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lordchillz
09-18-2011, 06:08 PM
I've tried and tried to ride the Haley train! I will admit it has shown sparks, but it doesn't have enough fire to get our great franchise to where it deserves to go. Im calling for Haley to go and spend the money to get cower or chucky in here! The team and the fans deserve an afc championship team! It's been far too long for an original afl team to have such a low seat on the historical spotlight. I'm tired of gearing bout the raiders, broncos, chargers, but no mention of the chiefs except insults and jokes. I'm tired of mediocrity! Am I alone?

alexim58
09-18-2011, 06:59 PM
I've tried and tried to ride the Haley train! I will admit it has shown sparks, but it doesn't have enough fire to get our great franchise to where it deserves to go. Im calling for Haley to go and spend the money to get cower or chucky in here! The team and the fans deserve an afc championship team! It's been far too long for an original afl team to have such a low seat on the historical spotlight. I'm tired of gearing bout the raiders, broncos, chargers, but no mention of the chiefs except insults and jokes. I'm tired of mediocrity! Am I alone?

You are not the only one who feels like this, me too
I hope that at the end of this season we can clearly see who really deserve to wear KC Chiefs jersey.

okikcfan
09-18-2011, 07:08 PM
Well I for one have not seen the game yet but I did see that Cassel was 15/22 for 133 yards. Now what does this say? Some body has no faith in our QB...... So I'm just upset at the score, I guess I need to watch it first..........

reded
09-18-2011, 07:10 PM
You'll be way more upset if you actually sit and watch that embarrassment of a game.

matthewschiefs
09-18-2011, 07:10 PM
Well I for one have not seen the game yet but I did see that Cassel was 15/22 for 133 yards. Now what does this say? Some body has no faith in our QB...... So I'm just upset at the score, I guess I need to watch it first..........


Do yourself a favor and DON'T watch that. Cassel turned the ball over that's why people are down on him.

drstandley31
09-18-2011, 07:40 PM
I DVR's it. And after I saw the score, I deleted it. I don't care to find out how bad they are to allow that to happen. Keep in mind, last week was the second worse lost in Arrowhead history! All you need to know. They Blow.

Coach
09-18-2011, 07:40 PM
Do yourself a favor and DON'T watch that. Cassel turned the ball over that's why people are down on him.

Please heed his advice. Do not watch it unless you want to ruin your day. They should make convicted felons watch that game.

raiderhater79
09-18-2011, 07:43 PM
Please heed his advice. Do not watch it unless you want to ruin your day. They should make convicted felons watch that game.

Or they can offer people to get off death row if they watch it.

raiderhater79
09-18-2011, 07:44 PM
I DVR's it. And after I saw the score, I deleted it. I don't care to find out how bad they are to allow that to happen. Keep in mind, last week was the second worse lost in Arrowhead history! All you need to know. They Blow.

I did the same thing since I was out of town all morning and most of the afternoon. I think stabbing myself in the eye with a rusty spoon will be less painful.

matthewschiefs
09-18-2011, 07:44 PM
Or they can offer people to get off death row if they watch it.

Watching that might make them want to sit in the electric chair.

OPLookn
09-18-2011, 08:21 PM
How in the world can ANYONE defend Cassel after having...3 turnovers? I'm not saying they were all his fault but that's just what the stats say. He was absolutely horrible, to say that this is just one game and hasn't happened before is a lie too. Has he looked good at times yes, but we don't need a guy that can manage a game but that can also go out and single handedly throw the game away too.

okikcfan
09-18-2011, 08:26 PM
Ok I deleted it. So much for watching them @ San Diego next week!

matthewschiefs
09-18-2011, 08:27 PM
Ok I deleted it. So much for watching them @ San Diego next week!

You can't possibly know the favor that you just did yourself. I will spend the rest of the week or hell the rest my life trying to forget that.

okikcfan
09-18-2011, 09:17 PM
This is just crazy. You know in the last two games we have been outscored 89-10.

chief31
09-18-2011, 09:36 PM
How in the world can ANYONE defend Cassel after having...3 turnovers? I'm not saying they were all his fault but that's just what the stats say. He was absolutely horrible, to say that this is just one game and hasn't happened before is a lie too. Has he looked good at times yes, but we don't need a guy that can manage a game but that can also go out and single handedly throw the game away too.

Actually, it was four. Three INTs, and a lost fumble.

Two of the INTs were thrown into receivers' hands, only to have them reject the ball, and send it to defenders.

The third INT was basically desperation, throw it, rather you should, or not, kind of a situation, down by more than 30 points.

And the fumble was the usual terrible pass protection. Though Cassel certainly should have held onto the ball.

Cassel, for the most part, was hitting his targets. Those targets were declining catches, and the plays that were being called were those stupid gimmick plays for short yardage.

If you think Cassel threw this game away, then you must not have seen it.

You want numbers? 89 points allowed in two games.

The QB position is the least of our worries.

AkChief49
09-18-2011, 09:49 PM
it cannot be put on the D entirely either. They have averaged 15 minutes more on the field than the opponents. They (defense) have already played 2 1/2 games thus far-mainly because we cannot hold on to the dang ball! 9 turnovers in two games. We're on pace for 72 turnovers if this keeps up.

chief31
09-18-2011, 10:16 PM
it cannot be put on the D entirely either. They have averaged 15 minutes more on the field than the opponents. They (defense) have already played 2 1/2 games thus far-mainly because we cannot hold on to the dang ball! 9 turnovers in two games. We're on pace for 72 turnovers if this keeps up.

Agreed.

There is plenty of blame to go around.

For me, I can't help but focus the majority of my censure toward Todd Haley and the rest of his staff.

kcnation
09-18-2011, 10:40 PM
This is just crazy. You know in the last two games we have been outscored 89-10.


yea and just wait til next week,another 50 spot is realistic

jpkchiefs
09-18-2011, 10:44 PM
haley has to go. it is clear to me that he has lost control of the team, i've been a chiefs fan for 40 years, the last 4 regular season games all blowouts is the worst i have ever seen the chiefs play, even in the lean years it was not this bad. when you get blowen out in 4 straight games there is something wrong. further more haley really is a loof sore loser, finger point at josh m after the denver loss last year was classless, that told me a lot about the guy. arrgont i know it all punk, he is in way over his head. what this team needs is a real man coaching. i really think the player have quit on him and i wouldnt blame them... the guy is clueless.

AkChief49
09-18-2011, 11:06 PM
it cannot be put on the D entirely either. They have averaged 15 minutes more on the field than the opponents. They (defense) have already played 2 1/2 games thus far-mainly because we cannot hold on to the dang ball! 9 turnovers in two games. We're on pace for 72 turnovers if this keeps up.

Apologies, the defense has averaged 10 minutes more per game. In my frustration,my simple math failed me. As did my Chiefs. I'll forgive them, eventually.

OPLookn
09-19-2011, 03:00 PM
Actually, it was four. Three INTs, and a lost fumble.

Two of the INTs were thrown into receivers' hands, only to have them reject the ball, and send it to defenders.

The third INT was basically desperation, throw it, rather you should, or not, kind of a situation, down by more than 30 points.

And the fumble was the usual terrible pass protection. Though Cassel certainly should have held onto the ball.

Cassel, for the most part, was hitting his targets. Those targets were declining catches, and the plays that were being called were those stupid gimmick plays for short yardage.

If you think Cassel threw this game away, then you must not have seen it.

You want numbers? 89 points allowed in two games.

The QB position is the least of our worries.


As I said, look at the stats. I didn't say go watch the game. I watched the game and saw the same things you did. I'll agree that 2 of the turnovers were Cassel's fault. But the average fan is going to look at the game and say wow, 6 TO's and 3 were int's? I want Cassel's head!!! When it comes down to it blow outs won't put butts in the stands and money talks and BS walks. It'll come down the line on who needs to take the blame and the highest paid player that isn't cutting it will be cut. That's Cassel unfortunately.

I don't blame the loss entirely on him. Did he help it absolutely! But like I was saying a QB will step up and not contribute to the problems the team is having. Contributing 2 TO's is not what you want out of your starting QB. Either find a different QB or set his pay equal to his play.

Isawa_mo
09-19-2011, 03:54 PM
I would also still atleast put half of the blame for one other on him also. It was thrown behind and away from the receiver (high) as he was heading the other direction. Maybe he was supposed to sit down in the zone instead of continuing, but the route did not look like that to me. Cassel sure did get upset, but I could not tell if it was at himself or the other player.

2010chiefs
09-19-2011, 09:46 PM
I'm sick of Cassel supporters on here. Sure the defense didn't help, but watching Cassel throw and scramble only to throw the ball away over and over again. Miss targets. He is not a leader on the field and it shows over and over again. There are those that hate to lose and he doesn't look like one of those players. We need a QB that hates losing and will do whatever it takes not to. Same with the Head Coach.

jmlamerson
09-20-2011, 12:14 AM
I'm sick of Cassel supporters on here. Sure the defense didn't help, but watching Cassel throw and scramble only to throw the ball away over and over again. Miss targets. He is not a leader on the field and it shows over and over again. There are those that hate to lose and he doesn't look like one of those players. We need a QB that hates losing and will do whatever it takes not to. Same with the Head Coach.

I don't why people just can't call Cassel what he is - average. There's no shame in being an average QB in the NFL. Super Bowls have been won with average QBs. They tend to be smarter and harder working than the more athletic QBs - who tend to be superstars or busts.

Cassel sucked the past two weeks. Cassel was good last year. He sucked in 2009. He was good in 2008. He was a non-entity before then. What do people think he is? He's not terrible and he's not great. He's good at best and sucky at worst.

Fastphilly
09-20-2011, 01:14 AM
I will not count Cassel's bad games last year..He had a receiver (Bowe) that was doubled every game, a rookie TE (Moeaki) and a senior citizen (Chambers) who played two years more than he should have and could'nt shake a nickel corner let alone a starting corner.

chief31
09-20-2011, 02:20 PM
I'm sick of Cassel supporters on here. Sure the defense didn't help, but watching Cassel throw and scramble only to throw the ball away over and over again. Miss targets. He is not a leader on the field and it shows over and over again. There are those that hate to lose and he doesn't look like one of those players. We need a QB that hates losing and will do whatever it takes not to. Same with the Head Coach.

He was 15/22 (68.2%) throwing, including two that receivers deflected to defenders, and the late game, desperation time INT.

He ranks 13 in Completion percentage. (63.8%)

Short passes? Yes. Ineffective passes. Yes.

But to go on about how he is missing targets and throwing the ball away is just inaccurate.

And, considering how obvioously wrong you are there, why would you feel confident in your other judgements?

I'm not.

I don't why people just can't call Cassel what he is - average. There's no shame in being an average QB in the NFL. Super Bowls have been won with average QBs. They tend to be smarter and harder working than the more athletic QBs - who tend to be superstars or busts.

Cassel sucked the past two weeks. Cassel was good last year. He sucked in 2009. He was good in 2008. He was a non-entity before then. What do people think he is? He's not terrible and he's not great. He's good at best and sucky at worst.

It must be because his career has been above average, while the circumstances he has been in have been less than average.

He had bad numbers with the horrible 2009 Chiefs, as any QB likely would.

He had good numbers in 2008, where many would.

But he had good numbers in 2010, where few would.

And that was only his third year playing.

If he were a guy who was drafted in the first round, and his first three years playing gave the results that he has had up to now, then he would absolutely be considered a top QB.

Does the average QB even play? And how many years does the average QB start?

His play in the past two games was far from good, but further from terrible.

WRs rejecting passes has caused a lot of good passes to go on the record as incomplete, or INTs. And horrible play-calling/game-planning, as well as fumbles and bad protection has not helped.

jmlamerson
09-20-2011, 03:39 PM
It must be because his career has been above average, while the circumstances he has been in have been less than average.

He had bad numbers with the horrible 2009 Chiefs, as any QB likely would.

He had good numbers in 2008, where many would.

But he had good numbers in 2010, where few would.

And that was only his third year playing.

If he were a guy who was drafted in the first round, and his first three years playing gave the results that he has had up to now, then he would absolutely be considered a top QB.

Does the average QB even play? And how many years does the average QB start?

His play in the past two games was far from good, but further from terrible.

WRs rejecting passes has caused a lot of good passes to go on the record as incomplete, or INTs. And horrible play-calling/game-planning, as well as fumbles and bad protection has not helped.


Cassel's career stats are available at Matt Cassel NFL & AFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CassMa00.htm). His career QB rating is a 82.4. That is incredibly, incredibly average. Not bad, not good. Average.

And average QBs play all the time. Jason Campbell and Kyle Orton in our own division are good examples.