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figcrostic
10-10-2010, 06:35 PM
We played one of the best offenses in the league and held them under 20 points. Did you actually think Matt Cassel was gonna go out there and throw 300 yards on the Colts who only allow 200 yards and that's playing against Houston,Giants, and Denver who are all much better at throwing the ball then us. Everyone blames Dwayne Bowe because he dropped a couple catches it's not just his fault the balls could be thrown better and him not holding onto it is inexcusable but let's not forget what this man has done for us and how he has been our number one reciever for many years. Let's really assess our team and if you do nothing has changed. Our passing game hasn't been good in years which hasn't changed, our defense has been playing great and played excellent today, our running game is great and played great as well. See no change. Like I said in previous post if we can't throw the ball all they have to do is stuff the run and it's beginning to happen. You all know my feelings on Cassel that's why I don't even say anything anymore you all are better at bad mouthing him then I ever was. Hopefully we can resolve this one minor issue other then that we are a very good team. :chiefs::chiefs:

honda522
10-10-2010, 06:51 PM
When you can't score on Offense, you lose the game.

figcrostic
10-10-2010, 07:07 PM
When you can't score on Offense, you lose the game.

Are you just pulling out random nonsense quotes you here commentators say during the game or are you trying to make a point?

josh1971
10-10-2010, 07:13 PM
Well, to be fair, what Honda says is true, but we're 3-1, and have a pretty good team. I don't think this is any time to panic.

When we can't beat Oakland. That's the time to panic.

figcrostic
10-10-2010, 07:19 PM
Well, to be fair, what Honda says is true, but we're 3-1, and have a pretty good team. I don't think this is any time to panic.

When we can't beat Oakland. That's the time to panic.

That's the point I was trying to make. We should not be surprised how the game turned out.

Hayvern
10-10-2010, 07:21 PM
Are you just pulling out random nonsense quotes you here commentators say during the game or are you trying to make a point?

Sorry man, in the NFL if your offense cannot score more than 9 points in a game, you are not likely to win. The statistics support that.

The defense can help you stay in games and can help you win a few games against mistake prone teams, but against teams like the Colts, you cannot win unless you are able to put up 20 or more points.

Bowe for the last three years has shown that he has a problem catching the football. Last year was terrible, this year he has shown signs of getting better, but today he was downright horrible. Right now, I have Bowe down for five drops this season. Yes, I have been watching.

Sorry guys, anytime a player has the ball in his hands like Bowe did today on those two passes, he has to catch them. You don't see Reggie Wayne or Wes Welker consistantly dropping passes like that.

Yeah, Cassel did not play well today, that is clear, but again, he is doing EXACTLY what Haley needs him to do. Cassel did not throw any interceptions and while he did fumble the ball it was not a turnover. The Chiefs are still on the plus side with turnovers and that is a good place to be.

Cassel and the Receiver corp have to get this together though. We cannot hope to be the team we want to be unless we can consistently put up 20 points every game.

brdempsey69
10-10-2010, 07:57 PM
I agree figcrostic, the Chiefs just got to get their passing game together and they can compete with anyone.

Drunker Hillbilly
10-10-2010, 08:32 PM
I think we/they (team) SHOULD BE PISSED!! There is one constant on this team, Bowe drops balls and today, it cost us the game! There is a lot of improvement to be had on this team but when your put in the position to pressure the other team by scoring and you don't, someone needs to say something to Dwayne Bowe! His record shows he has done this before and has done more to hurt this team than to help it over his entire time here. Cassell has been mediocre at best thus far but he did what had to be done today to put them in position to win. I'm thrilled to be 3-1 but when you basically beat yourself on a day that you play one of the elite teams in the NFL, I think everyone has the right to bit**.

marloweopatchiefs
10-10-2010, 08:40 PM
HAvern don't forget dwayne bowes dropped td pass

GlennBree
10-10-2010, 08:47 PM
yea...I can't help but think....if only Bowe has NOT DROPPED THAT PASS!!! *UGH*

honda522
10-10-2010, 09:11 PM
Are you just pulling out random nonsense quotes you here commentators say during the game or are you trying to make a point?
Whats your problem? I think the game couldn't have got to much better. We stop the Colts 5 times and held them to a field goal. Not many teams can do that.

figcrostic
10-10-2010, 09:13 PM
Whats your problem? I think the game couldn't have got to much better. We stop the Colts 5 times and held them to a field goal. Not many teams can do that.

I don't have a problem I was just really curious on what point you were trying to make. I apologize if I offended you, but in all seriousness your answer sounded like some snippet you might here an announcer say during the game.

marloweopatchiefs
10-10-2010, 11:28 PM
Put croyle in sure we would have scored 0 points with him haha

Connie Jo
10-11-2010, 12:50 AM
I read through all the comments in this thread, my thoughts on today's game are limited, as I was only able to watch bits & pieces. I attended my step-grand-daughters birthday party, of which prevented me from watching the entire game in depth.

These are points of which I felt cost us the game, but again as I said...I can only judge based upon what limited I saw.

1) I wasn't in favor of going for it on 4th & 2 in the first quarter, risking the field goal score, which was as close to a gimmie 3pts as it gets considering Succop's stats. We gave up 3pts right there, since we didn't convert to a first down. :(

2) From what I saw...we didn't use Thomas Jones or Moeaki much today...too much work put on Charles. I understand the Colts defense is weak against the rush, but damn...shake it up, throw them off. Jones & Moeaki have shown their capable. After numerous runs with Charles, the Colts rush defense it appeared to me improved...had the play calling down.

3) Charles fumbled, though he was hit mighty hard in the chest, fumble somewhat understood...he still fumbled, caused a turnover. We were having a great drive down field too.

4) Kendrell Lewis I think it was, had an easy pick opportunity on Manning...he timed the ball & his jump wrong...he should've had that interception, in my humble defender arm chair opinion, hahaha. :)

5) I am a Dwayne Bowe fan, and I still retain faith in Bowe's talent & ability as a top WR in the making, for some reason unknown to me, considering the missed catches & dropped balls in his history. Call me an idiot, cause I likely deserve such for continuing to have faith in him. That said...Dwayne totally blew our scoring a TD today! I think that is the worst missed catch I've seen of him to date, & it upset me. Quite frankly, I had to go outside so my grandkids wouldn't hear me cuss! Then he missed the very next makeable catch too! Poor Cassel. :(

6) There was a pass interference call against the Chiefs, I think it was against Brandon Flowers, can't remember now? Anyway, I think it was a bad call, didn't see a replay, but it didn't look like any pass interference to me.

7) There was a long pass by Manning at some point during the game, of which his target WR stretched to catch near the sideline. I question that catch as being completed in bounds. Manning hurried up his offense to make the next play, leaving no time for our reviewers to take a look & advise Haley to throw a red flag questioning the completion ruling.

Heck, the way I see it...the 3 pts in the 1st Q from a FG we tossed by not converting from a 4th & 2, Charles' fumble, Bowes missed catch in the endzone for a TD score...are what cost us the game. It was a low scoring game, even for the Colts...we missed opportunites to score from 13 to 17 pts just on that above. None of which had anything to do with Cassel...his throws that Bowe missed were on the money.
I do agree Cassel overthrew a couple times I saw, and an underthrow once I think I saw too, but not sure if that was his fault with an accuracy issue...or the fault of his intended WR's timing off, pressure from Indy with a failed OL??? As I said, I wasn't able to watch all the game, so it's hard for me to judge & give an honest opinion on Cassels overall performance today.

The good news...not many teams in the NFL can hold Manning to only 1 TD, and that only TD came later in the 4th Q. We kept the game low scoring & tied for much of the game. Keep in mind also, the crowd noise at Indy was even louder than normal from what I've read others around Facebook saying who were there, Indy fans. They were amped more than normal wanting to be the ones who knocked the only undefeated team in the NFL off their pedestal, as we knew would be the case. The crowd noise may have been a factor for Cassel today.

Three7s
10-11-2010, 01:00 AM
I was in a room with about eight adults and a few children that were going in and outside when Bowe dropped the easiest TD catch of his life.

When he dropped it, the whole room just went dead silent in disbelief, and I just stand up and yes, "OH MY ****ING GOD BOWe, JUST CHANGE YOUR NAME TO BLOW CAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU EVER DO!" and after that, everyone just laughed their butts off.

I am so sick and tired of the Blow Show it's not even funny. Average speed, stone hands, terrible route runner. The only thing he's good for is drawing coverage because he's "The Show".

Big Daddy Tek
10-11-2010, 01:11 AM
I'm really interested in what the final word of this thread title is? lol.

figcrostic, Listen dude, Bowe really blew it today. Was Matt Casssl great? Heck no. But that doesn't change the fact that Bowe really dropped the ball. Pun intended.

You can never blame a whole game on one play, but Haley always says that you have to step up when you have a chance to be great, Bowe didn't do that today. I can tell you right now that you are much happier about Bowe than Haley is and a few more games like this and Bowe will be paying somewhere else next year.

fairladyZ
10-11-2010, 01:50 AM
This team is not a superstar team.. We cannot make mistakes and expect to win. The reason we were 3-0 was because we played sound football and didn't beat ourself with mistakes. This game however we lost because we made mistakes against the Colts. We cannot do that.

#1 Charles had a great game but he lost a fumble. I don't care that it was a huge hit. He was in traffic trying to make a play and put both hands on for the first hit then took his left hand off and tried ot make a juke and got stoned. Just like lastyear when he had fumble problems. He is trying to hard. PUT BOTH HANDS ON THE BALL IN THE MIDDLE!

#2 Bowe has just become a joke. He is not thrown to much. He does make awesome catches. But on this team you cannot have drops like he has had. they are a momentum and drive killer. And this young team needs momentum to carry them.

#3 Chambers is just non exsistent. I don't know if he's getting doubled or he just can't break away but something is going on there. Specially since Terrance Copper was replacing him for quite a few snaps this game.

#4 It's hard to yell at haley for going for it on 4-2. If he knew how the game was going to go (field goals) i'm sure he would have kicked it. But i'm sure on that drive watching Indy go down and us stopping them he thought we wouldn't be able to stop them every time like we did. Onside kick wasn't a bad call, of course people don't like it cause it didn't work but if it would have they would have been going crazy and praising.. The execution was perfect just stupid ball stood up and took a weird spin. Way of the game i suppose.

#5 Refs need ot keep their damn flags in their pockets and stop throwing late flags for BS like calling DJ on his PI. Or brandon albert for a phantom hold.

#6 Tough one but when the ball hits DJ in the hands and he could have run back for a pick 6 that's a tough let down. i love DJ but we need those for this team.

Connie Jo
10-11-2010, 02:05 AM
This team is not a superstar team.. We cannot make mistakes and expect to win. The reason we were 3-0 was because we played sound football and didn't beat ourself with mistakes. This game however we lost because we made mistakes against the Colts. We cannot do that.

#1 Charles had a great game but he lost a fumble. I don't care that it was a huge hit. He was in traffic trying to make a play and put both hands on for the first hit then took his left hand off and tried ot make a juke and got stoned. Just like lastyear when he had fumble problems. He is trying to hard. PUT BOTH HANDS ON THE BALL IN THE MIDDLE!

#2 Bowe has just become a joke. He is not thrown to much. He does make awesome catches. But on this team you cannot have drops like he has had. they are a momentum and drive killer. And this young team needs momentum to carry them.

#3 Chambers is just non exsistent. I don't know if he's getting doubled or he just can't break away but something is going on there. Specially since Terrance Copper was replacing him for quite a few snaps this game.

#4 It's hard to yell at haley for going for it on 4-2. If he knew how the game was going to go (field goals) i'm sure he would have kicked it. But i'm sure on that drive watching Indy go down and us stopping them he thought we wouldn't be able to stop them every time like we did. Onside kick wasn't a bad call, of course people don't like it cause it didn't work but if it would have they would have been going crazy and praising.. The execution was perfect just stupid ball stood up and took a weird spin. Way of the game i suppose.

#5 Refs need ot keep their damn flags in their pockets and stop throwing late flags for BS like calling DJ on his PI. Or brandon albert for a phantom hold.

#6 Tough one but when the ball hits DJ in the hands and he could have run back for a pick 6 that's a tough let down. i love DJ but we need those for this team.

I missed the onside kick. Thanks for clarifying it was DJ the refs called pass interference on, not Flowers, I couldn't remember, too many distractions with kids. Also, clarifying it being DJ who missed the interception opportunity. I did see the hold call on Albert, forgot about that one, which I also disagreed with.

I was watching the game at a bowling alley attending a birthday party. The TV's are also the score monitors at the bowling alley, no clarity. Anyway, from what of the game I was able to see, you're seeing & calling it much as I did also. :)

Connie Jo
10-11-2010, 02:09 AM
I was in a room with about eight adults and a few children that were going in and outside when Bowe dropped the easiest TD catch of his life.

When he dropped it, the whole room just went dead silent in disbelief, and I just stand up and yes, "OH MY ****ING GOD BOWe, JUST CHANGE YOUR NAME TO BLOW CAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU EVER DO!" and after that, everyone just laughed their butts off.

I am so sick and tired of the Blow Show it's not even funny. Average speed, stone hands, terrible route runner. The only thing he's good for is drawing coverage because he's "The Show".

Well, I was at a public bowling alley, with about 20 kids ages 5-12, their parents, as well as many other patrons. It was in my own best interest I go outside to vent my anger, lol.

fairladyZ
10-11-2010, 02:12 AM
Honestly it wasn't a horrible game. This team just cannot make mistakes. Especially against a top team like the colts.

I'm still upset we lost but in a way i'm glad the undeafeted talk is over with now. Now the media will forget about the chiefs. Haley will use this tape to burn into the players heads that we cannot make those mistakes and we can focus on playing football again. Go into Houston and play the same game just without the miscues.

The game was setup perfect for us to win. We did exactly what we said we would do in order to beat them. We just had miscues and missed our opportunities

Connie Jo
10-11-2010, 02:19 AM
Honestly it wasn't a horrible game. This team just cannot make mistakes. Especially against a top team like the colts.

I'm still upset we lost but in a way i'm glad the undeafeted talk is over with now. Now the media will forget about the chiefs. Haley will use this tape to burn into the players heads that we cannot make those mistakes and we can focus on playing football again. Go into Houston and play the same game just without the miscues.

The game was setup perfect for us to win. We did exactly what we said we would do in order to beat them. We just had miscues and missed our opportunities

REP!! :)

greg3564
10-11-2010, 02:41 AM
Everyone blames Dwayne Bowe because he dropped a couple catches it's not just his fault the balls could be thrown better and him not holding onto it is inexcusable but let's not forget what this man has done for us and how he has been our number one reciever for many years.

He's been the number one guy because we could never get halfway decent WR's in here. So in that respect, yeah, Bowe looks like a superstar. He has the ability to go up and make the big play. He WANTS to be the big play guy. But Dwayne "Butterfingers" Bowe can't catch the damn ball!!!!!!:SmokinBanana:

fairladyZ
10-11-2010, 02:51 AM
REP!! :)
;) TY..

chiefnut
10-11-2010, 12:42 PM
i am not as upset as most, the memories of 2-14, 2-14, 4-12 are still fresh. i luv what we've done this year. yes we may have blown a chance at 4-0 but we are playing an elite team within a play or two of beating them. we'll beat them next time.....in the playoffs. about cassel vs bowe, the problem as i see it is that we have a QB who doesn't often throw it right on target so we need receivers to not blow that rare opportunity when it hits them in their hands.

Canada
10-11-2010, 12:45 PM
4-12 2-14 4-12 Just sayin.:bananen_smilies046:

chiefnut
10-11-2010, 12:47 PM
4-12 2-14 4-12 Just sayin.:bananen_smilies046:

i said they were memories, i didn't say they were accurate:chiefs: memories!

Canada
10-11-2010, 12:51 PM
i said they were memories, i didn't say they were accurate:chiefs: memories!:lol: I know memory of those times is a little hazy too!! :drunkhb:

Hayvern
10-11-2010, 12:52 PM
i am not as upset as most, the memories of 2-14, 2-14, 4-12 are still fresh. i luv what we've done this year. yes we may have blown a chance at 4-0 but we are playing an elite team within a play or two of beating them. we'll beat them next time.....in the playoffs. about cassel vs bowe, the problem as i see it is that we have a QB who doesn't often throw it right on target so we need receivers to not blow that rare opportunity when it hits them in their hands.


I don't know, I think Cassel has thrown a lot of balls right on target, our guys just don't catch them. Remember, there are times when passes have to be thrown a certain way, when you watch Manning, one of the most accurate passers out there, you see a lot of passes where the receivers have to stretch for the pass, or turn around the wrong way.

They are thrown that way so it only allows the receiver to make the play.

Take the Monday night game for instance, there was a pass play where Bowe was running down the sideline, the pass was delivered to Bowe's back shoulder, right on target and right where it should have been located. The ball bounces off of Bowe's arm.

That is a perfectly thrown pass that should have been caught.

The really bad passes are those that hit the ground before reaching the target or those that are thrown where there is no receiver. Yeah, I have also seen some that are pulled out of the dirt as well, but that happens with all QBS and good receivers make those plays.

Cassels problems are well documented, but our receivers have problems that are well documented too. Cassel has a problem with staring down the receivers and throwing the ball into heavy coverage while missing the wide open man. He has to get better at that. Our receivers have to be able to bring those passes in when they are in the vacinity.

A lot is being spoken about Moeaki, well that kid is doing what all the receivers should be doing. Making the plays, there is no reason why Bowe and Chambers should not be making those types of plays as well.

Max Steingrout
10-11-2010, 12:58 PM
too bad they didn't cover. I also think they may have grew up yesterday.

nigeriannightmare
10-11-2010, 12:58 PM
Are you just pulling out random nonsense quotes you here commentators say during the game or are you trying to make a point?

Anyone else reminded of timsatt????????

Canada
10-11-2010, 12:58 PM
Anyone else reminded of timsatt????????:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol:

I gave out all my Rep but this one deserves it!!

Drunker Hillbilly
10-11-2010, 12:59 PM
Anyone else reminded of timsatt????????
LMAO!!!!!

chiefnut
10-11-2010, 01:05 PM
that's not a perfectly thrown ball, bowe had to jump & spin 270* while running. when a receiver does not have to slow down and the ball lands in his hands THAT is a perfectly thrown ball. now bowe did get his hands on the ball and could have made the catch but that is not an easy catch. cassel has misfired on a lot of throws just like bowe has dropped passes. they both need to be better or be somewhere else.

Canada
10-11-2010, 01:07 PM
that's not a perfectly thrown ball, bowe had to jump & spin 270* while running. when a receiver does not have to slow down and the ball lands in his hands THAT is a perfectly thrown ball. now bowe did get his hands on the ball and could have made the catch but that is not an easy catch. cassel has misfired on a lot of throws just like bowe has dropped passes. they both need to be better or be somewhere else.

That pass was exactly where it should have been. back shoulder where it has no chance to get picked off. A starting NFL WR should catch that ball every time.

Ryfo18
10-11-2010, 01:21 PM
that's not a perfectly thrown ball, bowe had to jump & spin 270* while running. when a receiver does not have to slow down and the ball lands in his hands THAT is a perfectly thrown ball. now bowe did get his hands on the ball and could have made the catch but that is not an easy catch. cassel has misfired on a lot of throws just like bowe has dropped passes. they both need to be better or be somewhere else.

Yeah if that bal is thrown anywhere else the corner has a chance to make a play on it, or worse, intercept it. It was a great throw by Matt, Bowe has to catch it, especially since he got his hands on it.

chiefnut
10-11-2010, 01:29 PM
That pass was exactly where it should have been. back shoulder where it has no chance to get picked off. A starting NFL WR should catch that ball every time.

a great wr would have made the catch most of the time. a good nfl QB would have thrown it to an open receiver

Canada
10-11-2010, 01:31 PM
Bowe was the open receiver!! It hit him in the hands!!

chiefnut
10-11-2010, 01:33 PM
Oh Canada you do know we are not talking about yesterdays drop in the endzone right??

Drunker Hillbilly
10-11-2010, 01:33 PM
He was open and dropped it. I think it's hard to say it was a "perfect" pass but I agree 100% that it was in the correct spot to leave only the WR to catch it and not the defender. They practice this all week long in practice and the play is called to be thrown towards the back shoulder for this exact reason. Bottom line in Bowe is less than a good receiver. Cassell has been bad at times but avg at times which is all we need him to be. If the WR don't make catches to boost the confidence of the QB, it goes south in a hurry. Bowe has been below avg on the whole and has done nothing to help his QB who most of the time has been under massive pressure becoause the O line has been so bad. This wasn't the case so much yesterday but it certainly has been in the past.

Canada
10-11-2010, 01:35 PM
Oh Canada you do know we are not talking about yesterdays drop in the endzone right??

sorry, no I didnt. I will be quiet now!! :canbeer:

Ryfo18
10-11-2010, 01:37 PM
Oh Canada you do know we are not talking about yesterdays drop in the endzone right??

I just watched the play again and cannot see how you can argue that Bowe wasn't open.

chiefnut
10-11-2010, 02:00 PM
sorry, no I didnt. I will be quiet now!! :canbeer:


he was talking about the one he dropped against the chargers on the right sideline that was thrown behind him on his right shoulder, in the rain.:bananen_smilies046:

okikcfan
10-11-2010, 03:09 PM
I say let's just put Moeaki in the #1 WR slot and put Bowe at #3, just sayin......

Connie Jo
10-11-2010, 03:25 PM
I say let's just put Moeaki in the #1 WR slot and put Bowe at #3, just sayin......

Yeah, I didn't get to watch the entire game, but someone said Moeaki did have the most receiving yards at 50 yesterday?? I must have missed some plays with Moeaki, cause one of my thoughts was we didn't use him enough, nor Thomas Jones. I sorta felt like we were wearing Charles out, not alternating more with Jones, who has played well.

Heck, may sound off the wall...but why not use McCluster more often in pass plays as well, considering our starting WR's seem to be having issues dropping balls or missing catches. College coaches have said his size doesn't matter, that he was accomplished as a WR, & his play shouldn't be limited to a slot WR, kick returner.

Pro_Angler
10-11-2010, 04:45 PM
I agree with Fig. We played a great game on D and would have been a great game on offensive (as far as scoring) if charles didnt fumble twice..(yes twice) the first one cost us a easy 1st and goal at the 4-5 yd line and the other was the second when we were in great scoring position.
We beat our selves and should have won, I am not hapy but I am not really mad either i am kinda in limbo today..
atleast we are still 2 games upo in our division.. Houston is now a must win IMO

okikcfan
10-11-2010, 06:25 PM
I agree with Fig. We played a great game on D and would have been a great game on offensive (as far as scoring) if charles didnt fumble twice..(yes twice) the first one cost us a easy 1st and goal at the 4-5 yd line and the other was the second when we were in great scoring position.
We beat our selves and should have won, I am not hapy but I am not really mad either i am kinda in limbo today..
atleast we are still 2 games upo in our division.. Houston is now a must win IMO


I just think the hit on Charles was a solid hit. Not too many RB's could have hung onto that ball. It was a very good and clean hit. I don't blame Charles for that one. If any blame at all has to go out, it goes out to Bowe. Don't get me wrong, I'm not gettin Neg. here I'm just sayin:chiefs:

Connie Jo
10-11-2010, 06:29 PM
I just think the hit on Charles was a solid hit. Not too many RB's could have hung onto that ball. It was a very good and clean hit. I don't blame Charles for that one. If any blame at all has to go out, it goes out to Bowe. Don't get me wrong, I'm not gettin Neg. here I'm just sayin:chiefs:

I must have missed Charles' 2nd fumble, but this one I did see, and agree...it was a HARD hit, and I was worried for second it might have hurt him, but apparently not. It also looked to me in the replay that the guy who hit him punched the ball out as he hit him.

okikcfan
10-11-2010, 07:28 PM
The first fumble was not a fumble. He lost control of the ball for a second but kept ahold of it. He never really lost it.

Pro_Angler
10-11-2010, 07:41 PM
but it definetely cost us the 1st down and maybe a TD, you cannot deny that

Three7s
10-11-2010, 08:24 PM
but it definetely cost us the 1st down and maybe a TD, you cannot deny that
Yep, the defender got his arms and caused Charles to lose control of the ball a bit, and that slowed Charles down just enough to not make it to the first down marker.

People pissed on the Colts defense the whole two weeks and the whole season, but they are a really good defense at home.