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matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 12:55 PM
It's for real this time

GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:05 PM
Here We Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:06 PM
NOT the way to start the season at all.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:07 PM
perfect omen to a terrible season. fumble on opening return.

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:09 PM
And now berry is hurt great just freaking great could this start any worse?

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:11 PM
And now eric berry shaken up.

A big thanks btw to the folks in the 'wheres a streaming link' to proving up some working links ^_^.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:12 PM
matt - the games still early, plenty more to still go wrong :/

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:13 PM
Horrible start at least berry came back and wasn't hurt to bad.

loyalchief91
09-11-2011, 01:13 PM
Wow we ****ing suck

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:14 PM
Looks like Arenas failed on coverage. I think that was his guy.

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:14 PM
matt - the games still early, plenty more to still go wrong :/

And plenty more can go right. Lets just hope that's the only thing that does go wrong today.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:15 PM
that may have been the most pathetic season opener ive witnessed in some 15+ years of almost any team. :S

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:16 PM
matt - lets hope that we got that crap out of the way now :) still, one always hopes to open a new season and not slap their forehead saying "oyyy its the chiefs again"

azchiefsfan
09-11-2011, 01:16 PM
Well, ESPN was right about the D line having trouble putting pressure on QB's.

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:17 PM
That's a stupid rule they don't get penlized basicly at all for there foul

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:18 PM
wow nice pope, makin the rest of the guys on the field look freaking TINY!

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:21 PM
teehee - cassel doin his 'overthrown' thang - and then holds on to the ball for a sack. :(

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:22 PM
The ds got to step up on this drive. I don't like how this is going so far. LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN 3 and OUT

loyalchief91
09-11-2011, 01:22 PM
Not good not good at all. Pass protection is ridiculous

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:25 PM
Is Berry having some serious issues or what? second time down on the field in the first half of the first quarter!

loyalchief91
09-11-2011, 01:25 PM
Not a fan of this run defense either.. Berry hurt AGAIN

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:28 PM
finally some sort of containment. Hali gettin some spotlight in the game

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:28 PM
come on D get off the field

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:29 PM
Now lets just hope the offense gets going here.

loyalchief91
09-11-2011, 01:30 PM
3 and out !

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:32 PM
berry leaving the field. cassel has some nice motion but no completion. wheres the run game?

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:33 PM
now a horrible punt can anything eles go wrong?

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:34 PM
terrrrribleeeee calllll - that fooled noone, you cant make that play without getting some bodies out there to block. what are they trying to get charles hurt? id be throwing glass bottles if i were in arrowhead right now

loyalchief91
09-11-2011, 01:34 PM
The Bills are way more prepared for this game then us

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:35 PM
this just looks bad, cant make any tackles on the line, and they bust through for +6 or 7 yards.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:36 PM
holding on hali

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:36 PM
Well at least the D is keeping us in the game right now but we can't keep them on the field the whole game the offense has got to get a drive going.

figcrostic
09-11-2011, 01:36 PM
The Bills are way more prepared for this game then us

That's an understatement we look like we are still preseason mode. We need to establish the run, we are not a pass team, and our O-line still looks terrible (I bet pioli kicking himself he picked up a safety instead of Okung)

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:37 PM
holding on hali

That was big time holding they got away with.

KCraised
09-11-2011, 01:38 PM
Hmmmm, i guess preseason told the story alittle more than people want to admit. Shouldve to gameplan for them alittle more, Haley.
God, I hope Berry isn't hurt seriously

azchiefsfan
09-11-2011, 01:39 PM
I don't know why Buffalo is wasting time throwing the ball. They can get 5-8 yards every carry.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:39 PM
ok - got 3 yards on that but i liked the play - setting up for a big reverse play.

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:40 PM
3 and out again we are going to wear out the d at this rate

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:40 PM
lets not be afraid to run on 3rd downs. too many cassel overthrows on 3rd down.

figcrostic
09-11-2011, 01:40 PM
That was almost an awesome catch

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:41 PM
that was a good redemption punt.

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:42 PM
That was almost an awesome catch

Yes it was to bad almost doesn't get us anything.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:44 PM
ok D - gettin fired up. reminding me a lot of last year so far. D savin O's butthole. lets get another stop on 3rd

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:44 PM
nope - gave up a 3rd and 10'ish. *sigh*

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:45 PM
well this is going horribley

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:46 PM
jesus - somethings never change. getting cut up in the secondary by the bills :(

figcrostic
09-11-2011, 01:46 PM
We are getting beat by one of the crappiest teams in the NFL

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:47 PM
that was a slight pushoff looking at the replay

loyalchief91
09-11-2011, 01:47 PM
hahahahhah wow **** this game I'm out

KCraised
09-11-2011, 01:48 PM
This team is F'ing WEAK

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:48 PM
Charles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

figcrostic
09-11-2011, 01:49 PM
That's the jamaal charles I know

azchiefsfan
09-11-2011, 01:49 PM
Wow getting killed by the Bills. This is hard to watch.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:50 PM
maybe it takes an early spanking by one of the weaker teams in the league to kick us in the nuts and wake the f*** up.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:53 PM
wheres that policemen Chiefs fan guy today? he was all over these threads last season.

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:53 PM
FINALLY offense is showing some life

KCraised
09-11-2011, 01:54 PM
Heyyy, Jones got 1 yd, as usual.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:54 PM
yay a 1st down!

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:55 PM
That almost looked like a horse collar on Jones there.

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:55 PM
Touchdown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:55 PM
here we go, getting some TEMPO, quick and clean.

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:56 PM
This might get reviewed

NKChiefs
09-11-2011, 01:56 PM
Touchdown!!!!!!! :) Go' Chiefs

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:57 PM
wtfpopewasthat!? (btw it appears my stream is behind) - also if thats reviewable, looks like the knee is out

NKChiefs
09-11-2011, 01:57 PM
ah... crap... i hope not :(

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:58 PM
oh wow - announcer has a good point on the toe touch. toe definitey hits first.

azchiefsfan
09-11-2011, 01:58 PM
It'll be overruled.

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 01:58 PM
Damn what eles can go wrong?

NKChiefs
09-11-2011, 01:58 PM
not good....

azchiefsfan
09-11-2011, 01:59 PM
His toe hit first so it should be good.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 01:59 PM
sorry thats bull**** - that was a good catch.

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 02:00 PM
does not look like out day. Everything is going the bills way

NKChiefs
09-11-2011, 02:00 PM
i don't believe it.... sack and missed fg

loyalchief91
09-11-2011, 02:00 PM
****in bull****

iratefan
09-11-2011, 02:01 PM
****ing retarded. cassel needs a coach refresh from last year about how to get MOVING. what a blow hard drive that was. the horse**** carries on this year it seems.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 02:03 PM
we need a turnover. or an angelic intervention. or perhaps a cocaine buffet on the sidelines.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 02:05 PM
hmm. no holding calls so far this game? hmmm.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 02:09 PM
this is just pathetic. no penetration and getting cut up the secondary all day long.

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 02:11 PM
MUST score drive here going into half. WE HAVE TO SCORE to have a shot.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 02:13 PM
matt - yep. This isnt a comeback team. if we dont get something good happening im not going to continue to waste my time watching.

KCraised
09-11-2011, 02:14 PM
OmF'n God

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 02:15 PM
we can only hope that gets overturned

iratefan
09-11-2011, 02:17 PM
we can only hope that gets overturned


yep - our only hope to salvage our dignity at this point.

azchiefsfan
09-11-2011, 02:18 PM
If you lose at home to the 30th ranked team to start the season, you have some serious problems. This is worse than just another loss. Yes, I am officially putting a fork in this m***** f*****.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 02:19 PM
well folks - that was a complete abortion of a season opener. maybe ill catch you all next week. wish you all well.

OMGLadyGaga
09-11-2011, 02:21 PM
Ugh, this is disgusting......Just like last year's season opener when we beat SD, you could kinda tell it was gonna be a special season. This year, I get a sense of what kind of season this is gonna be. Very dissapointing

SIC J
09-11-2011, 02:22 PM
Chiefs need a TD before the half and then need to start playing like they want to be there!!!!

kcnation
09-11-2011, 02:22 PM
i can;t believe how pathetic the chiefs are,preseason was not a fluke,we are really bad this year.i can;t stand this game anymore.sorry people but we are sad this year

azchiefsfan
09-11-2011, 02:23 PM
Let's see Steelers/Ravens or Falcons/Bears.

Yoda
09-11-2011, 02:23 PM
You, Cassel is playing hurt and hurting his team

KCraised
09-11-2011, 02:26 PM
This play calling is s***. Thats why you dont pay a guy
to call plays that never has in his 34 yr coaching career....just sickening

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 02:26 PM
This is starting to look like the offense we saw last year to bad they waited till we were down 20 to show up

KCraised
09-11-2011, 02:27 PM
Preseason DOES show strengths and weaknesses.

SIC J
09-11-2011, 02:28 PM
This is starting to look like the offense we saw last year to bad they waited till we were down 20 to show up

Still a whole 2nd half to play!

KCraised
09-11-2011, 02:29 PM
I need to settle down.....close your eyes, breathhhhhe deep and think happy thoughts....

OMGLadyGaga
09-11-2011, 02:29 PM
The only thing that gives me hope at this point is that we are playing the ******* Bills!!! Against any other team we'd be dead, but getting a touchdown here heading into the 2nd half down 2 scores despite having everything go wrong against a crappy team...we're not dead yet imo

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 02:30 PM
Touchdown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NKChiefs
09-11-2011, 02:31 PM
Finally.... Touchdown......

NKChiefs
09-11-2011, 02:32 PM
Good that they scored before halftime.... will give some confidence....

azchiefsfan
09-11-2011, 02:32 PM
Still a whole 2nd half to play!

Well I suppose they might pull out a decent D line, running game and secondary out of their @$$ after the half. But the 30th ranked team in the NFL would just ***** slap them too.

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 02:39 PM
Well The Chiefs killed themselfs in that half it wasn't anything really that the bills did that got them there lead. But if you keep giving an offense the ball in the redzone it's never good If the Chiefs can cut out the mistakes they can still get back in the game.

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 02:55 PM
Sack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

iratefan
09-11-2011, 02:56 PM
(im not watching, but i still am... i freaking cant help myself).

OMGLadyGaga
09-11-2011, 02:58 PM
It doesn't help that the Bills apparently have the greatest punter in the history of the nfl. Lets go chiefs....need a good solid drive, please!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yoda
09-11-2011, 03:05 PM
Running D looks like crap. Dorsey may be entering bust levels.

figcrostic
09-11-2011, 03:06 PM
I need to get back in shape, I think I could make the team as bad as these guys are playing.

Yoda
09-11-2011, 03:06 PM
If Bills score here it's over.

iratefan
09-11-2011, 03:07 PM
why does crennel hate jamming recievers?

Yoda
09-11-2011, 03:08 PM
That should be reviewed

iratefan
09-11-2011, 03:08 PM
zomg a goal line stand. now do it 2 more times.

figcrostic
09-11-2011, 03:10 PM
That was too easy

Yoda
09-11-2011, 03:10 PM
Over

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 03:10 PM
well this one is over

iratefan
09-11-2011, 03:11 PM
chandler? wide open? noooooo

loyalchief91
09-11-2011, 03:11 PM
This team is a ****in joke

iratefan
09-11-2011, 03:12 PM
sorry but after a game like this for an opener, heads should roll. we'll see how chiefs 'react' next week.

KCraised
09-11-2011, 03:13 PM
Worst team i've seen fielded by the Chiefs in years. I was going to start finger pointing but they all suck, from the general manager to the friggin' waterboy

SIC J
09-11-2011, 03:13 PM
Well I suppose they might pull out a decent D line, running game and secondary out of their @$$ after the half. But the 30th ranked team in the NFL would just ***** slap them too.

Where are you getting 30th ranked? Last year means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Every team starts back at 0 when the season starts.

kcnation
09-11-2011, 03:14 PM
we have no defense what so ever,its terrible

Fastphilly
09-11-2011, 03:14 PM
I am so FUC*IN PISSED right now..When my grey haired granny predicts the TE is going to be thrown to in the end zone then it's time for heads to ROLL!!!

KCraised
09-11-2011, 03:14 PM
Pioli is making Peterson look like a genius

SIC J
09-11-2011, 03:14 PM
Once again the playing calling is horrible.........

Go back to the damn no huddle!

figcrostic
09-11-2011, 03:15 PM
Over

I'm pretty sure the Faiders will get destroyed by the Donkeys!....but hopefully the Faiders kick 5 fg's (I have Janikowski in my fantasy league)

KCraised
09-11-2011, 03:16 PM
Nice playcalling, down by 20....unbelievable

figcrostic
09-11-2011, 03:16 PM
Once again the playing calling is horrible.........

Go back to the damn no huddle!

Chan Gailey is proving Haley wrong!

KCraised
09-11-2011, 03:17 PM
Cassel is an overpaid, overthrowing backup!

Hayvern
09-11-2011, 03:17 PM
Three and out, come on guys

Hayvern
09-11-2011, 03:18 PM
colquitt the first player to hit that guy

figcrostic
09-11-2011, 03:20 PM
Three and out, come on guys

At least we didn't fumble again :lol:

figcrostic
09-11-2011, 03:20 PM
I feel like I'm watching a high school game this is terrible

OMGLadyGaga
09-11-2011, 03:21 PM
ColQUIT has been crap all game, Meh our schedule is ridiculously tough this year and if we can't get past the bills at home..its gonna be a long season :(

Hopefully Bowe can get some grabs/scores in garbage time...for Cassel's and Bowe's confidence..but more importantly for my fantasy team!!

KCraised
09-11-2011, 03:23 PM
Wow, just wait until we play a good team? I wanna change my 4-12 season prediction to 3-13

Yoda
09-11-2011, 03:23 PM
KC will not win the west.

OMGLadyGaga
09-11-2011, 03:26 PM
Sad thing is that we basically had the same team last year no? Barring the changes in the coaching personel and our ridiculously soft schedule....I'm guessing we were a confirmed fraud last year just like everyone though. :( This hurts

SIC J
09-11-2011, 03:27 PM
Cassel is an overpaid, overthrowing backup!

I'm sure the 4 dropped passes including the one in the endzone was his fault too..........

T÷pChiefsFan
09-11-2011, 03:29 PM
Well if the season continues like this I am glad I did not renew Sunday Ticket.

KCraised
09-11-2011, 03:31 PM
Nice read, you backup QB

NKChiefs
09-11-2011, 03:31 PM
this is embarrassing..... what a seson start at arrowhead :(

KCraised
09-11-2011, 03:33 PM
I'm sure the 4 dropped passes including the one in the endzone was his fault too..........
Please, does this look like a leader? I dont care about his season last year, this guy is a fraud

SIC J
09-11-2011, 03:34 PM
Please, does this look like a leader? I dont care about his season last year, this guy is a fraud

I forgot Cassel calls the plays..........

That was me being sarcastic if you couldn't figure it out.

KCraised
09-11-2011, 03:35 PM
And being an elite qb is not just about completing a pass, its alot about being a leader

2010chiefs
09-11-2011, 03:35 PM
wow. Pathetic and emberassing. Cassel needs to go. He really is a back up. Play calling is sht. Tacklng is sht. Gailey is making hailey look like a dumbas for letting him go. Lineman coach calling plays. What a joke.

KCraised
09-11-2011, 03:36 PM
Yes, i could figure that out. Thanks

chief31
09-11-2011, 03:37 PM
Please, does this look like a leader? I dont care about his season last year, this guy is a fraud

You get your logic from Deputy Dawg, or something?

"It doesn't matter that he had a great year last year, because he is not doing great today, thus he is horrible."

Yoda
09-11-2011, 03:39 PM
Can't say I'm not enjoying this

KCraised
09-11-2011, 03:40 PM
You get your logic from Deputy Dawg, or something?

"It doesn't matter that he had a great year last year, because he is not doing great today, thus he is horrible."
Ummmm, thats basically what I said?

chief31
09-11-2011, 03:41 PM
Can't say I'm not enjoying this

At this point, is your presence here anything more than trolling for trouble?

Ryla02
09-11-2011, 03:43 PM
This hurts so bad. The wife finally agreed to let me have the Sunday ticket and we get slaughter at home on week 1. Oh well I love my Chiefs,
GO CHIEFS !!!! :(

chief31
09-11-2011, 03:44 PM
Ummmm, thats basically what I said?

Yeah. No need to bother attempting to install any logic, is there?

KCraised
09-11-2011, 03:44 PM
Ummm, what you had in your quotes is exactly what I said, soooo I dont think to read mine right.
Oh well, barring injury to his ribs again, the next 15 games will say one of us is right. Ill be glad to have my a** served to me on a silver platter on this one but im a realist. Oh well, back to square one.

Yoda
09-11-2011, 03:44 PM
Well, Chiefs fans.....wow

KCraised
09-11-2011, 03:46 PM
Yeah. No need to bother attempting to install any logic, is there?
Yeah, this is an illogical situation...

chief31
09-11-2011, 03:46 PM
Well, Chiefs fans.....wow

We get it.

How about if you don't attempt to pore salt in the wound, hunh?

azchiefsfan
09-11-2011, 03:46 PM
Can one of the mods please finally get rid of the long term troll? Really? We are having a massively bad day and we have to put up with the troll?

Yoda
09-11-2011, 03:46 PM
Steelers got spanked!

SIC J
09-11-2011, 03:49 PM
Ummm, what you had in your quotes is exactly what I said, soooo I dont think to read mine right.
Oh well, barring injury to his ribs again, the next 15 games will say one of us is right. Ill be glad to have my a** served to me on a silver platter on this one but im a realist. Oh well, back to square one.

There's a difference in being a realist and using common logic. NO ONE has ever said Cassel is an elite QB. He is a GAME MANAGER. He did what he could in this game giving the plays he was told to run. In which in my opinion, the calls simply were not very good ones.

chief31
09-11-2011, 03:49 PM
Yeah, this is an illogical situation...

Just because you refuse to think any further than one position on the team does not mean that the whole thing is an enigma.

Did the early pressure on our QB factor in? The horrible defense? The inspired play of our opponent?

No?

It just has to be that the QB sucks?

Try this...

Advance your thinking beyond one player on a 53-man roster.

Xanathol
09-11-2011, 03:50 PM
This is on the coaches and staff.

From philosophy ( true 2 gap 3-4 D without the LBs / DL for it, going to a 2 down lineman set on long yardage downs ) to playcalling ( don't need to elaborate there ) to personnel ( Matt @ QB, no real NT, still a need @ 2 LB spots, etc ). The franchise is in bad shape - gonna be a long season.

azchiefsfan
09-11-2011, 03:51 PM
Poor play calling. Poor execution. Poor planning. Poor adjustments. Could this have been a worse game? Now just think about the fact that this is the 30th ranked team in the NFL.

KristofLaw
09-11-2011, 03:55 PM
This game was bad.

Fastphilly
09-11-2011, 03:55 PM
Our saftey /linebacker play in pass coverage is beyond horrible..I cannot believe we let this bum Chandler destroy us..Did'nt we learn anything from the Todd Heap disaster last year in the playoffs? We better start doing a better job covering TE's or we are in big trouble.

kilobytes
09-11-2011, 04:02 PM
Well, Chiefs fans.....wow

You do not deserve to have the name "Yoda" as your username.

Not a single player on this Chiefs team was ready to play. It's almost all on the coaching staff. Lockout hurt a lot but training camp was a joke.

KCraised
09-11-2011, 04:06 PM
Just because you refuse to think any further than one position on the team does not mean that the whole thing is an enigma.

Did the early pressure on our QB factor in? The horrible defense? The inspired play of our opponent?

No?

It just has to be that the QB sucks?

Try this...

Advance your thinking beyond one player on a 53-man roster.
Well, thank you for your enlightening me on your vast life/football philosophy. Feel alittle little grasshopper from "Kung Fu". If you look back in this thread, i said I wasnt going to point out names but I would just say "they are bad all the way from the general manager to the waterboy. Sounds like i've taken the whole 53 PLUS into account, thank you. But, when I saw Cassel overthrow Like he loves to do when he is throwing downfield, i called him out. He will never lead us anywhere. Print that out, text me week 16, and prove my words wrong. Ive missed one game in all the years ive been a fan. Can you say that? Maybe you can. Ill continue to watch the season just like clock work. Half of this is horrible frustration and the smack in the face we all got today. For that, sorry it put salt in open wounds. But im not going to sugarcoat it like all the "its just preseason"ers. They were all over the a**es of people that took preseason too seriously and were very sarcastic in thier responses.Just because they are chiefs doesnt mean they are grandfathered in. We all want more out of them, of course. But im calling it like I see it and I see Cassel as a decent backup, no more.

dietsch
09-11-2011, 04:12 PM
From the sounds of it, it seems like we just joined the andrew luck sweepstakes!

Ryfo18
09-11-2011, 04:16 PM
From the sounds of it, it seems like we just joined the andrew luck sweepstakes!

This....

OMGLadyGaga
09-11-2011, 04:17 PM
Is it bad that as a die hard Chiefs fan, I'm excited about possibly getting Andrew Luck?

Regardless, I know we all love Haley but eventually he has to bare the responsibility of this team's direction. They are regressing, it doesn't take a genius to know what our strengths and weaknesses are...a coach's job is to mask our weaknesses and playing to our strengths, which admittedly is hard to figure out what exactly our "srengths" are. Just feed Charles the ball 20+ times and keep our defense off the field, its really our only chance. :(

What a crappy day, seriously. Takes all the fun out of opening sunday of the NFL.

chief31
09-11-2011, 04:20 PM
Well, thank you for your enlightening me on your vast life/football philosophy. Feel alittle little grasshopper from "Kung Fu". If you look back in this thread, i said I wasnt going to point out names but I would just say "they are bad all the way from the general manager to the waterboy. Sounds like i've taken the whole 53 PLUS into account, thank you. But, when I saw Cassel overthrow Like he loves to do when he is throwing downfield, i called him out. He will never lead us anywhere. Print that out, text me week 16, and prove my words wrong. Ive missed one game in all the years ive been a fan. Can you say that? Maybe you can. Ill continue to watch the season just like clock work. Half of this is horrible frustration and the smack in the face we all got today. For that, sorry it put salt in open wounds. But im not going to sugarcoat it like all the "its just preseason"ers. They were all over the a**es of people that took preseason too seriously and were very sarcastic in thier responses.Just because they are chiefs doesnt mean they are grandfathered in. We all want more out of them, of course. But im calling it like I see it and I see Cassel as a decent backup, no more.

So, you aren't going to names when you point fingers, except for the guy may be the only player who wasn't horrible?

Oooo. Did he overthrow a pass? Nevermind that he completed two thirds of hi pass attempts, and nevermind all of the big plays that the intended receivers destroyed.

You just make sure not to name names, except to attack the only guy who looked like he belongs on a football field.

And, by all means, continue to think that you are wise while spouting off foolish remarks.

Look.... I don't expect this team to do alot this season.

But I don't point out our QB on a day when everything except for the QB was terrible.

Hayvern
09-11-2011, 04:36 PM
So, you aren't going to names when you point fingers, except for the guy may be the only player who wasn't horrible?

Oooo. Did he overthrow a pass? Nevermind that he completed two thirds of hi pass attempts, and nevermind all of the big plays that the intended receivers destroyed.

You just make sure not to name names, except to attack the only guy who looked like he belongs on a football field.

And, by all means, continue to think that you are wise while spouting off foolish remarks.

Look.... I don't expect this team to do alot this season.

But I don't point out our QB on a day when everything except for the QB was terrible.
Cassel did not look great, but certainly this game cannot be put completely on his shoulders.

There was the drop by Bowe, yet again! McCluster's fumble, but the offense overall was really not the biggest problem.

No, the biggest issue came from the defense, are these defensive players really professionals? There was absolutely no tackling, very little pass rush and the coverage on pass plays beyond atrocious.

3 and out on the offense was bad, but good greif, we got no play from the defense at all.

Conditioning! This team looked like a bunch of 1A college players. Pathetic!

KCraised
09-11-2011, 04:40 PM
So, you aren't going to names when you point fingers, except for the guy may be the only player who wasn't horrible?

Oooo. Did he overthrow a pass? Nevermind that he completed two thirds of hi pass attempts, and nevermind all of the big plays that the intended receivers destroyed.

You just make sure not to name names, except to attack the only guy who looked like he belongs on a football field.

And, by all means, continue to think that you are wise while spouting off foolish remarks.

Look.... I don't expect this team to do alot this season.

But I don't point out our QB on a day when everything except for the QB was terrible.

Lol....foolish remarks...like ill say again, print this out on your computer and we will talk week 16. And rich gannon even said Cassel wasnt handling pressure well. PLEASE dont tell me you think you know more about the qb position than rich Gannon...

KCraised
09-11-2011, 04:43 PM
I would love to make a bet with you bet i never bet against my hometown;)

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 04:44 PM
This game is not a Matt Cassel loss. He put up decent numbers. Was he part of the problem with some overthrows yes. But Matt Cassel didn't fumble the opening kickoff. Matt Cassel didn't fumble and give the bills the ball inside the 25. This was a CHIEFS loss. PLAYERS COACHING STAFF neither did there jobs today. They made themselfs look like a joke with the way they preformed today. I am upset about this loss just like everyone eles but the season is not over. What needs to happen is this team gets pissed off over this loss and make the other teams we play pay for it.

KCraised
09-11-2011, 04:47 PM
Cassel did not look great, but certainly this game cannot be put completely on his shoulders.

There was the drop by Bowe, yet again! McCluster's fumble, but the offense overall was really not the biggest problem.

No, the biggest issue came from the defense, are these defensive players really professionals? There was absolutely no tackling, very little pass rush and the coverage on pass plays beyond atrocious.

3 and out on the offense was bad, but good greif, we got no play from the defense at all.

Conditioning! This team looked like a bunch of 1A college players. Pathetic!

Exceptional post...

azchiefsfan
09-11-2011, 04:48 PM
Cassel wasn't/isn't the problem. So, frankly, I think you KCraised, are out on a limb with a chainsaw, feverishly cutting your own argument in half. Please explain what Cassel did that caused the loss. Let's try this: receivers could not get open and dropped passes. The running game got stuffed and they had no explosive ability. Our secondary could not keep pace with 3rd rate receivers. There was no such letdown by Cassel. He looked bad because no one was helping him. He could've forced passes and turned the ball over a 100 times, but he didn't. He tried to make plays and the skill players let him down. Cassel is our future. Get used to it.

Ryfo18
09-11-2011, 05:04 PM
Cassel was pretty bad today. The INT was horrible, and when he wasn't throwing underneath, his downfield throws weren't even close.

chief31
09-11-2011, 05:08 PM
Lol....foolish remarks...like ill say again, print this out on your computer and we will talk week 16. And rich gannon even said Cassel wasnt handling pressure well. PLEASE dont tell me you think you know more about the qb position than rich Gannon...

You can find former greats saying good and bad things about almost every current player at their position.

My apologies for being rude. Today's game has a lot of us on edge.

And you are welcome to your opinion about Cassel. But, to pick him out, as he was likely the least horrible part of The Chiefs today, seems a little strange to me.

matthewschiefs
09-11-2011, 05:15 PM
Cassel was pretty bad today. The INT was horrible, and when he wasn't throwing underneath, his downfield throws weren't even close.

I won't disagree with you that Cassel wasn't good today. But this loss is not his fault. It's the entire teams. To put this loss on Cassel is a bit of a strech.

Ryfo18
09-11-2011, 05:20 PM
I won't disagree with you that Cassel wasn't good today. But this loss is not his fault. It's the entire teams. To put this loss on Cassel is a bit of a strech.

I'm not putting it on him, but I'm not going to give him a free pass either. That's all. I didn't get to see most of the game b/c DirecTV kept freezing, so I can't say much. That was just one thing I noticed from the game though.

Sick Dog
09-11-2011, 05:33 PM
Fubbalo are you for real oh god they are in trouble at home to boot...so glad I never paid to see that game...I know it only one but god it only gets worse!

jmlamerson
09-11-2011, 05:43 PM
While there's no player without a little blame, this is almost entirely the coaching staff loss, pure and simple. Haley screwed up in preseason, getting Moeaki hurt (playing starters deep in the 4th preseason game!) and focusing on conditioning instead of playcalling. And in this game he quickly got away from our running game (Charles only rushed 10 times, and he had a 5.6 YPA!) and had Cassel (a game manager) throw it 36 times. I get fumbles got us down early, but we're not winning anything if Cassel throws 35+ times. Actually, we're now 0-9 when Cassel throws 35+ times. That isn't who he is.

That said, it wouldn't take a ton to turn us around. Pioli needs to take the offensive playcalling away from Haley, and we need a couple games to gel on the field as we didn't get that chance in preseason. But we have some talent and have very winnable games for the next eight (Detroit, SD twice, Indy, Minny, Oakland, Denver, Miami). If the coaching improves, things will get better.

Also, the Bills are a better team than everyone realizes. If their OL holds up, they can be a wild card team.

Bike
09-11-2011, 05:55 PM
and we need a couple games to gel on the field as we didn't get that chance in preseason.
Keep in mind - neither did the bills....

jmlamerson
09-11-2011, 06:09 PM
Keep in mind - neither did the bills....

Gailey's an offensive genius. He had his team practicing plays and formations the day the lockout ended. He turned Tyler Thigpen and Ryan Fitzpatrick into legit NFL starters.

Haley isn't an offensive genius. He focused on conditioning after the lockout (too late for that) and he handled the preseason games moronically. He's proving that a whole lot of people would look smart if they had Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald, and Anquan Boldin to play with.

In case you can't tell, I'm not overly enthused about the Haley era. For all the **** I gave Herm Edwards, at least he made some good draft picks (better than I realized at the time). Except for Berry, Moeaki (stupid Haley), Asamoah, and Succop, it's not looking too great for the past three draft classes. And, frankly, the jury's still out on those four.

KCraised
09-11-2011, 06:18 PM
Cassel wasn't/isn't the problem. So, frankly, I think you KCraised, are out on a limb with a chainsaw, feverishly cutting your own argument in half. Please explain what Cassel did that caused the loss. Let's try this: receivers could not get open and dropped passes. The running game got stuffed and they had no explosive ability. Our secondary could not keep pace with 3rd rate receivers. There was no such letdown by Cassel. He looked bad because no one was helping him. He could've forced passes and turned the ball over a 100 times, but he didn't. He tried to make plays and the skill players let him down. Cassel is our future. Get used to it.
I NEVER said cassel single handedly lost this! Show me the post. I called out the whole team down to the waterboy. Then, later on, i saw yet another boneheaded cassel play, which he always looks like he is in panic, and said I thought he was an overrated overpaid backup qb, which he is. Quote that. Someone chose to call me out for saying he wasnt an elite quarterback. Well, im sure when Clark Hunt was writing out the monsterous check, im sure his agent referred to him as one on more than one occassion.
The defense couldnt get off the field on 3rd down to save its life. Colquitt scrubbed today (rare), then a missed fg even though it was a 49
Yd attempt, McCluster fumbles, Charles fumbles, special teams sucked, horrible play calling, wrong defensive schemes, etc, etc. Thats about as well rounded blame as I have seen in a longtime. I watched the game, btw. But 2 people picked up on that I pointed out Cassel as a crappy overpaid starter and acted like I said he single handedly lost the game. Im calling it like it is. One thing you are right about, is that we are stuck with him.

KCraised
09-11-2011, 06:21 PM
This game is not a Matt Cassel loss. He put up decent numbers. Was he part of the problem with some overthrows yes. But Matt Cassel didn't fumble the opening kickoff. Matt Cassel didn't fumble and give the bills the ball inside the 25. This was a CHIEFS loss. PLAYERS COACHING STAFF neither did there jobs today. They made themselfs look like a joke with the way they preformed today. I am upset about this loss just like everyone eles but the season is not over. What needs to happen is this team gets pissed off over this loss and make the other teams we play pay for it..
Im totally with you on that post. Every facet of the game was horrid. No bright spots. Im glad the score got ran up at the end. It was such a gawdy number that needed to happen, after the Chiefs showed nothing today. That embarrassment will force changes

bumstah
09-11-2011, 08:09 PM
I missed the game today, but want to ask legitimately: What happened?

Thought for sure KC would take this, even if it was close...

SIC J
09-11-2011, 08:15 PM
I missed the game today, but want to ask legitimately: What happened?

Thought for sure KC would take this, even if it was close...

Complete melt down on all sides of the ball.

doobs_05
09-11-2011, 08:46 PM
This game was so enjoyable, all the donkey fans in the bar just loved this game, my 6-10 prediction may be too high of a prediction.

Please Oakland beat the sh!t out of the donkeys so I don't have to listen to them

Boxermm187
09-11-2011, 09:12 PM
sad day to be a chiefs fan!!!

kcnation
09-11-2011, 09:19 PM
i see a lot of blame being put on cassel,well a bit has to do with him but the real blame has to go on the defense.we had none,it was pitiful,tackleing was very poor,pass rush was nil,defensive backfield was horrid and poor coaching accross the board did not help either.lets hope they just put this one in the past and show up a focused team next week against detroit.we are not that bad i know it,we can't be so lets see what happens next week before we panic.

i know i was negative in some post earlier but i was really frustrated they way they were playing.the bottom line is it is one game and lets just hope its our bomb of the year and its out of the way

Xanathol
09-11-2011, 10:09 PM
Cassel did not look great, but certainly this game cannot be put completely on his shoulders.

There was the drop by Bowe, yet again! McCluster's fumble, but the offense overall was really not the biggest problem.

No, the biggest issue came from the defense, are these defensive players really professionals? There was absolutely no tackling, very little pass rush and the coverage on pass plays beyond atrocious.

3 and out on the offense was bad, but good greif, we got no play from the defense at all.

Conditioning! This team looked like a bunch of 1A college players. Pathetic!
:thumbdown:

Bowe's "drop" was self defense - the only thing that saved his life as Cassel yet again led a receiver right into a path to be decapitated by a safety ( just enough out in front to have to reach for it with your head turned, with a safety coming full steam right at you ). Cassel over threw receivers, was off target in general, stared down receivers, oft stepped into a pass rush, and just generally flat out sucked. The only way one cannot see that is because they don't want to.

The offense kept the defense on the field, so you combine that with poor LB & NT play, completely lacking blitz packages, and this ridiculous 2 DL pass rushing set, and its a formula for failure. But even with all of the defense's downfalls, they were all magnified by an offense that couldn't stay on the field thanks to poor play calling, poor line play and most of all, horrible QB play.

With this kind of performance, you have to seriously question the head coach. After the HC, its the QB and KC doesn't have one. In this league, you will not be a contender without a decent QB.

Chiefster
09-11-2011, 10:53 PM
Complete melt down on all sides of the ball.

Yup; they did NOT earn their salaries today!

KCraised
09-12-2011, 12:21 AM
:thumbdown:

Bowe's "drop" was self defense - the only thing that saved his life as Cassel yet again led a receiver right into a path to be decapitated by a safety ( just enough out in front to have to reach for it with your head turned, with a safety coming full steam right at you ). Cassel over threw receivers, was off target in general, stared down receivers, oft stepped into a pass rush, and just generally flat out sucked. The only way one cannot see that is because they don't want to.

The offense kept the defense on the field, so you combine that with poor LB & NT play, completely lacking blitz packages, and this ridiculous 2 DL pass rushing set, and its a formula for failure. But even with all of the defense's downfalls, they were all magnified by an offense that couldn't stay on the field thanks to poor play calling, poor line play and most of all, horrible QB play.

With this kind of performance, you have to seriously question the head coach. After the HC, its the QB and KC doesn't have one. In this league, you will not be a contender without a decent QB.

Best post of the day

Hayvern
09-12-2011, 12:35 AM
:thumbdown:

Bowe's "drop" was self defense - the only thing that saved his life as Cassel yet again led a receiver right into a path to be decapitated by a safety ( just enough out in front to have to reach for it with your head turned, with a safety coming full steam right at you ). Cassel over threw receivers, was off target in general, stared down receivers, oft stepped into a pass rush, and just generally flat out sucked. The only way one cannot see that is because they don't want to.

The offense kept the defense on the field, so you combine that with poor LB & NT play, completely lacking blitz packages, and this ridiculous 2 DL pass rushing set, and its a formula for failure. But even with all of the defense's downfalls, they were all magnified by an offense that couldn't stay on the field thanks to poor play calling, poor line play and most of all, horrible QB play.

With this kind of performance, you have to seriously question the head coach. After the HC, its the QB and KC doesn't have one. In this league, you will not be a contender without a decent QB.

You don't have to convince me of anything you wrote. Bowe, while he did drop a pass, was not even remotely instrumental in this game, because of the poor defensive play.

Ultimately, I am with you, our coaching staff has never been a favorite of mine. I was a little relieved with Haley last year, but sometimes wonder if what was a product of Charlie Weiss more than Todd Haley.

At any rate, this team was not ready to play this weekend, there is no question about that, neither on offense nor defense, not even on special teams. There is more at issue here than what one week will fix. It will be a bad season I fear.

McD
09-12-2011, 03:18 PM
Don't lose hope, plenty of games left on the schedule.

KCraised
09-13-2011, 12:42 PM
That's the problem, there are TOO many games left...ha
But thanks for the hope;-)

jmlamerson
09-13-2011, 07:34 PM
:thumbdown:

Bowe's "drop" was self defense - the only thing that saved his life as Cassel yet again led a receiver right into a path to be decapitated by a safety ( just enough out in front to have to reach for it with your head turned, with a safety coming full steam right at you ). Cassel over threw receivers, was off target in general, stared down receivers, oft stepped into a pass rush, and just generally flat out sucked. The only way one cannot see that is because they don't want to.

The offense kept the defense on the field, so you combine that with poor LB & NT play, completely lacking blitz packages, and this ridiculous 2 DL pass rushing set, and its a formula for failure. But even with all of the defense's downfalls, they were all magnified by an offense that couldn't stay on the field thanks to poor play calling, poor line play and most of all, horrible QB play.

With this kind of performance, you have to seriously question the head coach. After the HC, its the QB and KC doesn't have one. In this league, you will not be a contender without a decent QB.

You're being unfair to Cassel (though the rest is pretty spot on). Cassel is a good game managing QB. He won't win you many games, but he won't lose you many games either. He's efficient, smart, and a good leader, but he isn't winning a lot of two-minute drills.

He certainly no worse than the likes of Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypian, Trent Dilfer, or Brad Johnson. He's able to manage us to a SB if we have a good enough defense and run game. We don't, obviously, though.