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jacko58
02-28-2011, 08:08 PM
i think its time for him to show why hes payed or drop himi didnt like the pick and wonder why he gets paid so much to sit on the bench we need him to play like seymoure i still love glen dorsey yes we need a nt and if jackson cant pick it up then our line is weak

Xanathol
02-28-2011, 09:26 PM
Seymour is a 4-3 DE. Jackson is in a 3-4. 3-4 DEs are about occupying blockers, then tackles - stats really are icing more than the meat of their production. If you expect Seymour numbers out of a 3-4 DE, you need to reassess your expectations.

jacko58
02-28-2011, 09:34 PM
my expectations are for him to be on the field atleast cant take up blockers from the bench

matthewschiefs
02-28-2011, 09:44 PM
This is going to be a big year for Tyson it's his 3rd season that's the year that if your going to get it and be a good NFL player you start to make that jump. I hope to see it from Tyson.

70 chiefsfan70
02-28-2011, 09:47 PM
I didn't like the Jackson pick either, but we have him and I'm sure hes staying till his contract is up.

I do expect him to step it up this coming season, usually it takes 25 to 30 games for Defensive lineman (especially for 3-4 defenses) to get it. Sure Jackson is going into his third season and we all expected more from him, but keep in mind he missed a bunch of games and played hurt in some as well.

I expect lots of good stuff from Jackson this coming season.

edited: If my memory is correct people were asking for Dorseys head untill game 31 and 32.

Hayvern
02-28-2011, 10:04 PM
I heard the same things out of people about Dorsey. This year he showed us a few things. You can still see he has some improvement room, but he is getting it now.

I expect the same from Jackson.

slc chief
02-28-2011, 10:05 PM
i agree if he does not show signs of becoming a solid nfl player this year. get rid of him

Hayvern
02-28-2011, 10:07 PM
The other thing, he was injured in that first game and I don't think he ever got his legs back. He was playing outstanding in that first game.

4everchiefsfan25
03-01-2011, 03:14 PM
The other thing, he was injured in that first game and I don't think he ever got his legs back. He was playing outstanding in that first game.
I don't know if you can say he played outstanding he played for only like a half before he got hurt he didnt even play a full game. After that he lost his job to Shawn Smith, from what I have heard is that Tyson doesn't have the mean streak that is needed to play defense in the NFL and that he just isnt all that motivated.

DC_Chiefsfan
03-01-2011, 09:43 PM
He's still better than vernon gholston!

DMN
03-02-2011, 03:06 PM
Seymour is a 4-3 DE. Jackson is in a 3-4. 3-4 DEs are about occupying blockers, then tackles - stats really are icing more than the meat of their production. If you expect Seymour numbers out of a 3-4 DE, you need to reassess your expectations.

you put icing on your meat?!?! I like your style!

SAPHOJUNKIE
03-02-2011, 06:09 PM
Seymour is a 4-3 DE. Jackson is in a 3-4. 3-4 DEs are about occupying blockers, then tackles - stats really are icing more than the meat of their production. If you expect Seymour numbers out of a 3-4 DE, you need to reassess your expectations.

Uh...Richard Seymour was a 3-4 defensive end his entire NFL career until landing in Oakland.

Tyson Jackson isn't in the mold of a Richard Seymour. Pioli specifically addressed this, as Seymour was the poster child for the New England "draft your front 3 first" mentality.

Pioli compared him more to Russell Maryland, not Seymour. Not a penetrating DE who makes flashy plays.

Seymour still got numerous sacks from the 5 technique in New England.

Personally, I think Tyson Jackson is going to do really, really well this year. Call me crazy, but I honestly believe we're coming out of next season completely confident in our defensive ends.

Nose tackle remains a question mark...

Xanathol
03-02-2011, 09:31 PM
Uh...Richard Seymour was a 3-4 defensive end his entire NFL career until landing in Oakland.Not true. NE ran a 4-3 his first couple of seasons where he played DT, then NE switched to a hybrid type of 3-4, where the D-line still played a penetrating style, not 2-gap technique a traditional 3-4 plays ( like KC and what Tyson & Dorsey are being asked to do ).


you put icing on your meat?!?! I like your style!
That's just how I roll! :drunkhb:

DMN
03-03-2011, 11:37 AM
This is his third year and I believe Crennel will bring the best out of him. Besides I can have to believe we will address the NT and LOLB situations and if that happens it will greatly help his cause.

On that note I think Studebaker and Gilberry will be big contributors this year....

Jrudi
03-03-2011, 01:39 PM
Us NFL fans are too quick to judge.

Let's give him a year. Even in a regular career (not in the NFL) it takes about 3 years to get to the top of your game.

I mean yeah year 1 your eager to learn, year 2 you think you know a lot, but find out there is more to learn, and year 3 your pretty comfortable and begin to really excel at what you do.

I think he will be Fine, Everyone was aiming at DJ's head two seasons ago and look at what he did this year... Same with Tamba, He really wasn't a dominant player we wanted him to be until this year. We need to give our young guys time, we are a young team, and when everyone develops (within the next year or so, we should be pretty dang good)

josh1971
03-03-2011, 10:14 PM
Us NFL fans are too quick to judge.

Let's give him a year. Even in a regular career (not in the NFL) it takes about 3 years to get to the top of your game.

I mean yeah year 1 your eager to learn, year 2 you think you know a lot, but find out there is more to learn, and year 3 your pretty comfortable and begin to really excel at what you do.

I think he will be Fine, Everyone was aiming at DJ's head two seasons ago and look at what he did this year... Same with Tamba, He really wasn't a dominant player we wanted him to be until this year. We need to give our young guys time, we are a young team, and when everyone develops (within the next year or so, we should be pretty dang good)


I agree with this- there were numerous posts calling to get rid of DJ, Dorsey, Hali, and many others over time.

Let's see how his third season goes before we scrap heap the guy.

Jrudi
03-04-2011, 11:24 AM
I agree with this- there were numerous posts calling to get rid of DJ, Dorsey, Hali, and many others over time.

Let's see how his third season goes before we scrap heap the guy.

Seriously it's true. NFL fans have this idea that just because someone is a 1st round pick they should be producing at an all-pro level within a year, when in reality, it takes a few years.

Some positions get highlighted more than others so it sounds like they are producing better than other picks (QB's, RB's, WR's)

Look at Clay Mathews. He was OK his first year or two, and he blew up this season. Guess what year it was for him? 3rd. Dwayne Bowe was the same for us, Chiefs fans hated him his first few seasons, now we can't stop bragging about how he led the AFC in TD Rec.'s. Jamaal Charles wasn't criticized because he was a 3rd rounder, but he didn't do jack until last year (His 3rd season). I've heard criticism of Berry as well, and he played well for a rookie, I'm thinking that after a few seasons he will be among the talks of Reed and Polamalu.

I just ask that we be realistic and reasonable when criticizing our 1st round picks. Lets give-em time...