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Chiefster
05-02-2011, 01:58 AM
New Details on Mission that Killed Bin Laden - Fox News Video - FoxNews.com (http://video.foxnews.com/v/4671825/new-details-on-mission-that-killed-bin-laden/)

tornadospotter
05-02-2011, 02:21 AM
Just as glad as I am that this A-hole is done! Just all of you, be aware of a backlash of terrorist attacks or tempts of. So be aware and take care. I do fear we will be attack somehow and somewhere in response.

Chiefster
05-02-2011, 02:25 AM
Fore sure TS. His organization will continue under new leadership; he had his lieutenant waiting in the wings.

Canada
05-02-2011, 08:32 AM
Good thing you guys all have guns!!

honda522
05-02-2011, 10:59 AM
I worry now alittle that there will be some type of retaliation..did we really have to kill him? Should have taken him alive.

chiefnut
05-02-2011, 12:18 PM
Ding Dong Bin Ladens Dead, Which Bin Laden, Osama Bin Laden, Ding Dong Osama Bin Ladens Dead!

matthewschiefs
05-02-2011, 01:28 PM
Bye Bye Dbag

kcchiefs28
05-02-2011, 01:32 PM
It wouldnt of been possible to take him alive from what I've heard, since they were in a gunfight and that's when they killed him.

chiefnut
05-02-2011, 01:49 PM
It wouldnt of been possible to take him alive from what I've heard, since they were in a gunfight and that's when they killed him.

you don't want him alive, he would become a martyr and it would take years to prosecute him thru our legal system. this is best and the burial at sea is genius.....no monument or temple can be built at his grave, no throngs of radical extremist mourning at his grave site, now he swims w/the fishes....location unknown, and the thought of sharks biting of pieces of him seems somewhat fitting.:mooning:

chief31
05-02-2011, 09:22 PM
you don't want him alive, he would become a martyr and it would take years to prosecute him thru our legal system. this is best and the burial at sea is genius.....no monument or temple can be built at his grave, no throngs of radical extremist mourning at his grave site, now he swims w/the fishes....location unknown, and the thought of sharks biting of pieces of him seems somewhat fitting.:mooning:

This.

I think all has gone as it should have. The photos will have to be released. But it is a great day for The USA.

matthewschiefs
05-02-2011, 11:41 PM
you don't want him alive, he would become a martyr and it would take years to prosecute him thru our legal system. this is best and the burial at sea is genius.....no monument or temple can be built at his grave, no throngs of radical extremist mourning at his grave site, now he swims w/the fishes....location unknown, and the thought of sharks biting of pieces of him seems somewhat fitting.:mooning:

Well said a burial and a gravesite is far to good for him.

Hayvern
05-03-2011, 10:01 AM
This.

I think all has gone as it should have. The photos will have to be released. But it is a great day for The USA.

Yeah, I think the standing order, even from back when BUsh was President that he was not to be taken alive. No one would ever admit that except the operatives in the field. There was one on 60 minutes a few years ago that was talking about that though and he said that no one wanted him alive.

tornadospotter
05-03-2011, 09:09 PM
you don't want him alive, he would become a martyr and it would take years to prosecute him thru our legal system. this is best and the burial at sea is genius.....no monument or temple can be built at his grave, no throngs of radical extremist mourning at his grave site, now he swims w/the fishes....location unknown, and the thought of sharks biting of pieces of him seems somewhat fitting.:mooning:
They are supposedly going to release photos or video of the burial at sea. He was given a proper burial, body placed in a weighted bag. I kinda like to think some one cut a slit in the bag, and the weights used where shark bait.
I know I am bad. F that, should have strung his body upside down for all to see. Did Danial Pearl get a proper burial after they cut his head off?

Canada
05-04-2011, 08:28 AM
They are supposedly going to release photos or video of the burial at sea. He was given a proper burial, body placed in a weighted bag. I kinda like to think some one cut a slit in the bag, and the weights used where shark bait.
I know I am bad. F that, should have strung his body upside down for all to see. Did Danial Pearl get a proper burial after they cut his head off?Isnt the respect for human life what makes us different than him?

tornadospotter
05-04-2011, 09:18 PM
Isnt the respect for human life what makes us different than him?
Yes it is, and I would have been upset also about something like that happening, but in my defense, I am just venting on a most hated person in my life time. By his hand and influence, thousands of Innocent people have died. By his actions, influence, and decisions, hundred of thousands lives have been changed, in the USA alone. So we may have given a respectful burial, but I am pretty damm sure we did not mean it as respect for him, just for the faith that he claimed be of.

Connie Jo
05-05-2011, 02:19 AM
New info released by the White House & President Obama states Bin Laden was unarmed, although I'm fairly certain some with him in his camp were armed of course. I remember reading once that Laden intentionally remained unarmed believing he wouldn't be executed by American Military. Guess he thought our guys wouldn't shoot him unarmed...wrong!!

Chiefster
05-06-2011, 10:52 PM
My question is this. How does Pakistan not know that he wasn't living in that huge compound 180 yards from their military academy, or whatever they call it.

chiefnut
05-07-2011, 12:04 AM
Isnt the respect for human life what makes us different than him?

he was not human so we need not have any respect for him. we ARE better than him, we do not target innocent civilians because we are to cowardly to take on the military. if he was excecuted, so be it! ask all the sons, daughters. brothers, sisters, mothers, and fathers of the thousands he murdered if they wanted him taken alive so that he could spend ten years in our legal system costing us millions of $ while throngs of his fanatic followers have pilgrimages to have him set free and then martyr him when and if he is excecuted. No a bullet in the head and dump his rotting worthless carcas in the sea seems a much better fate. in fact i.m hopping they dumped some chum in the water where they buried him. i heard some idiot radio talk show host saying we violated his rights, what CRAP, he forfeitted his rights on 9-11. would he feel better if a sniper took him out at 2,000yds or if we dropped a bomb on the complex blowing into dust, cause that was always the plan.

sorry, i got carried away

Canada
05-07-2011, 12:46 AM
he was not human so we need not have any respect for him. we ARE better than him, we do not target innocent civilians because we are to cowardly to take on the military. if he was excecuted, so be it! ask all the sons, daughters. brothers, sisters, mothers, and fathers of the thousands he murdered if they wanted him taken alive so that he could spend ten years in our legal system costing us millions of $ while throngs of his fanatic followers have pilgrimages to have him set free and then martyr him when and if he is excecuted. No a bullet in the head and dump his rotting worthless carcas in the sea seems a much better fate. in fact i.m hopping they dumped some chum in the water where they buried him. i heard some idiot radio talk show host saying we violated his rights, what CRAP, he forfeitted his rights on 9-11. would he feel better if a sniper took him out at 2,000yds or if we dropped a bomb on the complex blowing into dust, cause that was always the plan.

sorry, i got carried awayI totally understand your reaction, but if everyone starts to feel that way about "bad guys" then we will eventually become what we hate. Sure its easy to say this about Bin Laden, but where do you draw the line? Couldn't the same thing be said of a murderer? I agree that justice was served, but personally I would prefer to be a better person. While I dont really care about how he was killed (sniper, bomb etc...) I think that the US did the right thing by respecting the Muslim faith and burying him the way they did. If too many people start to think "an eye for an eye" then we become the same thing that we hate.

Hayvern
05-07-2011, 04:23 AM
I would find it surprising if the SEAL team that went in there did not have a kill order. There is no way Bin Laden would have ever been taken alive, no way. The US did not want the headache of ACLU lawyers and tribunals and all that crap.

An old humorous wanted poster might read.

Wanted:
Osama Bin Laden
$5,000 alive
$25,000,000 Dead

That is the terrible dirty secret. None of us would like to admit that we would want our Government targeting individuals for assassination, but we are more than willing to look the other way when it comes to these animals.

Personally, I find that a little disturbing, as Canada said, where do you draw the line? When does it start to become OK to assassinate American citizens, and when does that start. Would we have been alright with the Police that caught Timothy McVie had shot him in the head?

Something we should all be thinking about.

chiefnut
05-07-2011, 11:06 AM
I totally understand your reaction, but if everyone starts to feel that way about "bad guys" then we will eventually become what we hate. Sure its easy to say this about Bin Laden, but where do you draw the line? Couldn't the same thing be said of a murderer? I agree that justice was served, but personally I would prefer to be a better person. While I dont really care about how he was killed (sniper, bomb etc...) I think that the US did the right thing by respecting the Muslim faith and burying him the way they did. If too many people start to think "an eye for an eye" then we become the same thing that we hate.


I think we have become to politically correct. maybe an eye for an eye as a hard and fast rule is to extreme but wasting valuable time and resources on mass murderers is just wrong. we continually bog down our judicial system with frivolous law suits because we have overcompensated to protect individual rights. Americans, and yes Canadians are not perfect and expecting us to be perfect as well as trying to show the rest of the world we are perfect is just counter productive. sometimes doing the right thing is not turning the other cheek nor litigating to protect the rights of a specific individual [in this case binladen] but putting a bullet in his head is. as to where to draw the line, all cases are different and reliant upon future moralistic debates. ethics and morals differ from generation to generation and culture to culture. and we can debate this odd infinitum :efpge:but some people because of their actions just don't deserve to live, bin laden and hitler come to mind!

Drunker Hillbilly
05-07-2011, 12:19 PM
I totally understand your reaction, but if everyone starts to feel that way about "bad guys" then we will eventually become what we hate. Sure its easy to say this about Bin Laden, but where do you draw the line? Couldn't the same thing be said of a murderer? I agree that justice was served, but personally I would prefer to be a better person. While I dont really care about how he was killed (sniper, bomb etc...) I think that the US did the right thing by respecting the Muslim faith and burying him the way they did. If too many people start to think "an eye for an eye" then we become the same thing that we hate.
Surely your not comparing Usama Bin Laden to the common murderer. While both are scum, it is not close to the same. You draw the line at an individual who kills one person in the heat of the moment and a radical that strategizes and plots out schemes to kill thousands and thousands of people simply because of his hatred for an entire country and their way of life. This guy got off to easily with a bullet to the head IMO and yes, I am in favor of "enhanced interrogation".

Canada
05-07-2011, 01:11 PM
Surely your not comparing Usama Bin Laden to the common murderer. While both are scum, it is not close to the same. You draw the line at an individual who kills one person in the heat of the moment and a radical that strategizes and plots out schemes to kill thousands and thousands of people simply because of his hatred for an entire country and their way of life. This guy got off to easily with a bullet to the head IMO and yes, I am in favor of "enhanced interrogation".What about the serial killer then? Hoe about a rapist? Repeat offender child molestor? You make it seem as though its a clean cut issue, but its not. You think there are not other "radical" from other countries plotting war against the US? Are you gonna just go out and shoot them all in the head? Sounds a lot to me like you are condoning the practices.

Please do not misconstrue what I am saying. Im glad Bin Laden is dead and I was defending the position that the US buried him at seas within 24 hours of death as per Muslim tradition. No that him getting killed was a problem.

Canada
05-07-2011, 01:15 PM
I think we have become to politically correct. maybe an eye for an eye as a hard and fast rule is to extreme but wasting valuable time and resources on mass murderers is just wrong. we continually bog down our judicial system with frivolous law suits because we have overcompensated to protect individual rights. Americans, and yes Canadians are not perfect and expecting us to be perfect as well as trying to show the rest of the world we are perfect is just counter productive. sometimes doing the right thing is not turning the other cheek nor litigating to protect the rights of a specific individual [in this case binladen] but putting a bullet in his head is. as to where to draw the line, all cases are different and reliant upon future moralistic debates. ethics and morals differ from generation to generation and culture to culture. and we can debate this odd infinitum :efpge:but some people because of their actions just don't deserve to live, bin laden and hitler come to mind!

You wouldnt really consider prosecuting Osama Bin Laden a frivolous lawsuit would you?

chiefnut
05-07-2011, 02:55 PM
You wouldnt really consider prosecuting Osama Bin Laden a frivolous lawsuit would you?
of course not but my point was that we have become a ridiculously litigious society where everyone wants to sue everyone else while we profess "prosecuting criminals to the fullest extent of the law" we get the "system bogged down so badly w/those frivolous lawsuit that trying a slam dunk case like bin laden ends up taking ten years. not just because of schedualing but all of those lawsuits create a ton of precidents which all the smart lawyers use to expand the rights of the accused and obscure true justice. it truly boggles my mind that absolute proof of guilt can be thrown out because of an improperly worded search warrant so the guilty criminal gets off scott free. why not use the evidence then hand down fines/suspensions to those that did not follow proper procedure obtaining it. i've wondered off topic, sorry but this stuff drives me crazy

matthewschiefs
05-07-2011, 03:08 PM
I really don't have a problem what they did to Bin Laden I just wish our goverment would have just come out and said we went there to kill him and we did. At first it was there was a firefight and he was killed the more info that comes out about the raid it seems the more it was just our guys fireing the bullets. I don't mind that given who we are talking about I think he deserved what he got I just wish our goverment would have just admited we went there to put a bullet or 100 in him.

If I were in charge I would have really rather taken him alive. This is a guy who said he would fight the U.S. and vowed that he would never be taken alive. You take him alive it takes a little bit of his legacy. It might have been better to do. Take him alive then put him in genral pouplation in Prison. And let the imates decide what happens to him.

Drunker Hillbilly
05-07-2011, 05:35 PM
What about the serial killer then? Hoe about a rapist? Repeat offender child molestor? You make it seem as though its a clean cut issue, but its not. You think there are not other "radical" from other countries plotting war against the US? Are you gonna just go out and shoot them all in the head? Sounds a lot to me like you are condoning the practices.

Please do not misconstrue what I am saying. Im glad Bin Laden is dead and I was defending the position that the US buried him at seas within 24 hours of death as per Muslim tradition. No that him getting killed was a problem.
You are correct. I do condone the way UBL was assasinated and yes, I catagorize rapists and murderer's in the same catagory. I believe that child molestors should be given fair mental evaluation and the minute they are found capable and not crazy, they should be put to death. A different catagory should be established for people like Hitler, UBL, Saddam, Kim Jong-il etc.. People who wish bad on others that simply don't believe what they believe. No offense but if this were to have happened in Ottowa Gatineau let's say at the Canadian Parliment Building, having killed thousands of innocent Canadian citizens, you may feel the same as I. Now before all of the god fearing people jump on my case, it's funny how I have not heard one pastor, priest, pope or otherwise come out and begrudge what was done to UBL or the way it was done. In fact, I have watched 2 religious speakers and when asked about what was done and how the bible percieved this type of action, neither would stand on his beliefs and say they disagreed with what was done. Wouldn't even address it straight forward. To me, this is a way of saying while they might not believe in the tactics they do believe it had to be done and are glad the planet is rid of this scum.

I believe in god and the constitution but sometimes there is a rule to every exception. Oh, and I certainly do believe there are others out there that are radicals and wish harm on not only the U.S. but all of North America and the west in general. They should be dealt with in the same fashion if they harm anyone of our citizens. This is my opinion and I believe a popular opinion here in the United States of America. (I WOULD LOVE TO POST AN AMERICAN FLAG EMETICON HERE IF THERE WERE ONE)!

Canada
05-07-2011, 07:34 PM
You are correct. I do condone the way UBL was assasinated and yes, I catagorize rapists and murderer's in the same catagory. I believe that child molestors should be given fair mental evaluation and the minute they are found capable and not crazy, they should be put to death. A different catagory should be established for people like Hitler, UBL, Saddam, Kim Jong-il etc.. People who wish bad on others that simply don't believe what they believe. No offense but if this were to have happened in Ottowa Gatineau let's say at the Canadian Parliment Building, having killed thousands of innocent Canadian citizens, you may feel the same as I. Now before all of the god fearing people jump on my case, it's funny how I have not heard one pastor, priest, pope or otherwise come out and begrudge what was done to UBL or the way it was done. In fact, I have watched 2 religious speakers and when asked about what was done and how the bible percieved this type of action, neither would stand on his beliefs and say they disagreed with what was done. Wouldn't even address it straight forward. To me, this is a way of saying while they might not believe in the tactics they do believe it had to be done and are glad the planet is rid of this scum.

I believe in god and the constitution but sometimes there is a rule to every exception. Oh, and I certainly do believe there are others out there that are radicals and wish harm on not only the U.S. but all of North America and the west in general. They should be dealt with in the same fashion if they harm anyone of our citizens. This is my opinion and I believe a popular opinion here in the United States of America. (I WOULD LOVE TO POST AN AMERICAN FLAG EMETICON HERE IF THERE WERE ONE)!

You are starting to sound like some sort of radical who thinks your beliefs are the only ones that are right. Kill the ones who do not live the way you do. Where does it stop? And what makes you the one who decides who lives and dies?

I also find it extremely offensive that you say that if this happened in Canada I would feel differently. Im pretty sure I am closer to NYC than you are but I dont think that if affects you any differently than it does me. Not sure if you know but there were Canadians killed in that attack as well. I also had plenty of friends (firefighters and paramedics) who went to NYC on 9/11 so please dont act like no one outside the US border was affected that day. That is just pure ignorance.

My point in all this has been that I find it disturbing the way that some people have celebrated death. Popping champagne corks and celebrating on the site where so many died is wrong. Im happy he is dead, but i will not jump for joy at the death of another human being.

Drunker Hillbilly
05-08-2011, 12:11 PM
You are starting to sound like some sort of radical who thinks your beliefs are the only ones that are right. Kill the ones who do not live the way you do. Where does it stop? And what makes you the one who decides who lives and dies?

I also find it extremely offensive that you say that if this happened in Canada I would feel differently. Im pretty sure I am closer to NYC than you are but I dont think that if affects you any differently than it does me. Not sure if you know but there were Canadians killed in that attack as well. I also had plenty of friends (firefighters and paramedics) who went to NYC on 9/11 so please dont act like no one outside the US border was affected that day. That is just pure ignorance.

My point in all this has been that I find it disturbing the way that some people have celebrated death. Popping champagne corks and celebrating on the site where so many died is wrong. Im happy he is dead, but i will not jump for joy at the death of another human being.
No, no, no. I wasn't insinuating that you didn't care about it. Sorry, I simply meant that it was an attack on the USA and not Canada. I just was thinking that if it happened on Canadian soil, you may feel differently. Maybe not....... I know this type of thing happens all over the world on a much smaller level but until it a strike was set forth on US soil, I never really thought much about it. I personally think we should bow out and let these pigs kill themselves off. Less money, less casualties etc..

I am certainly not popping corks but I do find it a little weird that your happy he is dead but your not celebrating. Are they the same kind of? Maybe celebrating inside? I don't know, everyone has a right to think what they think and believe what they believe. Im glad the POS is dead! I think we agree on that.

matthewschiefs
05-08-2011, 02:53 PM
You are starting to sound like some sort of radical who thinks your beliefs are the only ones that are right. Kill the ones who do not live the way you do. Where does it stop? And what makes you the one who decides who lives and dies?

I also find it extremely offensive that you say that if this happened in Canada I would feel differently. Im pretty sure I am closer to NYC than you are but I dont think that if affects you any differently than it does me. Not sure if you know but there were Canadians killed in that attack as well. I also had plenty of friends (firefighters and paramedics) who went to NYC on 9/11 so please dont act like no one outside the US border was affected that day. That is just pure ignorance.

My point in all this has been that I find it disturbing the way that some people have celebrated death. Popping champagne corks and celebrating on the site where so many died is wrong. Im happy he is dead, but i will not jump for joy at the death of another human being.

I felt the same way watching the celebrations on tv. Most the people celebrating were not even old enough to know what was happening on 9-11. I understand the people who lost a family member on that day celebrating the death of that horrible man. But I would agree a lot of people went way overboard.

tornadospotter
05-08-2011, 05:46 PM
http://youtu.be/BXnA9FjvLSU

Can I be happy, maybe even celebrate the death of the person who was the leader of the terriost who did this? Yes. If you do not like it, well not much I can say, but plenty celebrated the 911 attacks. You can find them on YouTube. I will not post them.

Canada
05-08-2011, 06:38 PM
http://youtu.be/BXnA9FjvLSU

Can I be happy, maybe even celebrate the death of the person who was the leader of the terriost who did this? Yes. If you do not like it, well not much I can say, but plenty celebrated the 911 attacks. You can find them on YouTube. I will not post them.

Plenty celebrated Im sure. Plenty celebrated when the planes hit the towers too.

Canada
05-08-2011, 11:35 PM
http://youtu.be/BXnA9FjvLSU

Can I be happy, maybe even celebrate the death of the person who was the leader of the terriost who did this? Yes. If you do not like it, well not much I can say, but plenty celebrated the 911 attacks. You can find them on YouTube. I will not post them.


Plenty celebrated Im sure. Plenty celebrated when the planes hit the towers too.Sorry, I misread your post

tornadospotter
05-09-2011, 12:09 AM
Was this a wrong celebration?
http://youtu.be/skGQ0fVx75o
or this?
http://youtu.be/zR3b6x9iqDc
What cost did that war, that pos start cost us? In more than dollars.

I am almost done posting about this sad sorry dead person, I hold him in the same level of respect due him and his fellow pos in history. Zero!

Canada
05-09-2011, 12:21 AM
Celebrating the return of soldiers from war is different than celebrating the death of a person. I really dont want to discuss this anymore. Carry on cheering the death of others, I personally dont care what anyone else does. Myself...I am glad the world is rid of Osama Bin Laden, but I will not cheer for more war, more death and murder.

tornadospotter
05-09-2011, 12:41 AM
Celebrating the return of soldiers from war is different than celebrating the death of a person. I really dont want to discuss this anymore. Carry on cheering the death of others, I personally dont care what anyone else does. Myself...I am glad the world is rid of Osama Bin Laden, but I will not cheer for more war, more death and murder.

Agreed! I can only hope that now we can finally end this war.
I do not cheer on death of others, and I do not celebrate killing of a human. But I not sorry for how I feel about the death of bin laden.
I am done now with this.

Chiefster
05-09-2011, 11:42 AM
Other food for thought, and this is merely a commentary on our "legal system". Why is it that braking into an unarmed mans house, shooting him in the face and dumping his body at sea in an undisclosed location considered legal and proper (and it is IMO) given the circumstances? But, water-boarding those associated with al Qaeda which is, from what I understand, the tactic that yielded the intel that eventually led to UBL's demise considered "crossing the line"?

Connie Jo
05-10-2011, 01:27 AM
I totally understand your reaction, but if everyone starts to feel that way about "bad guys" then we will eventually become what we hate. Sure its easy to say this about Bin Laden, but where do you draw the line? Couldn't the same thing be said of a murderer? I agree that justice was served, but personally I would prefer to be a better person. While I dont really care about how he was killed (sniper, bomb etc...) I think that the US did the right thing by respecting the Muslim faith and burying him the way they did. If too many people start to think "an eye for an eye" then we become the same thing that we hate.

I believe it was Gandhi who said, "An eye for an eye only leaves the whole world blind." I agree, hate breeds hate. I'm glad justice prevailed, that Laden no longer exists on Earth, but final judgement in my humble opinion belongs only to God. Sadly, there are literally thousands of Bin Ladens in our world, he simply was the one who succeeded in carrying out the worst attack on America to date. :(

Connie Jo
05-10-2011, 01:34 AM
You are correct. I do condone the way UBL was assasinated and yes, I catagorize rapists and murderer's in the same catagory. I believe that child molestors should be given fair mental evaluation and the minute they are found capable and not crazy, they should be put to death. A different catagory should be established for people like Hitler, UBL, Saddam, Kim Jong-il etc.. People who wish bad on others that simply don't believe what they believe. No offense but if this were to have happened in Ottowa Gatineau let's say at the Canadian Parliment Building, having killed thousands of innocent Canadian citizens, you may feel the same as I. Now before all of the god fearing people jump on my case, it's funny how I have not heard one pastor, priest, pope or otherwise come out and begrudge what was done to UBL or the way it was done. In fact, I have watched 2 religious speakers and when asked about what was done and how the bible percieved this type of action, neither would stand on his beliefs and say they disagreed with what was done. Wouldn't even address it straight forward. To me, this is a way of saying while they might not believe in the tactics they do believe it had to be done and are glad the planet is rid of this scum.

I believe in god and the constitution but sometimes there is a rule to every exception. Oh, and I certainly do believe there are others out there that are radicals and wish harm on not only the U.S. but all of North America and the west in general. They should be dealt with in the same fashion if they harm anyone of our citizens. This is my opinion and I believe a popular opinion here in the United States of America. (I WOULD LOVE TO POST AN AMERICAN FLAG EMETICON HERE IF THERE WERE ONE)!

:sFl_america2: :sFl_america2: :sFl_america2: :sFl_america2:

There is one...you have to click the 'more' to find him. :)

Connie Jo
05-10-2011, 01:44 AM
You are starting to sound like some sort of radical who thinks your beliefs are the only ones that are right. Kill the ones who do not live the way you do. Where does it stop? And what makes you the one who decides who lives and dies?

I also find it extremely offensive that you say that if this happened in Canada I would feel differently. Im pretty sure I am closer to NYC than you are but I dont think that if affects you any differently than it does me. Not sure if you know but there were Canadians killed in that attack as well. I also had plenty of friends (firefighters and paramedics) who went to NYC on 9/11 so please dont act like no one outside the US border was affected that day. That is just pure ignorance.

My point in all this has been that I find it disturbing the way that some people have celebrated death. Popping champagne corks and celebrating on the site where so many died is wrong. Im happy he is dead, but i will not jump for joy at the death of another human being.

You're not alone...I don't agree with the celebrating and 'gloating' that occurred either. I don't see the difference between the public celebrating with joyful gloating that occurred in the US upon the news of Laden's death, and that of those who celebrate with joy publicly across the world when attacks against the US, or when US soldiers are murdered/killed. One can be happily relieved without celebrating in joy & gruesomely holding bloody heads on sticks, etc..

The celebrating at Ground Zero was shameful & disrespectful IMO. Many of the surviving victims, as well as families of those victims who lost life...said they also found the celebrating at Ground Zero disturbing and upsetting...a show of disrespect for those who lost life physically & lost life as they once knew it, lives changed forever. Ground Zero is sacred, and many trampled upon sacred ground by celebrating there. There should have been candlelight vigils at Ground Zero, nothing more.

Connie Jo
05-10-2011, 01:55 AM
No, no, no. I wasn't insinuating that you didn't care about it. Sorry, I simply meant that it was an attack on the USA and not Canada. I just was thinking that if it happened on Canadian soil, you may feel differently. Maybe not....... I know this type of thing happens all over the world on a much smaller level but until it a strike was set forth on US soil, I never really thought much about it. I personally think we should bow out and let these pigs kill themselves off. Less money, less casualties etc..

I am certainly not popping corks but I do find it a little weird that your happy he is dead but your not celebrating. Are they the same kind of? Maybe celebrating inside? I don't know, everyone has a right to think what they think and believe what they believe. Im glad the POS is dead! I think we agree on that.

I agree, bow out & let them kill each other...since we can't simply blow up the Mideast region. There will never be world peace, it's impossible all human factors considered. World peace hasn't existed since the creation of mankind. The Mideast has been a bloody religous war battlefield since Biblical times, and it will always be that way....we can't change that fact by force, ever. The hate in the Mideast people is a way of life, they are taught & learn to hate those in their neighboring societies from birth. That fact won't change either.

Canada
05-10-2011, 07:03 AM
I agree, bow out & let them kill each other...since we can't simply blow up the Mideast region. There will never be world peace, it's impossible all human factors considered. World peace hasn't existed since the creation of mankind. The Mideast has been a bloody religous war battlefield since Biblical times, and it will always be that way....we can't change that fact by force, ever. The hate in the Mideast people is a way of life, they are taught & learn to hate those in their neighboring societies from birth. That fact won't change either.If it ever does change it wont be because of guns and bombs. :bananen_smilies046:

chiefnut
05-10-2011, 08:26 AM
we need to kill this thread[like bin laden] it is much to emotional a topic, save it for football

chief31
05-10-2011, 09:09 AM
Myself, I think we absolutely did the right thing in showing respect to the deceased. There is not a d**n thing to be gained from being disgraceful toward his body, once he has passed. I think we call that kind of behavior "pure evil" when the roles are reversed.

For those who find the death of Bin Laden to lack the full amount of closure they seek, there is nothing that can provide it.

What separates Bin Laden from your average serial killer or rapist, for me, is the aspect of war, and a brazen confession to his own guilt.

Those two factors remove me from any "fair trial", or "due process" mindset.

Also, while I do celebrate the accomplishment of "cutting off the head" of the Al Quaida "snake", as a great achievement, I really do not take any joy in the actual death of Bin Laden.

But I have zero remorse too.

tornadospotter
05-14-2011, 12:02 AM
Binney was such a great follower of Muslim, he had porn? This pos who called for a Holy War against Satan? He who called My Country the Great Satan? He who was the leader of a holy war against my nation?
Seems like he was not so holy after all, but I sure it was just planted evidence, after all he was a shinning true believer of his religion? But wait, it was just for research purpose on the evils of his enemy, that must be why. Such a good and holy Muslim he was said to be. But to be fair, news reports do tell us he did become hole filled at the end of his life, so I guess he did become as close to holie as he will ever be.

AkChief49
05-14-2011, 08:38 PM
594is this bad?

matthewschiefs
05-14-2011, 08:43 PM
594is this bad?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

tornadospotter
05-14-2011, 11:58 PM
594is this bad?
Not by my thoughts!

Connie Jo
05-15-2011, 12:03 AM
If it ever does change it wont be because of guns and bombs. :bananen_smilies046:
Well, thing is...they use guns and bombs against those they believe are their enemies. There is no diplomatic reasoning with insane twisted evil minds. These are countries that not only allow the beating of their women, but encourage it as being their religious right. Women are thought of on the same level as an animal. They're instructed by elders not to beat the women in the face, only on the body, so they don't make her ugly to look at in the face with scars & other visual traces of beatings. The men are raised to be abusive & cruel to their own women, children, animals. These people aren't right in the head or heart. They're evil.

They just don't use regular bombs either, they use jets as bombs to kill civilians who did nothing to them. Lord only knows what they'll use next. They may be sick twisted lost evil souls, but they're brilliant in strategic planning and following through successfully.

The Japanese targeted Pearl Harbor Naval Base in WWII, not civilians. Although I may not agree, I can comprehend an enemy attacking Military targets, but attacking innocent civilian targets, including children, is pure evil without any justification whatsoever. They also use chemical warfare.

You can't reason with insanity nor evil. I know that from personal experience.




Myself, I think we absolutely did the right thing in showing respect to the deceased. There is not a d**n thing to be gained from being disgraceful toward his body, once he has passed. I think we call that kind of behavior "pure evil" when the roles are reversed.

For those who find the death of Bin Laden to lack the full amount of closure they seek, there is nothing that can provide it.

What separates Bin Laden from your average serial killer or rapist, for me, is the aspect of war, and a brazen confession to his own guilt.

Those two factors remove me from any "fair trial", or "due process" mindset.

Also, while I do celebrate the accomplishment of "cutting off the head" of the Al Quaida "snake", as a great achievement, I really do not take any joy in the actual death of Bin Laden.

But I have zero remorse too.

I agree with all, 100%.

chief31
05-15-2011, 05:51 AM
The Japanese targeted Pearl Harbor Naval Base in WWII, not civilians. Although I may not agree, I can comprehend an enemy attacking Military targets, but attacking innocent civilian targets, including children, is pure evil without any justification whatsoever. They also use chemical warfare.



While I agree that attacking civilians is beyond reprehensible, the enemy they saught was in those buildings.


They refer to us as "capitalist pigs", and never "democratic pigs".


They feel that our economic power is their primary enemy. So, by targeting the Trade Center towers, they did hit the defined enemy.


But by "they" I mean directly, Al Quaida.

Just like Christianity has those who would pervert the belief system and do terrible things in it's name, Islam has a lot of the same things going on.

I do not believe that all Muslims should be generalized so easily. We all see how much the battle with each other, so clearly, they do not all agree on the basic principles of their religion.

Connie Jo
05-16-2011, 03:44 PM
While I agree that attacking civilians is beyond reprehensible, the enemy they saught was in those buildings.


They refer to us as "capitalist pigs", and never "democratic pigs".


They feel that our economic power is their primary enemy. So, by targeting the Trade Center towers, they did hit the defined enemy.


But by "they" I mean directly, Al Quaida.

Just like Christianity has those who would pervert the belief system and do terrible things in it's name, Islam has a lot of the same things going on.

I do not believe that all Muslims should be generalized so easily. We all see how much the battle with each other, so clearly, they do not all agree on the basic principles of their religion.

I understand your explanation for why they attacked the Trade Centers, but it was still a civilian target from my perspective by comparison to Pearl Harbor, other previous enemy attacks against the U.S.and as well...the airplanes they used were overall carrying civilian passengers, including children. They had no conscience for how they treated those passengers prior to killing them either, including if I remember correctly, slitting the throat of a stewardess. There simply is no comprehending their evil sadistic cruelty.

I agree, and I don't generalize "Muslims" at all, rather I categorize the terrioristic and abusive minds who claim to be "Muslims" separately. However, I do believe known terrorist supporting countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, have a population of which the majority are of evil, cruel, twisted, abusive mindsets. I also don't believe their Muslim religion has anything to do with their insane behavior, rather they use it as an excuse for being habitual mudereous evil minds, just like Hitler was.

chiefnut
05-16-2011, 04:17 PM
i am trying to resist jumping back in on this but you guys are making are making it tuff