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marloweopatchiefs
10-20-2011, 06:28 PM
Haley: Baldwin to be game time*decision - Arrowhead Pride (http://mobile.arrowheadpride.com/2011/10/20/2503396/haley-baldwin-to-be-game-time-decision)

TopekaRoy
10-20-2011, 07:42 PM
Haley: Baldwin to be game time*decision - Arrowhead Pride (http://mobile.arrowheadpride.com/2011/10/20/2503396/haley-baldwin-to-be-game-time-decision)
You posted a link to a link to the story. Why don't you skip the middleman?:D

Here's the link: Haley: Baldwin to be game-time decision | Red Zone (http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/1861)

Baldwin is physically healthy but Haley is concerned about taking touches away from Bowe and Breaston.

''I have to think about Steve Breaston and Dwayne Bowe a little bit. They’ve been playing really well the last couple of weeks specifically and I don’t want to disrupt them a whole bunch.''
Two of the other backup wide receivers, Terrance Copper and Jeremy Horne, have been among the Chiefs’ better special teams players. If the Chiefs let Baldwin play, he would probably replace Horne on the active roster but Haley said Baldwin can’t yet make up for what Horne gives them on special teams.


I'd like to see what he can do in a game, but not if his being on the field hurts the team.

tornadospotter
10-21-2011, 12:28 AM
Perhaps a additional lesson being taught to a rookie?

ctchiefsfan
10-21-2011, 01:42 AM
I won't pretend to know what's best for the team, but if Baldwin caught a ball or two early on, it might loosen things up for Bowe and Breaston.

Last year it seemed like when Moeaki caught a ball it would free Bowe up a bit. Or that is how it seemed to me.

The Raiders are playing QB games with us. Be good for us to play some receiver games with them.

:chiefs::chiefs::chiefs::chiefs:

OPLookn
10-21-2011, 12:20 PM
Perhaps a additional lesson being taught to a rookie?

I absolutely think this is a lesson for the rookie. Don't care what round you are in if you don't have the right attitude I have the ability to put your butt on the bench for the next 4 or 5 years. How long did we lock Baldwin up for?


I won't pretend to know what's best for the team, but if Baldwin caught a ball or two early on, it might loosen things up for Bowe and Breaston.

Last year it seemed like when Moeaki caught a ball it would free Bowe up a bit. Or that is how it seemed to me.

The Raiders are playing QB games with us. Be good for us to play some receiver games with them.

You're 110% right, I'd say that description fits the phrase "keep them honest". To me Baldwin is still in Haley's dog house and he's going to prove to the 1st round draft pick that it's Haley's way or the pine way. I don't know if this is how he "breaks" receivers so to speak or what. Either way if we don't see Baldwin this week I'd venture we'd see him in limited capacity next week.

ctchiefsfan
10-21-2011, 12:50 PM
You're 110% right, I'd say that description fits the phrase "keep them honest". To me Baldwin is still in Haley's dog house and he's going to prove to the 1st round draft pick that it's Haley's way or the pine way. I don't know if this is how he "breaks" receivers so to speak or what. Either way if we don't see Baldwin this week I'd venture we'd see him in limited capacity next week.

If Haley thinks he needs to keep Baldwin on the bench this week then obviously it is his decision. That said, THIS IS RAIDER WEEK! If at the end of the game we are 2-4 then I pretty much think we are out of contention. 3-3 would keep us "in the hunt". I sincerely hope Haley will use every weapon, trick and gizmo he can come up with to pull out a victory in this game. If Baldwin is a viable weapon then I think Haley needs to use him even if it as little more than a decoy.

IMHO this game is too important to be teaching lessons by making healthy players ride the bench.

:chiefs::chiefs::chiefs::chiefs:

OPLookn
10-21-2011, 02:24 PM
If Haley thinks he needs to keep Baldwin on the bench this week then obviously it is his decision. That said, THIS IS RAIDER WEEK! If at the end of the game we are 2-4 then I pretty much think we are out of contention. 3-3 would keep us "in the hunt". I sincerely hope Haley will use every weapon, trick and gizmo he can come up with to pull out a victory in this game. If Baldwin is a viable weapon then I think Haley needs to use him even if it as little more than a decoy.

IMHO this game is too important to be teaching lessons by making healthy players ride the bench.

:chiefs::chiefs::chiefs::chiefs:

That kind of argues for both sides. Haley almost sounds like that athlete that keeps wearing the same socks without washing them because they won in them the last 2 weeks. I've heard don't mess with success and if you don't change you'll be left behind.

Overall I agree that Baldwin needs to be worked in. Haley almost seems to be a little gun shy and since he has such a background in golf I'll put it this way. Right now he's the young golfer that doesn't want to go play 18 because he's doing well on the driving range and is scared about what mistakes might be made in a live situation.

azchiefsfan
10-21-2011, 02:48 PM
Or could it simply be that he really doesn't want to rush an injured rookie back too soon? We got how much $ wrapped up in the guy? So I think people are making this out to be more than what it is: protecting an expensive, long-term investment.

ctchiefsfan
10-21-2011, 02:58 PM
That kind of argues for both sides. Haley almost sounds like that athlete that keeps wearing the same socks without washing them because they won in them the last 2 weeks. I've heard don't mess with success and if you don't change you'll be left behind.

Exactly....Don't forget that Haley has said he is not going to shave or change the hat he wears on game day as long as we are winning.

I hope he is the shaggiest looking coach in the NFL by the end of the regular season! 13-3 has a nice ring to it.

kcnation
10-21-2011, 06:16 PM
This Guy Is Our Number 1 Pick,when Is He Going To Be Of Some Use To Us.so Far He Is Collecting A Paycheck For Doing Nothnig

#58ChiefsFan
10-21-2011, 07:28 PM
The route timing between Cassel and Baldwin is whats keeping him from starting. He has been running routes on the side during practice but has very little time working with Cassel.

Both teams have a lot riding on this game and if Baldwin is any kind of liability he doesnt need to be on the field this week. I'm fine with him sitting on the bench a week or two more before he and Matt can get on the exact same page.

Bike
10-22-2011, 11:35 AM
Perhaps a additional lesson being taught to a rookie?
This is what is happening. Haley don't like the guy or his attitude. I'd say our scouting dept. dropped the ball on this one.

#58ChiefsFan
10-22-2011, 11:55 AM
Dropped the ball based on what? The apparant fact you dont like him or the four plays he had in the preseason? He has yet to play a down in a game. He is going to make mistakes the first few games after that, the end of the season might be a better time to make that type of statement.

Bike
10-22-2011, 11:58 AM
Dropped the ball based on what? The apparant fact you dont like him or the four plays he had in the preseason? He has yet to play a down in a game. He is going to make mistakes the first few games after that, the end of the season might be a better time to make that type of statement.
I didn't say I didn't like Baldwin. I'm saying Haley doesn't like the guy. If he did - he'd be on the field. If a healthy number one draft pick is healthy - which he is - he should be playing.

#58ChiefsFan
10-22-2011, 12:07 PM
I think since this teams window of opportunity to recover from a bad play is so small this year that they will not allow Baldwin to take the field before he has proven in practice that he and Cassel have a rapport. He is getting first team reps in practice now but that is only the past couple weeks.

I'm not totally disagreeing that Haley isn't on his *** but I don't think that's the major reason why he isn't out there.

Bike
10-22-2011, 12:15 PM
I'm not totally disagreeing that Haley isn't on his *** but I don't think that's the major reason why he isn't out there.
I will have to disagree. I think Haley is still tearing down Baldwin due to his attitude in camp. Haley is a recievers coach - it's his way or the highway.
That being said, I believe mission accomplished. I listened to his interview yesterday on 610 and Baldwin said all the right things about putting team first. He will be a star in this league - and I am hoping it starts vs. raiders...