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Coach
01-09-2011, 06:18 PM
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It's official, the Chiefs will be picking at the #21 spot. Who should the Chiefs be targeting in the 1st round?

brdempsey69
01-09-2011, 06:19 PM
Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State. Top rated O-Lineman in Draft by many. Can play both Tackle and Guard positions. Big, tough, and smart. Exactly the kind of guy the Chiefs O-Line needs. Go for WR in the 2nd round.

stricken721
01-09-2011, 06:22 PM
I'd love to have Von Miller from Texas A&M, but I doubt he is still available at 22. He'll likely go in the top 10.

kilobytes
01-09-2011, 06:23 PM
Idk anyone in college but we absolutely need an O linemen.

figcrostic
01-09-2011, 06:31 PM
Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State. Top rated O-Lineman in Draft by many. Can play both Tackle and Guard positions. Big, tough, and smart. Exactly the kind of guy the Chiefs O-Line needs. Go for WR in the 2nd round.

Yes sir thats my guy!!! :yahoo:

brdempsey69
01-09-2011, 06:41 PM
Yes sir thats my guy!!! :yahoo:

Yes, you were the first to point him out. Hats off to you,:bananen_smilies046:

He has to be the pick, if he's there at #22

jap1
01-09-2011, 06:48 PM
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It's official, the Chiefs will be picking at the #22 spot. Who should the Chiefs be targeting in the 1st round?

I think we will be at #21. I think we will be tied with Indy and the loser of the GB/Philly
game. I think the tiebreaker is strength of schedule (the w-l record of opponents) and we had the lowest SOS. I may be wrong.

rodu
01-09-2011, 07:18 PM
Who are the top ranked centers? Thats what i want

Coach
01-09-2011, 07:24 PM
I think we will be at #21. I think we will be tied with Indy and the loser of the GB/Philly
game. I think the tiebreaker is strength of schedule (the w-l record of opponents) and we had the lowest SOS. I may be wrong.

Hoping you are right. Editing post. It would have been 22nd. But since Seattle won, I believe it may have changed.

azchiefsfan
01-09-2011, 07:33 PM
Just a couple 300+ lb offensive linemen who can actually punish defensive linemen. Nobody in particular, just some really, really big guys.

USMCChiefFanatic
01-09-2011, 11:42 PM
We have many needs on this team. We need at least 3 lineman, a wideout, a linebacker, a true nosetackle, another LDE, and another safety. I would strongly advise a young QB to develop while we give Cassel another year to truly prove himself.
Here is a list of players I like.

Mike Pouncy, Derek Sharrod for the line. WR I like Jernigan and I really like Austin Pettis. I watched him a few times and he is a great player.
For QB, Blaine Gabbert has a good arm, is an accurate passer, and the size. His decision making is questionable at times and he has played from the spread. I also like Justin Roper from Montana as a development project.
Dontay Moch from Nevade and Brooks Reed from Connecticut at OLB to replace the aging Vrabel.
Jeron Johnson from boise st. and Shiloh Keo from Idaho st. at safety.
For NT the only one I like is Phil Taylor from Baylor.
DE I think Ollie Ogbu from Penn St could go from DT to LE. Also Pernell McPhee from Miss. St. and Brandon Blair from Oregon.

As for who we take in the first round we need a lineman. Waters, Wiegmann and Lilja don't have much left in the tank. Barry shows sparks at times but also seems like he could be a waste of time.
1st Round - Pouncy or Sharrod
2nd Round - Gabbert
3rd Round - Pettis

The rest is up to them. Thoughts?

rodu
01-10-2011, 12:04 AM
Lilja isn't even 30 yet

Xanathol
01-10-2011, 02:05 AM
Sherrod or Pouncey is nice, but if he's there ( and some think he may be ), Julio Jones would be a heck of a two to line up with Bowe.

tornadospotter
01-10-2011, 02:20 AM
I want to draft players that are team leaders. Players that are team first.

Three7s
01-10-2011, 02:39 AM
We have three major needs,(WR, OT, NT) and not enough picks to get them all with good quality. We'll see what happens.

pbatrucker
01-10-2011, 10:11 AM
IMO Julio Jones will be gone b4 we pick. Von Miller at 240 lbs is too light to play OLB in our system. Teams would run on him all day long.
Sherrod, Castono from BC and possible Cerimi from WI. One should be available to us for OT.
I've been thinking Mike Pouncey for some time now. A big strong, smart 310 lb OC could be a nice addition for years to come.
Taylor is a risky pick at NT, you're 350 LB NT could show up for camp at 450 . Powe is the top rated NT and we'd have reach for him in the 2nd rd b4 some one else grabs him.
If we are going to play physical football, we'd better be getting bigger and stronger in the trenches were we can play physical.
SD and Oakland in our division manhandles us and next year we play the NFC North and AFC East. Unless Pioli gets into the free agent market and we have another amazing draft, our record could get worse next year.

LankyChief11
01-10-2011, 10:15 AM
What do you guys think of Cameron Sheffield's future with the Chiefs? Also Urban will be nice to have next year.

pbatrucker
01-10-2011, 10:22 AM
Sheffiled showed promise as a pass rusher b4 the injury.
Any WR that can play the position will be welcome,

Dmello
01-17-2011, 06:08 PM
i like Jon Baldwin a 6'5 receiver out of pitt

Jrudi
01-17-2011, 10:41 PM
Saw someone post Wisniewski as a center prospect, hadn't heard of him yet so I read up on him. He really does seem like a guy the Chiefs could target, except he is projected in the 2nd round not the 1st. But I could see them going for him if he is available.

I always keep in mind when looking for prospects we might target, to look for high character, hard working players with a lot of playing experience, and they seem to like the SEC.

A couple players that fit that: Round2- Demarcus Love OT Arkansas (Could step in and be a stud RT for us)

Round 3- Marcus Gilbert OT Florida (Could be our RT as well), Ahmad Black SS Florida, Jerrell Powe DT Ole Miss.

Round 4- Kelvin Sheppard ILB LSU

Round 5- Greg McElroy QB Alabama

Other prospects not in the SEC: Round 2 Greg Jones ILB Mich St.

Just a few names in some later rounds that fit the type of player Haley and Pioli like. Most are team captains, and most have at least 3 years of starting experience.

Anyone know some other names that fit this mold?

josh1971
01-17-2011, 10:56 PM
What do you guys think of Cameron Sheffield's future with the Chiefs? Also Urban will be nice to have next year.

I'm very interested to see what he can do. That injury was a bummer, to say the least, because I was so glad when I was reading up on him. Hopefully this year he can come in and make an impact.

As far as the draft- anyone know how many picks we have (currently)? Pioli seems to be a wheeler/dealer, so I thought we might have additional ones.

First round? I dunno... I'd say offensive line or NT. I know we need another WR, but the trenches need more effective warriors.

JB

chiefnut
01-18-2011, 08:44 AM
i watched some film of sherrod, he was beaten badly on a number of passing downs, missed his blocks on sweeps and downdfield, but he also made some good plays but it looks like he may be overated. costonzo or carimi may be better picks for us.

chiefnut
01-18-2011, 08:55 AM
i'm not sure about niswanger, haven't seen him play much. he was the heir apparent then wegman came back. they may feel he has developed enuf to take over or look to draft a new center. we have assumed he won't be starting next year but who knows.
if we are to continue improving we need upgrades at LT, C, NT, DE, WR, LB.....better hope we find some late round gems like jarrod allen......of course then we can always trade them away later!

pbatrucker
01-18-2011, 11:38 AM
My early guess at pick 21. Would fill a position of need. Yea, a little light for a NT, but he could easily but on 15 lbs of muscle. One of the strongest players in the draft. Team captain, active in the community and a good student. If he's around for our pick, this is my guess.

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chiefnut
01-18-2011, 12:34 PM
I like phillip taylor from baylor...he is 6'4" and 340lbs...a beast in the middle to occupy 2 O-linemen and should be available in 2nd or 3rd round. i read some other draft board reports on cbs and walters they rated him as solid 2nd rounder whose stock was rising.

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pbatrucker
01-18-2011, 12:56 PM
Taylor, Powe and the other true NT all have off the field issues. They just don't fit the mold of what the Chiefs have been drafting.

chiefnut
01-18-2011, 02:19 PM
Taylor, Powe and the other true NT all have off the field issues. They just don't fit the mold of what the Chiefs have been drafting.


i'm not sure about powe but what off field issues are you referring to about taylor? if its the dorm fight 3 years ago that really wasn't a big issue. it was poor judgement when he and several others broke down the door of another student in retaliation for what that student had done. JoePa booted him and others off the team for the 2008 season and put others on suspension. this is not a kid into drugs, stealing or wild nights on the town, i think he would fit in fine in KC.

Jrudi
01-18-2011, 02:19 PM
With the high draft prospects at DT having off field issues, Maybe they will try and dip into the FA pool to fill this need, and try and Draft a legit one next season or find one later in the draft without off field issues...

brdempsey69
01-18-2011, 02:28 PM
i watched some film of sherrod, he was beaten badly on a number of passing downs, missed his blocks on sweeps and downdfield, but he also made some good plays but it looks like he may be overated. costonzo or carimi may be better picks for us.

Well, if that's the case about Sherrod, then perhaps you are right, Carimi or Castonzo would be better, but Castonzo is strictly a Left Tackle it's been said. Carimi can play either side.

But, I don't believe the Chiefs will take any of the 3, having passed on Russell Okung last year.

chiefnut
01-18-2011, 02:44 PM
if we built a team on the players we passed up in the last five drafts we would have an all-star team

wilqb16
01-18-2011, 05:35 PM
I want us to trade our #1 for Larry Fitzgerald, then look to add center in the 2nd round and an OLB in the 3rd. I would like to see us add an NT in free agency and a backup QB in the 4th-6th rounds.

brdempsey69
01-18-2011, 05:43 PM
if we built a team on the players we passed up in the last five drafts we would have an all-star team

I agree. There is some truth to that. Except maybe 2008 with their top 4 choices, as they did pretty good there.

honda522
01-18-2011, 07:30 PM
I think are number one need right now is an OL. Weather it be a guard tackle or center. I believe centers are the most important cause for one thing they handle the ball. Weigmann is awesome but he even said he might on have one year left. He is over 10,000 consecutive snaps, he is bound to get injured soon.

I think its also time to replace Croyle. Obvioiusly that shouldn't be a number one pick.

Or do you go deep and trade down and get a few picks. Maybe trade for a second and third round picks. We still have a few positions to fill as far as deepth.

4everchiefsfan25
01-18-2011, 07:40 PM
I think that we need to draft a pash rushing outside linebacker. We already have one but we need somebody to help Hali on the other side. IMO if we get an OLB that will make our defense a lot better and we will beable to score more points on defense, which in my opinion will help our offense out a lot. I have always believed you build your defense first and then build your offense. Look at Flacco and Sanchez, there is a lot of pressure taken off of their shoulders because of their defense. They know that if they do make a mistake they have a great defense that can hold the opposing defense from scoring. I'am a firm believer that offenses put fans in the stands and defenses win championships, and I think the Chiefs are almost there for a Super Bowl defense.

josh1971
01-18-2011, 08:20 PM
As a side note, I wish the NFL would go back to making less of a spectacle out of the draft.

Ryfo18
01-18-2011, 08:38 PM
I'm not sure I'm down with the "take another pass rushing OLB." We need a replacement for Vrabel. While he may be sometimes required to rush the passer, it's certainly not his primary job. Just google SAM linebacker to get a better idea of the traits this player needs to have. Akeem Ayers is a name of a guy that would be a good fit, not Von Miller. Miller rushed the passer something like 90% of the time in college. He plays the same position as Hali.

nigeriannightmare
01-19-2011, 10:47 AM
We have many needs on this team. We need at least 3 lineman, a wideout, a linebacker, a true nosetackle, another LDE, and another safety. I would strongly advise a young QB to develop while we give Cassel another year to truly prove himself.
Here is a list of players I like.

Mike Pouncy, Derek Sharrod for the line. WR I like Jernigan and I really like Austin Pettis. I watched him a few times and he is a great player.
For QB, Blaine Gabbert has a good arm, is an accurate passer, and the size. His decision making is questionable at times and he has played from the spread. I also like Justin Roper from Montana as a development project.
Dontay Moch from Nevade and Brooks Reed from Connecticut at OLB to replace the aging Vrabel.
Jeron Johnson from boise st. and Shiloh Keo from Idaho st. at safety.
For NT the only one I like is Phil Taylor from Baylor.
DE I think Ollie Ogbu from Penn St could go from DT to LE. Also Pernell McPhee from Miss. St. and Brandon Blair from Oregon.

As for who we take in the first round we need a lineman. Waters, Wiegmann and Lilja don't have much left in the tank. Barry shows sparks at times but also seems like he could be a waste of time.
1st Round - Pouncy or Sharrod
2nd Round - Gabbert
3rd Round - Pettis

The rest is up to them. Thoughts?

No way gabbert will be there in the second top rated qb on the board.

brdempsey69
01-19-2011, 11:50 AM
I'm not sure I'm down with the "take another pass rushing OLB." We need a replacement for Vrabel. While he may be sometimes required to rush the passer, it's certainly not his primary job. Just google SAM linebacker to get a better idea of the traits this player needs to have. Akeem Ayers is a name of a guy that would be a good fit, not Von Miller. Miller rushed the passer something like 90% of the time in college. He plays the same position as Hali.

I can't help but wonder if they are really willing to give up on Studebaker that quickly to spend a 1st round pick on an OLB to replace Vrabel. It could happen, but to me it's a head scratcher. Studebaker should get 1st crack at it, as he has shown promise, but we never know.

pbatrucker
01-19-2011, 11:57 AM
I can't help but wonder if they are really willing to give up on Studebaker that quickly to spend a 1st round pick on an OLB to replace Vrabel. It could happen, but to me it's a head scratcher. Studebaker should get 1st crack at it, as he has shown promise, but we never know.

I agree that Studebaker will be the starter replacing Vrabel this year. He took over in sub packages this year and will get his shot at starting full time next year. He has shown he holds up well in run support and coverage and has shown promise as a pass rusher when given the chance.

4everchiefsfan25
01-19-2011, 12:06 PM
I agree that Studebaker will be the starter replacing Vrabel this year. He took over in sub packages this year and will get his shot at starting full time next year. He has shown he holds up well in run support and coverage and has shown promise as a pass rusher when given the chance.
I agree that Studebaker should get a shot but Haley has preached that he is all about competition so just because Studebaker has showed some promise why not bring in another OLB for competition. Maybe I was wrong saying we need to get an OLB in the first round but if we dont go for one in the first round then I think we should get a big nose tackle in the first round.

brdempsey69
01-19-2011, 12:06 PM
I agree that Studebaker will be the starter replacing Vrabel this year. He took over in sub packages this year and will get his shot at starting full time next year. He has shown he holds up well in run support and coverage and has shown promise as a pass rusher when given the chance.

My thoughts exactly, plus they gave Studebaker a contract extension, already. I don't recall ever seeing Studebaker play poorly at any time this season & often times in pass coverage, he was there to tackle receivers as soon as they caught the ball.

pbatrucker
01-19-2011, 12:52 PM
I agree that Studebaker should get a shot but Haley has preached that he is all about competition so just because Studebaker has showed some promise why not bring in another OLB for competition. Maybe I was wrong saying we need to get an OLB in the first round but if we dont go for one in the first round then I think we should get a big nose tackle in the first round.
We have Studebaker and Sheffield and I expect Vrabel to come back in a lesser role.
All the top NT's should be available in the 2nd and 3rd rds. IMO if one of the top 3 OT's are on the board, that's the way we should go. Cerimi is my favorite, but any of the top 3 would start out at RT for us.
But really, as long as they pick the beast available player at a position of need, No one should complain.

brdempsey69
01-19-2011, 01:15 PM
We have Studebaker and Sheffield and I expect Vrabel to come back in a lesser role.
All the top NT's should be available in the 2nd and 3rd rds. IMO if one of the top 3 OT's are on the board, that's the way we should go. Cerimi is my favorite, but any of the top 3 would start out at RT for us.
But really, as long as they pick the beast available player at a position of need, No one should complain.

Roger that. O-Line and WR are probably bigger needs than NT and I don't see a stud NT or WR being there at #21. My leaning is starting to go towards Carimi because at the very least you get a big power guy at RT who also can give you insurance at LT in a pinch as he was a 4 year starter at LT. Got to love his size and his mobilty and he can get to the 2nd level downfield. Jamaal Charles would love running behind this guy, plus he has decent pass blocking skills, not elite yet, but pretty good.

josh1971
01-19-2011, 10:39 PM
Of course, you never know if we'll trade up to pick before #21...

Ryfo18
01-19-2011, 11:20 PM
Of course, you never know if we'll trade up to pick before #21...

Hell this might be a year they trade down (like they've tried in years past) and try to accumulate some picks for later in the draft.

jap1
01-20-2011, 02:37 AM
Hell this might be a year they trade down (like they've tried in years past) and try to accumulate some picks for later in the draft.

I almost expect us to start doing this. That is the way the Patriots drafted when Pioli was there. They would trade back and accumulate picks, both for the current and future years. I think Pioli recognizes that there is a lot of talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, and that talent is a lot cheaper than the talent in the 1st round.

Eydugstr
01-20-2011, 10:29 AM
Roger that. O-Line and WR are probably bigger needs than NT and I don't see a stud NT or WR being there at #21.

+1.

When I watched the Ravens, Raiders and the last Chargers games, got the feeling that we lost those games last April. I really like Dexter McCluster, but the team really needed to draft some O-line in that spot and those games proved it.

My hope is that we keep Chambers for one more year (if he'll stay) and Haley figures out a way to get him in the game plan more. Would also like to see Studebaker get into the game plan some more. Year before last he did great in everything they asked him to do; this year, where'd he go ?!?

If we are able to keep these two guys, then draft like this...

1st round - OL
2nd round - WR, best pass rusher, or if all else fails, OL

:chiefs:

brdempsey69
01-20-2011, 12:02 PM
+1.

When I watched the Ravens, Raiders and the last Chargers games, got the feeling that we lost those games last April. I really like Dexter McCluster, but the team really needed to draft some O-line in that spot and those games proved it.

My hope is that we keep Chambers for one more year (if he'll stay) and Haley figures out a way to get him in the game plan more. Would also like to see Studebaker get into the game plan some more. Year before last he did great in everything they asked him to do; this year, where'd he go ?!?

If we are able to keep these two guys, then draft like this...

1st round - OL
2nd round - WR, best pass rusher, or if all else fails, OL

:chiefs:

Recced. O-Line help is needed more than anything and those games against the Raiders and Ravens, we saw Cassel get beat into a zombie & it had a huge effect on his decision making ( same thing happened to Tom Brady against the Jets ). If Pioli ignores the O-Line again like he did last year, we'll more than likely see a repeat of 2009 when Cassel got beat into a zombie on almost a weekly basis.

Jrudi
01-20-2011, 01:47 PM
I almost expect us to start doing this. That is the way the Patriots drafted when Pioli was there. They would trade back and accumulate picks, both for the current and future years. I think Pioli recognizes that there is a lot of talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, and that talent is a lot cheaper than the talent in the 1st round.

Agree with this. It is exactly the way the Patriots draft. Trade back accumulate 2nd and 3rd round picks. This is why you don't hear of to many draft busts out of NE, most of their players are later round guys. They don't have the huge investment of a 1st rounder either.

Take Jamaal Charles for example, he was a 3rd round pick a few years ago, If he wouldn't have panned out, no one would have cared, because the money isn't on the line. He was due $460,000 (I think) this year before signing his extension. When you think about that now, it sounds crazy for as good as he has become.

I really think stockpiling 2nd and 3rd round picks like the Pats did when Pioli was there and still do is the reason the Pats have consistently been at the top of the league for so long; Hell these past two seasons have been re-building seasons for them and they still seem to compete at the top of the league!

4everchiefsfan25
01-21-2011, 01:59 PM
I'm not sure I'm down with the "take another pass rushing OLB." We need a replacement for Vrabel. While he may be sometimes required to rush the passer, it's certainly not his primary job. Just google SAM linebacker to get a better idea of the traits this player needs to have. Akeem Ayers is a name of a guy that would be a good fit, not Von Miller. Miller rushed the passer something like 90% of the time in college. He plays the same position as Hali.
Basics of the 3-4 Defense - From The Rumble Seat (http://www.fromtherumbleseat.com/2010/3/31/1397289/basics-of-the-3-4-defense) here is a break down of the 3-4 defense

4everchiefsfan25
01-21-2011, 02:02 PM
What are the 3-4 and 4-3 Defenses in Football? (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-3-4-and-4-3-defenses-in-football.htm)
here is another break down

brdempsey69
01-22-2011, 05:21 PM
I liked this mock draft that this one guy posted at Arrowhead Pride & if they picked up a guy like Breaston via FA, it becomes even better.

1. Justin Houston OLB Georgia
2. Joseph Barksdale OT LSU
3. Jerrel Powe DT Ole Miss
4. Dwayne Harris WR/KR East Carolina
5. Alex Linnenkohl, C, Oregon State
5. Mike Mohamed ILB Cal or Mario Harvey Ohio
6. Owen Marecic, FB/ILB, Stanford
7. Allen Bradford RB USC

pbatrucker
01-23-2011, 10:42 AM
I liked this mock draft that this one guy posted at Arrowhead Pride & if they picked up a guy like Breaston via FA, it becomes even better.

1. Justin Houston OLB Georgia
2. Joseph Barksdale OT LSU
3. Jerrel Powe DT Ole Miss
4. Dwayne Harris WR/KR East Carolina
5. Alex Linnenkohl, C, Oregon State
5. Mike Mohamed ILB Cal or Mario Harvey Ohio
6. Owen Marecic, FB/ILB, Stanford
7. Allen Bradford RB USC

Houston is a solid pick. It's between him and Akem Ayers as to who will be the first OLB taken.
In 2009 Barksdale was one of the top rated OT's in the nation. In 2010 LSU switched him to LT and his stock dropped. Will probably go in the 3rd or 4th rd now.
We' have to take Powe in the 2nd rd if he last that long. I'm hearing now that his dismissal from South Carolina was acadimics and that he had a learning disorder. His stock dropped in 2010 because Ole Mis asked him to lose weight and play DE. Hee is just a big Old run stuffing NT. Just what we need.

brdempsey69
01-23-2011, 11:58 AM
Houston is a solid pick. It's between him and Akem Ayers as to who will be the first OLB taken.
In 2009 Barksdale was one of the top rated OT's in the nation. In 2010 LSU switched him to LT and his stock dropped. Will probably go in the 3rd or 4th rd now.
We' have to take Powe in the 2nd rd if he last that long. I'm hearing now that his dismissal from South Carolina was acadimics and that he had a learning disorder. His stock dropped in 2010 because Ole Mis asked him to lose weight and play DE. Hee is just a big Old run stuffing NT. Just what we need.

Houston can get after the QB, and he can drop back in coverage to a point. Freakish athlete & the type of choice that if you hit on, you get a player similar to Clay Matthews, but I also can't forget guys like Vernon Gholston, Robert Ayers, Aaron Maybin, and Larry English and I'm not sure the Chiefs aren't willing to give Studebaker and Sheffield a chance at SOLB before spending a 1st rounder at the position. Really I would like to see them take Carimi and plug him in at RT and settle the issue there and at the same time Carimi would provide insurance at LT if Albert were to get hurt.

Chiefs needs are OT,C,NT, and WR, without a doubt.

pbatrucker
01-23-2011, 02:58 PM
Houston can get after the QB, and he can drop back in coverage to a point. Freakish athlete & the type of choice that if you hit on, you get a player similar to Clay Matthews, but I also can't forget guys like Vernon Gholston, Robert Ayers, Aaron Maybin, and Larry English and I'm not sure the Chiefs aren't willing to give Studebaker and Sheffield a chance at SOLB before spending a 1st rounder at the position. Really I would like to see them take Carimi and plug him in at RT and settle the issue there and at the same time Carimi would provide insurance at LT if Albert were to get hurt.

Chiefs needs are OT,C,NT, and WR, without a doubt.
I agree entirely. IMO it's OL or WR in the 1st. I think Hightower from Alabama, a 260 lb ILB is a good posibility in the 2nd.

chiefnut
01-24-2011, 08:55 AM
i'd say LT & NT should be first on the list. albert isn't a bad LT but not a good one either. we need a true NT to plug the middle

brdempsey69
01-24-2011, 05:56 PM
I just saw the weigh-in reports for the Senior Bowl:

http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2011weighinOL.php

Carimi weighed in at 315, which is 12 lbs. lower than he's listed at CBSsports.com. It looks like he's preparing himself well for the draft. 35 1/4 inch arm length. If he falls to #21, the Chiefs have to consider him. His upside is HUGE. It'll depend on how he performs at the Senior Bowl and at the combine.

matthewschiefs
01-24-2011, 06:00 PM
i'd say LT & NT should be first on the list. albert isn't a bad LT but not a good one either. we need a true NT to plug the middle

I agree with Nt being a MAIN need. I think WR is a bigger need for this team right now then LT. Albert is not a bad LT he might not be a good one but right now at WR there is NO ONE outside of bowe. We at least have Albert. We HAVE to get anther WR we can at least live with Albert.

brdempsey69
01-24-2011, 06:17 PM
I agree with Nt being a MAIN need. I think WR is a bigger need for this team right now then LT. Albert is not a bad LT he might not be a good one but right now at WR there is NO ONE outside of bowe. We at least have Albert. We HAVE to get anther WR we can at least live with Albert.

The top 2 WR's will not be there when the Chiefs pick at #21. The rest of the WR's available are 2nd rounders or below. And don't count me in, as well as many others, when you say "we can live with Albert". His days at LT are numbered. I don't see him holding the LT position beyond 2011.

Ryfo18
01-24-2011, 06:48 PM
The top 2 WR's will not be there when the Chiefs pick at #21. The rest of the WR's available are 2nd rounders or below. And don't count me in, as well as many others, when you say "we can live with Albert". His days at LT are numbered. I don't see him holding the LT position beyond 2011.

Maybe not, but I'm still holding out hope that Jones falls, similar to Dez Bryant last year....

kckidd8870
01-24-2011, 07:05 PM
I say Pouncey from Florida or The mathews brother from Oregon.Can't go wrong with anyone from the Mathews family.They all have been great players and strong work ethic.

brdempsey69
01-24-2011, 07:08 PM
Maybe not, but I'm still holding out hope that Jones falls, similar to Dez Bryant last year....

Maybe, but more than likely, Green will be gone in the top 10 and the Rams at #14 will probably take Jones ( they have to get Sam Bradford a playmaker at WR -- it's their most pressing need ). Neither of these guys are coming in with the issues that Dez Bryant came in with last year.

I just don't believe either Green or Jones will be there at #21.

Dmello
02-28-2011, 06:46 PM
What about picking up another safety in a later round such as

Ahmad Black, Florida
Deandre Mcdaniel, Clemson or
Robert Sands, West Virginia

Jrudi
02-28-2011, 06:56 PM
I think we should.

we need depth at Safety and the FA pool isn't strong at the safety position.

I like Amahd Black, but he may warrant a higher pick than what we need to spend on a safety (round 3 maybe)

If he drops to round 4 I say we grab him but he will likely be gone in rounds 2 or 3

josh1971
02-28-2011, 11:43 PM
I don't mind picking up a safety in a later round, but I can't wait to see what Berry and Kendrick Lewis can do in their second seasons.

Mainly, I'd like to see NT and O-line get addressed somewhere in the off season, and as well, some help (GOOD help) in the WR department.

Jrudi
03-01-2011, 10:26 AM
I don't mind picking up a safety in a later round, but I can't wait to see what Berry and Kendrick Lewis can do in their second seasons.

Mainly, I'd like to see NT and O-line get addressed somewhere in the off season, and as well, some help (GOOD help) in the WR department.

I think sign Matt Light to shore up our RT spot for 1 or two seasons (end of his career and wont warrant big $$) draft a Tackle in rounds 2-5 to take his spot.

NT I think Someone like Jerell Powe in round 3 or Sione Fua and sign Shaun Rogers for 1yr deal.

That would allow us to Address OLB and WR2 in rounds 1 and 2 and still have legit talent at the NT and RT spot

Even with WR2 I think we should still sign someone like Steve Breaston or Early Doucett.

dbolan
03-02-2011, 01:57 PM
The Chiefs will trade down for more picks.

Jrudi
03-02-2011, 05:44 PM
The Chiefs will trade down for more picks.

I really hope they do, We are in a good spot to do so. Only bad thing is unless the CBA is signed you can't trade players for draft picks (which may limit teams but it won't be impossible)

I really think that we could look to New England, trade back to pick 28 or 33 and pick up another 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Ryfo18
03-02-2011, 09:17 PM
I really hope they do, We are in a good spot to do so. Only bad thing is unless the CBA is signed you can't trade players for draft picks (which may limit teams but it won't be impossible)

I really think that we could look to New England, trade back to pick 28 or 33 and pick up another 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Pick 33 would be a VERY valuable pick to have. Now that the first round is done in one day and the 2nd round the next day, this gives the Chiefs a full day to decide who they will take out of all the players remaining.

Jrudi
03-03-2011, 01:02 PM
Pick 33 would be a VERY valuable pick to have. Now that the first round is done in one day and the 2nd round the next day, this gives the Chiefs a full day to decide who they will take out of all the players remaining.

Plus now you're out of the 1st round, and that means 2nd round $$ for a quality player. (sounds like how New England built their dynatsy team)

I do like this scenario, and if we could pick up another 2nd or 3rd that would be awesome.

I would much rather have 3-2nd round picks (33,53 and 60), than pick 21, and 53