Official Chiefs (0-1) @ Lions (1-0) Week 2 game thread

[TopekaRoy]

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Location: Ford Field Detroit, Mi
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Time: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:00PM CDT TV: Fox Radio: 101 The Fox

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I didn't see and In Game Thread for today's game, so I thought I would start one. Even though I will be away from my computer during the game!

Go Chiefs!:chiefs:

[TopekaRoy]

Calvin Johnson is active for today's game. He will be playing on an injured ankle. Let's hope that slows him down a bit.

[TopekaRoy]

I just noticed the games on CBS, not Fox. Sorry about that.

[matthewschiefs]

Go Chiefs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PawnshopMarimba]

Unfortunately, I think they're gonna kill us. That D line is too good, and Cassel is apparently a scared rabbit in the pocket. The Lions don't have much of a secondary, however. If our line can step up a notch, and if Cassel can stand strong in the pocket, we might stand a chance.

edit: For the poor, out of market, or whatever...

http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/84702/1/watch-detroit-lions-vs-kansas-city-chiefs.html

[iratefan]

lets see how well we've prepared since last week. yes we have some key injuries but these should be no excuse for humiliating losses, particularly against teams with losing records last year. I realize the lions are a team on the turnaround (they looked like they were playing well even last year, just barely losing most games they lost early in the season), this should still be a winnable game for us. However its a road game, and if we dont even show up, i think we can start prepping ourselves for the worst yet to come for the rest of the season. Heres hoping we can turn around a winless season thus far (yes im including preseason).

[matthewschiefs]

there having no problem with the short passing game so far. And the Chiefs are missing some tackles not a great start.

[iratefan]

right off the bat, we're giving receivers freaking 10 yards space. 10 yards space! why cover them at all?

[matthewschiefs]

Maybe that was incomplete?

[iratefan]

who fumbles an interception? seriously!?!?!

[Hayvern]

who fumbles an interception? seriously!?!?!

Jon McGraw? Seriously. And then we lose the challenge.

[KCraised]

Damned holding on Detroit!

[Hayvern]

REFS!!! That holding call and then personal file!

[loyalchief91]

Wow 3 15 yard penaltys ridiculous

[KCraised]

Too easy....

[NKChiefs]

seriously...... :(

[matthewschiefs]

refs put them in the endzone. How do they rip a guys jersey completly off and not get a flag. but we get 3 BS toatal BS

[Hayvern]

Seriously, these refs are out to get the Chiefs today, those fouls, they are overlooking tons of penalties against the Chiefs today

[loyalchief91]

Horrible start to this game

[KCraised]

Man, that was a blatent hold by Detroit

[kcnation]

screw the ruffing the passer,how about the holding penalty,man clearly grabbed jacksons jersey and they look the other way.we can't get any breaks this year,refs are purely against us this season

[azchiefsfan]

The refs have chosen who is going to win this game already. I have watched Hali get TACKLED 3 times from behind so far and no call.

[iratefan]

KCraised - that holding call doesnt get any more blatant than that. if youre not calling that holding, then you never will.

[kcnation]

that was a gift td for detroit,we are not out of this by a long shot,i believe the chiefs are really pissed right now

[matthewschiefs]

that was a gift td for detroit,we are not out of this by a long shot,i believe the chiefs are really pissed right now

I hope there pissed and they have a right to be. Now lets take it out on the lions.

[azchiefsfan]

Watch Hali, he is getting sodomized every play and it is blatant.

[kcnation]

need to answer this score right now

[matthewschiefs]

Good start for the offense lets get a score to answer there cheap td.

[KCraised]

Nice play, give McCluster a running start!

[KCraised]

I see hope!

[matthewschiefs]

Running it down there throats i like it

[kcnation]

good start with the running game,gapeing holes right now

[iratefan]

im way behind on the lag :( - i was going to comment before i saw the offense come on the field that i had wondered if haley made some sort of statement of the lack of potency in his offense by wanting the D to go out on the field first, because he didnt want a 3 and out off the bat to demoralize the team from the get go.

[KCraised]

Omg.....

[matthewschiefs]

CRAP charles is hurt

[iratefan]

solid run by jones, there must have been a pretty obvious hole

[kcnation]

oh no,charles down,we can't lose him now

[loyalchief91]

Damnit

[matthewschiefs]

Are you freaking kidding me there mascot
GEEZE

[KCraised]

Hyperextention?

[iratefan]

oh christ he gets hurt?

[kcnation]

he grabbed his shin,lets hope its nothing serious

[KCraised]

Hyperextension, probably

[kcnation]

wow the cart,no way,uggg

[KCraised]

We are F'd now....thank god we hace McClain

[kcnation]

he is in real pain,this is bad

[iratefan]

i want to puke. this is the worst possible season ever so far.

[kcnation]

does not look good right now for charles,man he was running so good too

[littlekaps]

Hey guys, this is the Lions fan from earlier this week. I REALLY hope Charles is ok. That sucks when a good young player gets hurt. I hope it isn't anything serious, like someone said, a hyperextension.

Man, that sucks.

[KCraised]

Jones looks like he is running with explosiveness and attitude today. I see some McCluster
Magic coming...

[loyalchief91]

Besides the injury, that was a damn good drive..

[loyalchief91]

Good thing we have McCluster tho.. he can be our new Charles lol.

[Miller]

Good thing we have McCluster tho.. he can be our new Charles lol.

Yea, but I don't like how he went down. Going down without being touched is not good

[matthewschiefs]

Good job there by the D. Now lets get the lead offense.

[iratefan]

loyalchief91 - if you recall last season, Charles really stepped up and showed everyone what a gem he was after Mccluster's injury. Hopefully he can step up and fill in for charles in the same way for some reciprocation.

[KCraised]

Offense is looking impressively good, i have to say. Maybe that *** beating did some motivation?

[kcnation]

cassel looking nice today,looks poised and confident

[KCraised]

Agree very much

[matthewschiefs]

Don't like that we keep settleing for field goals. Need to get in the endzone.

[kcnation]

damn,missed an easy FG

[Hayvern]

are you kidding me? throw for 3 yards when you need 6, this is exactly what kills this team

[matthewschiefs]

And now we miss the field goal GEEZE

[loyalchief91]

I'm tired of Succop it's time for a new kicker

[iratefan]

my stream just fastforwarded about 3 minutes, what happened on that drive?

[KCraised]

Well, all for nothing, due to The field goal, but they do look good, offensively

[iratefan]

for D we need to stop giving up + 4 yards after initial contact. getting a bit tired of all the weak tackling attempts.

[azchiefsfan]

Flowers stepping up! Yeah!

[matthewschiefs]

Nice job Flowers. D is doing a good job. We just need to put up a couple of tds.

[kcnation]

Gilberry Nice Pressure

[KCraised]

I think the fight and the burn on the TD has motivated Flowers. Look for a pick by him today...

[AkChief49]

Succop needs to suck it up! a 44 yarder in a dome should be made! points are at a premium here c'mon man!!!!!

[iratefan]

excellent coverage there sir flowers. thats what i remember you doing what you do.

[kcnation]

wow did bowe crush that linebacker

[iratefan]

yay arenas held onto it. for some reason i was a bit nervous there.

[matthewschiefs]

well the run game is still looking good. Lets get 6

[iratefan]

interesting - bowe with the reverse. again im behind on the stream :/

[KCraised]

We need some redzone effectiveness. Always feel like we are gonna have to settle for 3

[loyalchief91]

Good defense.. We need to get it in the endzone too many field goals

[azchiefsfan]

interesting - bowe with the reverse. again im behind on the stream :/


I was having that problem, too. I switched to slipstream-Slipstream is running perfectly today.

http://www.slipstreamtv.com/main.php?id=featured17

[KCraised]

McClain got it in the face...damn

[iratefan]

someone just popped mcclain in the face there, wtf?

[iratefan]

me, 4th and 1, go for it.

[matthewschiefs]

Anther 3 and out D came to play today. Can't keep putting them on the field though

[iratefan]

yay personal foul for falling :/ and they get th ball again. i love this ****ing game!

[Hayvern]

Picatoldya keeps playing too damn deep on these guys

[matthewschiefs]

D didnt let the penalty hurt good job

[iratefan]

nice tackle before the 1st down, what do the lions do?

[iratefan]

stopped for a loss, that penetration was huge!

[matthewschiefs]

Uggg 3 and out that's going to ware down the d.

[Hayvern]

Another screen with no screen, that screen play still does not work

[azchiefsfan]

Can't wait for another personal foul penalty. The refs will not call all the flagrant penalties on Detroit, but call every questionable thing they can against us. It's clear who the refs want to win.

[iratefan]

terrible execution, matt. if youre going to throw a screen you have to lead the man, not throw behind him, forcing him to come back INTO coverage. ridiculous. cant even throw a freaking screen.

[azchiefsfan]

They must have picked up the flag. I'm switching to the Cardinals. The rout has begun. The refs successfully wore out our D.

[Hayvern]

Another burnt safety

[loyalchief91]

Gotta get a touchdown

[KCraised]

Yeah, lack of lead on the screen.....
If we dont put up 7 before the half, we all might as well find something else to do with our afternoon...

[iratefan]

detroid just showed us how a real screen works for 9 yards.

[NKChiefs]

Comon..... i was starting to believe in something today... but the momentum is switching and the refs suck :(

[Fastphilly]

I'm seeing the JLO Fiat commercial more than Cassel's throwing the ball...What gives?

[OMGLadyGaga]

So tight ends are beating Flowers now? Ugh...long season incoming :(

[iratefan]

its just sad to watch. its embarrassing to endure.

[KCraised]

Got lucky on that one, Cassel. Nice underthrow

[iratefan]

sheffler, chandler, feels like freaking de ja vu

[matthewschiefs]

Bowe HAS to catch that. That ones on Bowe

[iratefan]

i missed an entire chiefs possession, was it a 3 and out?

[matthewschiefs]

i missed an entire chiefs possession, was it a 3 and out?

no pass bounced off bowe and got picked after a long pass to bowe and anther short pass to Mccluster

[iratefan]

this is just embarrasing, we have no secondary coverage. we get lucky that throw comes back from a foul

[NKChiefs]

The lions dont have to play.... chiefs do it good enough for them.... damn penalties and bad plays

[iratefan]

more retarded holding . wheres thef ucking flags?

[Fastphilly]

Seeing that big throw on 3-24 leads me to believe just how much our secondary completly sucks.

[KCraised]

Seriouuuuus holding going on and it's happening right under the refs noses!

[KCraised]

Kendrick Lewis is on the hot seat, as far as im concerned...

[iratefan]

Seeing that big throw on 3-24 leads me to believe just how much our secondary completly sucks.


this - it doesnt just suck its freaking horrendous.

omg was that actually a holding call on the lions? well i suppose 1 for 15 on the holding calls aint half bad in the NFL.

[matthewschiefs]

If we can get a td going into half this will still be a game. LETS GO

[AkChief49]

That Is What Is Expected Out Your Kicker! 54 Yds.

[iratefan]

thats right, put some HURT on them *****es (legally)

[matthewschiefs]

That ones 100% on Cassel that was overthrown. GEEZE

[KCraised]

Welcome back, Cassel!!!!

[matthewschiefs]

well this ones over

[iratefan]

this is the sad part about our offense - we cant even give Cassel half the protection time required to throw something long down the field. theres no chance for a quick long score in a minutes time.

[NKChiefs]

Cassel is soooooo bad i dont believe it

[iratefan]

an ad popped up covering my screen so sadly i didnt even get a chance to see how piss poor that interception throw was.

ps - are we still convinced cassel is a great qb? i think itll become quite apparent that without weis he might turn back into a cave troll.

[PawnshopMarimba]

BENCH CASSEL.

He's a friggin idiot. At least give Palko a chance.

[KCraised]

We have been outscored 61-10 this year. Fantastic....

[alexim58]

Maybe it's time to sit down Cassel ..
Yeah I know it's Palko the Backup .. but maybe he will bring some attitude. Anyways if we gonna get kicked maybe we will give Palko a shot.

Im getting so sick and tired about cASSel

[NKChiefs]

BENCH CASSEL.

He's a friggin idiot. At least give Palko a chance.


Yeah.... it cannot get worse

[loyalchief91]

I really do think we are the worst team in football.

[iratefan]

screw palko, i want to see that other kid give it a try. give him a chance to make me remember his freaking name

[chief31]

Cassel is soooooo bad i dont believe it

Yeah. He's thrown three incomplete passes, and two of them go from receivers hands into the defenders' hands, so no QB has ever been so terrible.

[iratefan]

what did i tell you. we cant even give cassel the time required to put it down field. of course he needs to learn to actually throw it when he gets a second after scrambling...

[Hayvern]

did we even have an offensive line on that play?

[Fastphilly]

We are paying this bum $10 million a year plus gave up a second round draft choice to have him hand-off the ball and throw picks? This is clearly Pioli's biggest gaffe up to date at the helm..

[matthewschiefs]

well this is going to be a LONG season. And the way things are going I think we are going to see a new coach in KC next year. Things just are not going our way. This is depressing.

[alexim58]

IMO cASSel it's a System QB, not a Elite, not a Good QB.
Just a average QB who turns into a Nice QB into Pats kinda System that's why Weis make him look a nice QB, was his system not cASSel skills.
Damn .. at least give a fight .. so fu´king mad

[KCraised]

Looks like people are joining the bandwagon...

[matthewschiefs]

Yeah. He's thrown three incomplete passes, and two of them go from receivers hands into the defenders' hands, so no QB has ever been so terrible.



I think the 2nd one was on Cassel the 1st Bowe has to make that catch. But Cassel can't keep overthorwing guys like he has been.

[alexim58]

Tyson Jackson it's seems to be the biggest Pioli's BUST .. but cASSel turn out to be very close to that point.

[NKChiefs]

Yeah. He's thrown three incomplete passes, and two of them go from receivers hands into the defenders' hands, so no QB has ever been so terrible.

I just dont think he can keep "hidding" and keep saying that he needs 12 linemen, and 2 more seconds to throw a long pass.....
Whenever he steps back to throw, you sit back with a bad feeling about where that pass is ending :(
That's not how it should be with a starting QB!

[Fastphilly]

What bandwagon are you speaking of?

[alexim58]

screw palko, i want to see that other kid give it a try. give him a chance to make me remember his freaking name

You mean Ricky Stanzi .. also could be an opcion.

[#58ChiefsFan]

You mean Ricky Stanzi .. also could be an opcion.

inactive today

[KCraised]

I think he is an average qb but he wont be pulled even if it gets alittle worse for him down the road. Due to paying him so much money and Pioli pride. Its ok, this season is cooked so let him open it up and prove he is worth 63 mill. I like how Randy Cross said "he doesnt have a Stafford arm..."...ouch

[KCraised]

What bandwagon are you speaking of?
The bandwagon of more vocal dissatisfaction with Cassel

[chief31]

I just dont think he can keep "hidding" and keep saying that he needs 12 linemen, and 2 more seconds to throw a long pass.....
Whenever he steps back to throw, you sit back with a bad feeling about where that pass is ending :(
That's not how it should be with a starting QB!

Twelve linemen?

So you are suggesting that the five we have are doing a good job?

This is exactly why the typical fan blames the QB for everything bad that happens to a football team.

The masses have no ability to look beyond one player.

"All he does is throw INTs!"

Yet both went off of receivers to get there, and he threw four times as many TDs as INTs last year, and all he does is throw INTs.

Every single ounce of logic disappears when most fans evaluate their team.

[iratefan]

You mean Ricky Stanzi .. also could be an opcion.


thats the kid. He can at least scramble. Hell maybe we need some athletic black dude for QB that can pass, rush, and punt return to boot. Get the freaking Cali whiteboys out of the backfield :P

[azchiefsfan]

Oakland up 21-3 vs Bills. Maybe we are THAT bad. ):

[KCraised]

There was a big stink about me saying Cassel was an overpaid average qb. Heard alot of claims about i was crazy and he was the qbotf. Ummmm....

[alexim58]

I think he is an average qb but he wont be pulled even if it gets alittle worse for him down the road. Due to paying him so much money and Pioli pride. Its ok, this season is cooked so let him open it up and prove he is worth 63 mill. I like how Randy Cross said "he doesnt have a Stafford arm..."...ouch

At least give cASSel a shock, sit him for the rest of the game, may be that will give him a lesson.

So sad we have to start to talk about getting a better QB when he suppose to be the that one.

Well, I hope JC won't loose too many games.

[alexim58]

Maybe Im wrong but ...

What about trading for Jimmy Clausen (seems his days at Carolina are Over ?)

At least he will be chipper than cASSel ...

[iratefan]

2 yard pass play. yay. cassel once again taking 50 steps back , so he was clearly looking downfield. either nothing open or hes no longer confident in throwing anything farther than the line of scrimmage.

[azchiefsfan]

When Charles was in the game, Detroit had to defend the run hard, which opened up the passing. Cassel is now taking all the heat as we have given up a serious run game. Yeah, Cassel just sucks. You Cassel haters really ought to learn a little game called football; it's a team sport and if the team is being shut down, one player can't save it or lose it.

[jmlamerson]

I think the 2nd one was on Cassel the 1st Bowe has to make that catch. But Cassel can't keep overthorwing guys like he has been.

MOST IMPORTANT CASSEL STAT!

Cassel is 0-9 as a Chief when he throws 35+ times.

Cassel is 14-10 as a Chief when he throws 34 or less times.

Cassel is not a guy who will ever win a game on his arm. But he won't lose us games either. He is as good as the team around him, and efficient to a fault.

[iratefan]

do it again on 4th and one haley, what do you have to lose at this point, youre down 17 points.

[Fastphilly]

The bandwagon of more vocal dissatisfaction with Cassel
When you see a sausage shape brown object that stinks and you believe it's a turd then it's a sure bet that it is...There is no bandwagon about it....Either you are blind or a non-Chiefs fan that wants this bum to hang around to hold us back...You sound like a troll.

[alexim58]

Twelve linemen?

So you are suggesting that the five we have are doing a good job?

This is exactly why the typical fan blames the QB for everything bad that happens to a football team.

The masses have no ability to look beyond one player.

"All he does is throw INTs!"

Yet both went off of receivers to get there, and he threw four times as many TDs as INTs last year, and all he does is throw INTs.

Every single ounce of logic disappears when most fans evaluate their team.

IMO QB is often relates to leadership and Cassel clearly is NOT a leader, not the type of QB who can take the whole team over his shoulders. He's a Nice system QB, that it. That's why he works for NE.

Cassel dosen't work out under pressure, look his expresion and he's not that kind of QB that under the darkest times looks a way to be the light at the end of the tunel.

QB it's about execution, could be a simple pass or going deep. Great QB not only Execute at perfection .. they got LEADERSHIP.

[KCraised]

I know this. I was drawn and quartered last week for even uttering a post like you just wrote..lol
I think we are on the same page, my friend....

[Bike]

Cassel is not a guy who will ever win a game on his arm.

Therein lies a HUGE problem for this team going forward.

[loyalchief91]

Another Chief injury...........

[chief31]

MOST IMPORTANT CASSEL STAT!

Cassel is 0-9 as a Chief when he throws 35+ times.

Cassel is 14-10 as a Chief when he throws 34 or less times.

Cassel is not a guy who will ever win a game on his arm. But he won't lose us games either. He is as good as the team around him, and efficient to a fault.

Cassel has won games on his arm. 2008, he was exceptional in a pass-heavy offense. But then, he had an offensive line then.

So, since he can't do what he has proven to be able to do, where did you place all the logic that you removed from that notion?

As for the number of attempts... That is exactly what you would expect from a running offense, isn't it?

You throw the ball a lot when you are losing big?




When you see a sausage shape brown object that stinks and you believe it's a turd then it's a sure bet that it is...There is no bandwagon about it....Either you are blind or a non-Chiefs fan that wants this bum to hang around to hold us back...You sound like a troll.


Or you don't have s*** stuck in your nasal cavity.

27 TD/7 INts.

Are you sure YOU aren't a Broncos fan trying to turn us all against our best players?

[KCraised]

I was bored and looked up the last 8 games (the 8th being today and still obviously going)...COUNTING PRESEASONS) and we have been outscored 212-69. I added preseason, even if they dont count, to point out lack of execution under this regime. Regardless of preseason unimportance, you are trying to get into the endzone. We are starting to forget what that area even looks like....

[iratefan]

no blocking, poor execution, we're beat. the guys are already demoralized.

[azchiefsfan]

I was bored and looked up the last 8 games (the 8th being today and still obviously going)...COUNTING PRESEASONS) and we have been outscored 212-69. I added preseason, even if they dont count, to point out lack of execution under this regime. Regardless of preseason unimportance, you are trying to get into the endzone. We are starting to forget what that area even looks like....

I agree. However, Cassel isn't the problem. His lack of performance is a symptom of a very broken offense, not a bad QB. I am starting to question the ability of Haley as a coach and Pioli to build a team around several superstars. Only game 2, but I am now getting a very sick feeling.

[KCraised]

Another interesting thing...if preseason, you are not worried about winning, we scored 32 points in the 4 preseason games. The last four regular season games, we have scored 27 points. So, we are playing worse than when we are not even trying? Jesus!

[matthewschiefs]

I agree. However, Cassel isn't the problem. His lack of performance is a symptom of a very broken offense, not a bad QB. I am starting to question the ability of Haley as a coach and Pioli to build a team around several superstars. Only game 2, but I am now getting a very sick feeling.


I don't think that Cassel is the problem either. But if this does keep up I think we have to give someone eles a shot. Maybe theres just someone who can better with what we have. I have supported Cassel and am not a Cassel hater but seeing this is what we saw a lot in the preseason and it's not getting much better I think it wouldn't be a bad move. If nothing eles it might light more of a fire under Cassel he gets pissed about being benched for a while and works even harder to get better. I don't think there is anything wrong with takeing a look at someone eles if things don't get better.

[Bike]

I agree. However, Cassel isn't the problem. His lack of performance is a symptom of a very broken offense, not a bad QB. I am starting to question the ability of Haley as a coach and Pioli to build a team around several superstars. Only game 2, but I am now getting a very sick feeling.
Yeah. Pioli and Cassel both had Belichick to guide them. Things a little different now...

[KCraised]

I agree. However, Cassel isn't the problem. His lack of performance is a symptom of a very broken offense, not a bad QB. I am starting to question the ability of Haley as a coach and Pioli to build a team around several superstars. Only game 2, but I am now getting a very sick feeling.
I actually agree with you. He is average, as we are starting to see with the rest of the team. Im not completely up for pulling him because you are right. But i still think he is given wayyy too much credit for having big contract ability. Alot of frustration by all, including me...

[Bike]

I don't think that Cassel is the problem either. But if this does keep up I think we have to give someone eles a shot. Maybe theres just someone who can better with what we have. I have supported Cassel and am not a Cassel hater but seeing this is what we saw a lot in the preseason and it's not getting much better I think it wouldn't be a bad move. If nothing eles it might light more of a fire under Cassel he gets pissed about being benched for a while and works even harder to get better. I don't think there is anything wrong with takeing a look at someone eles if things don't get better.
I think Cassel works hard. The issue isn't really his work ethic. At issue is his talent level. His arm and his ability to see the field.

[iratefan]

blaming this teams failure entirely on cassel IS ridiculous. im not sure thats what people here are doing. Its pretty clear, game time has proven for the past two seasons that we have a weak secondary. Too many games do we allow 300+ passing yards making everyone from QB's to tight ends look like geniuses. We have no threat to aid Hali on the pass rush, so opposing QB's have all day to allow their WR's to get open and downfield. Our O-line is probably the most pathetic thing ive seen in forever and is at the heart of the impotency of the offense. Doesnt help when your star WR's are dropping passes and Star(ter) QB is making terrible passes and that gives nothing for the run game to work with (when theyre not getting injured). We have a team of superstar talent but lack all of the basic fundamentals that makes a strong team.

[matthewschiefs]

I think Cassel works hard. The issue isn't really his work ethic. At issue is his talent level. His arm and his ability to see the field.

I don't think his work ethic is a problem at all but anytime you can get any extra motivation I don't think that's a bad thing. And well we will never no if someone eles can be better in real games if we don't try. I am not saying Cassel is to blame but sometimes someones just better for the team then someone eles.

[chief31]

It seems pretty obvious to me...

You play the guy with cracked ribs in week one, and he doesn't do well, then you change the entire offense from the #1 rushing team in The NFL to nothing to do but pass, and he doesn't do well, then you add in the loss of his OC, meaning running yet another new offense, and he struggles early...

But the whole time, you provide no pocket for him, have receivers deflecting passes, and provide a terrible defense, and obviously...

The QB just can't be any good because he is a top notch defense, RB, and WR.

How brilliant is that?

[KCraised]

I hate to say this, but we need Detroit to keep hanging points on us. We need to finish this embarrassment off
Bigtime to force some immediate changes...

[Bike]

blaming this teams failure entirely on cassel IS ridiculous. im not sure thats what people here are doing. Its pretty clear, game time has proven for the past two seasons that we have a weak secondary. Too many games do we allow 300+ passing yards making everyone from QB's to tight ends look like geniuses. We have no threat to aid Hali on the pass rush, so opposing QB's have all day to allow their WR's to get open and downfield. Our O-line is probably the most pathetic thing ive seen in forever and is at the heart of the impotency of the offense. Doesnt help when your star WR's are dropping passes and Star(ter) QB is making terrible passes and that gives nothing for the run game to work with (when theyre not getting injured). We have a team of superstar talent but lack all of the basic fundamentals that makes a strong team.
Injuries to Berry, Moeaki, and Charles aren't helping matters either...

[OMGLadyGaga]

Goodbye Haley....welcome aboard Mr. Andrew Luck

[NKChiefs]

blaming this teams failure entirely on cassel IS ridiculous. im not sure thats what people here are doing. Its pretty clear, game time has proven for the past two seasons that we have a weak secondary. Too many games do we allow 300+ passing yards making everyone from QB's to tight ends look like geniuses. We have no threat to aid Hali on the pass rush, so opposing QB's have all day to allow their WR's to get open and downfield. Our O-line is probably the most pathetic thing ive seen in forever and is at the heart of the impotency of the offense. Doesnt help when your star WR's are dropping passes and Star(ter) QB is making terrible passes and that gives nothing for the run game to work with (when theyre not getting injured). We have a team of superstar talent but lack all of the basic fundamentals that makes a strong team.


I agree on this, i don't think people, my self included want to put the blame on Cassel alone - it's just frustrating that nothing happens on the QB spot, and then you wants to try something else.... And as someone in this thread mentioned, i don't see the leadership in him either. earlier, he was full of energy yelling to his team mates etc..... But let's se how Haley wants handle this season start.

[KCraised]

Ive just had a change of heart. This game is out of hand so pull Cassel. Give your backup a quarter of regular season against a potential playoff team. The way our team is getting carted off this year, might not hurt!

[chief31]

Yep. Cassel is the worst. It's obvious from the more than 70 points he has allowed defensively in the past , not quite two full games.

[KCraised]

Yeah, but even if the defense was a shutout defense, you arent gonna get many W's hanging 7 and 3 points on the board. We 3 dimensionally suck

[iratefan]

another game, another bottom feeder nfl team coming out looking like ****ing superstars after playing the chiefs. I couldnt be more embarrased, i dont know how Haley's sleeping at night anymore.

[KCraised]

God....McClusterrrrrrr

[honda522]

Can we retreat to the locker room already? Now, not in 14 mins...

[PawnshopMarimba]

WHY is Cassel still playing? WHY?

[KCraised]

Im gonna have 2 26" Tvs when I break this 52" in half

[honda522]

blaming this teams failure entirely on cassel IS ridiculous. im not sure thats what people here are doing. Its pretty clear, game time has proven for the past two seasons that we have a weak secondary. Too many games do we allow 300+ passing yards making everyone from QB's to tight ends look like geniuses. We have no threat to aid Hali on the pass rush, so opposing QB's have all day to allow their WR's to get open and downfield. Our O-line is probably the most pathetic thing ive seen in forever and is at the heart of the impotency of the offense. Doesnt help when your star WR's are dropping passes and Star(ter) QB is making terrible passes and that gives nothing for the run game to work with (when theyre not getting injured). We have a team of superstar talent but lack all of the basic fundamentals that makes a strong team.
I agree, Cassel might not be a great QB, but defnesivly we are allowing way to many points and as a team we are turning the ball over too much.

[iratefan]

review it, he should be down by contact. refs are always very quick to point that out for the lions.
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*edit* nope, that was a fumble. not sure if i can blame mccluster, hes just trying to get some freaking yards. Who is 15 again? kindof standing there watching it all happen.... breaston? lets stand there and watch it happen sir. good one.

[chief31]

Yeah, but even if the defense was a shutout defense, you arent gonna get many W's hanging 7 and 3 points on the board. We 3 dimensionally suck

You don't think an offense, centered around the running game, might have done better, not trailing by multiple TDs in the last two games?

[KCdrummer]

Just pathetic..

[Ryfo18]

Pioli should have offered Weis a head coaching job when he said he was going to leave.

[iratefan]

im done watching. will be here through the embarrasment of next week with the rest of you masochists.

[Bike]

Curt Warner called it pregame - another 40 burger hung against the Chiefs.

[chief31]

81 points in less than two full games?

Cassel really needs to get his s*** together on defense, and, for the love of anything, once he hits his receivers with a pass, he really needs to hold onto the ball.

[Ryfo18]

You don't think an offense, centered around the running game, might have done better, not trailing by multiple TDs in the last two games?

Sure, but it was 10-3 until late into the 2nd quarter...Offense has sucked all day sir.

[Ryfo18]

81 points in less than two full games?

Cassel really needs to get his s*** together on defense, and, for the love of anything, once he hits his receivers with a pass, he really needs to hold onto the ball.

Points off turnovers...Hard to expect the defense to keep points off the board when the opposing offense is starting on the Chiefs 30.

[NKChiefs]

Cassel really needs to get his s*** together on defense, and, for the love of anything, once he hits his receivers with a pass, he really needs to hold onto the ball.

:lol:

[chief31]

Sure, but it was 10-3 until late into the 2nd quarter...Offense has sucked all day sir.

That's exactly what you expect when you are basing your team around the running game and defense.

[Faulknasty]

Looks like Andrew Luck will be coming to kc next year

[Bike]

81 points in less than two full games?

Cassel really needs to get his s*** together on defense, and, for the love of anything, once he hits his receivers with a pass, he really needs to hold onto the ball.
The whole team is in disarray - not just Cassel. That leads me to believe we have a coaching problem.

[chief31]

Points off turnovers...Hard to expect the defense to keep points off the board when the opposing offense is starting on the Chiefs 30.


When you are a running offense, the defense absolutely never allows 82 points in two games.

[KCraised]

You don't think an offense, centered around the running game, might have done better, not trailing by multiple TDs in the last two games?
We can play the "Shoulda, woulda, coulda" game all day. Of course things wouldve been better if this or that didnt happen.

[honda522]

I really just hope Charles is alright....Thats all I care about.

[KCdrummer]

Will it just end...

[KCraised]

Ummmm, cassel passed straight to Detroit. Yeah, he is awesome

[regalpimpin]

Has anyone in the organization ever driven around KC. Seen how many hawkeye fans there are. I honestly don't think they'll win a game until Stanzi starts.

He only completed just about every pass in preseason, and got touchdowns.. The passes that were incomplete, the receivers touched and couldn't hold onto.

WTF is Cassel still doing on the roster, and why is Palko the backup. Expect a lot of empty seats retards.

[honda522]

Cassel is trying to force it. Just run the ball....

[chief31]

The whole team is in disarray - not just Cassel. That leads me to believe we have a coaching problem.

Cassel has played a decent game today for a guy who is supposed to be heading the #1 rushing offense in The NFL.

Two INTs, both bouncing off of receivers, and a fumble? (Fumble? With the amazing protection The Chiefs' O-line has?)

Oh, by the way, why has Matt Cassel been injuring our best players on both sides of the ball?

What a d***! And to do it with cracked ribs?

[KCraised]

Wait, that had to be someone elses fault, not Cassels. Someone must have missed thier route...
Now Hali? Unbelievable

[chief31]

Ummmm, cassel passed straight to Detroit. Yeah, he is awesome

Oooo. Down 41-3 and you find something?

What difference does it make?

You had him fired before he won the division last season, didn't ya?

[KCraised]

You must be Cassels relative...lol

[KCraised]

Doesnt matter if its 400-3. He threw it straight to a Detroit defender, period

[NKChiefs]

Oooo. Down 41-3 and you find something?

What difference does it make?

You had him fired before he won the division last season, didn't ya?


I don't think it help much on getting the teams mind set on winning games?

[regalpimpin]

Stanzi! Stanzi! Stanzi!

Seriously.. whats it going to hurt.

[Bike]

Cassel has played a decent game today for a guy who is supposed to be heading the #1 rushing offense in The NFL.

Two INTs, both bouncing off of receivers, and a fumble? (Fumble? With the amazing protection The Chiefs' O-line has?)

Oh, by the way, why has Matt Cassel been injuring our best players on both sides of the ball?

What a d***! And to do it with cracked ribs?
Can't blame Cassel for all his troubles. After all, he is working with his 4th offensive coordinator in as many years. A more stable environment would have done Matt some good.

[chief31]

You must be Cassels relative...lol

No. I thought it was a terribly idea to make the trade for him.

But, after he proved me wrong last season, I am not going to blame him for the worst defense I have ever watched, nor for injuries to Berry, Charles, himself, Moeaki, and now Hali.

Nor am I foolish enough to blame him for his receivers batting passes to defenders.

I simply realize what he has been taught for the past two years, and that circumstances have forced him into a situation of leading a type of offense that none of them has practiced.

I just realize that a defense allowing a TD at every opportunity is not generally the fault of a QB.

I actually saw that it was not Cassel who injured Berry, nor Charles.

I actually see things beyond the one-player sight of the average fan.

[jmlamerson]

Cassel is not this team's solution nor its problem. He is a perfectly average, efficient QB. He is smart enough to grasp complex passing scemes, but not athletic or strong enough to win games on his arm. If he had a real OL or a real 2WR, he'd be doing much better. Without Bowe or Charles, he'd be doing much worse. That's who he is.

[jmlamerson]

Can't blame Cassel for all his troubles. After all, he is working with his 4th offensive coordinator in as many years. A more stable environment would have done Matt some good.

This too. Of course, Haley's driving off Gailey and Weis puts the blame for this pretty squarely on him.

[nigeriannightmare]

Ummmm, cassel passed straight to Detroit. Yeah, he is awesome

3 blatant drops, and bowe dropped 2 easy ones. If everyone is calling for cassel's head then mr dwayne bowe must be called out to. in excusable both of his drops that I saw.

[PawnshopMarimba]

Efficient? Efficient??
I haven't seen an efficient Matt Cassel since Charlie Weiss left.

[chief31]

Cassel is not this team's solution nor its problem. He is a perfectly average, efficient QB. He is smart enough to grasp complex passing scemes, but not athletic or strong enough to win games on his arm. If he had a real OL or a real 2WR, he'd be doing much better. Without Bowe or Charles, he'd be doing much worse. That's who he is.

Nonsense.

He did everything that you insist he can't in 2008.

It's like watching a guy run and trying to call him a paraplegic.

He is unequipped to run a pass-happy offense because he has been coached and trained to run a conservative offense for the past couple of years.

[chief31]

Efficient? Efficient??
I haven't seen an efficient Matt Cassel since Charlie Weiss left.

Allowing 89 points in two games changes your offense dramatically.

[jmlamerson]

Efficient? Efficient??
I haven't seen an efficient Matt Cassel since Charlie Weiss left.

Unless your Peyton Manning, it's hard to be efficient if your HC want to throw the ball instead of run it. It's also hard if you have the worst OL in the NFL, which I very much believe we do.

[KCraised]

No. I thought it was a terribly idea to make the trade for him.

But, after he proved me wrong last season, I am not going to blame him for the worst defense I have ever watched, nor for injuries to Berry, Charles, himself, Moeaki, and now Hali.

Nor am I foolish enough to blame him for his receivers batting passes to defenders.

I simply realize what he has been taught for the past two years, and that circumstances have forced him into a situation of leading a type of offense that none of them has practiced.

I just realize that a defense allowing a TD at every opportunity is not generally the fault of a QB.

I actually saw that it was not Cassel who injured Berry, nor Charles.

I actually see things beyond the one-player sight of the average fan.

So, by calling people average fans, you are calling yourself a superior fan? Look, we all love the Chiefs. We have that in common. On the field, Cassel is the Captain, the boss. The buck, on the field, stops with him. No one is blind to the fact that the dam has so many holes, you dont know where to start the blame...but, Cassel is lacking, that we can stay on the opposite end of agreement.

[PawnshopMarimba]

Allowing 89 points in two games changes your offense dramatically.

yeah and how many of those drives started inside our 30 because of turnovers?

[nigeriannightmare]

Injuries to Berry, Moeaki, and Charles aren't helping matters either...

dont forget our first rounder ballwin either

[jmlamerson]

Nonsense.

He did everything that you insist he can't in 2008.

It's like watching a guy run and trying to call him a paraplegic.

He is unequipped to run a pass-happy offense because he has been coached and trained to run a conservative offense for the past couple of years.

I hate to break it to you, but a whole lot of guys would go 11-5 with Moss, Welker, the Pats OL, and Belicheck. 2008 was a good year from Cassel, but it's delusional to pretend that he was the Pats offense's engine that year. He was along for the ride.

That said, he's a decent QB. I'm glad we traded a 2nd for him. I wish he had a real OL, 2WR, and OC. But I'm not going to pretend he's a top QB in the NFL. He's not.

[Ryfo18]

yeah and how many of those drives started inside our 30 because of turnovers?

Exactly...And they aren't really on Cassel at all, but this offense is absolutely atrocious. Give me Weis back. Haley is proving once again he can't run this offense.

[KCraised]

3 blatant drops, and bowe dropped 2 easy ones. If everyone is calling for cassel's head then mr dwayne bowe must be called out to. in excusable both of his drops that I saw.

Well, true. That comment was directed to the absolute perfection throw that he threw to the other team. It was a thing of beauty and none of the Chiefs players could stop it from happening because they werent even close by. My "Play of the Day"

[honda522]

Allowing 89 points in two games changes your offense dramatically.

This.

[rodu]

I heard Albert and hali went down too, any word on them?

[Faulknasty]

Let's all face it the chiefs are going to have the first pick in next years draft is Andrew Luck what the chiefs need to provide that spark they obviously have lost

[honda522]

Turning point of the game according to 101 was when Charles went down.

Injuries are getting really bad.

[iratefan]

Let's all face it the chiefs are going to have the first pick in next years draft is Andrew Luck what the chiefs need to provide that spark they obviously have lost

Luck might take one look at our O-line and change his mind about entering the draft afterall.

[honda522]

YEAHHH!!!!!!!!!!! Raiders lost atleast.

[jmlamerson]

STAT OF THE GAME:

Our two leading tacklers were our safeties Sabby Piscatelli and Jon McGraw with 18. Our secondary combined for 35 of our 60 tackles. This means we were getting no pressure on the QB and that our DBs are not respected.

[Faulknasty]

yea, i would too

[KCraised]

Updating*
We have officially been outscored 233-69 in our last 8 fielded games

150-27 in our last 3 regular season + playoff games

[chief31]

So, by calling people average fans, you are calling yourself a superior fan? Look, we all love the Chiefs. We have that in common. On the field, Cassel is the Captain, the boss. The buck, on the field, stops with him. No one is blind to the fact that the dam has so many holes, you dont know where to start the blame...but, Cassel is lacking, that we can stay on the opposite end of agreement.

If the rest of the damn were holding up, meaning a solid defense, and a top-flight running game, then what Cassel had been doing would be pretty good.

Once we are down by more than a couple of TDs, we are no playing the type of offense that we are coaching and practicing. We are running experiments.


yeah and how many of those drives started inside our 30 because of turnovers?

Alright, of those, how many resulted TDs and how many in FGs?

A decent defense stands and delivers, even in the face of adversity.

Ours does not. Ours allows TDs, no matter where the possession starts at.


I hate to break it to you, but a whole lot of guys would go 11-5 with Moss, Welker, the Pats OL, and Belicheck. 2008 was a good year from Cassel, but it's delusional to pretend that he was the Pats offense's engine that year. He was along for the ride.

That said, he's a decent QB. I'm glad we traded a 2nd for him. I wish he had a real OL, 2WR, and OC. But I'm not going to pretend he's a top QB in the NFL. He's not.

Your speculation that a lot of QBs could win with their arms on that team includes Matt Cassel.

Wich disproves a great part of your assessment of Cassel.

Was it a great situation to be in?

Yes. You are not bringing me any new information with that.

But to say that he can't do what he has already proven that he can is erroneous.

Beyond that, I think you are a very football savvy individual.

I just disagree with that particular statement, due to the overwhelming evidence against it.




I heard Albert and hali went down too, any word on them?

Albert was back in the game a play, or two, later.

I didn't hear about Hali.

[jmlamerson]

Your speculation that a lot of QBs could win with their arms on that team includes Matt Cassel.

Wich disproves a great part of your assessment of Cassel.

Was it a great situation to be in?

Yes. You are not bringing me any new information with that.

But to say that he can't do what he has already proven that he can is erroneous.

Beyond that, I think you are a very football savvy individual.

I just disagree with that particular statement, due to the overwhelming evidence against it.


I don't think you understand what I mean by "win a game on his arm." I don't mean that he can't lead a passing attack. He showed last year that he could lead an intermediate passing attack with a limited supporting cast. He showed in 2008 that he can throw for a lot of years with a phenomenal supporting cast.

I mean that Cassel will not win games if he is the best offensive player player on the field. Manning, Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger - they can.

And thank you for the compliment.

[chief31]

I don't think you understand what I mean by "win a game on his arm." I don't mean that he can't lead a passing attack. He showed last year that he could lead an intermediate passing attack with a limited supporting cast. He showed in 2008 that he can throw for a lot of years with a phenomenal supporting cast.

I mean that Cassel will not win games if he is the best offensive player player on the field. Manning, Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger - they can.

And thank you for the compliment.

So then, you are aware that it is wild speculation to say that, right?

Myself, I think he is without hope on the current Chiefs squad, as we continue to build around a running game, and refuse to build a passing team.

But guessing that he couldn't be great in the right situation is like claiming to know how rainfall on Venus effects some hill that we can't even see, due to density of atmosphere.

It's a major reach, and, as speculations go, is undeterminable.

[jmlamerson]

So then, you are aware that it is wild speculation to say that, right?

Why? We see how Cassel does with good, healthy skill players and a good-to-decent line, and how he does with bad OL and bad, injured skill players. He does well with good teams and bad with bad teams. There's no shame in that. Guys like Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, and Matt Hasselbeck made/won Super Bowls like that.


Myself, I think he is without hope on the current Chiefs squad, as we continue to build around a running game, and refuse to build a passing team.

I agree. I cannot comprehend why we haven't signed a real RT. Or why we didn't retain Waters. Maybe we're just cheap and run on the cheap.


But guessing that he couldn't be great in the right situation is like claiming to know how rainfall on Venus effects some hill that we can't even see, due to density of atmosphere.

It's a major reach, and, as speculations go, is undeterminable.

I never said he couldn't be great. He was great in 2010. Our whole team was great, or at least played great. There's a correlation between the greatness of Cassel and the greatness of the team around him. Or lack thereof.

[Fastphilly]

Cassel has played a decent game today for a guy who is supposed to be heading the #1 rushing offense in The NFL.

Two INTs, both bouncing off of receivers, and a fumble? (Fumble? With the amazing protection The Chiefs' O-line has?)

Oh, by the way, why has Matt Cassel been injuring our best players on both sides of the ball?

What a d***! And to do it with cracked ribs?
Let me get this straight. So you are content with a game manager that just hands the ball off? For $10 mil a year and a second round trade off I expect more..Shame on you for having pathetic standards for the starting QB.

[jmlamerson]

Let me get this straight. So you are content with a game manager that just hands the ball off? For $10 mil a year and a second round trade off I expect more..Shame on you for having pathetic standards for the starting QB.

Why do people care how much Cassel makes? Is he overpaid? Yes. Are we still $30M under the cap? Yes. How much he makes doesn't impact the team at all!

And Cassel/Vrabel was worth the 2nd rounder.

[chief31]

Let me get this straight. So you are content with a game manager that just hands the ball off? For $10 mil a year and a second round trade off I expect more..Shame on you for having pathetic standards for the starting QB.

No. But that is what our staff has been coaching him for.

Had we spent the past two years trying to form some fast-paced passing offense, or even a balanced attack, then I would be far more critical of Cassel's actual body of work for these two games.

But, that has not been the case.

And, he earned every cent of his pay last season, so I am not going to join the mob mentality, that he is terrible, just because the team has been as bad as any team I have ever seen in consecutive games.






Why? We see how Cassel does with good, healthy skill players and a good-to-decent line, and how he does with bad OL and bad, injured skill players. He does well with good teams and bad with bad teams. There's no shame in that. Guys like Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, and Matt Hasselbeck made/won Super Bowls like that.


So, what it seems that you are saying now, despite what you actually said, is that he is incapable of being a top passer on the current team?

That would still be speculation, as he has not really been given an environment to do so yet.

So far, we have gone into both games with a gameplan to run the ball, and play tough defense to keep the score low. And, Cassel has been practicing to run that offense, then having everything fall apart.

If we change our strategy, and start running an offense that is more geared for what has been required, we may see something different.

Not to mention, it has only been two games.

Right now, defense, injuries, gameplanning, and turnovers are making it impossible to run our offense as intended.

No doubt some major changes are going to have to happen. But, until we are entering games with the concept of calling plays to have Cassel show what he can do, Cassel doesn't have much of a chance.

The situation he has been dealt these first two games are such that I don't think Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, or anyone else is going to be successful.

Maybe he will prove unable to lead the team in the way I think you are talking about.

But, considering the hand he has been dealt so far, I don't see how such a statement can be supported.

Myself, after how Cassel made a liar of me last year, I will have to give him a fair chance to show rather or not he is capable of being "that guy".

[Fastphilly]

I wish the HC/OC would try to get Breaston more into the game plan..He has yet to be a factor in the scheme of things. Why?

[KCraised]

Why do people care how much Cassel makes? Is he overpaid? Yes. Are we still $30M under the cap? Yes. How much he makes doesn't impact the team at all!

And Cassel/Vrabel was worth the 2nd rounder.

What????? It absolutely does! It Means you are dedicating a massive sum of money on a specific player. He is not close to justifying it or earning it. By dedicating that mammoth amount to him, Your mindset changes and you very possibly follow by pursuing different free agents than you might have and so forth. If you spend this much on "x", i might not be able to afford "Y". So we will settle for a less quality player, to make up for paying
matt a massive amount.
Say you stuck with a Thigpen or a Brodie Croyle on the cheap for a season or 2, these faces on our team could be very different.

[chief31]

What????? It absolutely does! It Means you are dedicating a massive sum of money on a specific player. He is not close to justifying it or earning it. By dedicating that mammoth amount to him, Your mindset changes and you very possibly follow by pursuing different free agents than you might have and so forth. If you spend this much on "x", i might not be able to afford "Y". So we will settle for a less quality player, to make up for paying
matt a massive amount.
Say you stuck with a Thigpen or a Brodie Croyle on the cheap for a season or 2, these faces on our team could be very different.

He played well enough over a full sixteen game schedule to warrant the contract numbers.

Two games this season, where he hasn't played nearly as bad as the defense, does not make your case.

And having $33 Million in leftover cap space really nullifies what any individual is making.

His contract is not, in the least, keeping this team from paying other talent.

[KCraised]

So, explain this to me....if we are 33 million under cap, why didnt we spend it on more premier players? Since money is no object and doesnt really sound like its an issue in player choice?

[KCraised]

And I do understand he played behind an unbelievable team and got paid for how his abilities came across from all that fantastic support and it misrepresented his abilities. Thats not his fault and im not blaming him for accepting all that $$$. I know I would....lol