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pbatrucker
01-26-2011, 09:14 AM
IMO this was an interesting article.

Biggest need in Draft?

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Many fans have already posted their draft thoughts. Most want the Chiefs (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/kansas-city-chiefs) to select either an offensive lineman or a defensive lineman or linebacker. Those are definitely areas that could use an upgrade. However, Iím betting (conditionally) that we select a WR. Hereís why:
Our center(s) are on the light side for the position, and adept at the zone-blocking scheme. Big, physical NTís have given Wiegmann problems. However, while not an area of strength on this team, our center play has been adequate. An upgrade would certainly help. Richardson took over for OíCallaghan after an injury, and held the RT job the remainder of the season. At various times this season, most of us felt some frustration with Richardsonís play, or focus. Again, however, he played, for the most part, at a barely adequate level (as compared to Jordan Black (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2355/jordan-black) a few years ago). Our NT, Edwards, played better than last year. Shaun Smith, whom we suspected was brought in to help at NT, provided adequate play at DE. Andy Studebaker (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34438/andy-studebaker) saw significant playing time at OLB, spelling Vrabel. His play wasnít especially noteworthy, but again, he adequately manned the position. The same can be said of Belcher at ILB. What do all the afore-mentioned players have in common? They all played their positions at least adequately! We werenít beating the bushes trying to find a center, a RT, a NT, an OLB, or an ILB. The same canít be said of the #2 WR position.
When the Chiefs resigned Chambers last off season, most Chiefsí fans heaved a sigh of relief. Chambers had joined the team in the latter stages of the í09 season, and had been significantly productive, when the Chiefs needed it most. We were sure he would team with Bowe this season to give us the best 1-2 WR corps weíve have in some time. Unfortunately, apparently San Diego knew more about Chambers than we did. It is worth noting than he was inactive several games this season when healthy. The most glaring fact is that the Chiefs signed a WR (Kevin Curtis (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1310/kevin-curtis)) off the streets 4 days before their play-off game, and made him active for the game, rather than Chambers! It is worth noting that the Chiefs could not muster even adequate play from a WR not named Bowe. Those who disagree with my analysis will note that Urban was on IR all season. However, I view him as a possession receiver, the guy who comes in in 4-receiver sets. Anyway, Iíll bet Haley & Pioli wish they hadnít put Urban on IR.
WR has to be the #1 personnel priority this off-season. I really hope there is a quality WR or two on the FA list, that FA goes the way it has in the past (W/O a CBA agreement), and that we can sign said WR. However, until we have another quality WR under contract, I have to assume that WR is at the top of our draft needs.

4everchiefsfan25
01-26-2011, 09:49 AM
IMO this was an interesting article.

Biggest need in Draft?

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Many fans have already posted their draft thoughts. Most want the Chiefs (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/kansas-city-chiefs) to select either an offensive lineman or a defensive lineman or linebacker. Those are definitely areas that could use an upgrade. However, Iím betting (conditionally) that we select a WR. Hereís why:
Our center(s) are on the light side for the position, and adept at the zone-blocking scheme. Big, physical NTís have given Wiegmann problems. However, while not an area of strength on this team, our center play has been adequate. An upgrade would certainly help. Richardson took over for OíCallaghan after an injury, and held the RT job the remainder of the season. At various times this season, most of us felt some frustration with Richardsonís play, or focus. Again, however, he played, for the most part, at a barely adequate level (as compared to Jordan Black (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2355/jordan-black) a few years ago). Our NT, Edwards, played better than last year. Shaun Smith, whom we suspected was brought in to help at NT, provided adequate play at DE. Andy Studebaker (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34438/andy-studebaker) saw significant playing time at OLB, spelling Vrabel. His play wasnít especially noteworthy, but again, he adequately manned the position. The same can be said of Belcher at ILB. What do all the afore-mentioned players have in common? They all played their positions at least adequately! We werenít beating the bushes trying to find a center, a RT, a NT, an OLB, or an ILB. The same canít be said of the #2 WR position.
When the Chiefs resigned Chambers last off season, most Chiefsí fans heaved a sigh of relief. Chambers had joined the team in the latter stages of the í09 season, and had been significantly productive, when the Chiefs needed it most. We were sure he would team with Bowe this season to give us the best 1-2 WR corps weíve have in some time. Unfortunately, apparently San Diego knew more about Chambers than we did. It is worth noting than he was inactive several games this season when healthy. The most glaring fact is that the Chiefs signed a WR (Kevin Curtis (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1310/kevin-curtis)) off the streets 4 days before their play-off game, and made him active for the game, rather than Chambers! It is worth noting that the Chiefs could not muster even adequate play from a WR not named Bowe. Those who disagree with my analysis will note that Urban was on IR all season. However, I view him as a possession receiver, the guy who comes in in 4-receiver sets. Anyway, Iíll bet Haley & Pioli wish they hadnít put Urban on IR.
WR has to be the #1 personnel priority this off-season. I really hope there is a quality WR or two on the FA list, that FA goes the way it has in the past (W/O a CBA agreement), and that we can sign said WR. However, until we have another quality WR under contract, I have to assume that WR is at the top of our draft needs.
What makes me mad is that I don't want to spend a 2nd round draft pick last year and a first round this year on a WR. If I remember correctly the Chiefs drafted McCluster to be a WR so if they decide to draft a WR in the first round it makes me think that McCluster was a bad pick in the draft. What some people don't put in consideration is that there are very very few WR's that come out of college and have huge success their first year or 2. For a WR transitioning from college to the NFL it usually takes 3 years to really develop into a great WR. So us drafting another WR it will take a couple years for him to really make an impact on the field.

2010chiefs
01-26-2011, 11:47 PM
There are many good WR's right now in free agency that I checked out. More then enough to satisy the Chiefs needs in my opinion. Check them out. Of course many will re-sign however the Chiefs still have many options to choose from.

Vincent Jackson (SD)
Sidney Rice (MIN)
Santonio Holmes (NYJ)
Braylon Edwards (NYJ)
Malcolm Floyd (SD)
Steve Smith (NYG)
Terrel Owens (CIN)
Randy Moss (TEN)
Mike Williams (SEA)
James Jones (GB)
Steve Breaston (ARI)
Early Doucet (ARZ)
Brian Finneran (ATL)
Donte' Stallworth (BAL)
TJ Houshmandzadeh (BAL)
Rashied Davis (CHI)
Devin Aromashadu (CHI)
Chansi Stuckey (CLE)
Sam Hurd (DAL)
Jacoby Jones (HOU)
Mike Sims-Walker (JAC)
Kevin Curtis (MIA)
Hank Baskett (MIN)
Greg Lewis (MIN)
Lance Moore (NO)
Courtney Roby (NO)
Derek Hagan (NYG)
Darius Reynaud (NYG)
Brad Smith (NYJ)
Johnnie Lee Higgins (OAK)
Legedu Naanee (SD)
Ben Obomanu (SEA)
Laurent Robinson (STL)
Danny Amendola (STL)
Mark Clayton (STL)
Maurice Stovall (TB)
Santana Moss (WAS)

Who do you think we should go after from all these?

brdempsey69
01-27-2011, 01:59 AM
WR is a need, no question, but as far as 1st rounders go, I really believe Green and Jones will be off the board by the time the Chiefs pick at #21. I could see the Chiefs trading down and taking Torrey Smith -- great character guy, 6' 1" 205lbs 4.37 speed. Might draw unfair comparisons to Oaklands DHB, but Smith posted way better numbers at Maryland than DHB did. If they're going to take a WR with the 1st pick, try trading down first.

matthewschiefs
01-27-2011, 09:11 AM
There are many good WR's right now in free agency that I checked out. More then enough to satisy the Chiefs needs in my opinion. Check them out. Of course many will re-sign however the Chiefs still have many options to choose from.

Vincent Jackson (SD)
Sidney Rice (MIN)
Santonio Holmes (NYJ)
Braylon Edwards (NYJ)
Malcolm Floyd (SD)
Steve Smith (NYG)
Terrel Owens (CIN)
Randy Moss (TEN)
Mike Williams (SEA)
James Jones (GB)
Steve Breaston (ARI)
Early Doucet (ARZ)
Brian Finneran (ATL)
Donte' Stallworth (BAL)
TJ Houshmandzadeh (BAL)
Rashied Davis (CHI)
Devin Aromashadu (CHI)
Chansi Stuckey (CLE)
Sam Hurd (DAL)
Jacoby Jones (HOU)
Mike Sims-Walker (JAC)
Kevin Curtis (MIA)
Hank Baskett (MIN)
Greg Lewis (MIN)
Lance Moore (NO)
Courtney Roby (NO)
Derek Hagan (NYG)
Darius Reynaud (NYG)
Brad Smith (NYJ)
Johnnie Lee Higgins (OAK)
Legedu Naanee (SD)
Ben Obomanu (SEA)
Laurent Robinson (STL)
Danny Amendola (STL)
Mark Clayton (STL)
Maurice Stovall (TB)
Santana Moss (WAS)

Who do you think we should go after from all these?

The names that are in bold are they guys that I really hope that we go after and I think that they are going to at least listen to offers from other teams. I would also like to have Holmes but I think that there is no way that he is going to leave the Jets.

The two names that are underlined I don't want to even see that the Chiefs are talking two. Both of them would not be the best to have in the locker room of this young football team. They would maybe have a good game or two but they would cause problems in the locker room. They are not worth the trouble.

matthewschiefs
01-27-2011, 09:12 AM
WR is a need, no question, but as far as 1st rounders go, I really believe Green and Jones will be off the board by the time the Chiefs pick at #21. I could see the Chiefs trading down and taking Torrey Smith -- great character guy, 6' 1" 205lbs 4.37 speed. Might draw unfair comparisons to Oaklands DHB, but Smith posted way better numbers at Maryland than DHB did. If they're going to take a WR with the 1st pick, try trading down first.

I would not be upset if they went for him. If green were to somehow someway drop all the way to 21 then I think he is clearly the guy to grab. He would be a HUGE pick up.

Jrudi
01-27-2011, 05:34 PM
What makes me mad is that I don't want to spend a 2nd round draft pick last year and a first round this year on a WR. If I remember correctly the Chiefs drafted McCluster to be a WR so if they decide to draft a WR in the first round it makes me think that McCluster was a bad pick in the draft. What some people don't put in consideration is that there are very very few WR's that come out of college and have huge success their first year or 2. For a WR transitioning from college to the NFL it usually takes 3 years to really develop into a great WR. So us drafting another WR it will take a couple years for him to really make an impact on the field.

One thing I want to say about McCluster's season is that we didn't have the personnel to be able to use his talents. I feel that if we do get a legit #2WR it will open up a lot of space underneath for MC. I think the problem with how we used him this year was that we didn't have 2 good WR's to take the top off the D and create space underneath for him to work with. I think it will be difficult for him to succeed without this help. But for the record he is still Dynamic!


WR is a need, no question, but as far as 1st rounders go, I really believe Green and Jones will be off the board by the time the Chiefs pick at #21. I could see the Chiefs trading down and taking Torrey Smith -- great character guy, 6' 1" 205lbs 4.37 speed. Might draw unfair comparisons to Oaklands DHB, but Smith posted way better numbers at Maryland than DHB did. If they're going to take a WR with the 1st pick, try trading down first.

Agree that Green won't be there, Jone's it is to early to tell, but I do agree that more than likely there will not be a quality stud WR for us to be able to grab @ #21. So I could see them trading back as well, possibly picking up another 2nd or 3rd round pick. If Jones is there I say we take him, if not Trade back, possibly into the first of the 2nd round to take someone like Smith or Baldwin so it's not the "high price ticket of a 1st rnd pick".

texaschief
01-27-2011, 11:11 PM
I'll let you know after the new CBA is agreed upon, after we sign our OWN free agents and after we go through the first round of top free agent signings... until that happens, this exercise is futile.

Ptah2011
01-27-2011, 11:56 PM
IMO this was an interesting article.

Biggest need in Draft?

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Our center(s) are on the light side for the position, and adept at the zone-blocking scheme. Big, physical NTís have given Wiegmann problems. However, while not an area of strength on this team, our center play has been adequate. An upgrade would certainly help. Richardson took over for OíCallaghan after an injury, and held the RT job the remainder of the season. At various times this season, most of us felt some frustration with Richardsonís play, or focus. Again, however, he played, for the most part, at a barely adequate level (as compared to Jordan Black (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2355/jordan-black) a few years ago). Our NT, Edwards, played better than last year. Shaun Smith, whom we suspected was brought in to help at NT, provided adequate play at DE. Andy Studebaker (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34438/andy-studebaker) saw significant playing time at OLB, spelling Vrabel. His play wasnít especially noteworthy, but again, he adequately manned the position. The same can be said of Belcher at ILB. What do all the afore-mentioned players have in common? They all played their positions at least adequately! We werenít beating the bushes trying to find a center, a RT, a NT, an OLB, or an ILB. The same canít be said of the #2 WR position.
When the Chiefs resigned Chambers last off season, most Chiefsí fans heaved a sigh of relief. Chambers had joined the team in the latter stages of the í09 season, and had been significantly productive, when the Chiefs needed it most. We were sure he would team with Bowe this season to give us the best 1-2 WR corps weíve have in some time. Unfortunately, apparently San Diego knew more about Chambers than we did. It is worth noting than he was inactive several games this season when healthy. The most glaring fact is that the Chiefs signed a WR (Kevin Curtis (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1310/kevin-curtis)) off the streets 4 days before their play-off game, and made him active for the game, rather than Chambers! It is worth noting that the Chiefs could not muster even adequate play from a WR not named Bowe. Those who disagree with my analysis will note that Urban was on IR all season. However, I view him as a possession receiver, the guy who comes in in 4-receiver sets. Anyway, Iíll bet Haley & Pioli wish they hadnít put Urban on IR.
WR has to be the #1 personnel priority this off-season. I really hope there is a quality WR or two on the FA list, that FA goes the way it has in the past (W/O a CBA agreement), and that we can sign said WR. However, until we have another quality WR under contract, I have to assume that WR is at the top of our draft needs.

People mostly want a NT or an OT with the first pick I say no ! Most people don't know , but good offensive linemen can be had in later rounds 3-7 . We need another wideout efficient enough to take the heat off Bowe . Someone who can get 800-1000 yards , 60-90 catches and maybe 5-10 TD's consistently for a few years . :yahoo: Go Chiefs !

brdempsey69
01-28-2011, 12:47 AM
People mostly want a NT or an OT with the first pick I say no ! Most people don't know , but good offensive linemen can be had in later rounds 3-7 . We need another wideout efficient enough to take the heat off Bowe . Someone who can get 800-1000 yards , 60-90 catches and maybe 5-10 TD's consistently for a few years . :yahoo: Go Chiefs !

Centers and Guards, yes. But stellar OT's that can pass-block against the league's better pass rushers seldom ever come from those rounds, especially Left Tackles.

And there's not likely going to be a WR worth taking at #21 anyway. The top 2 will likely be off the board.

Ryfo18
01-28-2011, 01:53 AM
Centers and Guards, yes. But stellar OT's that can pass-block against the league's better pass rushers seldom ever come from those rounds, especially Left Tackles.

And there's not likely going to be a WR worth taking at #21 anyway. The top 2 will likely be off the board.

Keep your eye on Jonathan Baldwin...He's a fringe 1st/2nd rounder right now and could climb after the combine. I honestly think he's almost a better fit for the Chiefs than Green or Jones. Bowe is a solid possession receiver, Baldwin might be just the deep threat the Chiefs need to ensure Bowe isn't drawing double coverage all game.

brdempsey69
01-28-2011, 02:00 AM
Keep your eye on Jonathan Baldwin...He's a fringe 1st/2nd rounder right now and could climb after the combine. I honestly think he's almost a better fit for the Chiefs than Green or Jones. Bowe is a solid possession receiver, Baldwin might be just the deep threat the Chiefs need to ensure Bowe isn't drawing double coverage all game.

I've heard there may be character concerns regarding Baldwin. Not sure of the sources, so it may be just rumor control.

Besides, a stud O-Lineman is more likely to come in and make an impact in the 1st year than a WR is, and there are some good receivers that can be had in rounds 2 through 5 anyway.

Jrudi
01-28-2011, 01:42 PM
I'll let you know after the new CBA is agreed upon, after we sign our OWN free agents and after we go through the first round of top free agent signings... until that happens, this exercise is futile.

Agreed, it's really early to be guessing for any off season, not to mention this off season with all that is going on. All in all it's still fun to debate it so I'm sure we will continue to until after the draft, and then we will debate on weather or not we thought who we got was good enough or who we should have got. haha it will never end!


People mostly want a NT or an OT with the first pick I say no ! Most people don't know , but good offensive linemen can be had in later rounds 3-7 . We need another wideout efficient enough to take the heat off Bowe . Someone who can get 800-1000 yards , 60-90 catches and maybe 5-10 TD's consistently for a few years . :yahoo: Go Chiefs !

I hear this all the time about how you can/can't find quality players within a specific position group later in the draft. For everyone that says this..... Seriously, wake up! I bet you can look at every position group and find successful players that were late round, or drafted players. I don't think anyone can label a specific group that has more success with late round picks, there will always be those players who succeed even when drafted late, and there will always be 1st round busts as well. For example, Marques Colston was a late round WR that worked out, Brian Waters was un-drafted, James Harrison went un-drafted, Tom Brady was a 6th round pick, Pries Holmes was un-drafted, Antonio Gates was un-drafted... I just listed a number of different position groups that have a successful late round player off the top of my head.

So all of this "you can/can't find good talent at the ___ position late in the draft" is a bunch of BS. It's not an exact science, that is why you will always have those sleepers.


Keep your eye on Jonathan Baldwin...He's a fringe 1st/2nd rounder right now and could climb after the combine. I honestly think he's almost a better fit for the Chiefs than Green or Jones. Bowe is a solid possession receiver, Baldwin might be just the deep threat the Chiefs need to ensure Bowe isn't drawing double coverage all game.

Just wondering....Thought I heard Baldwin was more of a big possession receiver rather than a speedster? I wouldn't mind having him either way, and could see us trading back and taking him.

Ryfo18
01-28-2011, 02:00 PM
Just wondering....Thought I heard Baldwin was more of a big possession receiver rather than a speedster? I wouldn't mind having him either way, and could see us trading back and taking him.

He averaged right around 18ypc in college, which IMO puts him in that "deep threat" category. I'm pretty sure that's what he's known as. I'll be watching him close at the combine to see how he tests out in the 40.

brdempsey69
01-28-2011, 02:17 PM
He averaged right around 18ypc in college, which IMO puts him in that "deep threat" category. I'm pretty sure that's what he's known as. I'll be watching him close at the combine to see how he tests out in the 40.

I like Baldwin's size, for sure. He should be able to overpower just about any DB in the NFL.

Ryfo18
01-28-2011, 02:20 PM
I like Baldwin's size, for sure. He should be able to overpower just about any DB in the NFL.

Which is 6'5", 230 lbs for those scoring at home...Calvin Johnsonesque if you look at just their size!

brdempsey69
01-28-2011, 03:10 PM
Which is 6'5", 230 lbs for those scoring at home...Calvin Johnsonesque if you look at just their size!

But, I also like Torrey Smith's 4.37 speed and his size at 6' 1" 205 isn't bad. If they don't take the OT at #21 ( Carimi or Castonzo ), then try trade down & take best WR available.

Here is a draft day scenario that I wouldn't mind seeing happen that I really believe is worthy of consideration, even though it's far-fetched, it could happen, so pay strict attention and tell me what you think:

The NE Pats have picks #17 and #28 and #33, so let's say for the moment that when it comes the Chiefs turn at #21 and maybe there is a player on the board that the Pats really covet and want to come up to #21 to take and offer picks #28 and #33 to the Chiefs in exchange for #21. Should the Chiefs take that offer? Absolutely, positively, YES !! I don't think it'll happen, but if I'm Pioli, that's going to be my asking price from the Pats if they want to trade up to #21.

Ryfo18
01-28-2011, 03:34 PM
But, I also like Torrey Smith's 4.37 speed and his size at 6' 1" 205 isn't bad. If they don't take the OT at #21 ( Carimi or Castonzo ), then try trade down & take best WR available.

Here is a draft day scenario that I wouldn't mind seeing happen that I really believe is worthy of consideration, even though it's far-fetched, it could happen, so pay strict attention and tell me what you think:

The NE Pats have picks #17 and #28 and #33, so let's say for the moment that when it comes the Chiefs turn at #21 and maybe there is a player on the board that the Pats really covet and want to come up to #21 to take and offer picks #28 and #33 to the Chiefs in exchange for #21. Should the Chiefs take that offer? Absolutely, positively, YES !! I don't think it'll happen, but if I'm Pioli, that's going to be my asking price from the Pats if they want to trade up to #21.

That would be awesome! I think they Pats would be absolutely fools to do that though. Much more realistic would be them trading pick 76 (from Minnesota in the Randy Moss deal) and pick 28 to move up to 21. Just going off the drat pick value chart:

picks 28+33 = 1240
Pick 21 = 800

Picks 28+76 = 870

brdempsey69
01-28-2011, 03:43 PM
That would be awesome! I think they Pats would be absolutely fools to do that though. Much more realistic would be them trading pick 76 (from Minnesota in the Randy Moss deal) and pick 28 to move up to 21. Just going off the drat pick value chart:

picks 28+33 = 1240
Pick 21 = 800

Picks 28+76 = 870

That is a more realistic scenario & the Pats aren't fools which is why I labeled the scenario that I painted "far-fetched".

Ryfo18
01-28-2011, 03:49 PM
That is a more realistic scenario & the Pats aren't fools which is why I labeled the scenario that I painted "far-fetched".

Yep, I caught that part. Hey, we can hope, for the better of the Chiefs franchise. :chiefs:

brdempsey69
01-28-2011, 04:03 PM
Yep, I caught that part. Hey, we can hope, for the better of the Chiefs franchise. :chiefs:

Certainly, but another scenario could have the Chiefs swapping #21 and #86 ( 3rd round ) for Pats #28 and #33 -- that's more realistic, if there's a player on the board that the Pats want to come up and try and take at #21 and it not a bad deal at all for either side.

Ryfo18
01-28-2011, 04:13 PM
Certainly, but another scenario could have the Chiefs swapping #21 and #86 ( 3rd round ) for Pats #28 and #33 -- that's more realistic, if there's a player on the board that the Pats want to come up and try and take at #21 and it not a bad deal at all for either side.

Yeah I'm with you there, that makes a lot more sense. One of my good Patriot friends suggests they may go after Ingram and Watt. They may have to move up to 21 to get a guy like Watt. It's definitely forseeable.

brdempsey69
01-28-2011, 04:23 PM
Yeah I'm with you there, that makes a lot more sense. One of my good Patriot friends suggests they may go after Ingram and Watt. They may have to move up to 21 to get a guy like Watt. It's definitely forseeable.

I can see the Pats wanting a pass-rusher. They might get Watt at #17, if Ingram is off the board ( possibly #15 to Miami ) & let's say for the moment an OT is there at #21 that the Pats want. Maybe, just maybe the trade does happen. Who should the Chiefs take if they were to land #28 and #33? My choices would be WR Torrey Smith and C Stephen Wisniewski -- two major need areas addressed on the Offense and it could free them up to go after as many Defensive players as they want the rest of the way, with maybe an OT like Barksdale maybe falling into the 4th or 5th ( he'd be good value in those rounds ).

Jrudi
01-28-2011, 05:14 PM
But, I also like Torrey Smith's 4.37 speed and his size at 6' 1" 205 isn't bad. If they don't take the OT at #21 ( Carimi or Castonzo ), then try trade down & take best WR available.

Here is a draft day scenario that I wouldn't mind seeing happen that I really believe is worthy of consideration, even though it's far-fetched, it could happen, so pay strict attention and tell me what you think:

The NE Pats have picks #17 and #28 and #33, so let's say for the moment that when it comes the Chiefs turn at #21 and maybe there is a player on the board that the Pats really covet and want to come up to #21 to take and offer picks #28 and #33 to the Chiefs in exchange for #21. Should the Chiefs take that offer? Absolutely, positively, YES !! I don't think it'll happen, but if I'm Pioli, that's going to be my asking price from the Pats if they want to trade up to #21.

Haha yeah that is highly unlikely. Pat's don't usually trade up they trade back. It would be cool but it won't happen.

Just to give an idea of how dumb that would be of the Pats...take into consideration the Point system of the draft that GM's and Coaches look at when trading on draft day to ensure that the trade is fairly even.

Our pick at #21 is set at 800 points
#28 is set at 660
and #33 is set at 580

so if you look at the numbers it would be Pats Giving 1240 pts to receive from us a pick worth 800pts. That's a 460pt point difference, or in draft terms that would be giving away the #46 overall pick (2nd rnd pick 14) for absolutely nothing in return. Not a smart move Billy Belechick!

Sorry but I don't think that would happen. We can dream though can't we?

Maybe we trade back to pick #33 (580pts) and pick up the 3rd rnd they got for moss (pick 74, 220pts) That matches our 800pts for pick 21? wouldn't mind that scenario. That would give us picks #33, 53, 74, and 85. so essentially 4 in the top 100 or 2 2nd's and 2 3rd's. if we toss in like our 4th and one of our conditionals might be able to pry away their other 2nd rnd pick #60.... I'm dreaming again sorry haha.

Jrudi
01-28-2011, 05:16 PM
That would be awesome! I think they Pats would be absolutely fools to do that though. Much more realistic would be them trading pick 76 (from Minnesota in the Randy Moss deal) and pick 28 to move up to 21. Just going off the drat pick value chart:

picks 28+33 = 1240
Pick 21 = 800

Picks 28+76 = 870

Sorry didn't see that you had done this already before I posted my point example haha.

Ryfo18
01-28-2011, 05:17 PM
Haha yeah that is highly unlikely. Pat's don't usually trade up they trade back. It would be cool but it won't happen.

Just to give an idea of how dumb that would be of the Pats...take into consideration the Point system of the draft that GM's and Coaches look at when trading on draft day to ensure that the trade is fairly even.

Our pick at #21 is set at 800 points
#28 is set at 660
and #33 is set at 580

so if you look at the numbers it would be Pats Giving 1240 pts to receive from us a pick worth 800pts. That's a 460pt point difference, or in draft terms that would be giving away the #46 overall pick (2nd rnd pick 14) for absolutely nothing in return. Not a smart move Billy Belechick!

Sorry but I don't think that would happen. We can dream though can't we?

Maybe we trade back to pick #33 (580pts) and pick up the 3rd rnd they got for moss (pick 74, 220pts) That matches our 800pts for pick 21? wouldn't mind that scenario. That would give us picks #33, 53, 74, and 85. so essentially 4 in the top 100 or 2 2nd's and 2 3rd's. if we toss in like our 4th and one of our conditionals might be able to pry away their other 2nd rnd pick #60.... I'm dreaming again sorry haha.

Haha, you must have missed my post. :punk:


That would be awesome! I think they Pats would be absolutely fools to do that though. Much more realistic would be them trading pick 76 (from Minnesota in the Randy Moss deal) and pick 28 to move up to 21. Just going off the drat pick value chart:

picks 28+33 = 1240
Pick 21 = 800

Picks 28+76 = 870

I think you have to expect the team that is trading to have to pay some kind of "premium" to trade up since they are the ones who obviously want a guy. 870 for 800 doesn't seem bad in my opinion.

Ryfo18
01-28-2011, 05:22 PM
Sorry didn't see that you had done this already before I posted my point example haha.

Ha, we were posting at the same time!

N TX Dave
01-28-2011, 05:25 PM
What makes me mad is that I don't want to spend a 2nd round draft pick last year and a first round this year on a WR. If I remember correctly the Chiefs drafted McCluster to be a WR so if they decide to draft a WR in the first round it makes me think that McCluster was a bad pick in the draft. What some people don't put in consideration is that there are very very few WR's that come out of college and have huge success their first year or 2. For a WR transitioning from college to the NFL it usually takes 3 years to really develop into a great WR. So us drafting another WR it will take a couple years for him to really make an impact on the field.

According to your statement "What some people don't put in consideration is that there are very very few WR's that come out of college and have huge success their first year or 2." well this was McCluster's 1st year and as you said not many WR do anything their first couple of years.

Ryfo18
01-28-2011, 05:28 PM
According to your statement "What some people don't put in consideration is that there are very very few WR's that come out of college and have huge success their first year or 2." well this was McCluster's 1st year and as you said not many WR do anything their first couple of years.

In my opinion, McCluster is not a guy that is going to be split out wide. He's too small. I think he can be effective as a slot WR b/c of his speed and agility, but a lot of times this year it was apparent that he struggles because of his size. I think he is more of a Dante Hall type guy, but hopefully he'll do more on offense than Dante ever did.

Jrudi
01-28-2011, 05:32 PM
If we could land #28 and #33, in some crazy awsome trade!

Depending on who is available...

I would say at #28 Akeem Ayers, Gabe Camiri, Julio Jones

at #33 (depending on who we took at 28) Johnathan Baldwin, Torey Smith, or Stephen Paea (got hurt so his stock dropped)

brdempsey69
01-30-2011, 04:15 AM
Regarding the Senior Bowl game. Carimi did not play, Solder had a bad game, and Castonzo was playing out of position for most of the game -- never had the chance to settle into one position -- can't really put much stock into this game regarding him, Derek Sherrod was terrific & owned Cameron Jordan all game long.

Do consider the Chiefs picked 3 players from last years Senior Bowl, and all 3 were on the losing side in that game. So it may be that more stock is put into the practices than the actual game.

Jrudi
01-30-2011, 10:21 AM
In my opinion, McCluster is not a guy that is going to be split out wide. He's too small. I think he can be effective as a slot WR b/c of his speed and agility, but a lot of times this year it was apparent that he struggles because of his size. I think he is more of a Dante Hall type guy, but hopefully he'll do more on offense than Dante ever did.

Agree. Hopefully he does amount to more than Date Hall did.

Not sure if it was this thread, but I posted previously that I don't believe the Chiefs had the proper personnel to be able to use McCluster properly. I think if the land a legit #WR2 that can help take the top off the D, it should open up some space underneath for him to work with. I don't believe he will be successfull man on man in the NFL he needs some screens and space to use his strengths.

Ryfo18
01-30-2011, 10:23 AM
Regarding the Senior Bowl game. Carimi did not play, Solder had a bad game, and Castonzo was playing out of position for most of the game -- never had the chance to settle into one position -- can't really put much stock into this game regarding him, Derek Sherrod was terrific & owned Cameron Jordan all game long.

Do consider the Chiefs picked 3 players from last years Senior Bowl, and all 3 were on the losing side in that game. So it may be that more stock is put into the practices than the actual game.

This is exactly what I've heard from some scouts.

Regardless, I think you're right. I look at Atlanta's Dmitroff and I think they were saying like all but 1 of his draft picks have been seniors since he's been with Atlanta. I'm trying to remember now, but I'm not sure that's 100% right. Either way, they were saying he picks a ton of players that were seniors.

Anyway, my point is that he and Pioli share a very similar philosophy when it comes to building a team, so I agree that a lot of these guys on the senior bowl roster will be targeted by Pioli.

Jrudi
01-30-2011, 10:38 AM
This is exactly what I've heard from some scouts.

Regardless, I think you're right. I look at Atlanta's Dmitroff and I think they were saying like all but 1 of his draft picks have been seniors since he's been with Atlanta. I'm trying to remember now, but I'm not sure that's 100% right. Either way, they were saying he picks a ton of players that were seniors.

Anyway, my point is that he and Pioli share a very similar philosophy when it comes to building a team, so I agree that a lot of these guys on the senior bowl roster will be targeted by Pioli.

I think one reason Pioli likes seniors is for the experience. If you think back to last year... I think I read somewhere that Haley or Pioli said that two things that most of our draft picks had in common was that they had at least 3 years of starting experience, and that they were all team captains.

I think maybe Sheffield was the only one that wasn't a team captain?? but I do think he had 3 yrs of starting experience.

Possibly helps the transition to the NFL and makes it easier to contribute from the start.

brdempsey69
01-30-2011, 11:09 AM
There will be some guys drafted by the Chiefs that played in this years Senior Bowl, for sure. Not sure about the 1st round, but you can bet some mid rounders will be drafted from this game.

slc chief
01-30-2011, 11:25 AM
the receiver from miami looked impressive in the senior bowl

brdempsey69
01-30-2011, 11:46 AM
They say the best Center on the field was Brandon Fusco, a guy from Slippery Rock college in Pa. just north of Pittsburgh ( I had a high school teacher that graduated from there ). I see potential 5th round steal there. 6' 4" 302 lbs. The Chiefs need a Center for sure, but I'm not wanting to spend a 1st round pick on one.

Chiefster
01-31-2011, 09:42 AM
According to CBSSports.com

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/01/78.jpg

chief31
01-31-2011, 06:46 PM
According to CBSSports.com

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/01/78.jpg

I think that they are nuts!:D

Chiefster
01-31-2011, 08:55 PM
I think that they are nuts!:D

Probably so; but then I have no real idea what our most glaring needs are, so I'll post the opinion of others so they look stupid and not me. :D

chief31
01-31-2011, 09:41 PM
Probably so; but then I have no real idea what our most glaring needs are, so I'll post the opinion of others so they look stupid and not me. :D

You should post the opinions of sane people. :lol:

Chiefster
02-03-2011, 12:21 PM
You should post the opinions of sane people. :lol:

:lol::lol::lol:

I just figured that someone in CBS Sports was sane.