Chiefs Free Agent News and Rumors

[TopekaRoy]

I didn't see a thread covering free agency news so I thought I would start one. Feel free to add any Chiefs news or rumors regarding free agency here.

According to ArrowheadPride.com, here is a slist of current Chiefs who are unrestricted free agents:

NT Ron Edwards (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2363/ron-edwards)
DE Shaun Smith
WR Terrance Copper (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2008/terrance-copper)
C Casey Wiegmann (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2412/casey-wiegmann)
S Jon McGraw (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1486/jon-mcgraw)
LB Charlie Anderson (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2701/charlie-anderson)
WR Kevin Curtis (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1310/kevin-curtis)
CB Travis Daniels (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2504/travis-daniels)
LB Mike Vrabel (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1709/mike-vrabel)
FB Tim Castille (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/16614/tim-castille)
OT Ryan O'Callaghan (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1694/ryan-o-callaghan)
LB Corey Mays (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1687/corey-mays)
TE Leonard Pope
C Rudy Niswanger (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2389/rudy-niswanger)
QB Brodie Croyle (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2361/brodie-croyle)

Vrabel has announced his retirement and Wiegman has expressed an interest in playing another year. I think he is a must sign. What other Chiefs do you think we need to sign and who should we let go?

Here are some other UFAs that the Chiefs are reportedly interested in:

Right Tackle: Doug Free (Dallas), Jermon Bushrod (new Orleans)

Last year Jamaal Charles averaged 6.4 yards per carry when running to the left, but only 4.3 ypc when running to the right.

Nose Tackle: Aubrayo Franklin (San Francisco)

The Chiefs drafted Jerrell Powe (6th round) this year but he'll be raw and probably only a rotation player to start with. They may resign Ron Edwards, but if they don't Franklin would would be a force up the middle.

Other free agents that the Chiefs are reportedly interested in:

Offensive Tackle: Jared Gaither (Baltimore)
Running Back: Le'Ron McClain (Baltimore)
Wide Receiver: Steve Breaston (Arizona)

What are your thoughts?

[Chiefster]

Nice find!

We need to retain Wiegmann and Pope. IMO

[hometeam]

resign;

wiegmann, mcgraw. shuan smith, vrabel, ocallaghan

consider keeping;

mays, niswanger, edwards


let the rest go~

[rodu]

I thought Vrabel called it a career

[TopekaRoy]

I thought Vrabel called it a career

That is correct. As I mentioned in the first post he has retired. I heard he is wants to be a coach.

[Seek]

Right Tackle: Doug Free (Dallas), Jermon Bushrod (new Orleans)

Nose Tackle: Aubrayo Franklin (San Francisco)

Offensive Tackle: Jared Gaither (Baltimore)
Running Back: Le'Ron McClain (Baltimore)
Wide Receiver: Steve Breaston (Arizona)

Yes to all of these PLEASE.... If we cant get Gaither than Tyson Clabo pretty please.

If we get these guys, I am a happy season ticket holder.

[matthewschiefs]

Right Tackle: Doug Free (Dallas), Jermon Bushrod (new Orleans)

Nose Tackle: Aubrayo Franklin (San Francisco)

Offensive Tackle: Jared Gaither (Baltimore)
Running Back: Le'Ron McClain (Baltimore)
Wide Receiver: Steve Breaston (Arizona)

Yes to all of these PLEASE.... If we cant get Gaither than Tyson Clabo pretty please.

If we get these guys, I am a happy season ticket holder.

I would be happy with the offseason if this happend as well.

[Hayvern]

We have a few restricted free agents that need contracts as well. I hope we can make sure we keep those guys on the team, Hali, and Carr come to mind.

[DMN]

We have a few restricted free agents that need contracts as well. I hope we can make sure we keep those guys on the team, Hali, and Carr come to mind.

Hali has the tag on him so he is a chief for at least next season for sure. Carr has been tendered a first round... So if another team wants him then they have to give up their first to us... I believe we will get him signed.

[TopekaRoy]

Hali has the tag on him so he is a chief for at least next season for sure. Carr has been tendered a first round... So if another team wants him then they have to give up their first to us... I believe we will get him signed.
That is correct. Those two aren't going anywhere, I don't think.


Making Sense Of The Chiefs Free Agents



Your complete guide to the Chiefs 2011 free agents - how they got here, what they've done and what their status is going forward

http://www.kcchiefs.com/assets/images/imported/KC/photos/article-images/edwards_jax250_10_22_10.jpg We’ll get our first dose of free agency when teams announce their first batch of drafted and undrafted rookie signings later today. Preparations for free agency made for a late night Monday at Arrowhead with the Chiefs front office allowed to begin negotiations with rookie players.


There were discussions, but no signings. Clubs are prohibited from signing rookies until 9:00 AM (CST) today.


Negotiations with veteran free agents will also begin at 9:00 AM (CST), but clubs will be unable to sign those players until Friday evening. Plenty of free agency rumors will be circulating throughout the week – some true, some not. Just be advised that talks aren’t binding, contracts are.


There’s some additional small print involved in free agency this year as well.


Read more (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-3/Making-Sense-Of-The-Chiefs-Free-Agents/bc334f11-0308-4361-8b75-2d1f753289ed)

[TopekaRoy]

Looks like the Chiefs have signed/will sign undrafted free agent DT/DE Lucas Patterson.


We've got another undrafted free agent signing by the Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/kansas-city-chiefs) that has reportedly happened. Adam Caplan of Fox Sports reports (http://twitter.com/#%21/caplannfl) that the Kansas City Chiefs have agreed to a deal with Texas A&M DT/DE Lucas Patterson.
Patterson is 6'3", 293 pounds and ran a 5.12 40-yard dash as a senior at A&M. Multiple scouting reports labeled him as a DE/DL hybrid and someone that could potentially line up at nose tackle.
One scouting report (http://www.fanaticalfootballfiend.com/3/post/2011/1/lucas-patterson-scouting-reports.html) said this of Patterson: ...


Read More (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/7/26/2294605/kansas-city-chiefs-lucas-patterson-2011-nfl-free-agents)

[TopekaRoy]

The above source (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/7/26/2294605/kansas-city-chiefs-lucas-patterson-2011-nfl-free-agents) also says that the Chiefs have signed UTC OT Chris Harr, Auburn CB Demond Washington and Virginia Union OT David Mims.

[Jrudi]

That is correct. As I mentioned in the first post he has retired. I heard he is wants to be a coach.

The day he retired, there was a report that he was offered and accepted a coaching position at Ohio State, probably LB's coach or something.

[slc chief]

i say let mcgraw walk

[SAPHOJUNKIE]

The day he retired, there was a report that he was offered and accepted a coaching position at Ohio State, probably LB's coach or something.

It was the linebackers coach. New headcoach was his teammate and roommate at OSU.

[Connie Jo]

Weigman has been re-signed by the Chiefs for another year, according to what I've read here & there online. :)

[Connie Jo]

Oh, as far as opinions as to who we should try to draft, or not, my answer requires little thought, which my brain needs a 'thought vacation', so it's a good thing my answer requires little thought, hahaha. My answer is:

~In Pioli and Haley I Trust!!~

CHIEFS WILL!! YEEBOWEHAW!!!

[jap1]

i say let mcgraw walk

I say keep him for special teams only. He is a good special teams captain and great on special teams in general. He doesnt belong on the field on 3rd down, though.

[slc chief]

I say keep him for special teams only. He is a good special teams captain and great on special teams in general. He doesnt belong on the field on 3rd down, though.
special teams i suppose but i can not stand it when he is in there for coverage

[DMN]

Edwards to the panthers on a 3 year deal... Pioli is going to have to get on his horse today and get a NT...

Color me a little worried..

Teicher: Ron Edwards Signs With Carolina Panthers « Arrowhead Addict | A Kansas City Chiefs blog (http://arrowheadaddict.com/2011/07/27/teicher-ron-edwards-signs-with-carolina-panthers/)

[josh1971]

Edwards to the panthers on a 3 year deal... Pioli is going to have to get on his horse today and get a NT...

Color me a little worried..

Teicher: Ron Edwards Signs With Carolina Panthers « Arrowhead Addict | A Kansas City Chiefs blog (http://arrowheadaddict.com/2011/07/27/teicher-ron-edwards-signs-with-carolina-panthers/)

I'm only a little worried- it sounds like KC is interested in at least one free agent NT, and we did draft Powe (who is a rookie).

I don't know enough about Toribio to know if we're in serious trouble there.

[Seek]

Weigman has been re-signed by the Chiefs for another year, according to what I've read here & there online. :)

based on his conversation with 810 sports he is out on the lake with Ryan Lilja and has signed no deal with the Chiefs and wont sign a deal until Friday.

[Seek]

I'm only a little worried- it sounds like KC is interested in at least one free agent NT, and we did draft Powe (who is a rookie).

I don't know enough about Toribio to know if we're in serious trouble there.

I think he and the Chiesf new his time in KC was done. They probably made it clear to Ron that they won't re-sign him.

[TopekaRoy]

I hope the fact that the Chiefs let Edwards go is an indication that they will sign
Aubreyo Franklin. You can't expect Powe, a 6th round pick to start right away. If the Chiefs do get Franklin, I'll be very happy with this move.

[DC_Chiefsfan]

Would love to see some rumors about us signing McClain or Snelling

[TopekaRoy]

Would love to see some rumors about us signing McClain or Snelling
I haven't found anything definite, yet, but BaltimoreBeatDown.com (http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2011/7/27/2296498/leron-mcclain-being-targeted-by-chiefs) has this:

LeRon McClain Being Targeted By Chiefs?

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/07/8.jpg by Bruce Raffel (http://www.sbnation.com/users/Bruce%20Raffel) on Jul 27, 2011 6:00 AM EDT (http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2011/7/27/2296498/leron-mcclain-being-targeted-by-chiefs)

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/07/9.jpg (http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/photos/leron-mcclain-being-targeted-by-chiefs) Larry French - Getty Images
9 months ago: BALTIMORE MD - OCTOBER 24: Le'Ron McClain #33 of the Baltimore Ravens runs the ball against the Buffalo Bills at M&T Bank Stadium on October 24 2010 in Baltimore Maryland. The Ravens defeated the Bills 37-34. (Photo by Larry French/Getty Images)




If the Baltimore Ravens (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/baltimore-ravens) cannot figure out a way to retain free agent fullback LeRon McClain (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/16642/leron-mcclain), the Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/kansas-city-chiefs) might be more than willing to take him off of our hands. Thinking of pairing him with RB Jamaal Charles (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34464/jamaal-charles), McClain would be a solid one-two punch for the Chiefs an would also save wear and tear on the smaller but shiftier Charles.


In a story by Aaron Wilson of the Carroll County Times, referenced by SB Nation (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/7/25/2293082/nfl-free-agency-rumors-leron-mcclain-ravens-chiefs), it is reported that McClain will not be pursued by the Ravens, thus letting him test the free agent market. The Chiefs do have a FB on the team, but the combination of McClain outside and Charles inside fits rght into their offense, who focuses on the run setting up QB Matt Cassel (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1659/matt-cassel) for the pass.


The loss of McClain along with RB Willis McGahee (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1884/willis-mcgahee) will leave huge holes to fill in the Ravens rush offense. However, starter Ray Rice (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34930/ray-rice) still will continue to get the bulk of the carries, but the team remains undecided who will complement Rice and spell him enough to limit the beating he could take as a full-time featured back in the Ravens offense.



Can't find anything on Snelling, right now

[TopekaRoy]

From the Portland Examiner (http://www.examiner.com/oregon-ducks-football-in-portland/former-oregon-dt-brandon-bair-signs-with-kansas-city-chiefs) ...

The NFL lockout is over, and teams are now able to sign all the undrafted free agents who have been without work since graduating from their respective schools. On Tuesday, Brandon Bair signed with the Kansas City Chiefs, making him one of five Oregon graduates to join NFL teams in the past 24 hours.


At 6-7, 272 pounds, Bair will have to add a bit more bulk to be successful in the NFL, but joining Kansas City's 3-4 defense should bode well for him, giving him the flexibility to play both at the defensive end and outside linebacker positions. Bair played defensive tackle for the Ducks, but he was built for Oregon's speed, making him extremely versatile.

Full Story (http://www.examiner.com/oregon-ducks-football-in-portland/former-oregon-dt-brandon-bair-signs-with-kansas-city-chiefs)

[Ryfo18]

I wouldn't be discouraged by the lack of action by the Chiefs (to this point) in Free Agency. Consider this:

Next year Dwayne Bowe, Brandon Flowers, Tamba Hali, and Brandon Carr will all be free agents...With a decent amount of room under the salary floor, I wouldn't be surprised if Pioli's #1 priority is getting these guys signed long term. That's my hope at least.

[Jrudi]

Edwards to the panthers on a 3 year deal... Pioli is going to have to get on his horse today and get a NT...

Color me a little worried..

Teicher: Ron Edwards Signs With Carolina Panthers « Arrowhead Addict | A Kansas City Chiefs blog (http://arrowheadaddict.com/2011/07/27/teicher-ron-edwards-signs-with-carolina-panthers/)

Looks more likely that A. Franklin from San Fran may be a top priority.

[TopekaRoy]

5 minutes ago (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/15361738) - by Bob Gretz - Chiefs in no hurry to signTamba Hali (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/15361738)
Signing OLB Tamba Hali (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/player/412000/tamba-hali) quickly is not likely to be a priority for the Chiefs. Hali finished last season with both shoulders being injured. Even if the team’s franchise player was on board, he’d likely be held out of the early practice work as a precaution. Chiefs RapidReports (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/KC)

They put a "franchise" tag on him, but they aren't in a hurry to sign him!? I guess that makes sense ... kinda.

[TopekaRoy]

This looks very promising...

7 minutes ago (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/15361759) - by Craig Morgan - Breaston likely gone; next stop, Kansas City? (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/15361759)
The Arizona Republic, citing an unnamed source, reports WR Steve Breaston (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/player/407024/steve-breaston) will not return to the club next season. Multiple published reports have linked Breaston with the Chiefs and former Cards OC Todd Haley, who is now K.C.'s coach. Cardinals RapidReports (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/ARI)

[stadw0n306]

This looks very promising...

Hopefully it gets done.

:chiefs:

[TopekaRoy]

A quick update on my original post (since this forum only allows post editing for 10 minutes!)


NT Ron Edwards (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2363/ron-edwards) - signed by Panthers (3yrs $8.25 million)
DE Shaun Smith - Working towards deal (link (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/07/26/3039231/chiefs-come-to-terms-with-wiegmann.html)) Chiefs reportedly interested in resigning him (link (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/7/27/2297001/chiefs-trying-to-bring-back-dt-shaun-smith-s-jon-mcgraw))
WR Terrance Copper (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2008/terrance-copper) - signed (unoficiallyl link (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/07/26/3039231/chiefs-come-to-terms-with-wiegmann.html))
C Casey Wiegmann (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2412/casey-wiegmann) - signed
S Jon McGraw (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1486/jon-mcgraw) - working towards deal (unofficially link (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/07/26/3039231/chiefs-come-to-terms-with-wiegmann.html))
LB Charlie Anderson (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2701/charlie-anderson) -
WR Kevin Curtis (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1310/kevin-curtis) - Chiefs have right of first refusal
CB Travis Daniels (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2504/travis-daniels) - signed (unofficially link (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/07/26/3039231/chiefs-come-to-terms-with-wiegmann.html))
LB Mike Vrabel (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1709/mike-vrabel) - Retired linebackers coach for Ohio State University
FB Tim Castille (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/16614/tim-castille)
OT Ryan O'Callaghan (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1694/ryan-o-callaghan)
LB Corey Mays (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1687/corey-mays)
TE Leonard Pope
C Rudy Niswanger (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2389/rudy-niswanger) - not sure if he'll return (link (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/7/26/2294993/rudy-niswanger-kansas-city-chiefs))
QB Brodie Croyle (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2361/brodie-croyle)

Right Tackle: Doug Free (Dallas), Jermon Bushrod (new Orleans)

Nose Tackle: Aubrayo Franklin (San Francisco)

Offensive Tackle: Jared Gaither (Baltimore)
Running Back: Le'Ron McClain (Baltimore)
Wide Receiver: Steve Breaston (Arizona) - signed (5yrs $9 million)

Undrafted Free Agents signed: Auburn CB Demond Washington, Virginia Union OT David Mims, Tennessee-Chattanooga OL Chris Harr, Texas A&M DT/DE Lucas Patterson, UNC OT Mike Ingersoll, Central Connecticut WR Josue Paul, Oregon DT Brandon Bair, USC OL Butch Lewis, Temple LB Amara Kamara and Michigan State TE Charlie Gantt.

I will update this list periodically as events transpire.

[TopekaRoy]

Six Things To Remember About Chiefs Undrafted Free Agent Signings




1. You know how Chiefs GM Scott Pioli discovered Kamara? He was scouting Temple DT Muhammad Wilkerson and this linebacker kept popping onto the screen and making plays. I'll go into a little more detail on that story once things slow down. It's interesting.
2. DT Lucas Patterson out of Texas A&M is the only sorta, kinda local connection with the Big 12. I was hoping to get another local guy in there.
3. Three offensive tackles in this group. I don't think that means anything as far as what the Chiefs will do in veteran free agency but it's interesting to note considering they have only three offensive tackles under contract for 2011.
4. OT David Mims seems to be getting the most hype out of these guys. I've seen his name thrown around on some of these scouting websites as a guy that is -- buzzword warning -- very "raw" and has lots of "potential".
5. Does anyone know what Scott Pioli's connection to WR Josue Paul is? Both alums of Central Connecticut.
6. The Chiefs first showed interest (http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/jul/27/ex-moc-harr-gets-kansas-chiefs-deal/)in OL Chris Harr after his 2010 season opener. Five other teams were in on him. from Arrowhead Pride (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/7/27/2298866/chiefs-undrafted-free-agent-signings)

[DMN]

A player that I am high on if not for depth only is Alan Branch from AZ. Listed at 6'6" 338lbs he is 26 and registered 35 tackles 2 sacks 2 forced fumbles and 4 stuffs... and he is listed as 2nd string on AZ depth chart. I think this guy has potential and would cost us half as much as franklin. Just food for thought.

[chief31]

I hope the fact that the Chiefs let Edwards go is an indication that they will sign
Aubreyo Franklin. You can't expect Powe, a 6th round pick to start right away. If the Chiefs do get Franklin, I'll be very happy with this move.

I will miss Ron Edwards.

I spent quite some time down on his abilities, and slowly became rather impressed as he continually improved, even with the strange circumstances that we put him through.

I wish him the best with Carolina.

But, having said that, his absence definitely brings some uncertainty to our NT position for this season.

And, just as TopekaRoy, and others, have mentioned, I think this move feeds my desire to get a proven NT like Franklin to secure our defensive line.

But I will not be losing my mind if we trust what we have at NT. I am sure Romeo will take the position seriously.

[DMN]

Agreed... A healthy Jackson can have Shaun Smith line up at NT with Torribio and Powe to spell... We have added Bailey so with Dorsey Jackson Gilberry and Bailey we have depth to rotate at end.

But I am tellin you guys to check out Alan Branch from AZ. This guy is going to be a beast... he is a free agent and posted similar stats last season as franklin and is listed as 2nd string. Not to mention he is 26 and franklin will be 31.

[chief31]

Agreed... A healthy Jackson can have Shaun Smith line up at NT with Torribio and Powe to spell... We have added Bailey so with Dorsey Jackson Gilberry and Bailey we have depth to rotate at end.

But I am tellin you guys to check out Alan Branch from AZ. This guy is going to be a beast... he is a free agent and posted similar stats last season as franklin and is listed as 2nd string. Not to mention he is 26 and franklin will be 31.

All I know of Branch is that he was supposed to be a high first round pick a few years ago, and slipped into the top of the second round.

His stat line looks pretty solid for 2010. ( Alan Branch, NT for the Arizona Cardinals at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/player/alanbranch/2495561/profile) ) Especially for a backup. But as far as his actual abilities on the filed, I just haven't seen him play.

However, DH sees a whole lot of Arizona Cardinals football, so he may have a more insight about his play than most of us, and definitely more than I have.

DH.....

What are your thoughts on Alan Branch as a NT?

[Drunker Hillbilly]

All I know of Branch is that he was supposed to be a high first round pick a few years ago, and slipped into the top of the second round.

His stat line looks pretty solid for 2010. ( Alan Branch, NT for the Arizona Cardinals at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/player/alanbranch/2495561/profile) ) Especially for a backup. But as far as his actual abilities on the filed, I just haven't seen him play.

However, DH sees a whole lot of Arizona Cardinals football, so he may have a more insight about his play than most of us, and definitely more than I have.

DH.....

What are your thoughts on Alan Branch as a NT?
I've seen him play a lot and he is a back up for a reason. While he had his best year in '10 because Calais Campbell was injured quite a bit, he is still only a back up in my mind. I don't have his stats in front of me but he probably only has 3 or 4 sacks and 50 -60 total tackles in 4 years. Every year he has had a weight problem which is one reason Whisenhunt wasn't all that high on him. He did trim down to a slim 340 or so towards the end of last season however. He seems to get knocked down more than I would like therefore not making him very disruptive at the line. It started out looking as though he was going to be injury prone playing only 15 games in his first 2 years. Yes he started as a rookie in '07. I don't know that this guy brings anything that we don't have now to that position. It would have to be on the cheap for me to take a look at him....

[DMN]

I've seen him play a lot and he is a back up for a reason. While he had his best year in '10 because Calais Campbell was injured quite a bit, he is still only a back up in my mind. I don't have his stats in front of me but he probably only has 3 or 4 sacks and 50 -60 total tackles in 4 years. Every year he has had a weight problem which is one reason Whisenhunt wasn't all that high on him. He did trim down to a slim 340 or so towards the end of last season however. He seems to get knocked down more than I would like therefore not making him very disruptive at the line. It started out looking as though he was going to be injury prone playing only 15 games in his first 2 years. Yes he started as a rookie in '07. I don't know that this guy brings anything that we don't have now to that position. It would have to be on the cheap for me to take a look at him....

Good lookin out man... I like his size and the fact that he is entering his "prime" with 4 years experience... But have no tape on him. He did play all 16 games in 09 and 10... and the increase in stats in 2010 had me fooled a little I guess... Like maybe a breakout coming.

The more I think about it I just do not see the front office giving Franklin a big contract... which I have to say may not be a bad thing. I know powe is just a rookie but I don't think that will stop him from seeing significant playing time...
Kendrick Lewis comes to mind last season... 5th rounder who looked like might need some development but came in a did what I thought for a rookie a great job.

[Seek]

Agreed... A healthy Jackson can have Shaun Smith line up at NT with Torribio and Powe to spell... We have added Bailey so with Dorsey Jackson Gilberry and Bailey we have depth to rotate at end.

But I am tellin you guys to check out Alan Branch from AZ. This guy is going to be a beast... he is a free agent and posted similar stats last season as franklin and is listed as 2nd string. Not to mention he is 26 and franklin will be 31.

Not sure what people see in Jackson other than him standing straight up and seeing him flailing around like he is being held. Chiefs defense did better when he was hurt and out of the rotation last year.

[Seek]

Do you all know what pains me? Watching the excuse of a team called the Raiders beat the leaving crap out of our offensive last year, followed up with a beating by the Ravens. Our D line and O line was average maybe at best. If our team is to even compete against the Raiders this year we have to improve at those positions. NOT STATUS Quo... Improve. We are not playing a weak schedule this year. This same cup cake Offensive line and D_line is not going to cut it if we want to compete.

The biggest holes are obviously NT, and O-line. Bolster these positions now while we have the cap space, and lets not assume that some back up is going to magically improve during an off season that is short.

I love the Breaston signing, but it does no good if the Raiders are killing Matt before he can throw the ball.

Do you know Cassel was the #1 QB last year with Throw Aways. He did this to prevent the sack as he was the #1 sacked Qb the year before. Fact of the matter, Cassel and Charles hid the deficiencies of this offensive line. They couldn't do that against good defense lines.

[DMN]

I have to agree with you here... I don't understand why we aren't at least rumored to be after some NT and O-Line prospects... But it is still early.

The argument can be made that Matt has 2 new targets to throw to which should help him get rid of the ball... I would be interested in a stat as to the average time a QB held the ball each play... I can only imagine Matt would be up there.

I am not ready to give up on TJ yet.. he has been in the league 2 years... and injured the majority of the second. Our O-line could definately use some upgrade but there is one thing that really stands out.....

Pass ranking - 30th in the league... with concerns to Matt not making decisions, holding the ball too long, playing ultra conservative, and having a WR corps so bad that we used a 1rst round pick on instead of other key positions and many team analysis had us as having WR be our biggest need... I mean for gods sake we sign Kevin Curtis going into the playoffs...

and now..

Rush ranking - 1rst in the league.... I simply cannot believe that this would be possible without a solid front line... in fact its just not. So our guys up front are doing something right.

Bottom line is that I completely agree that we are not super Bowl caliber.... yet. I will stand by a front office that went from 2-14 seeming as if there were no hope to 2 years later winning the division. Rome wasn't built in a day.. and this great team is young... really young.

I think scheming and a more aggressive strike first passing mentality is going to show just as much effective as signing OL free agents. And with the offseason priorities our front office has shown I can only believe we are to do just that.

[josh1971]

Do you all know what pains me? Watching the excuse of a team called the Raiders beat the leaving crap out of our offensive last year, followed up with a beating by the Ravens. Our D line and O line was average maybe at best. If our team is to even compete against the Raiders this year we have to improve at those positions. NOT STATUS Quo... Improve. We are not playing a weak schedule this year. This same cup cake Offensive line and D_line is not going to cut it if we want to compete.

The biggest holes are obviously NT, and O-line. Bolster these positions now while we have the cap space, and lets not assume that some back up is going to magically improve during an off season that is short.

I love the Breaston signing, but it does no good if the Raiders are killing Matt before he can throw the ball.

Do you know Cassel was the #1 QB last year with Throw Aways. He did this to prevent the sack as he was the #1 sacked Qb the year before. Fact of the matter, Cassel and Charles hid the deficiencies of this offensive line. They couldn't do that against good defense lines.

So, (From another thread):

Four offensive linemen were among the 10 rookie free agents signed by the Chiefs today.
The offensive linemen are Chris Harr (6-feet-6, 260 pounds, Tennessee-Chattangooga), Mike Ingersoll (6-5, 300, North Carolina), Butch Lewis (6-5, 295, Southern California) and David Mims (6-8, 335, Virginia Union).
Two defensive lineman join the group: Brandon Bair (6-7, 272, Oregon) and Lucas Patterson (6-4, 295, Texas A&M).
The others are tight end Charlie Gantt (6-5, 260, Michigan State), linebacker Amara Kamara (6-1, 240, Temple), wide receiver Josue Paul (6-1, 190, Central Connecticut) and defensive back Demond Washington (5-9, 182, Auburn).

We are reported to be looking at NT Franklin from SF, we drafted Powe, Rodney Hudson (OL) and Alan Bailey (DL). We are also reported to be looking at OT guys from Dallas and somewhere else.

So... Sounds to me like the front office is aware that our trench guys need help/support/upgraded. And drafting Justin Houston is going to aid the DL as well. Our linebacking corps now has Hali, DJ, and Houston at least.

Hopefully all this pans out.

JB

[DMN]

This isn't really relative but definitely not new thread worthy, but if anything might reiterate how well pioli and co work...

With the Kolb trade to AZ for Rodgers-Cromartie AND a 2nd round pick again makes me ecstatic with the value of picking up Cassel and Vrabel for just a 2nd rounder. Kolb has potential for sure... But Cassel was a pro bowl QB with a sorry WR corps. This year is gonna be big!!

In Pioli I trust.....

[Jrudi]

Just keeping people posted on Franklin. I know we have been wanting to see some news or hints that he may be coming here. Just read this on NFL.con

Jason La Canfora (http://blogs.nfl.com/category/jason-la-canfora/)
Market for defensive tackles slowly forming (http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/07/28/market-for-defensive-tackles-slowly-forming/)

Posted: July 28th, 2011 | Jason La Canfora (http://blogs.nfl.com/author/jasonlacanfora/)
Many of the top free agents at defensive tackle are still available, and the market for their services has been slow to form, according to agents and general managers to whom I’ve talked.
The top available players – Cullen Jenkins, Aubrayo Franklin and Brandon Mebane — have yet to agree to terms, while Haloti Ngata has yet to work out a new deal with the Ravens that gets him off the franchise tag.
It’s clear that teams have been hesitant to wade in too deeply to this point. Jenkins is being pursued by Dallas and New Orleans, according to league sources, while Franklin is expected by many to land in Kansas City. Seattle has put offers in front of Mebane before and after the lockout, but nothing is imminent at this point.


Denver, St. Louis, Cleveland and Chicago also are shopping for defensive linemen, but they could end up making more bargain plays in the market. On that level, Saints DT Anthony Hargrove and Colts DT Dan Muir are garnering attention.

[chief31]

I've seen him play a lot and he is a back up for a reason. While he had his best year in '10 because Calais Campbell was injured quite a bit, he is still only a back up in my mind. I don't have his stats in front of me but he probably only has 3 or 4 sacks and 50 -60 total tackles in 4 years. Every year he has had a weight problem which is one reason Whisenhunt wasn't all that high on him. He did trim down to a slim 340 or so towards the end of last season however. He seems to get knocked down more than I would like therefore not making him very disruptive at the line. It started out looking as though he was going to be injury prone playing only 15 games in his first 2 years. Yes he started as a rookie in '07. I don't know that this guy brings anything that we don't have now to that position. It would have to be on the cheap for me to take a look at him....

I knew you'd be the guy to ask about a Cardinal, being down in the desert.

Thanks.

Sounds like he would be a bit of a risk, and might have an unreasonable pricetag with the statline from 2010.

By the way, you did have his stats in front of ya. I gave ya a link. ( Alan Branch, NT for the Arizona Cardinals at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/player/alanbranch/2495561/profile) )

You should work on learning to use your PC. :lol:

I tease. :bananen_smilies046: But anyway...

Thanks again for the scoop on Branch.

I had a feeling that struggling to win a starting job on the Arizona defense was a bad omen.

[hometeam]

mark my words, leron mcclain will be a chief

[Drunker Hillbilly]

I knew you'd be the guy to ask about a Cardinal, being down in the desert.

Thanks.

Sounds like he would be a bit of a risk, and might have an unreasonable pricetag with the statline from 2010.

By the way, you did have his stats in front of ya. I gave ya a link. ( Alan Branch, NT for the Arizona Cardinals at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/player/alanbranch/2495561/profile) )

You should work on learning to use your PC. :lol:

I tease. :bananen_smilies046: But anyway...

Thanks again for the scoop on Branch.

I had a feeling that struggling to win a starting job on the Arizona defense was a bad omen.
Ya I knew you linked it up but I was too lazy to look at it.

[DMN]

mark my words, leron mcclain will be a chief

I am going to second that... Read reports and then checked for proof myself.

He has started following JC, S Breaston, and most importantly the chiefs PR (Josh Looney) on twitter in the last day.

Coincidence? think not.

[OTR Chiefs fan]

Definitely love the Breaston signing. That should give Cassell another legit target on the outside and defenses can't just key on Bowe. :yahoo:

[rodu]

I saw on another board that Moeaki is going on the PUP list, any truth to that?

[RusLwt001]

I am not getting the feeling the Chiefs are in this FA game. Players are walking out the door and no signs of replacements? News out of KC is slow and weak. Any new rumors?

[Seek]

Here is FACT for you. Free agency started immediately. There was no period for the team to sign rookies, no slotof time to sign their own players, and no slot of time to sign Free agents. It was Here you go, sign away and get to camp.

How do you prioritize this? It takes time to work out the contracts for all the rookies, and signing playres. It is not as simple as printing a form and signing it.

I firmly the belive the Chiefs have a plan. They most likley already have something in the works for NT, and O line etc...

for instance Wallace Gilberry tweeted the other day that I guess he has to play the waiting game as he is not getting any love. Five hours later he said, everything was good he just needed to open his eyes.

Someone from the Chiefs probably called him and said. Gilby... We have all this stuff we have to do. Since we have a Restricted Tender on you, you are a lower priority. If a team is willing to offer you a contract and give us a second we will match it, other wise, let us work on the deals we have less control over and we will take care of you when the time is right.

I strongly believe the Chiefs would not have let Ron Edwards or Shaun Smith walk if they didn't already have a plan to proceed without them.

So far, there has really been no significant player to sign that has been on the radar. Franklin is still ou there, as well as many offensive linemen.

Please be patient. I strongly believe Pioli knows what he is doing, the time schedule just has not allowed him to show all his cards.

[#58ChiefsFan]

Franklin and McClain will be Chiefs by the end of the day

[ctchiefsfan]

Lets also keep in mind that both Pioli and Haley seem to prefer to do things in private rather than in the media glare. I suspect that they are doing everything in their power to keep their FA signings secret until they have done everything they want to do.

[Seek]

Franklin and McClain will be Chiefs by the end of the day

There was a lot of Smoke with the McClain deal and it was coming from McClain's side. I think this is a deal that will be done.

There is a lot of Naitonal Smoke with Franklin and the fact he is not visiting other teams makes me think it could be a done deal too.

If Franklin signs with a different team then I will begin to get concerned.

[Jrudi]

I am going to second that... Read reports and then checked for proof myself.

He has started following JC, S Breaston, and most importantly the chiefs PR (Josh Looney) on twitter in the last day.

Coincidence? think not.

Agreed! here's the news that you just posted.

Check this report (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/7/29/2302948/nfl-free-agency-rumors-leron-mcclain-chiefs) out!

[TopekaRoy]

Agreed! here's the news that you just posted.

Check this report (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/7/29/2302948/nfl-free-agency-rumors-leron-mcclain-chiefs) out!

That's all good stuff but still just rumors. Teams can officially start signing FAs at 5:00pm central. I think a lot of these deals (including McClain) are already worked out but just haven't been disclosed yet.

I'm pretty sure we'll get McClain. not sure about Franklin, but hopeful. Tonight's gonna be nuts. there will be lots of big news and lots of head scratching. I'll bet.
http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2011/07/10.jpg

[ctchiefsfan]

I'm hoping we'll be hearing tonight about some things that haven't even been hinted at. Pioli seems to like to do things in secret. I'm hoping he's going to be rolling out some secrets for us tonight.

[Jrudi]

Yeah I was talking to my brother, and he said that he had heard the whole thing about The Chiefs more than likely have made some big play's in FA but since they do keep everything so secretive, they haven't announced it yet, due to it not being official until tonight (EX: Brandon Stokely to the Redskins)

High Hopes but it would be awesome if we found out we landed McClain, Franklin, and Justin Blalock from ATL. I would be celebrating like crazy if we did!

If we could land those 3 I would honestly give us a good shot of winning the division again, Without, I would be worried (could still have a winning season, just be a little tougher.)

[TopekaRoy]

Good article from KCChiefs.com

Why Haven’t The Chiefs Confirmed Reported Free Agent Deals? (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Why-Haven%E2%80%99t-The-Chiefs-Confirmed-Reported-Free-Agent-Deals/7afa866b-1516-4780-83c0-5d0ea23bde9b)



“What we’ve done consistently since we’ve been here is when we get pen to ink, you will get the names and we’re hoping, based on physicals and actually signing the deals we’ll have some names for you,” Pioli said.


The Chiefs are simply waiting to confirm signings once they physically occur. In the meantime, enjoy the madness.


Patience is a virtue ...

[Seek]

Yeah I was talking to my brother, and he said that he had heard the whole thing about The Chiefs more than likely have made some big play's in FA but since they do keep everything so secretive, they haven't announced it yet, due to it not being official until tonight (EX: Brandon Stokely to the Redskins)

High Hopes but it would be awesome if we found out we landed McClain, Franklin, and Justin Blalock from ATL. I would be celebrating like crazy if we did!

If we could land those 3 I would honestly give us a good shot of winning the division again, Without, I would be worried (could still have a winning season, just be a little tougher.)

Until you hear these players have signed with other teams, I am not getting worried.

[Jrudi]

Until you hear these players have signed with other teams, I am not getting worried.

I know I think that's why I am excited, because I can't find any information on all 3 of these guys.

I know how quiet Pioli keeps things, so it makes me wonder that maybe we got them since I can't find any news on them anywhere.

just a couple of hours...

[ctchiefsfan]

just a couple of hours...

And I am going to be at work....:thumbdown:

[Seek]

I know I think that's why I am excited, because I can't find any information on all 3 of these guys.

I know how quiet Pioli keeps things, so it makes me wonder that maybe we got them since I can't find any news on them anywhere.

just a couple of hours...

add in the fact that he let our supposed back up plans walk, with Edwards and Smith.

I am fairly certain McClain is done. Just to much smoke to not have a fire.

[chief31]

The Falcons have both of their OTs out there as UFAs.

http://www.nfl.com/player/harveydahl/2506225/profile (http://www.nfl.com/player/harveydahl/2506225/profile)

http://www.nfl.com/player/tysonclabo/2505707/profile (http://www.nfl.com/player/tysonclabo/2505707/profile)

I think either could play a very big part in improving our offense.

The offense has been extremely successful in Atlanta the past couple of seasons.

Dahl is listed as having allowed only five sacks in his last three seasons (39 starts).

And Clabo has been staple of that offense for every game of the past three seasons, having started in all of them.

Atlanta has had success running and throwing in the recent era. I would be pretty happy to hear either one of these guys coming to KC.

NFL.com news: Three Falcons among top free-agent offensive linemen (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820ea76c/article/three-falcons-among-top-freeagent-offensive-linemen#photo=2)

[DMN]

The Falcons have both of their OTs out there as UFAs.

http://www.nfl.com/player/harveydahl/2506225/profile (http://www.nfl.com/player/harveydahl/2506225/profile)

http://www.nfl.com/player/tysonclabo/2505707/profile (http://www.nfl.com/player/tysonclabo/2505707/profile)

I think either could play a very big part in improving our offense.

The offense has been extremely successful in Atlanta the past couple of seasons.

Dahl is listed as having allowed only five sacks in his last three seasons (39 starts).

And Clabo has been staple of that offense for every game of the past three seasons, having started in all of them.

Atlanta has had success running and throwing in the recent era. I would be pretty happy to hear either one of these guys coming to KC.

NFL.com news: Three Falcons among top free-agent offensive linemen (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820ea76c/article/three-falcons-among-top-freeagent-offensive-linemen#photo=2)

Clabo has resigned with Atlanta and Dahl has signed with St. Louis...

Would have been nice for sure though. Jared Gaither is still out there but the fact Baltimore has not resigned him and oakland is the only one showing interest intrigued me so I did a little research...

Rams continue to add pieces to the puzzle - St. Louis Rams - bnd.com (http://www.bnd.com/2011/07/30/1804939/rams-continue-to-add-pieces-to.html)

Clabo's five-year deal worth $25 million » Knoxville News Sentinel (http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/jul/30/clabos-five-year-deal-worth-25-million/)

and

Ravens Insider: Report: Raiders talking to Jared Gaither - Baltimore Ravens news, schedule, analysis and opinion - baltimoresun.com (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2011/07/report_raiders_talking_to_jared_gaither.html)

Sooooo I am pretty sure gaither is not on piolis radar at all but you never know. I think this weekend we will hear some news for sure. We have got our in house guys back on the field for the most part... ( minus Carr, Gilberry , and B Rich) but they are all on tender... so they aren't going anywhere.

[josh1971]

Just a question on McClain? With McCluster and Jones- why are we so hot after a RB? Not being snarky, I just don't know much about McClain.

[rodu]

He's a FB that can be used as a RB both running and receiving. Jones is long in the tooth and McCluster is a special package guy

[chiefsrule]

Do you all know what pains me? Watching the excuse of a team called the Raiders beat the leaving crap out of our offensive last year, followed up with a beating by the Ravens. Our D line and O line was average maybe at best. If our team is to even compete against the Raiders this year we have to improve at those positions. NOT STATUS Quo... Improve. We are not playing a weak schedule this year. This same cup cake Offensive line and D_line is not going to cut it if we want to compete.

The biggest holes are obviously NT, and O-line. Bolster these positions now while we have the cap space, and lets not assume that some back up is going to magically improve during an off season that is short.

I love the Breaston signing, but it does no good if the Raiders are killing Matt before he can throw the ball.

Do you know Cassel was the #1 QB last year with Throw Aways. He did this to prevent the sack as he was the #1 sacked Qb the year before. Fact of the matter, Cassel and Charles hid the deficiencies of this offensive line. They couldn't do that against good defense lines.

You saw the exact same thing I did. The o-line is average we just happen to have a RB with explosive speed that gets by defenders before they can get there. Most RBs get tackled. Thomas Jones was proof of that he couldn't get anything going. And teams seem to run on us with ease. If we don't sign players like Blalock and Franklin on OL and DL I agree with you that these players that have seen their better days or players that might do something at a cheap price won't cut it. We have the young players in place if we want to get serious about the Super Bowl the window of oppourtunity is now. Cassell might be here a couple more years and Charles might be the same if you look at the average life of a RB in the NFL these days. I think some great players on OL a DT and another good safety and we might be talking serious contenders. Signing cheap players to get us by and we look forward to the draft next year AGAIN.

[Hayvern]

Why have we not seen the inking of deals for both Hali and Carr? Are they working out with the team right now? I don't think so. I would have thought those two would have been no brainers and should have been done already.

[Jrudi]

Why have we not seen the inking of deals for both Hali and Carr? Are they working out with the team right now? I don't think so. I would have thought those two would have been no brainers and should have been done already.


I think it is a high priority and I'm sure they are in the works, but I would imagine that the condensed time frame to sign FA's has bumped up signing FA's from other team in the priority rankings.

Plus both aren't going anywhere. Hali has been franchised, and Carr has a 1st round tender to his name. I would imagine they will get to work shortly on wrapping up their contracts. (As far as I know Hali should be in camp..Unless he is holding out... He is considered under contract for this year, now Carr may not be since he is considered a Restricted FA.)

Also saw a post about someone not knowing much about Leron McClain. Dude is a stud. He's a FB that can run like a Tailback. If we landed him it would be awesome, we would have one of the best young FB's in the league opening up holes for Jamaal Charles. and He would take over btwn the tackles form TJ, and can catch out of the backfield as well. Definitely a huge upgrade from both Cox and Castile, I can only imagine the holes JC would have if he had a decent Fullback like McClain in front of him. I hope we land him!

[pojote]

I think it is a high priority and I'm sure they are in the works, but I would imagine that the condensed time frame to sign FA's has bumped up signing FA's from other team in the priority rankings.

Plus both aren't going anywhere. Hali has been franchised, and Carr has a 1st round tender to his name. I would imagine they will get to work shortly on wrapping up their contracts. (As far as I know Hali should be in camp..Unless he is holding out... He is considered under contract for this year, now Carr may not be since he is considered a Restricted FA.)

Also saw a post about someone not knowing much about Leron McClain. Dude is a stud. He's a FB that can run like a Tailback. If we landed him it would be awesome, we would have one of the best young FB's in the league opening up holes for Jamaal Charles. and He would take over btwn the tackles form TJ, and can catch out of the backfield as well. Definitely a huge upgrade from both Cox and Castile, I can only imagine the holes JC would have if he had a decent Fullback like McClain in front of him. I hope we land him!

JC is a run-behind-blocks RB, then explodes his speed. A good blocker means even more yards.

[captainamerica]

Just a question on McClain? With McCluster and Jones- why are we so hot after a RB? Not being snarky, I just don't know much about McClain.
He's a young fullback that's already made it to the pro bowl twice in his career. He's versatile and can play HB if need be and is good on short yardage and goaline situations. He even scored 10 tds in a season not too long ago. He's a beast and has played on a good winning team with a great coaching staff, so he brings a winning attitude with him. Picking him up would be a great signing.

[jason1981]

it doesnt matter if hali or car signs the tendurs yet cuz they cant practice till thursday either way.

[Seek]

If anyone was still interested in Franklin, He is supposedly talking to San Fran about a new contract.

[josh1971]

He's a young fullback that's already made it to the pro bowl twice in his career. He's versatile and can play HB if need be and is good on short yardage and goaline situations. He even scored 10 tds in a season not too long ago. He's a beast and has played on a good winning team with a great coaching staff, so he brings a winning attitude with him. Picking him up would be a great signing.

Coolness- thanks for the info, because I knew absolutely NOTHING about the guy, but now it makes sense to snag him. I hope we do.

[Jrudi]

Speaking of McClain...

Has anyone heard any updates about us bringin him on??

[pojote]

McClain is a Chief (twitter sources)

[rodu]

Have we gotten Houston signed yet?

[#58ChiefsFan]

Negative Ghostrider here's the latest info from ESPN

What's keeping Justin Houston from camp? - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/42840/whats-keeping-justin-houston-from-camp)

[KristofLaw]

We should look at Lofa Tatupa, regardless of his recent injuries. I don't know what type of money he is after but we got some for a short-term deal with the man. Well worth the risk and if nothing more should provide depth at our LB core. He remains in the top ten (6) over at Walter Football (http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2011ILB.php) for free agent LBs.

[Canada]

Im sure its up somewhere, but Houston is signed.

[Canada]

If we are getting a FA LB, I would love to get Channing Crowder!!

[Seek]

Im sure its up somewhere, but Houston is signed.

Yes, and all I hear is how noticeably out of shape he is. They say he so winded that he has to take a knee after each drill and is always taking his helmet off. They are surprised Hailey has not set him aside like he did his first year under the FAT and out of shape people and make him work on conditioning before playing.

[ctchiefsfan]

Yes, and all I hear is how noticeably out of shape he is. They say he so winded that he has to take a knee after each drill and is always taking his helmet off. They are surprised Hailey has not set him aside like he did his first year under the FAT and out of shape people and make him work on conditioning before playing.

Any links on that? Not doubting you, just bad news is more palatable when it comes with some backup.

[Seek]

Any links on that? Not doubting you, just bad news is more palatable when it comes with some backup.

It was on the radio last week. Not sure which one but I tend to think it was 810 sports. I believe it was the Friday practice.

[ctchiefsfan]

It was on the radio last week. Not sure which one but I tend to think it was 810 sports. I believe it was the Friday practice.

OK....Being from Ct and not following KC radio, I have to accept that at face value.....Hope it is another case of the media getting things wrong.

[josh1971]

The media gets things wrong?

[ctchiefsfan]

Errr....Ummmm.....when don't they?

[Seek]

OK....Being from Ct and not following KC radio, I have to accept that at face value.....Hope it is another case of the media getting things wrong.

Why they get that wrong. It was live radio saying he is noticeably out of shape.

I guess they could have got the wrong guy and it was someone else taking a knee after every drill and taking off his helmet.

I guess they could be lying just to make a story. I think they actually made the comment that Houston is Huffing and Puffing to a tune he isn't used to puffing.....

[Canada]

The media gets things wrong?:koolaid:

[Chiefster]

:koolaid:

:lol::lol:

[Jrudi]

I'm sure it's a mix of the media blowing things up, and Houston being a rookie (I'm sure every rookie gets a wake up call when it comes to conditioning in the NFL, from what I've hear, there is a HUGE step in the conditioning levels from College to the pros. There was another post on here saying Baldwin was out of shape but then I read somewhere that Bill Muir was really happy with Baldwins performance so far.. who knows.)

Houston is going to catch flack from the media until he proves his worth. With the whole failed drug test at the combine, and his slide at the draft he has a steep hill to climb to get the media off his back.

I think we shouldn't read much into that until we see his play on the field.

[josh1971]

What I can't figure, and Houston's only one example of this, is when these guys coming out of college have a shot to get into the NFL, and they either:

a. Allow themselves to get out of shape- damaging their chances.
b. Go nuts, smoke weed, act like fools, and damage their chances.

I don't know much about Justin Houston as a guy, but if you get drafted by an NFL team, and you *know* because of everyone saying it that it's going to be rough to transition- wouldn't you step up your game? I mean, we're talking about potential for millions of dollars for earning.

I hope for the best for him- he seems like a very talented linebacker.

[ctchiefsfan]

What I can't figure, and Houston's only one example of this, is when these guys coming out of college have a shot to get into the NFL, and they either:

a. Allow themselves to get out of shape- damaging their chances.
b. Go nuts, smoke weed, act like fools, and damage their chances.

I don't know much about Justin Houston as a guy, but if you get drafted by an NFL team, and you *know* because of everyone saying it that it's going to be rough to transition- wouldn't you step up your game? I mean, we're talking about potential for millions of dollars for earning.

I hope for the best for him- he seems like a very talented linebacker.

I certainly agree with you josh1971....

But....From your profile, I have to assume you are at the very least in your early 40's. So you have been around. Probably been kicked around a bit too. A little older. A little wiser.

Now imagine you're a young kid....late teens early 20s. Probably from a blue collar background (at best).

Football was a way to afford college and while you certainly dreamed of the NFL (didn't we all?) you never really thought too seriously about it (except while you were partying as a freshman or sophomore)

And then in your junior and senior year people start seriously talking NFL and then the agents are calling you and whispering those magic words...."Multimillion dollar contract".

Remembering just what a dumb SOB I was in my late teens and early 20s I don't have a hard time seeing how some of these kids do really stupid stuff.

Houston has proved that maybe he is perhaps a little more young dumb and full of cum than some of them, but now it is up to Haley and the Veterans to smarten him up quick.

What separates the men from the boys is which ones that arrive at training camp and say "HOLY SHIP!!!! This is a gift from God! I better get smart and take advantage of it!"

Those are the ones we want.

The high draft picks are all entitled to a "pass" for being "young, dumb and full of cum"....right up until they report for training camp. It's how they act from then on that really matters.

I think Haley and our veterans will smarten him up pretty quick. We've got good coaching staff and a good mix of vets and young guys and IMO that's what really decides how the rookie kids turn out.

[chief31]

Excellent response, Ctchiefsfan.


What I can't figure, and Houston's only one example of this, is when these guys coming out of college have a shot to get into the NFL, and they either:

a. Allow themselves to get out of shape- damaging their chances.
b. Go nuts, smoke weed, act like fools, and damage their chances.

I don't know much about Justin Houston as a guy, but if you get drafted by an NFL team, and you *know* because of everyone saying it that it's going to be rough to transition- wouldn't you step up your game? I mean, we're talking about potential for millions of dollars for earning.

I hope for the best for him- he seems like a very talented linebacker.

I too agree with you.

But I do realize how easy it would be to fall into a position like that.

Early twenties, maybe you swear off of all drugs, knowing how it can affect your future. But do you completely swear off of all social activities?

Some will feel like quitting all drugs and getting to bed early would do the trick. But, if you are at a small party, and Mary Jane is there too, she can leave a mark on your blood. (It's a thirty day stain.)

Or, if you allow yourself to have a few drinks, even just once, then we all know that alcohol lowers one's inhibitions. And the result could be making alcoholo-based decisions.

Hard to believe that someone would gamble a million dollar career on something like that.

But alcohol, which most would agree is ok, encourages people to do really stupid things.

That......

Or he just got real stupid. :lol:

[Canada]

Seems like this is all speculation to me.

[chief31]

Seems like this is all speculation to me.


Yep. Nothing wrong with speculating, if you ask me. :D

[Canada]

Yep. Nothing wrong with speculating, if you ask me. :D I didn't. I just got the impression that sort of thing is not welcome here.


...or perhaps just my speculation. Who knows?

[OPLookn]

I didn't. I just got the impression that sort of thing is not welcome here.


...or perhaps just my speculation. Who knows?

Speculation on speculation? We just went to a whole new level.

If we're throwing out theories... My guess is that life has always been easy for Houston. No one's ever told him no because he's the star of the program and he'll be "going to the next level".

With that comes a certain amount of arrogance and thought that they're untouchable. He got his first smack of the real world at the draft when his failed drug test shot him back two rounds.

Holding out a bit to get more isn't anything new and I won't speculate on if it was drugs or purely wanting more money...which is a form of drug so if it was just drugs. :lol:

Either way, Haley doesn't have a problem cutting someone from the 3rd round although I have a feeling he'll get a pass despite what Haley is probably telling him. Regardless, as the saying goes...Houston, it's time to man up!