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yankeechief1
09-18-2011, 04:23 PM
Fire Haley PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

honda522
09-18-2011, 04:27 PM
Not just yet. Wait till week 6.

lucky_lefty
09-18-2011, 04:32 PM
calm down

yankeechief1
09-18-2011, 04:39 PM
Better yet, fire the whole staff. They all suck. Start from scratch. The Chiefs have. Back to losing. Last year was a fluke. Easy schedule. 10-6. Look for the #1 pick. This year 6-10. You'll see.

rodu
09-18-2011, 04:59 PM
Better yet, fire the whole staff. They all suck. Start from scratch. The Chiefs have. Back to losing. Last year was a fluke. Easy schedule. 10-6. Look for the #1 pick. This year 6-10. You'll see.

We just started from scratch a few years ago, and you want to do that again?

PhillyChief
09-18-2011, 05:11 PM
Where do you see these 6 wins?

A few more of these embarrassments and whether it's really his fault or not, I can't imagine Haley lasting until the end of the season. Perhaps after one of the primetime games where the team humiliates themselves before a national audience.

iratefan
09-18-2011, 05:17 PM
umm, yeah im trying to find where those 6 wins come from at this rate. take most of the superstars out with injuries and you take away the only crutch this one legged team has.

drstandley31
09-18-2011, 05:19 PM
At this point I don't care what this team does. I'm just sick of it. So many bad decisions over the past 6 years I can't believe it.

jmlamerson
09-18-2011, 05:36 PM
Firing Haley now does no good. What, we going to make Romeo Crennel or Bill Muir head coach for the rest of 2011? We just need to ride this out and re-assess at the end of the season.

josh1971
09-18-2011, 05:39 PM
It is fair to say, though, that Haley is definitely now sitting on the warm seat. One more week and it may get hot.

azchiefsfan
09-18-2011, 05:41 PM
I think this season is probably going to be a wipeout. I also think that how the team rallies behind Haley is going to be the big question. If he loses the confidence of the players, he is gone at the end of this season.

chief31
09-18-2011, 05:43 PM
It is fair to say, though, that Haley is definitely now sitting on the warm seat. One more week and it may get hot.

I can't help but to agree.

I can't imagine continuing to put up such poor efforts all year. But, if the end record winds-up being as embarrassing, then I really think the call for his head will be too loud to ignore.

And the injuries, while likely not his fault, do nothing to help him dig himself out of the big hole that is forming around him.

Hayvern
09-18-2011, 05:46 PM
I can't help but to agree.

I can't imagine continuing to put up such poor efforts all year. But, if the end record winds-up being as embarrassing, then I really think the call for his head will be too loud to ignore.

And the injuries, while likely not his fault, do nothing to help him dig himself out of the big hole that is forming around him.

The injuries are a product of conditioning. Yes, conditioning is physical, but it is also mental. Building up your muscles to avoid being injured is about half of the work, also recognizing when a guy throws his body at your legs that you need to avoid that hit is mental.

This team is just not ready to be playing at this level and that falls on Haley.

Hayvern
09-18-2011, 05:48 PM
It is fair to say, though, that Haley is definitely now sitting on the warm seat. One more week and it may get hot.

Haley is going no where. If this team had not won 10 games last season, then maybe, but having went to the playoffs last year, this coach will last at least three more years.

chief31
09-18-2011, 05:51 PM
The injuries are a product of conditioning. Yes, conditioning is physical, but it is also mental. Building up your muscles to avoid being injured is about half of the work, also recognizing when a guy throws his body at your legs that you need to avoid that hit is mental.

This team is just not ready to be playing at this level and that falls on Haley.

But there is no way to be sure that they are not well conditioned.

I admit that it doesn't look good. But players can get injured, even if they are in better condition than all others.

I just can't say that they weren't well conditioned, because I don't know for sure.

Incriminated, for sure. But it is not proof.

Bike
09-18-2011, 06:03 PM
Firing Haley now does no good. What, we going to make Romeo Crennel or Bill Muir head coach for the rest of 2011? We just need to ride this out and re-assess at the end of the season.
Haley with Chiefs = Cam Cameron with Dolphins - good OC, not so good HC.

yankeechief1
09-18-2011, 08:05 PM
I am sorry. Where did I get 6 wins? Maybe 2 wins. Let's hope for the # 1 pick. Get a real head coach. I have been a Chief fan my entire life. I am 50 years old. I am sick of it. Get a real head coach, not a wanna be.

OPLookn
09-18-2011, 08:18 PM
As I'm sitting here watching the Patriots vs dolts game I can't see anything but a monsterous blow out next week. I seriously think the spread will be 14 pts and that STILL won't be enough. We put another entry into the suck for luck box today and looking at the rest of the schedule other teams are going to have to suck bad to be able to take him. I just don't see how we'd pass on Luck if we have the chance. Cassel has shown us nothing and even if he has we still don't have a backup. Who better than someone to come in offer him a challenge from day one and if not take the reigns Luck will steal them in the first couple of years.

drstandley31
09-18-2011, 09:54 PM
I wanted him to do well, and thought he came from good stock and had good mentoring. I just don't like his management style. He lets good staff go, because he can't get along with them. And the ones he puts in their place are awful. So he'd rather have an awful staff, than to be able to work with people that have different styles than he does. That's a weakness.

KCraised
09-18-2011, 09:58 PM
I hope Haley leased his house. I can hear the sound of a U-Haul in the not so distant distance....

OPLookn
09-18-2011, 10:04 PM
I hope Haley leased his house. I can hear the sound of a U-Haul in the not so distant distance....

I wondered what that BEEP, BEEP, BEEP sound was next door. It's a U-haul! Problem solved.

:lol:

okikcfan
09-18-2011, 10:23 PM
Ok so just for fun let's see who is out there, good or bad. Right off the bat we have ofcourse John Gruden, Bill Cowher, Brian Billick oh and for old times sake Mary Scottenheimer. Any one else? Who we gonna call?

#58ChiefsFan
09-18-2011, 10:27 PM
Parcells

What an interesting dynamic between HC/GM

drstandley31
09-19-2011, 12:01 AM
Well if I'm Clark Hunt, I'm at least on the phone to Cower to see what it would take for him to come back to KC. If I had millions of dollars on the line for my business, I'd be making some serious calls.

SIC J
09-19-2011, 12:22 AM
At this point I don't care what this team does. I'm just sick of it. So many bad decisions over the past 6 years I can't believe it.

Go be a fan of another team then. No one is forcing you to be a Chiefs fan.

Fastphilly
09-19-2011, 12:23 AM
Well if I'm Clark Hunt, I'm at least on the phone to Cower to see what it would take for him to come back to KC. If I had millions of dollars on the line for my business, I'd be making some serious calls.
As much as I respect Cowher, it took him 12 years to win a Super Bowl and it was an ugly performance at best. Sure he is the best candidate out of that list, but I have a feeling it would take another 12 years. He is good with getting a defensive team together but knows diddly poo about offense.

b-dolo
09-19-2011, 12:31 AM
The problem is that the cheifs are not just losing games, they are getting absolutely embarrased. If the losses were even competive it would be a different story. I have not seen one thing in the last two games that you can build on. If this continues, Haley won't have a change to finish the season. It is almost unheard of in the NFL today to lose by 35 or 45 points.

KCraised
09-19-2011, 12:59 AM
Like I was saying during the game, i really was looking foward to Detroit running the score up, once it was late and out of hand. As crazy as that is, we needed an embarrassing loss, at that point, to force near immediate change. I assure you the trickle down is gonna trickle far. We have 2 games under our belt and and what looks to be a lost coaching staff. They might panic and try some bold changes.
This is like the Herm Edwards situation but he was fielding a team that was doing just enough for the axe not to drop right away. This s*** is failing in all areas and Pioli's pride will not allow him to embarrassed without someone paying for it. Watch the sports page closely this week, my fellow hardcore Chiefs fans....

KCraised
09-19-2011, 01:02 AM
.....although they might give one more chance, come to think of it. We play SD, and the higher ups might feel we have a chance, since Haley has seen them 2 times a year...hmmmmm

Fastphilly
09-19-2011, 01:07 AM
.....although they might give one more chance, come to think of it. We play SD, and the higher ups might feel we have a chance, since Haley has seen them 2 times a year...hmmmmm
Playing a SD team thats pissed off for getting beat in NE, expect to get blown out at the 'Murph.

KCraised
09-19-2011, 01:18 AM
Oh, im sure its gonna be another nasty score....we need to get used to it

Chiefster
09-19-2011, 01:50 AM
One can say what one can about the lockout and reduced time to prepare, but everyone had the same amount time that we did. We are NOT headed in the right direction in any way shape or form.

jmlamerson
09-19-2011, 01:59 AM
One can say what one can about the lockout and reduced time to prepare, but everyone had the same amount time that we did. We are NOT headed in the right direction in any way shape or form.

You know one of the reasons Bill Belichick is a genius? He almost single-handedly brought the 3-4 back into vogue in 2001-2004. He found great 3-4 talent (like Bruschi, Vrabel, and Harrison) for cheap. And now in 2011, after everyone tore their teams up to copycat him, he's moving back to a 4-3 and finding great 4-3 talent like Ellis, Haynesworth, and Carter for cheap.

Great coaches work with the talent they have. They don't try to force players into their rigid schemes. Haley stuck to his offensive and conditioning schemes this offseason despite the lockout circumstances. Now he has an underprepared team heavily dependant on players who don't know his schemes (Houston, Asamoah, Hudson, Gregg) or who just stink (Tyson, McGraw, Piscatelli) and he won't bend to accomodate facts obvious to everyone else.

Remember when Gailey ran the pistol for Tyler Thigpen and it almost turned us into a real offensive team? That's the sort of thing we need to be doing right now. Making the best out of a bad talent situation by thinking outside the little scheming box.

Bike
09-19-2011, 09:24 AM
You know one of the reasons Bill Belichick is a genius? He almost single-handedly brought the 3-4 back into vogue in 2001-2004. He found great 3-4 talent (like Bruschi, Vrabel, and Harrison) for cheap. And now in 2011, after everyone tore their teams up to copycat him, he's moving back to a 4-3 and finding great 4-3 talent like Ellis, Haynesworth, and Carter for cheap.

Great coaches work with the talent they have. They don't try to force players into their rigid schemes. Haley stuck to his offensive and conditioning schemes this offseason despite the lockout circumstances. Now he has an underprepared team heavily dependant on players who don't know his schemes (Houston, Asamoah, Hudson, Gregg) or who just stink (Tyson, McGraw, Piscatelli) and he won't bend to accomodate facts obvious to everyone else.

Remember when Gailey ran the pistol for Tyler Thigpen and it almost turned us into a real offensive team? That's the sort of thing we need to be doing right now. Making the best out of a bad talent situation by thinking outside the little scheming box.I really don't blame Haley for not being able to do the right thing by this team. I blame Pioli for bringing him here in the first place. And I blame Pioli for these terrible draft picks (Jackson MaGee Baldwin). And I blame Pioli for not bringing in free agents that could contribute immediately.
Lets get with it Pioli. You don't have Belichick to answer to anymore. You just got us fans - and were starting to get pissed.

okikcfan
09-19-2011, 11:24 AM
I don't feel the draft pic's are as much of an issue as the lack of FA signed during the off season and the amount of money we are sitting on that could have been used on those FA. Haley has made mistakes from the moment he got here. We thought 4-12 was bad, this could or will get much worse than we could have ever dreamed. From what I have seen and the games and teams we have yet to play, 0-16 is very possible.

azchiefsfan
09-19-2011, 11:56 AM
I honestly can't see where we have the potential to win a single team this year. With Berry and Charles we always had a chance. They were so good, they could completely dominate their portion of the field and allow mediocre help focus on the rest. They are gone and we have no one that can dominate any part of the game. I pray we can scrape 4 wins out somehow, just for pride.

Chiefster
09-19-2011, 12:05 PM
I honestly can't see where we have the potential to win a single team this year. With Berry and Charles we always had a chance. They were so good, they could completely dominate their portion of the field and allow mediocre help focus on the rest. They are gone and we have no one that can dominate any part of the game. I pray we can scrape 4 wins out somehow, just for pride.

I don't know. Being outscored 89-10 over the past two games doesn't doesn't fill me with a whole lot of optimism for the immediate future.

Chiefster
09-19-2011, 12:10 PM
You know one of the reasons Bill Belichick is a genius? He almost single-handedly brought the 3-4 back into vogue in 2001-2004. He found great 3-4 talent (like Bruschi, Vrabel, and Harrison) for cheap. And now in 2011, after everyone tore their teams up to copycat him, he's moving back to a 4-3 and finding great 4-3 talent like Ellis, Haynesworth, and Carter for cheap.

Great coaches work with the talent they have. They don't try to force players into their rigid schemes. Haley stuck to his offensive and conditioning schemes this offseason despite the lockout circumstances. Now he has an underprepared team heavily dependant on players who don't know his schemes (Houston, Asamoah, Hudson, Gregg) or who just stink (Tyson, McGraw, Piscatelli) and he won't bend to accomodate facts obvious to everyone else.

Remember when Gailey ran the pistol for Tyler Thigpen and it almost turned us into a real offensive team? That's the sort of thing we need to be doing right now. Making the best out of a bad talent situation by thinking outside the little scheming box.

I think that an effective coach is not afraid to change things up a little to accommodate the strengths of the talent he has representing his team on the field.

Hayvern
09-19-2011, 01:30 PM
I think that an effective coach is not afraid to change things up a little to accommodate the strengths of the talent he has representing his team on the field.

And this is the problem I had with Haley from the outset. He let Gailey go, almost laughing at the man for trying to come up with creative ways for this team to win. Haley felt the schemes that Gailey was using were "gimmicks" yet, they put the team into a position to win.

Gailey is showing the league now that he is an old crafty guy that is not afraid to throw anything at you to win football games. Haley needs to take a play from that book and mix it up a little.

There is a lot of talk about Haley getting the axe. Well, in my opinion we should have never hired him, but we have now and the guy deserves a chance to correct the issues.

I am no fan of Haley, but we cannot change coaches now, maybe at the end of the season, but I just don't see how a guy that took you to the playoffs last year gets the axe after a slow start.

azchiefsfan
09-19-2011, 01:46 PM
Well, right this moment, I would like to see him fired...right now. However, if he can turn around the 2nd and 3rd rate players we have left(for the most part-we still have some good help), then maybe he should get another year. Problem is, he took a 10-3 team and turned them into a potentially 0-16 team over 6 games. And we have got progressively worse each game-no adjustments made-just more of the same losing crap we saw the game before. I hope he has the balls to turn this team around, but I fear he has already squandered the really good team we had.

jmlamerson
09-19-2011, 04:18 PM
I think that an effective coach is not afraid to change things up a little to accommodate the strengths of the talent he has representing his team on the field.

Yep. Just how Herm Edwards was married to the Cover 2 to the detriment of the defense, Haley wants a wide open offense and doesn't realize that our OL, QB, and WRs don't work for that.

azchiefsfan
09-19-2011, 05:16 PM
The QB and receivers proved they were VERY capable of that with just a little time. It is all about the line.