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Sn@keIze
11-07-2011, 01:53 AM
....and NO, it's not Matt Cassel.

Our DTs our DREADFULLLLL!

I give up at drafting DTs with this organization (Sims,Dorsey,Jackson...etc)

Tamba is busting his arse and the DTs are just playing pattycake with the Center and guards. This is unnacceptable. (for those of you hardcore Chief enough watch the game again).

There is NO middle pressure. PERIOD.

This is the reason Matt Moore was awesome today was becuz of OUR DTs. not matt moore.

It's common sense in NFL knowledge. when there is NO DT pressure (or middle pressure). A pocket forms, in which Moore had the best pockets ever.

FML, for chryst sakes Dorsey and whoever else take your pay and leave this fn org.

Fastphilly
11-07-2011, 02:26 AM
They spend HIGH draft picks for DL pressure and decide to change the defence to a three man line. I can see spending a top 5 pick for a stud NT since it is essential for a 3-4 alighnment, but you spend another HIGH pick for another DT? All fine and good if your running a 4-3 Defence.

Jrudi
11-07-2011, 01:17 PM
Yes.

This screams to the fact that Hali is our only player that can put pressure on the QB.

Houston has shown flashes at times, but it will take a year or two to get him settled in at that position, and flourish (take Hali for example, it takes a little time)

But yes our Biggest issues:

- We can't pressure the QB outside of Hali (look at the SD game as well, we lucked out in that game, if we could have rattled Rivers, we could have locked that game up early, but we let him stay comfortable and they hung around.)

- We can't protect our QB, Holy crap!! like 5 or 6 sacks, Cassel was worried he was going to get pancaked the entire game! we need to protect him and we will look a lot better, our passing game is much improved with our WR additions, but our pass protection is horrendous

- and Finally, WE NEED DB DEPTH!!!! Our secondary is sick when fully healthy. but it stops at our starters, our depth in our secondary is mediocre at best. Washington just couldn't cut it at safety, and he couldn't last year when we went to Denver, we make any TE look like all pro's (Todd Heap last year in Wild Card, Scott Chandler in week 1, Anthony Fasano Yesterday! we need Safety and Nickle help!

Other than that, I hope this was just a hic-cup like the ravens loss to the jags. We need to get on track, because after next week, our schedule turns brutal.

Seek
11-07-2011, 01:49 PM
If that is the one glaring need we are better off than I thought.

Our offensive line was horrific yesterday. Three guys were drilling our running backs for loses.

Cassel was sacked 5 times, knocked down 9 times and he had to run sramble and run the ball another 5 times.

Our secondary needs depth bad. Without McGraw this team can't stop anyone. I don't even like McGraw but it was obvious to me when he got hurt at the beginning of the year and now yesterday. Throw in Arenas being hurt. Yesterday they kept putting Marshal in the slot, leaving Washington and Studebacker covering him. Flowers spent a good part of the game covering NO ONE. Pissed me off to see us come out in the second half making ZERO adjustments to this other than trading out Washington with some other poor safety.

Please stop giving the ball to McCluster to run. Specially in short yardage situations. If you are going to use him to run, pitch it to him on the oustide so he can try to outrun a tackler because once he gets hit, he is done.

Poor play calling on both offensive and defense as far as I am concerned.

chief31
11-07-2011, 01:55 PM
I hope this game will go down as a learning experience. I worked yesterday, so I have yet to watch the game. But I expect that there was a lot of confusion, caused by disguised blitzes, and stunts, thus taking advantage of a pass-blocking unit that was gaining confidence in going against a lot of base pass-rushes, and familiar blitzes.

But, as I said, I have tey to watch the game.

Seek
11-07-2011, 02:01 PM
I hope this game will go down as a learning experience. I worked yesterday, so I have yet to watch the game. But I expect that there was a lot of confusion, caused by disguised blitzes, and stunts, thus taking advantage of a pass-blocking unit that was gaining confidence in going against a lot of base pass-rushes, and familiar blitzes.

But, as I said, I have tey to watch the game.

I would suggest you spend the time you would use watching that game and do something more fun. Being kicked in the junk was more fun that watching that yesterday.

azchiefsfan
11-07-2011, 02:13 PM
Well, Chief, you're in the right direction, BUT there was no disguises. They kept a constant 5 man rush and almost 50% naked 7 man blitzes. They loaded up the box and dared our line to stop them.

Chiefster
11-07-2011, 02:44 PM
I would suggest you spend the time you would use watching that game and do something more fun. Being kicked in the junk was more fun that watching that yesterday.

This!

pojote
11-07-2011, 04:05 PM
Yes.
- and Finally, WE NEED DB DEPTH!!!! Our secondary is sick when fully healthy. but it stops at our starters, our depth in our secondary is mediocre at best. Washington just couldn't cut it at safety, and he couldn't last year when we went to Denver, we make any TE look like all pro's (Todd Heap last year in Wild Card, Scott Chandler in week 1, Anthony Fasano Yesterday! we need Safety and Nickle help!


I thought that McGraw and Arenas weren't big contributors to our defense, but Miami showed us that it can be worse with Piscitelli and a totally lost Washington.

chief31
11-07-2011, 08:22 PM
Well, Chief, you're in the right direction, BUT there was no disguises. They kept a constant 5 man rush and almost 50% naked 7 man blitzes. They loaded up the box and dared our line to stop them.

Well, that would actually be exactly the kind of thing I was talking about.

If you are blitzing multiple defenders, steadily, then you are almost guaranteed to be faking just about as many.

You send seven on one play, then show seven for the next play, which are coming, and which aren't?

I imagine that we had our blocking assignments challenged with some looks that we were not seeing previously.

But I will have to wait another day still. Sick, and tired today.

58ALLDAY
11-07-2011, 08:40 PM
Hello everyone, new guy here.

This last game hurt real bad. I was so high on our recent success, after such a slow start . But watching Rivers lose again, and also watching the Raiders gettin Tebow'd :raisux: ...kinda made up for it.

okikcfan
11-07-2011, 09:31 PM
We handed a 0-7 team their first win. Congrats to the Phins and congrats to Haley. Hmmm, whats Clark have to say about all of this?

Sn@keIze
11-08-2011, 03:20 AM
If that is the one glaring need we are better off than I thought.

Our offensive line was horrific yesterday. Three guys were drilling our running backs for loses.

Cassel was sacked 5 times, knocked down 9 times and he had to run sramble and run the ball another 5 times.

Our secondary needs depth bad. Without McGraw this team can't stop anyone. I don't even like McGraw but it was obvious to me when he got hurt at the beginning of the year and now yesterday. Throw in Arenas being hurt. Yesterday they kept putting Marshal in the slot, leaving Washington and Studebacker covering him. Flowers spent a good part of the game covering NO ONE. Pissed me off to see us come out in the second half making ZERO adjustments to this other than trading out Washington with some other poor safety.

Please stop giving the ball to McCluster to run. Specially in short yardage situations. If you are going to use him to run, pitch it to him on the oustide so he can try to outrun a tackler because once he gets hit, he is done.

Poor play calling on both offensive and defense as far as I am concerned .
no it's not the only one for sure.

we have a plethora of other problems. but if we get pressure up the middle, Moore doesn't have near the success. The game is closer.

even if your not blitzing LBs or DBs u still have to have some sort of a pass rush when they are in coverage and our DTs do JACK!

OPLookn
11-08-2011, 12:44 PM
If that is the one glaring need we are better off than I thought.

Our offensive line was horrific yesterday. Three guys were drilling our running backs for loses.

Cassel was sacked 5 times, knocked down 9 times and he had to run sramble and run the ball another 5 times.

Our secondary needs depth bad. Without McGraw this team can't stop anyone. I don't even like McGraw but it was obvious to me when he got hurt at the beginning of the year and now yesterday. Throw in Arenas being hurt. Yesterday they kept putting Marshal in the slot, leaving Washington and Studebacker covering him. Flowers spent a good part of the game covering NO ONE. Pissed me off to see us come out in the second half making ZERO adjustments to this other than trading out Washington with some other poor safety.

Please stop giving the ball to McCluster to run. Specially in short yardage situations. If you are going to use him to run, pitch it to him on the oustide so he can try to outrun a tackler because once he gets hit, he is done.

Poor play calling on both offensive and defense as far as I am concerned.


I love how one week the line is starting to hold up pockets and the next week they're garbage and should be thrown out. Seriously? You're gonna put this on the line? Ok, fair enough. Short of finding a starting RT, moving Hudson in for Weigman when he retires and backups we're set on the line. So really, one person.

Last week there was a distinct pocket around Cassel. When you're rushing 7 guys lets do some basic math 7 > 5. Cassel needs to recognize the d@mn blitz and check down to a quick slant or some kind of throw. Am I putting it at his feet no. Cassel was inaccurate but I can understand that when 90% of the day you're running for your life.

This falls squarely on the OC and Haley. To not recognize just how much pressure they're bringing and to check down is absurd. Then on top of that to run the ball into 7 guys, again how is this going to help? 7 > 5 + the guy running the ball.

As I said in a previous post I'm upset with our OC or whoever the heck is calling the plays. Putting up 10 pts on SD and then 4 more scoring drives in 7 quarters is completely unacceptable.

chief31
11-08-2011, 08:25 PM
I love how one week the line is starting to hold up pockets and the next week they're garbage and should be thrown out. Seriously? You're gonna put this on the line? Ok, fair enough. Short of finding a starting RT, moving Hudson in for Weigman when he retires and backups we're set on the line. So really, one person.

Last week there was a distinct pocket around Cassel. When you're rushing 7 guys lets do some basic math 7 > 5. Cassel needs to recognize the d@mn blitz and check down to a quick slant or some kind of throw. Am I putting it at his feet no. Cassel was inaccurate but I can understand that when 90% of the day you're running for your life.

This falls squarely on the OC and Haley. To not recognize just how much pressure they're bringing and to check down is absurd. Then on top of that to run the ball into 7 guys, again how is this going to help? 7 > 5 + the guy running the ball.

As I said in a previous post I'm upset with our OC or whoever the heck is calling the plays. Putting up 10 pts on SD and then 4 more scoring drives in 7 quarters is completely unacceptable.

Albert could fill that RT spot very nicely. He is a poor LOT though.

I think that The Dolphins have spent many years working on defensive schemes that could help them beat The Patriots, and they had a great day against a team, still struggling to replicate the very offense that The Dolphins' defense has been designed against.

Odds are, a similar advantage was had on the other side of the ball.

Jrudi
11-10-2011, 12:38 AM
Albert could fill that RT spot very nicely. He is a poor LOT though.

I think that The Dolphins have spent many years working on defensive schemes that could help them beat The Patriots, and they had a great day against a team, still struggling to replicate the very offense that The Dolphins' defense has been designed against.

Odds are, a similar advantage was had on the other side of the ball.



Not trying to start an argument, but I don't think our offense is even closely similar to the Patriots... If I understood that right.

The Pat's run a more spread out dink and dunk offense that focuses on their outside WR's pulling the DB's and Safeties away from the middle of the field, essentially allowing for the more athletic TE's and Slot recievers (Welker, Gronkowski, and Hernandez) room to work with underneath being matched up to less athletic LB's. could Kind of say their run game is actually short passes.

We are a run first team, that is a more traditional style of offense, more QB under the center, we run to set up the pass, play a little bit more conservative, and hope to control the clock, win the time of possession battle, and limit turnovers.

I agree we got our butt's beat, but just don't see the similarities between the Pat's offense and ours?

Seek
11-10-2011, 01:33 PM
I love how one week the line is starting to hold up pockets and the next week they're garbage and should be thrown out. Seriously? You're gonna put this on the line? Ok, fair enough. Short of finding a starting RT, moving Hudson in for Weigman when he retires and backups we're set on the line. So really, one person.

Last week there was a distinct pocket around Cassel. When you're rushing 7 guys lets do some basic math 7 > 5. Cassel needs to recognize the d@mn blitz and check down to a quick slant or some kind of throw. Am I putting it at his feet no. Cassel was inaccurate but I can understand that when 90% of the day you're running for your life.

This falls squarely on the OC and Haley. To not recognize just how much pressure they're bringing and to check down is absurd. Then on top of that to run the ball into 7 guys, again how is this going to help? 7 > 5 + the guy running the ball.

As I said in a previous post I'm upset with our OC or whoever the heck is calling the plays. Putting up 10 pts on SD and then 4 more scoring drives in 7 quarters is completely unacceptable.

Have you ever seen me post that our offensive line was adequate. I am not two facing this issue.

The pocket on Monday night was good in some series, only when Cassel took three step drops and got rid of the ball. He strives in the Hurry Up situations.

Our running game, is horrible up the middle. Most successful runs are on the oustide, where there is open space and help form the receivers in blocking.

Our offense did sputter against the Charges on Monday night. The 3rd and 4th Quarter was very sobering for a drunk crowd.

drstandley31
11-10-2011, 04:19 PM
I said that during pre-season, and there were any number of excuses why we had the same problem. Well it's only gotten worse since then! Zero pressure on the QB. We make them good awesome. It just stinks!

chief31
11-10-2011, 05:48 PM
Not trying to start an argument, but I don't think our offense is even closely similar to the Patriots... If I understood that right.

The Pat's run a more spread out dink and dunk offense that focuses on their outside WR's pulling the DB's and Safeties away from the middle of the field, essentially allowing for the more athletic TE's and Slot recievers (Welker, Gronkowski, and Hernandez) room to work with underneath being matched up to less athletic LB's. could Kind of say their run game is actually short passes.

We are a run first team, that is a more traditional style of offense, more QB under the center, we run to set up the pass, play a little bit more conservative, and hope to control the clock, win the time of possession battle, and limit turnovers.

I agree we got our butt's beat, but just don't see the similarities between the Pat's offense and ours?

Oh no. It definitely doesn't look the same. But I can't help but think that there is a great deal of similarity in the blocking schemes, the route running, and some of the route combinations, and philosophy.

I see the short passing that gets Welker open for big gains after the catch, and they remind me a whole lot of the quick patterns that Bowe, and even our other WRS, run, and see a big similarity, looking for the big gains after the catch.

While the success of our running game in 2010 absolutely altered which plays are called, and the shotty protection has minimized our deep passing attempts, and patterns, I think we have emulated a whole lot of what The Patriots do.

But then, it is definitely a speculation on my part.

azchiefsfan
11-10-2011, 06:36 PM
Not trying to start an argument, but I don't think our offense is even closely similar to the Patriots... If I understood that right.

The Pat's run a more spread out dink and dunk offense that focuses on their outside WR's pulling the DB's and Safeties away from the middle of the field, essentially allowing for the more athletic TE's and Slot recievers (Welker, Gronkowski, and Hernandez) room to work with underneath being matched up to less athletic LB's. could Kind of say their run game is actually short passes.

We are a run first team, that is a more traditional style of offense, more QB under the center, we run to set up the pass, play a little bit more conservative, and hope to control the clock, win the time of possession battle, and limit turnovers.

I agree we got our butt's beat, but just don't see the similarities between the Pat's offense and ours?

While we have a hard time actually performing it on the field, we have the exact same basic game plan as the Pats and the same basic philosophy in personnel. The Pats have lost their deep threat, while we still have Bowe and Baldwin, but other than that we are very similar. We are a quick-strike offense and designed for shorter passes that depend on yards after catch, which is why it is so frustrating when we aren't on our game it seems like we are just dumping it off over and over. The big difference is Haley is keen on running the ball more than the Pats.