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texaschief
12-12-2011, 06:48 AM
1. Indy 0-16
2. STL 2-14 SOS .561
3. Min 2-14 SOS .574
4/5. Car 5-11 SOS .479
4/5. KC 5-11 SOS .479
6. Phi 5-11 SOS .491
7. CLE 5-11 SOS .497
8. Buf 5-11 SOS .503
9. Mia 5-11 SOS .509
10. Jax 5-11 SOS .533
11. TB 5-11 SOS .550
12. Was 6-9 SOS .479

This is a list of the teams currently with worse records or tied with the Chiefs and where I think the records will end up at the end of the season. If it weren't for Cutler getting injured the week before we played Chicago and then them losing Forte along with a fluke hail-mary, we'd end the season with just 4 wins. This team/organization has given up on the season and doesn't show any signs of life. Green Bay, then back to back with division leaders dying for a playoff spot doesn't bode well for this lame Chiefs team. I've got a lot of teams sitting at 5-11. That's just a coincidence, as I looked at all their schedules, I could only see one or fewer wins in each of their respective schedules.

When there's a tie among records when it comes to draft position, the first tie-breker is strength of schedule. I indicated strength of schedule with "SOS." The number next to the SOS is the respective team's opponent's winning percentage... which, equals the strength of schedule rank. If things end the way I'm projecting and assuming that the SOS doesn't change (which it will), the Chiefs should end up in a coin-toss with the Panthers for the 4th and 5th spots.

You have to think the Colts will trade either the pick or Peyton Manning. I see too much Eli Manning not going to San Diego in all this BS with Andrew Luck. Archie is going to make sure Luck and Peyton aren't on the same teams. Indy could just pass on Luck and go with a completely different position altogether. I think they'll trade down but it's impossible to say how far down they'll go. If things stay as they are and the Colts pass on Luck and keep Peyton, Luck could actually fall to Kansas City. You've got Peyton in Indy, Bradford in StL, Ponder in Minn, and Newton in Carolina. If the word gets out that Luck could fall to Kansas City, there's going to be a mad rush to trade with one of the top 4 spots to jump in front of KC.

If Luck is who the Chiefs want, they could easily jump to #2 ahead of Minnesota and remove all chance of him being picked by Minnesota. In my prediction, the worse case scenario for the Chiefs is picking 5th. But even if that happens, you've still got Bradford and Newton ahead of you... meaning you've got at least 2 teams who aren't interested in a QB... and that's even assuming the Colts are done with the BEST QB in the history of the game... and if that indeed happens, the Chiefs are STILL left with one of either Luck, Barkley, or the Heisman winner if they want to take a QB!

If there were EVER a year to take a QB high in the draft, it's THIS year. The rookie contracts are not even HALF of what they use to be and this is perhaps the deepest crop of QBs this league has seen in more than a decade. Even if Cassel was playing at his absolute peak at the moment, you've STILL got to consider taking a QB and grooming him at the VERY LEAST... HELL, the Colts have the best QB EVER and they're still probably going to take Luck... and he didn't even win the Heisman!!

The more I think about this and look at the current situation the Chiefs are in, the more I think Pioli's job is dependent on him taking a chance on a possible franchise QB if the Chiefs do, in fact, land a top 5 draft pick... not to mention, we're probably going to be getting a new head coach who will probably want his own pick at QB.

Not that I'm advocating him as our new HC... but we already know Josh McDaniel is willing to pull the trigger on a first round QB... and I believe he's going to be here next season.

Drunker Hillbilly
12-12-2011, 09:58 AM
Whatever it is, it's not high enough!

wolfpack
12-12-2011, 10:28 AM
If we do move up or somehow get one of the big three qb`s in the 1st rnd, i just hope we havent traded away the rest of our picks.Chiefs are so gun shy since blackledge i wonder if they will.
We have alot of holes to fill and i just dont want using all our high draft picks to get a qb. Maybe, just maybe Hunt will dust off the pocketbook and help fill holes in FA.

pojote
12-12-2011, 10:33 AM
Andrew Luck, RG III and Barkley?

70 chiefsfan70
12-12-2011, 10:50 AM
I think we will see the Defense step up and win one of our last two, giving us a 6 and 10 record. I would like us to trade our way up close enough to get either RG3 or Luck.

I realize that is going to be very hard.

KristofLaw
12-12-2011, 02:14 PM
Trading for Luck with the Horseshoes has a ring to it for whomever that may be, that said I also like Landry Jones if he becomes available. It would be nice to have a true franchise quarterback for once, once again. There are many holes which need to be filled though whatever positition we enter the draft this season.

OPLookn
12-12-2011, 02:21 PM
Trading for Luck with the Horseshoes has a ring to it for whomever that may be, that said I also like Landry Jones if he becomes available. It would be nice to have a true franchise quarterback for once, once again. There are many holes which need to be filled though whatever positition we enter the draft this season.

Luck could have been injured this year, sat out the last half of the year and with all the hype he might have still won the Heisman. RG3 won the Heisman for a reason. The games I've seen Luck can recognize and call his own plays but I'm not sure he's the end all be all of QB's. Leaf was suppose to be this golden boy and look how that turned out. Not calling Luck a Leaf, that actually sounds kinda funny but anyway I don't like the idea of betting the farm (aka all our draft picks) on Luck.

N TX Dave
12-12-2011, 02:24 PM
The only thing is it goes in order of easiest SOS to hardest, thier thinking is if two teams had the same record the team that had lower SOS is worse that the team that played the harder teams SOS so the Chiefs will be 10/11 draft order if the season ended now.

jap1
12-12-2011, 02:36 PM
I think (maybe it is hope that is making me think this) that we will likely win one against the Raiders or Broncos.

Anyways, I truly hope that we end up getting a bunch of trade offers. I think we will see a lot of jockeying around for trades this year, even more than last year, because of the rookie pay scale (it wasnt in place last year yet, but was expected to be in place).

The three teams that would seem to want to target a QB would be Miami, Jax, and Washington. Maybe Cleveland, but Colt McCoy seems to be doing a decent job right now and they have other needs.

Say we trade down with either of those teams and the Colts dont get Luck. That would leave us with Barkley, RG3 or Landry Jones (depending on where we ended up with the trade), and probably a low 2nd round pick.

My dream scenario would be to then pick up the best LOT available. Then grab a RT with the 2nd round pick we traded for.

My backup scenario (which is much more likely unless we get McDaniels as HC, since new coaches usually want their own QB) would still be to trade down and still get one of the QBs (and have him train behind Cassel for 1-2 years) and upgrade the OL by either trading back into the 1st round or getting a RT in the 2nd round.

I think we will continue to be at the bottom of the league if we dont upgrade the OL. I think it is a much bigger need over QB.

figcrostic
12-12-2011, 02:56 PM
I think (maybe it is hope that is making me think this) that we will likely win one against the Raiders or Broncos.

Anyways, I truly hope that we end up getting a bunch of trade offers. I think we will see a lot of jockeying around for trades this year, even more than last year, because of the rookie pay scale (it wasnt in place last year yet, but was expected to be in place).

The three teams that would seem to want to target a QB would be Miami, Jax, and Washington. Maybe Cleveland, but Colt McCoy seems to be doing a decent job right now and they have other needs.

Say we trade down with either of those teams and the Colts dont get Luck. That would leave us with Barkley, RG3 or Landry Jones (depending on where we ended up with the trade), and probably a low 2nd round pick.

My dream scenario would be to then pick up the best LOT available. Then grab a RT with the 2nd round pick we traded for.

My backup scenario (which is much more likely unless we get McDaniels as HC, since new coaches usually want their own QB) would still be to trade down and still get one of the QBs (and have him train behind Cassel for 1-2 years) and upgrade the OL by either trading back into the 1st round or getting a RT in the 2nd round.

I think we will continue to be at the bottom of the league if we dont upgrade the OL. I think it is a much bigger need over QB.

If Mcdaniels becomes our coach he already has his QB, Kyle Orton.

jap1
12-12-2011, 03:00 PM
The only thing is it goes in order of easiest SOS to hardest, thier thinking is if two teams had the same record the team that had lower SOS is worse that the team that played the harder teams SOS so the Chiefs will be 10/11 draft order if the season ended now.
I think you have the right idea but have the numbers backwards. The teams with the weakest SOS (i.e. play the teams with the lowest winning percentage) gets the earlier pick. That is how Tex has it listed.

jap1
12-12-2011, 03:03 PM
If Mcdaniels becomes our coach he already has his QB, Kyle Orton.
Orton is a free agent and has expressed no interest in wanting to come here and not sure if he wants to stay here. McDaniels tried to trade for Cassel when he got hired by the Donkeys, which led to Cutler being butt hurt and wanting to get traded to Chicago. I think McDaniels would want to work with Cassel more than Orton.

Jrudi
12-12-2011, 03:10 PM
First off.. I don't want McDaniels here at all (not as a HC or OC) Brady made him look good in NE. (He has a bigger ego than Haley did and used it to tear apart the Denver Franchise, and He is OC'ing the lowest scoring Offensive system in the league with a Good QB, and a stub RB that could churn out the yards to control the clock)

Now for the draft.. with a HC change is usually a QB change (even if Crennel takes over it's possible)

I don't like the idea of trading up to get Luck, it would be awesome, but I don't want to give away our picks for 1 player, and I think we could land someone like RG3 in the position we are set in.

The only thing going against us not landing RG3 is that he has started to generate a lot of buzz after his last game of the season, and winning the Heismann. The Dude has more passing yds than luck this season, more TD passes, and less Int's than luck, and the dude is a pure athlete that could make our offense just sick with all of the athletic ability our skill players have. Not to mention I have heard lots of analysts talking about how he has one of the most accurate deep balls they have EVER seen! (and we need that bad!)

I would love RG3, (or luck, barkley, or jones) I just don't want to have to trade up to get any if we have top 5 pick. Wouldn't mind (if we are confident one would still be there) trading back a couple of spots to pick up another pick.

jap1
12-12-2011, 03:28 PM
First off.. I don't want McDaniels here at all (not as a HC or OC) Brady made him look good in NE. (He has a bigger ego than Haley did and used it to tear apart the Denver Franchise, and He is OC'ing the lowest scoring Offensive system in the league with a Good QB, and a stub RB that could churn out the yards to control the clock)

Now for the draft.. with a HC change is usually a QB change (even if Crennel takes over it's possible)

I don't like the idea of trading up to get Luck, it would be awesome, but I don't want to give away our picks for 1 player, and I think we could land someone like RG3 in the position we are set in.

The only thing going against us not landing RG3 is that he has started to generate a lot of buzz after his last game of the season, and winning the Heismann. The Dude has more passing yds than luck this season, more TD passes, and less Int's than luck, and the dude is a pure athlete that could make our offense just sick with all of the athletic ability our skill players have. Not to mention I have heard lots of analysts talking about how he has one of the most accurate deep balls they have EVER seen! (and we need that bad!)

I would love RG3, (or luck, barkley, or jones) I just don't want to have to trade up to get any if we have top 5 pick. Wouldn't mind (if we are confident one would still be there) trading back a couple of spots to pick up another pick.

I dont like McDonkey, and I dont think he has done anything since being fired to earn him a new HC job.

I agree with pretty much everything you have said. It would be nice to have someone that could throw a long ball to Baldwin and Bowe. But to me the priority is shoring up the OL. No QB is going to have the time to make a deep pass behind our OL.

texaschief
12-12-2011, 03:43 PM
If we do move up or somehow get one of the big three qb`s in the 1st rnd, i just hope we havent traded away the rest of our picks.Chiefs are so gun shy since blackledge i wonder if they will.
We have alot of holes to fill and i just dont want using all our high draft picks to get a qb. Maybe, just maybe Hunt will dust off the pocketbook and help fill holes in FA.

I don't think anyone still associated with the franchise even remembers who Blackledge is or was. I doubt that's the reason.

N TX Dave
12-12-2011, 04:58 PM
I think you have the right idea but have the numbers backwards. The teams with the weakest SOS (i.e. play the teams with the lowest winning percentage) gets the earlier pick. That is how Tex has it listed.

You are both right I just did not look at the numbers. I could not belive the Chiefs have played the weakest schedule I mean look who they have played only three teams have a losing record that we have played.

figcrostic
12-12-2011, 05:00 PM
First off.. I don't want McDaniels here at all (not as a HC or OC) Brady made him look good in NE. (He has a bigger ego than Haley did and used it to tear apart the Denver Franchise, and He is OC'ing the lowest scoring Offensive system in the league with a Good QB, and a stub RB that could churn out the yards to control the clock)

Now for the draft.. with a HC change is usually a QB change (even if Crennel takes over it's possible)

I don't like the idea of trading up to get Luck, it would be awesome, but I don't want to give away our picks for 1 player, and I think we could land someone like RG3 in the position we are set in.

The only thing going against us not landing RG3 is that he has started to generate a lot of buzz after his last game of the season, and winning the Heismann. The Dude has more passing yds than luck this season, more TD passes, and less Int's than luck, and the dude is a pure athlete that could make our offense just sick with all of the athletic ability our skill players have. Not to mention I have heard lots of analysts talking about how he has one of the most accurate deep balls they have EVER seen! (and we need that bad!)

I would love RG3, (or luck, barkley, or jones) I just don't want to have to trade up to get any if we have top 5 pick. Wouldn't mind (if we are confident one would still be there) trading back a couple of spots to pick up another pick.

I would love to see Jones as a Chief strong arm, makes quick decisions, and is very accurate.

jap1
12-12-2011, 07:14 PM
You are both right I just did not look at the numbers. I could not belive the Chiefs have played the weakest schedule I mean look who they have played only three teams have a losing record that we have played.

I am with you. At first I was all ready to fire back a post to Tex saying that no way we have the weakest schedule. I had even started typing it up. Until I went onto ESPN's playoff standings website and saw that, yes, in fact our SOS is .479. LOL. Luckily I did that before my foot got thoroughly lodged into my gullet.

Not sure how that happened, because I thought we were playing all of last year's division champs. Other than the Colts, I thought last year's division champs were all doing well this year.

texaschief
12-12-2011, 07:28 PM
I am with you. At first I was all ready to fire back a post to Tex saying that no way we have the weakest schedule. I had even started typing it up. Until I went onto ESPN's playoff standings website and saw that, yes, in fact our SOS is .479. LOL. Luckily I did that before my foot got thoroughly lodged into my gullet.

Not sure how that happened, because I thought we were playing all of last year's division champs. Other than the Colts, I thought last year's division champs were all doing well this year.

You should know by now that I support what I write with REAL substance. Hopefully, y'all also saw that these OWPs aren't final and will probably change after the next 3 games considering we play 3 winning football teams including an undefeated GB team. The Chiefs may very well stay around pick 10 or so, but I didn't feel like doing all the math for every team based on how I think they're going to finish the season at 5am.

jap1
12-12-2011, 07:49 PM
You should know by now that I support what I write with REAL substance. Hopefully, y'all also saw that these OWPs aren't final and will probably change after the next 3 games considering we play 3 winning football teams including an undefeated GB team. The Chiefs may very well stay around pick 10 or so, but I didn't feel like doing all the math for every team based on how I think they're going to finish the season at 5am.

I did know better than to doubt you Tex. Which is why I had to look it up myself. LOL :bananen_smilies046:

It makes a little more sense if ESPN's numbers dont include the games we have left. Adding 14 wins from GB definitely would change that percentage.

GoHardorGoHome
12-12-2011, 11:09 PM
[/quote]
I think we will continue to be at the bottom of the league if we dont upgrade the OL. I think it is a much bigger need over QB.[/quote]

I agree that we definitely need a REAL LT but really, what we need is 3rd down conversions and a QB who doesn't throw int's under pressure. That would be RGIII.

This dude was sacked......get this..........23 times this year. WOW. And he only threw 6 int's (even with all that pressure). You know why? He moves well out of the pocket and has an incredibly accurate deep ball. He also runs and converts 3rd downs. And oh yeah, btw, his passer rating is higher than Luck and all of his numbers (not to mention his 9 rushing TD's). I've watched him for 3yrs and he would be an immediate game changer to our offense even if there was no playbook and he came in and took the snap, avoided the rush and threw it deep to one of three of the killer B's.

Then Defenses would have to assign someone to "spy" him. It would immediately change our ability to move the football.

Picture this:

RGIII - QB
Charles - RB
McClain - FB
Moeki - TE
Bowe - WR
Breaston - WR
Baldwin - WR

McCluster - 3DRB

Holy $&^$






Why do we throw short @$$ passes and never get 3rd down conversions? No time to throw the $%## ball.

YES.....dust off the pocketbook and get us a legitimate LT in FA. Someone proven. Then move Albert to RT. Our defense has done more than we could ever ask them. We are very very close on D.

Get us a mobile QB with accuracy and great judgement and a frickin' legit LT and we are a competitive football team. Go Chiefs!

OPLookn
12-13-2011, 01:46 PM
I think we will continue to be at the bottom of the league if we dont upgrade the OL. I think it is a much bigger need over QB.[/quote]

I agree that we definitely need a REAL LT but really, what we need is 3rd down conversions and a QB who doesn't throw int's under pressure. That would be RGIII.

This dude was sacked......get this..........23 times this year. WOW. And he only threw 6 int's (even with all that pressure). You know why? He moves well out of the pocket and has an incredibly accurate deep ball. He also runs and converts 3rd downs. And oh yeah, btw, his passer rating is higher than Luck and all of his numbers (not to mention his 9 rushing TD's). I've watched him for 3yrs and he would be an immediate game changer to our offense even if there was no playbook and he came in and took the snap, avoided the rush and threw it deep to one of three of the killer B's.

Then Defenses would have to assign someone to "spy" him. It would immediately change our ability to move the football.

Picture this:

RGIII - QB
Charles - RB
McClain - FB
Moeki - TE
Bowe - WR
Breaston - WR
Baldwin - WR

McCluster - 3DRB

Holy $&^$






Why do we throw short @$$ passes and never get 3rd down conversions? No time to throw the $%## ball.

YES.....dust off the pocketbook and get us a legitimate LT in FA. Someone proven. Then move Albert to RT. Our defense has done more than we could ever ask them. We are very very close on D.

Get us a mobile QB with accuracy and great judgement and a frickin' legit LT and we are a competitive football team. Go Chiefs![/QUOTE]

Wouldn't be upset with this scenario at all! Get RG3 with our first, a legit LT or RT in free agency and with the 2nd rounder draft us a NT like Ta'amu or Poe.

Walter football has us drafting Jones (QB), Oklahoma, Poe (NT), Memphis and Mosley (OT), Auburn in the first 3 rounds. If this was the case wow would I be happy!

OPLookn
12-13-2011, 01:47 PM
I think we will continue to be at the bottom of the league if we dont upgrade the OL. I think it is a much bigger need over QB.

I agree that we definitely need a REAL LT but really, what we need is 3rd down conversions and a QB who doesn't throw int's under pressure. That would be RGIII.

This dude was sacked......get this..........23 times this year. WOW. And he only threw 6 int's (even with all that pressure). You know why? He moves well out of the pocket and has an incredibly accurate deep ball. He also runs and converts 3rd downs. And oh yeah, btw, his passer rating is higher than Luck and all of his numbers (not to mention his 9 rushing TD's). I've watched him for 3yrs and he would be an immediate game changer to our offense even if there was no playbook and he came in and took the snap, avoided the rush and threw it deep to one of three of the killer B's.

Then Defenses would have to assign someone to "spy" him. It would immediately change our ability to move the football.

Picture this:

RGIII - QB
Charles - RB
McClain - FB
Moeki - TE
Bowe - WR
Breaston - WR
Baldwin - WR

McCluster - 3DRB

Holy $&^$






Why do we throw short @$$ passes and never get 3rd down conversions? No time to throw the $%## ball.

YES.....dust off the pocketbook and get us a legitimate LT in FA. Someone proven. Then move Albert to RT. Our defense has done more than we could ever ask them. We are very very close on D.

Get us a mobile QB with accuracy and great judgement and a frickin' legit LT and we are a competitive football team. Go Chiefs!

Wouldn't be upset with this scenario at all! Get RG3 with our first, a legit LT or RT in free agency and with the 2nd rounder draft us a NT like Ta'amu or Poe.

Walter football has us drafting Jones (QB), Oklahoma, Poe (NT), Memphis and Mosley (OT), Auburn in the first 3 rounds. If this was the case wow would I be happy!

GoHardorGoHome
12-13-2011, 01:54 PM
Wouldn't be upset with this scenario at all! Get RG3 with our first, a legit LT or RT in free agency and with the 2nd rounder draft us a NT like Ta'amu or Poe.

Walter football has us drafting Jones (QB), Oklahoma, Poe (NT), Memphis and Mosley (OT), Auburn in the first 3 rounds. If this was the case wow would I be happy!

As an avid Oklahoma Sooner fan I must say that Landry only does well in a sound pocket. If he doesn't set his feet, or he gets rushed he will throw INT after INT. Let's hope we have a shot to get RGIII. If not I would take Barkley in a heartbeat.

OPLookn
12-13-2011, 02:01 PM
As an avid Oklahoma Sooner fan I must say that Landry only does well in a sound pocket. If he doesn't set his feet, or he gets rushed he will throw INT after INT. Let's hope we have a shot to get RGIII. If not I would take Barkley in a heartbeat.

Agreed, I've watched enough Oklahoma ball to know that Jones is over hyped at a first rounder. I honestly wouldn't be suprized to see him be like Colt McCoy. Supposed to be drafted possibly late round 1st and end up going in the 3rd I believe?

RG3 would be a good guy to get but I just don't know if he'd be there when we pick. I've seen us picking the highest in this thread at 4th or 5th to 14th on walter football.

dbolan
12-13-2011, 02:07 PM
Is the problem with positionng or evaluating players for the postions we need?

OPLookn
12-13-2011, 02:11 PM
Is the problem with positionng or evaluating players for the postions we need?

I'm not understanding your question because QB, NT and linemen are positions we need. That is unless you like our backup/starting QB of Palko, Richardson as RT and an aging Gregg at NT.