CHIEFS vs BUCS Preseason Game Thread

[matthewschiefs]

ITS TIME AGAIN FOR CHIEFS FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:chi efs3:

[azchiefsfan]

I'll watch the first half, paying particular attention to the O and D line.

[AussieChiefsFan]

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[spiman]

:booyah: :SmokinBanana: Such a deal The Chiefs are on local tv out here. YEA and so it begins..

[matthewschiefs]

Here We Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TopekaRoy]

I don't like hearing that Haley is concerned about players showing up to camp out of shape. Just because you can't work out with the team doesn't mean you can't get in shape on your own.

[TopekaRoy]

I HATE the new 35 yd line kickoff rule! Bad decision to take the ball out.

[TopekaRoy]

O line looked kind of porous that series but it's only the first preseason game ...

[matthewschiefs]

Defense looked sorta confussed there the joys of preseason football lol

[matthewschiefs]

O line looked kind of porous tha series but it's only the first preseason game ...

Yeah and field postion didn't help that drive at all either

[matthewschiefs]

Bad field position again hopefully we can see Cassel get some throws in this drive.

[AussieChiefsFan]

good stop on 4th

[matthewschiefs]

well thats not good

[AussieChiefsFan]

dammit :(

[matthewschiefs]

see what the red zone defense can do here.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Gotta force a field goal

[AussieChiefsFan]

I was imagining a sack then but no :(

[TopekaRoy]

Defense just let Josh prance into the endzone!

[matthewschiefs]

Not a good start lets see if they can get it together.

[azchiefsfan]

The secondary did everything it could. That D line dropped the ball again.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Thomas Jones have i mentioned we love you :)

[matthewschiefs]

Jones looking good so far.

[TopekaRoy]

TJ looking good. (of course. He's an Ex-Bear!)

[AussieChiefsFan]

2nd fumble :(

[TopekaRoy]

Ball came out before knee was down. Another turnover!

[matthewschiefs]

Slopy start lots to work on to clean up in pratice this week

[AussieChiefsFan]

so frustrating

[azchiefsfan]

Battle looks real bad.

[AussieChiefsFan]

He's got way too much time to throw

[matthewschiefs]

well at least the d got it together to force a field goal

[TopekaRoy]

Finally, good pressure and good coverage on that third down pass.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Good stop on 3rd and short

[spiman]

This game has become ugly Time for some beer

[TopekaRoy]

Battle looks real bad.
I don't think he'll see the field much unless Charles or Jones gets hurt.

[slc chief]

Conservative

[matthewschiefs]

time to see the battle for backup qb.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Good 1st down throw by palko

[TopekaRoy]

Now we start throwing and we're moving the ball! LOL

[matthewschiefs]

The list of guys not playing on defense might just be why they have had all day to throw. Lets hope that when they get back going in the games the pressure on the qb gets much better.

[#58ChiefsFan]

I hate Howie Long.





That is all.

[matthewschiefs]

I hate Howie Long.





That is all.


I agree

:raisux:

[TopekaRoy]

The list of guys not playing on defense might just be why they have had all day to throw. Lets hope that when they get back going in the games the pressure on the qb gets much better.
Yeah. The defense looks alright considering it's mostly our 2nd string vs. their first string. This game doesn't mean much. I'm more concerned with the first string offense not moving the ball, (except for Jones).

[slc chief]

to be honest the bucs look alot more in shape and ready for this practice game.i get it dont get the starters injured.but damn throw the ball.put some kind of life on the field

[iratefan]

hey fellas. that time of year again. this game looks terrible so far. looks like tampies throwin their starting line in there though and we threw in the noobs :p. anyway cant really gwt that upset ocer a preseason game but this is looking pretty low energy so far. a couple nice runs by jones (good to see the duck n weave actually work farther than the scrimmage line). eerything else is looking sloppy weve got a lot of work to do in a short amnt of time. of course its a diff game with bowe n charles in.

[matthewschiefs]

Yeah. The defense looks alright considering it's mostly our 2nd string vs. their first string. This game doesn't mean much. I'm more concerned with the first string offense not moving the ball, (except for Jones).

I really don't think we even care about this game. we Didn't even give Charles a carry or even throw a pass to Bowe. I think we are just trying to get through this one.

[slc chief]

3 and out wtf

[iratefan]

nice quick reads and passes by palko. tucker cmon man youve gotta hold onto those.

[TopekaRoy]

hey fellas. that time of year again. this game looks terrible so far. looks like tampies throwin their starting line in there though and we threw in the noobs :p. anyway cant really gwt that upset ocer a preseason game but this is looking pretty low energy so far. a couple nice runs by jones (good to see the duck n weave actually work farther than the scrimmage line). eerything else is looking sloppy weve got a lot of work to do in a short amnt of time. of course its a diff game with bowe n charles in.
Yeah, it looks like Morris wanted to see where his starters are at, whereas Haley wants to protect his starters and evaluate the backups more. That's why we play 4 preseason games ans none of them count.

[TopekaRoy]

I really don't think we even care about this game. we Didn't even give Charles a carry or even throw a pass to Bowe. I think we are just trying to get through this one.

Exactly right. Haley is treating it like a practice/scrimmage and Morris is treating it like a simulated regular season game at least at the start. I'm Okay with that.

[TopekaRoy]

ha ha. The announcer just said what I just posted (about Haley) almost word for word!

[TopekaRoy]

That was an ugly punt (non-)return!

[matthewschiefs]

Exactly right. Haley is treating it like a practice/scrimmage and Morris is treating it like a simulated regular season game at least at the start. I'm Okay with that.

I am fine with it to. Think they have to see some action at least next week. But can't say I am to worried about it.

[matthewschiefs]

That was an ugly punt (non-)return!

Our returns have been HORRIBLE tonight. Wouldn't mind seeing Mccluster back in that role.

[#58ChiefsFan]

R2 P2 play calling?

[iratefan]

lmao poor palko. hes thinking... how the f do i dodge this three buccaneer trainwreck about to sandwich my ***? this is ugly **** wven for the backups...

[TopekaRoy]

That should have been a fumble, but at this point I'd rather just take the safety.

[TopekaRoy]

I love Josh Freeman (no homo!) - smart, articulate, talented and a Wildcat to boot!

[#58ChiefsFan]

Do wee see Stanzi start the 3rd?

[TopekaRoy]

Do wee see Stanzi start the 3rd?
That would be my guess. Sadly, I'll still be watching!

[TopekaRoy]

Good goal line stand by Chefs backups.

[matthewschiefs]

well thats a half to forget lol

[matthewschiefs]

First time this season
SACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

[AussieChiefsFan]

Maybe this sack is the beginning of a better half

[TopekaRoy]

Nice sack by Cole!

[Coach]

For those home gamers,

TB 15
KC 0

Halftime.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Another TD :(

[loyalchief91]

I know it's preseason, but we look terrible and unprepared. I am not satisfied

[matthewschiefs]

Not a good night but in a few weeks we will be undefeated again. They got to put a lot more effort in the rest of the preseason games. Don't think they were in the one to win it at all.

[loyalchief91]

Almost a nice catch by Baldwin

[matthewschiefs]

I know it's preseason, but we look terrible and unprepared. I am not satisfied

They look like they just don't give a damn. I am not that worried I doubt that in a real game we wouldn't have played all our starters and not give charles a carry or even throw a pass towards bowe. But next week they HAVE to put more effort into it.

[TopekaRoy]

That looked like a catch by Baldwin to me.

[matthewschiefs]

That looked like a catch by Baldwin to me.

It was a great effort but hes got to hold onto it after he hits the ground. The whole Cavlin Johson rule from last season came in to play there. But encourging to see a rookie give that effort.

[AussieChiefsFan]

That looked like a catch by Baldwin to me.

I agree

[AussieChiefsFan]

They need to make more 3rd down stops

[AussieChiefsFan]

This is pretty painful to watch. But i think Pioli and Haley werent trying to win in the first place

[matthewschiefs]

This is pretty painful to watch. But i think Pioli and Haley werent trying to win in the first place

I agree at least Haley was not worried about winning this one. Can't say I 100% blame him but some effort into winning would have been nice to see.

[TopekaRoy]

Lawrence has looked pretty good tonight,

[TopekaRoy]

Foul!

[matthewschiefs]

Lawrence has looked pretty good tonight,

Yes he has. 1st game on defense looks pretty good hopefully he can add some depth to the defense.

[matthewschiefs]

That was a STUPID play there. Gives us 15 yards.

[iratefan]

wtf is snapping the ball for stanli? i admit im liking that kid more than palko by a mile but whomevers snapping the ball is doing a worse job than highschool ball.

[TopekaRoy]

wtf is snapping the ball for stanli? i admit im liking that kid more than palko by a mile but whomevers snapping the ball is doing a worse job than highschool ball.
Stanzi looked good at the beginning, but now he's getting no blocking and none of the receivers are getting open. I think he's playing with a lot of 4th stringers now. (Guys that won't make the team.)

[matthewschiefs]

Well we got through this game. Better see a lot more effort towards winning next week or i will start to be worried.

[loyalchief91]

Getting shut out is never good.

[kcnation]

This is pretty painful to watch. But i think Pioli and Haley werent trying to win in the first place



weather they were trying to win or not,they looked awful.i know its preseason but this was a terrible showing for us.once again we are vunerable against the pass 5-7 yards down the middle.we had to address that and it shows we didn't

[DMN]

A bunch of overplaying reads on the defense it seemed. I felt like I watched players trying to make the team than to play as a team.... if that makes any sense. Ha.

Nonetheless we have a lot of work to do but rest easy and know that we saw hardly any of our starters and the most bland basic play calling that we could have... and the bucs just teed off on us on D.

[matthewschiefs]

weather they were trying to win or not,they looked awful.i know its preseason but this was a terrible showing for us.once again we are vunerable against the pass 5-7 yards down the middle.we had to address that and it shows we didn't

It didn't help matters any that the QBS had WAY to much time to throw the football. Hopefully with Hali Dorsey and Gregg in there that is better and the QBs will be under pressure. But it showed there is much to work on.

[Sick Dog]

It was nice to see a practice televised...

[azchiefsfan]

I think we can relax. Haley told the announcers yesterday that this was going to be a practice game and he was not using it to gauge how ready we are. He said he just wanted a few starters to go out and get a feel for the tempo. What I am concerned about is the fact that TB knew this and was going out for blood. I am angry that their coach would approach the game like that and that our coach would leave our guys vulnerable like that.

[#58ChiefsFan]

I think we can relax. Haley told the announcers yesterday that this was going to be a practice game and he was not using it to gauge how ready we are. He said he just wanted a few starters to go out and get a feel for the tempo. What I am concerned about is the fact that TB knew this and was going out for blood. I am angry that their coach would approach the game like that and that our coach would leave our guys vulnerable like that.

I wouldnt put much blame on coach Morris, he is prepping his team as well and cant be expected to change his philosophy just because our team isnt ready. I dont think the bucs exactly played a lights out game, we were just that bad.

[TopekaRoy]

When I watch a preseason game, I'm mostly concerned with how our starters look against their starters. Since many of our starters didn't even play I learned very little there.

My secondary concern is the backups. Since they will be on the field when starters need to rest or if someone gets injured, I want to see them do well. This was a mixed bag. I saw some good and some very bad, but it was hard to get an accurate read since much of the time our backups were facing their starters.

I don't really care about our 3rd and 4th stringers since most of those players won't even be on the team when the regular season starts.

The preseason is rarely an accurate guage of how well a team will play in the regular season. It's a chance mostly for coaches to evaluate "borderline" players to decide will stay and who will be cut. The third preseason game is the only one that tells you much about the team and then only until the starters are taken out which is usually after the first or 2nd drive of the 2nd half.

The Colts usually do poorly in preseason. Last year the Bears went 0-4 in the preseason and finished the year with the best record in the NFC. The Chiefs clearly identified some areas that they need to work on (hanging on to the ball, kick/punt returns, blocking) but don't read too much into this one game, especially with the shortened preseason and the expanded (90 player) preseason roster. Losing always sucks, but this loss doesn't count. Let's work the bugs out now, so we are ready when it does count.

[TopekaRoy]

Here is a good recap of the game from The Associated Press via ESPN. Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Kansas City Chiefs - Recap - August 12, 2011 - ESPN (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=310812012)

I found the following especially interesting:

Kansas City had barely worked out in pads, and coach Todd Haley decided not to scrimmage during camp, wary that too much hitting too early might result in unnecessary injuries.

It wasn't much surprise the Chiefs looked unprepared.
Matt Cassel (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8644/matt-cassel) didn't throw a pass. Running back Jamaal Charles (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11307/jamaal-charles) didn't have a carry. Wide receiver Dwayne Bowe (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10467/dwayne-bowe) didn't make a catch -- all for the most part by design.

Defensive end Tamba Hali (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9606/tamba-hali), who signed to a five-year, $60 million deal in training camp, looked awfully good standing on the sideline. Receiver Steve Breaston (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10585/steve-breaston), cornerback Brandon Flowers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11269/brandon-flowers), defensive end Glenn Dorsey (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11239/glenn-dorsey), tight end Tony Moeaki (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13289/tony-moeaki) and linebacker Derrick Johnson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8430/derrick-johnson) also didn't play.I just want to see improvement in weeks 2, 3 and 4. Remember it's not where you start. It's where you finish. (Just ask the Packers!)

[matthewschiefs]

When I watch a preseason game, I'm mostly concerned with how our starters look against their starters. Since many of our starters didn't even play I learned very little there.

My secondary concern is the backups. Since they will be on the field when starters need to rest or if someone gets injured, I want to see them do well. This was a mixed bag. I saw some good and some very bad, but it was hard to get an accurate read since much of the time our backups were facing their starters.

I don't really care about our 3rd and 4th stringers since most of those players won't even be on the team when the regular season starts.

The preseason is rarely an accurate guage of how well a team will play in the regular season. It's a chance mostly for coaches to evaluate "borderline" players to decide will stay and who will be cut. The third preseason game is the only one that tells you much about the team and then only until the starters are taken out which is usually after the first or 2nd drive of the 2nd half.

The Colts usually do poorly in preseason. Last year the Bears went 0-4 in the preseason and finished the year with the best record in the NFC. The Chiefs clearly identified some areas that they need to work on (hanging on to the ball, kick/punt returns, blocking) but don't read too much into this one game, especially with the shortened preseason and the expanded (90 player) preseason roster. Losing always sucks, but this loss doesn't count. Let's work the bugs out now, so we are ready when it does count.


I agree this isn't that big of a deal. This offseason was all messed up due to the lockout. Why take the risk of loseing a guy on a game that won't count next month. If they were not ready for the hits then it was a smart move but they better be ready quick. I do think that you do need some preseason action to be ready for the real games. Hopefully we see a much more prepared team next week.

[TopekaRoy]

... they better be ready quick. I do think that you do need some preseason action to be ready for the real games. Hopefully we see a much more prepared team next week.

I agree. The starters will play next week, probably for about a quarter, and we will get a much better feel for where they are at. They will still play a very bland vanilla offense and defense, but that's what coaches want to see in the preseason. They want to evaluate the basics - blocking, tackling, running throwing and catching. I think Haley will work them hard this week and we'll see much more "fight" in them. It's a process and I think they will be ready on week one of the regular season.

[tornadospotter]

I liked how we approached this game. I saw a lot of names I did not recognize, and even liked what I saw from some of them. All in all, it was a great first scrimmage for the Chiefs.

[ctchiefsfan]

I may be all wrong on this one, but if my memory serves me, some of our worst preseasons have turned into some of our best regular seasons.

Buffalo and Detroit will tell us a whole lot more than 20 preseason games would.

[Xploder]

I dont sweat this game much! i still believe!

[AkChief49]

I liked how we approached this game. I saw a lot of names I did not recognize, and even liked what I saw from some of them. All in all, it was a great first scrimmage for the Chiefs.
They did up the roster to 90 for training camp. This game was used as an assessment of what we have, and not getting anyone hurt.

[chiefnut]

bottom line, missing 3 starters from "O" line, 1RB, 1 FB, 1 WR, 4 from the "D", limited play by the rest...this should have been expected and totaly irrelevant to what the final version of the 2012 CHIEFS will look like.