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Chiefster
05-23-2011, 11:31 PM
Requesting Prayer and good thoughts for all of those affected by the numerous tornadoes.

http://www.youtu.be/cQnvxJZucds

tornadospotter
05-24-2011, 12:12 AM
I am so thankful that my brother and his family are safe! But I just so filled with sadness for what happened here, in a area that I lived in and love. I pray for all in that area. The wall cloud went right over my brothers house, then the tornado formed, and grew. That hospital is where my brothers wife work for.

Connie Jo
05-24-2011, 02:00 AM
I can't seem to focus on anything but the Joplin tornado...very tragic and upsetting in many aspects. I've been following web pages and news since last night. I was hoping and praying my initial thoughts were wrong once seeing some photo's online of destroyed areas...which indicated the tornado was much more powerful than the F3 first reported. I knew the destruction and loss of life would be greater if it was an F4-5 which photo's of damage indicated it surely was.

I know hindsight can't bring back lives, but how many lives will be lost before officials of cities/towns located in the heart of tornado alley...realize that they need to put forth much effort with educating the public on tornado safety, basic facts related that many are clueless of, which cost lives? When will they realize we need stricter building codes, especially for commerical and retail structures? Officials need to work with organizations such as Red Cross, the Salvation Army...to educate the naive well meaning public who impulsively travel to a disaster area without pre-authorization to volunteer...that by doing so they tremendously interfere and hinder search and rescue attempts by those who are qualified and trained for such. Unauthorized volunteers can make matters worse, not better...the exact opposite of their well meaning attempts because they simply are naive and don't know better.

Every year prior to tornado season I try to inform of safety facts related to tornado's...such as complacency towards watches and warnings costs lives...no if's and's or butt's. I know most pay me no attention, thinking it will never happen to them. It's being widely reported the Joplin area sirens rang at least 20 minutes prior to the tornado striking. If those reports are accurate, many lives lost they say were a result of complacency. :(

My prayers and thoughts are most definitely with the victims and their loved ones, and all affected by this most recent tornado related tragedy. :(

Connie Jo
05-24-2011, 02:02 AM
PS: I'm relieved you and yours are okay Chiefster. I know you don't live in Joplin, but also know you are in that area on the KS side.

Chiefster
05-24-2011, 02:45 AM
I can't seem to focus on anything but the Joplin tornado...very tragic and upsetting in many aspects. I've been following web pages and news since last night. I was hoping and praying my initial thoughts were wrong once seeing some photo's online of destroyed areas...which indicated the tornado was much more powerful than the F3 first reported. I knew the destruction and loss of life would be greater if it was an F4-5 which photo's of damage indicated it surely was.

I know hindsight can't bring back lives, but how many lives will be lost before officials of cities/towns located in the heart of tornado alley...realize that they need to put forth much effort with educating the public on tornado safety, basic facts related that many are clueless of, which cost lives? When will they realize we need stricter building codes, especially for commerical and retail structures? Officials need to work with organizations such as Red Cross, the Salvation Army...to educate the naive well meaning public who impulsively travel to a disaster area without pre-authorization to volunteer...that by doing so they tremendously interfere and hinder search and rescue attempts by those who are qualified and trained for such. Unauthorized volunteers can make matters worse, not better...the exact opposite of their well meaning attempts because they simply are naive and don't know better.

Every year prior to tornado season I try to inform of safety facts related to tornado's...such as complacency towards watches and warnings costs lives...no if's and's or butt's. I know most pay me no attention, thinking it will never happen to them. It's being widely reported the Joplin area sirens rang at least 20 minutes prior to the tornado striking. If those reports are accurate, many lives lost they say were a result of complacency. :(

My prayers and thoughts are most definitely with the victims and their loved ones, and all affected by this most recent tornado related tragedy. :(

You are so right Connie! The best way people can help is by staying away and letting the first responders do their jobs. Area Red Cross organizations is also a viable way to assist those in need. O- blood is what is most being sought after right now. One can also go to American Red Cross (http://www.redcross.org/) and make online monetary donations.


PS: I'm relieved you and yours are okay Chiefster. I know you don't live in Joplin, but also know you are in that area on the KS side.

Thank you Connie; We have been very fortunate and blessed.

kcvet
05-24-2011, 11:30 AM
the Chiefs are making a 35,000 dollar contribution to this disaster

Chiefs Announce Disaster Relief Plans


Additionally, they and their media partners are teaming with the Salvation Army Midland Division to hold a bottled-water drive at Arrowhead Stadium for individuals in Kansas City to assist victims in the tornado-ravaged areas.

story (http://www.kcmetrosports.com/Article.aspx?Id=15624&CatID=65)

the team also helped out in 07 when Greensburg ks was flattened by an F5

here are 5 youtube's of the disaster in joplin. including the twister itself

link (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-dramatic-videos-of-joplin-tornado-20110523,0,3810393.photogallery)

Chiefster
05-25-2011, 07:45 AM
the Chiefs are making a 35,000 dollar contribution to this disaster

Chiefs Announce Disaster Relief Plans



story (http://www.kcmetrosports.com/Article.aspx?Id=15624&CatID=65)

the team also helped out in 07 when Greensburg ks was flattened by an F5

here are 5 youtube's of the disaster in joplin. including the twister itself

link (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-dramatic-videos-of-joplin-tornado-20110523,0,3810393.photogallery)

Thanks kcvet!

Chiefster
05-25-2011, 07:46 AM
YouTube - ‪May 24, 2011 Oklahoma tornado outbreak!‬‏

kcvet
05-25-2011, 10:00 AM
YouTube - ‪May 24, 2011 Oklahoma tornado outbreak!‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZlGrTpXS4U)

that makes the crap run up my throat just watching it

kcvet
05-25-2011, 10:12 AM
joplin before and after

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/05/15.jpg

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/05/16.jpg

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/05/17.jpg

links

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/before-after-pictures-of-joplin-missouri

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1390530/Joplin-MO-tornado-Before-photos-complete-devastation.html

Chiefster
05-25-2011, 07:10 PM
joplin before and after

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/05/15.jpg

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/05/16.jpg

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/05/17.jpg

links

9 Shocking Before & After Pictures Of Joplin, Missouri: Pics, Videos, Links, News (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/before-after-pictures-of-joplin-missouri)

Joplin MO tornado: Before and after photos that show the complete devastation | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1390530/Joplin-MO-tornado-Before-photos-complete-devastation.html)

The landscape has definitely been permanently altered.

kcvet
05-25-2011, 07:17 PM
The landscape has definitely been permanently altered.

we got a scare here this morning. in KC the sirens went off and also here in my town.

Chiefster
05-25-2011, 08:44 PM
we got a scare here this morning. in KC the sirens went off and also here in my town.

Yeah I saw that when I was monitoring the weather; I'm glad you, Connie and everyone else in KC are alright.

N TX Dave
05-26-2011, 12:21 AM
joplin before and after

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/05/15.jpg

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/05/16.jpg

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/05/17.jpg

links

9 Shocking Before & After Pictures Of Joplin, Missouri: Pics, Videos, Links, News (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/before-after-pictures-of-joplin-missouri)

Joplin MO tornado: Before and after photos that show the complete devastation | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1390530/Joplin-MO-tornado-Before-photos-complete-devastation.html)

Those are just increadable photos we just had a news caster her ask the weatherman why there were so many deaths well if you look at the photos you can see unless you had a storm celler in an EF5 you are gone.

kcvet
05-26-2011, 10:53 AM
the Westboro Baptist Church is going to pay its respects


(Joplin, MO) -- The controversial Westboro Baptist Church is planning to protest President Obama's visit to Joplin, Missouri Sunday.


On its website, the church writes, "Thank God for 125 dead in Joplin."


Church members claim Missouri Governor Jay Nixon has attacked them by promoting laws banning them from protesting at soldiers' funerals.


President Obama is planning to visit the tornado-raved city this Sunday. A memorial is also planned that day for the 125 people who lost their lives in the tornado.


Nixon said Wednesday that the community "must come together and seek a higher power's assistance."


He said it was appropriate the community gather as one on Memorial Day weekend to remember those who have died in the tornado.


The Westboro Baptist Church believes tragedies like the tornado are God's punishment on Americans for accepting homosexuality.

http://ozarksfirst.com/fulltext?nxd_id=461407

Connie Jo
05-29-2011, 03:13 AM
Actually, many did survive in those areas completely flattened, no doubt by a miracle. Many lives lost were by those in vehicles who didn't take cover, and also in commercial buildings such as Home Depot which are dang near as deadly as a mobile or manufactured home. :(

Underground tornado shelters as seen in the classic movie 'Wizard of Oz' remain the most safe shelter from massive tornadoes. They really aren't that costly to build by comparison of what many people spend on home improvements & maintenance annually. In newer developments however, they're often not allowed, against home association bylaws considered 'obtrusive asthetically'. Personally, I feel in the heart of tornado alley they should be mandatory, adopted as city building code. I also feel 'hurricane/wind braces' should be required on all new home construction. They average in cost a buck or two, nailed properly to roof rafters can triple the strength of a roof related to wind sheer. They are required by code in some cities hurricane prone, but to my last knowledge weren't in any tornado prone cities. :(

Connie Jo
05-29-2011, 03:38 AM
I keep having thoughts related. Buildings with massive glass entrances and large architectural windows such as in the church shown above, are also more likely to be destroyed. The more glass, the less solid structural framing, which weakens a structure against wind sheer. Glass has very little strength against wind. So many commercial buildings have huge glass entrances, glass partition walls and many massive windows. Consider Walmart and Home Depot being destroyed in Joplin, the hospital as well. The glass also becomes deadly, pieces of glass become airborne at the speed of bullets, with that much glass flying around it's as if machine guns are being shot directly at people.

Also, many commerical structures have metal roofs of which are simply riveted, which isn't as strong as a traditional timber framed/sheathed roof, especially one reinforced with hurricane/wind bracing.

If you look at photo's of the F5 that hit Topeka June 8th, 1966...you will note that many of the older homes suffered much less damage than newer constructed homes. I'd have to refresh my architectural/engineering memory, but I think it was the late 40's and 50's that builders began taking shortcuts with building homes. Each decade since homes have become less strong, they're are no longer built to last like homes of yesteryear. Building codes today consider average snow loads, but not so much with wind sheer related to rafters/sheathing. There are also nailing patterns for increased strength, but many builders today aren't even familiar with nailing patterns of yesteryear. The craftsman were much more knowledgeable and thorough years ago. Also, the steeper the roof pitch the more likely it will be torn off, especially if not reinforced, which most aren't for direct hit tornado winds or nearby sheer. Houses these days are more often than not, built as poorly as vehicles are, not intended to last. 50 yrs from now most newer constructed average price range homes won't be standing strong, for one reason or another, but all due to poor construction by that compared to decades ago. :(

Connie Jo
05-29-2011, 03:47 AM
the Westboro Baptist Church is going to pay its respects



Westboro Baptist Church Plans Protest for Joplin MO - OzarksFirst.com (http://ozarksfirst.com/fulltext?nxd_id=461407)

I read this on Facebook a few days ago. The good news is the Patriot Guard is making an exception, and will be in Joplin to assist, even though the service isn't related to military death. I refuse to acknowledge them as a "Church"...they are a sick evil twisted inbred "cult". Their protesting based upon morals and/or Christianity is no more than a false cover to justify their hate and evil for profit. The WBCult has literally become wealthy beyond imaginable due to their profitting from their protests over the years. :(

kcvet
05-29-2011, 10:12 AM
Actually, many did survive in those areas completely flattened, no doubt by a miracle. Many lives lost were by those in vehicles who didn't take cover, and also in commercial buildings such as Home Depot which are dang near as deadly as a mobile or manufactured home. :(

Underground tornado shelters as seen in the classic movie 'Wizard of Oz' remain the most safe shelter from massive tornadoes. They really aren't that costly to build by comparison of what many people spend on home improvements & maintenance annually. In newer developments however, they're often not allowed, against home association bylaws considered 'obtrusive asthetically'. Personally, I feel in the heart of tornado alley they should be mandatory, adopted as city building code. I also feel 'hurricane/wind braces' should be required on all new home construction. They average in cost a buck or two, nailed properly to roof rafters can triple the strength of a roof related to wind sheer. They are required by code in some cities hurricane prone, but to my last knowledge weren't in any tornado prone cities. :(

thye're called slab homes. a slab foundation. no basements. how they get away with it is beyond me. it should be a state law every home should have at least a 1/2 basement for shelter. its the flying debris that kills you

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/05/19.jpg

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/05/20.jpg

above ground storm shelters are available. but im not sure what they cost

YouTube - ‪Built Safe... Tested Safe... Missouri Storm Shelters‬‏

after Hurricane Katrina the sell concrete reinforced homes went thru the roof.

Connie Jo
05-30-2011, 08:20 PM
kcvet...it just depends as to the cost of an underground shelter. Decades ago people built them themselves, especially those living in rural areas where there was no community or neighborhood shelters. If you can build one yourself you can do it very reasonable. The pre-formed concrete ones you buy can get costly...you typically have to hire someone to excavate using proper equipment, etc.. A friend of mine bought a pre-fab concrete one, and when it was all said & done told me it cost him about $13,000.00, which seems pricey to me, but I'm not sure of the specifics, haven't seen his shelter.

Many neighborhoods will have a community shelter when the majority of homes have no basements, such as mobile home parks. Many city codes do require such of mobile home parks, but not all. HUD lenders also require a home without a basement in a tornado risk area have a concrete safe room. One of the biggest problems though is many ignore the warnings, not wanting to be inconvenienced. We've become complacent in tornado alley since sirens sound often and nothing happens.

Advanced early warning detection is a double edged sword. NOAA scientists can detect a region is at high risk for a tornado hours before a storm even develops, will issue a watch for that region, which the majority of people ignore watches all together. In other words, don't let a watch affect plans, including outdoor plans such as shopping, BBQ's, picnics, boating, golfing, etc.. NOAA most always issues warnings once a cell begins to rotate, several minutes before the vortex actually becomes a tornado. Well, more often than not that tornado never completely forms and drops, so people have grown complacent to siren warnings.

Also, I've heard stories from many people who say they will go outside to look, if they don't see a tornado think it's not going to happen, or isn't coming their way, don't bother taking cover. Too many have misconceptions about tornadoes, or no knowledge at all of facts that can save their lives. Such as, many vortexes are invisible to the eye, they become visible as funnel clouds when they pull in surrounding humidity forming clouds, or touchdown picking up soil and debris. I could go on, but likely have rambled too much on this subject as it is.

I witnessed, experienced, and survived an historic F5 hit Topeka, KS as a kid. To this day my memories are vivid, including hearing the roar, seeing the debris rotating in the sky, etc.. From that day forward my fascination with tornadoes began, and as an adult have spent literally hours educating myself as much as possible related to tornadoes. I've photographed them in the open country where I use to live, also spotted for that county. They can be quite mesmerizing to witness, but when they became deadly & destructive are horrible monsters, nothing mesmerizing about them at all. :(