2010, 12:53 PM
Any Carl Peterson influence on this team after 2000.

The 2009 Draft

Firing Gailey one week before the 2009 regular season (I'm sorry, but this was the DUMBEST EFFIN THING I'VE EVER SEEN A HEAD COACH DO... PERIOD!!)


Although most ostrich Chiefs fans would prefer to stick their heads in the sand and say it was Herm Edwards who ran the team into the ground, the absolute WORST thing that happened to this team were the draft classes and scouting of the early 00's. The Vermeil/Peterson off-seasons were the primary cause of the recent Chiefs atrocities. The Chiefs sold their soul (top draft picks) for vets to try and win a Super Bowl before Lamar passed away and it didn't pay off... thus, we had to pay for it over the last 4 years.

I'm EXTREMELY impressed Pioli/Haley have been able to turn a roster built for a 4-3 into a respectable 3-4 while also turning the offense into something that can compete in just 2 off seasons while throwing away an entire draft class (among other things)... Seriously
impressive.

I thought I was alone on that I *****ed a lot about that happening and everyone seemed to just tell me it had to be done. I think we might have won a couple more games last year if Gailey would have been around. Weis might be better then Gailey we will find out but at that time we needed the man.

figcrostic
10-09-2010, 12:58 PM
Sorry, but none of us really know what's going to become of Berry. He could very well become an injury casualty just like 1990 1st round pick Percy Snow and 2000 1st round pick Sylvester Morris and end up delivering Pizza to your doorstep.

Plus, Pollard and Page never got the chance to play under Romeo Crennel and Emmitt Thomas, so who knows what might have been if they had stayed.

Also, other rookie Safeties, Earl Thomas and Nate Allen look to be just as good as Berry, if not better and I doubt that Berry is ever going to be a whole lot better than either of those guys. The point figrostic is making is that it wasn't necessary to spend the #5 overall pick on a Safety and I agree. You can get good Safeties anywhere in the draft as it's the easiest position on Defense to fill. Ed Reed and Troy Polumalu weren't even drafted in the top 15.

All my points seem much more intelligent coming out of your keyboard. :lol: Berry might become better then pollard but not a 5th round pick and not to mention Pollard was getting paid about a million a year with bonuses.

figcrostic
10-09-2010, 01:09 PM
1)Im not surprised, I genuinely wanted to say F#ck you.

I think this is a pointless thread because there are alredy countless threads beating the same dead horse. We should not have traded Pollard or Allen. 2) We get it, youaren't adding anything new to the conversation. I just think its sad that things are going as well as they are so you need to make up a thread that points out the Chiefs stupidity. This does not make you a better fan than anyone, just more of a complainer.

:beat_DeadHorse:
1) I love how unprofessional this site is that I can receive a warning in the past for calling someone a dick, but you are the worst of all of us and continually use the F word on this site and no-one blinks an eye because your in their lil redneck click.
2) What have you added sir? I have read your post as well and I get nothing it's all ra-ra and talking about the tailgates you went to with other members on this site. At least I'm trying to create a discussion. Something I doubt that goes on in your household. The funny thing is and you can clearly check my post history I create a lot of positive threads and they get little to no attention it's not my fault you guys are more interested in these threads maybe because they are different then everything else on this site.

figcrostic
10-09-2010, 01:14 PM
Maybe you should leave.

Maybe you should watch hockey and leave the real sports to us.

Big Daddy Tek
10-09-2010, 01:35 PM
Sorry, but none of us really know what's going to become of Berry. He could very well become an injury casualty just like 1990 1st round pick Percy Snow and 2000 1st round pick Sylvester Morris and end up delivering Pizza to your doorstep.

Plus, Pollard and Page never got the chance to play under Romeo Crennel and Emmitt Thomas, so who knows what might have been if they had stayed.

Also, other rookie Safeties, Earl Thomas and Nate Allen look to be just as good as Berry, if not better and I doubt that Berry is ever going to be a whole lot better than either of those guys. The point figrostic is making is that it wasn't necessary to spend the #5 overall pick on a Safety and I agree. You can get good Safeties anywhere in the draft as it's the easiest position on Defense to fill. Ed Reed and Troy Polumalu weren't even drafted in the top 15.

The argument that Berry might get hurt one day, is one that you could make for any player at any position in the league. So that doesn't really do much for me.

As far as being able to "get good safeties anywhere and it's the easiest position to fill," I'm not sure where you came up with that either.

Polomalu and Reed and even Earl Thomas were all first rounders, so once again, not quite sure the point.

The number 5 pick is supposed to be used for the best player available. Taking Okung is not reality. Branden Albert was and is the starting LT on this team and they were not going to pay a RT top 5 money.

Respectfully, you don't seem to understand how important the safety position is to our defense and this football team in general.

Safety was the biggest need of the offseason and the weakest link on the team last year. So far it looks like both safety positions have been taken care of for many years to come.

As far as Pollard goes, he's playing for the 32nd ranked defense in pro football.

Canada
10-09-2010, 01:38 PM
Wow your so clever. Now go slit your wrist with some hockey skates. Stupid Candadian! This is about the Chiefs not yourself, nobody gives a damn about your own decisions.

This was your response to a joking comment I made. Slit my wrists...what, cause I dont want to revisiti the Jared Allen trade again. Please dont get all high and mighty about how you are treated. You dont like that I duscuss tailgating and going to games with friends, use the ignore button. But please dont act like you are the smartest guy around because you figured out that trading Jared Allen was not a good idea.