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marloweopatchiefs
12-12-2011, 05:10 PM
Final straw for Haley getting fired was: 'Todd Haley and Dwayne Bowe had a major falling out,... - Arrowhead Pride (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/12/12/2631088/final-straw-for-haley-getting-fired-was-todd-haley-and-dwayne-bowe)

toyotapower
12-12-2011, 05:15 PM
Wow.... if true just wow.

texaschief
12-12-2011, 05:20 PM
Really?? Todd Haley being a dick to one of his players??


... shocking

OPLookn
12-12-2011, 05:22 PM
If true this really just shows how unready Haley is for the HC position or any position in the NFL. You don't just go and say horrific things to any player or anyone really and expect them to be just fine with it. I have to commend Bowe actually for not putting up with it and going to Pioli. Some people would have just taken it.

stricken721
12-12-2011, 05:24 PM
Maybe it is a good thing that Haley is gone then. I'm sure that most of the KC fan base wants Dwayne Bowe to remain a Chief.

OPLookn
12-12-2011, 05:25 PM
Maybe it is a good thing that Haley is gone then. I'm sure that most of the KC fan base wants Dwayne Bowe to remain a Chief.

Again, if it's true I don't care if it's Bowe or the water boy. Don't know what was said but if "horrific" things were said you can't be in that position and say anything like that period.

Hayvern
12-12-2011, 05:26 PM
Finally, some vindication here, I have been saying for a long time that Haley was an a$$. It shows.

josh1971
12-12-2011, 05:27 PM
Finally, some vindication here, I have been saying for a long time that Haley was an ARROGANT, STUBBORN a$$. It shows.

There, I fixed that for you. :bananen_smilies046:

texaschief
12-12-2011, 05:33 PM
I've only been saying this for 3 freaking years... I said it was a poor hire since day one and for reasons like these... not losing because of injuries.

It's not like there weren't any red flags BEFORE he got here...

http://youtu.be/9Ghns37TLUY

azchiefsfan
12-12-2011, 05:36 PM
I think it explains why these guys just didn't seem to want to play some days. Yes they have to be professional, but low morale is a cancer that will eat a team.

Three7s
12-12-2011, 05:49 PM
Nick Wright isn't exactly good credibility.

All he does is sling out ideas and pray it sticks.

texaschief
12-12-2011, 05:53 PM
Nick Wright isn't exactly good credibility.

All he does is sling out ideas and pray it sticks.

Yeah... Haley doesn't have a track record of this kind of behavior... ESPECIALLY toward receivers...

chief31
12-12-2011, 06:22 PM
If true this really just shows how unready Haley is for the HC position or any position in the NFL. You don't just go and say horrific things to any player or anyone really and expect them to be just fine with it. I have to commend Bowe actually for not putting up with it and going to Pioli. Some people would have just taken it.

I don't see how this would alter anything at all.

He spent his first season here making enemies of countless Chiefs players.

The stories died down last year, with the success. But this is not some big revelation here. We all knew Todd Haley was especially hard on players.

I think Haley got better results than I could have hoped for, last year, and this.

I think he was fired for personal reasons, and likely to make room for a planned replacement.

Chiefster
12-12-2011, 06:27 PM
I think the last straw was his inability to get along with just about everybody from Pioli to every single OC to the players, and a 5-8 season record to date didn't help. As well as, his ineffectiveness to develop as a HC. JMHO

OPLookn
12-12-2011, 06:39 PM
I don't see how this would alter anything at all.

He spent his first season here making enemies of countless Chiefs players.

The stories died down last year, with the success. But this is not some big revelation here. We all knew Todd Haley was especially hard on players.

I think Haley got better results than I could have hoped for, last year, and this.

I think he was fired for personal reasons, and likely to make room for a planned replacement.

If there was a plan by the upper management then yeah, what he said wouldn't have mattered. With stress usually comes comments like Haley having more fights with his players his first year than when winning his second year. Now the stress comes back because he isn't winning and what happens happened.

As for changing it no, but if Pioli and Hunt were on the bubble him saying horrible things and this last game had to be the final straws. That'd be like your bosses boss coming down and saying some really nasty stuff to you that isn't needed and no matter what no matter how much you dislike the person if you really wanna chew into them you pull them inside and then rip into them but do it professionally. I don't care what business you're in any good manager knows you don't chew out an employee to bad in public. You just DON'T do it...period. Those that do it to try and motivate know when to do it and keep it to a minimal level and don't say really mean $hit it's just fire to get them going.

Again, if this is true I don't think it was to get Bowe fired up, I think it was just mean and all the players saw it and lost respect for Haley. I said something to that effect (basically that he lost the players) in another post but I played it off and others dismissed it enough but now it really makes me wonder.

kcvet
12-12-2011, 06:56 PM
one of the reasons Tony G left he didn't want any of Haley's lip

chief31
12-12-2011, 07:01 PM
If there was a plan by the upper management then yeah, what he said wouldn't have mattered. With stress usually comes comments like Haley having more fights with his players his first year than when winning his second year. Now the stress comes back because he isn't winning and what happens happened.

As for changing it no, but if Pioli and Hunt were on the bubble him saying horrible things and this last game had to be the final straws. That'd be like your bosses boss coming down and saying some really nasty stuff to you that isn't needed and no matter what no matter how much you dislike the person if you really wanna chew into them you pull them inside and then rip into them but do it professionally. I don't care what business you're in any good manager knows you don't chew out an employee to bad in public. You just DON'T do it...period. Those that do it to try and motivate know when to do it and keep it to a minimal level and don't say really mean it's just fire to get them going.

Again, if this is true I don't think it was to get Bowe fired up, I think it was just mean and all the players saw it and lost respect for Haley. I said something to that effect (basically that he lost the players) in another post but I played it off and others dismissed it enough but now it really makes me wonder.

Basically, saying that this was the last straw sounds like a cop-out.

How many of those same straws did he shatter in his first year, and seemed to have the full support of Pioli through it all?

Bernard Pollard went after Haley, and had to be restrained.

Brian Waters, NFL 2009 Man of The Year winner, was basically told that he had no business with the team's management.

And half the roster had issues with Haley that season.

I would say that Todd Haley being an a** to his players should have been expected.

OPLookn
12-12-2011, 07:06 PM
Basically, saying that this was the last straw sounds like a cop-out.

How many of those same straws did he shatter in his first year, and seemed to have the full support of Pioli through it all?

Bernard Pollard went after Haley, and had to be restrained.

Brian Waters, NFL 2009 Man of The Year winner, was basically told that he had no business with the team's management.

And half the roster had issues with Haley that season.

I would say that Todd Haley being an a** to his players should have been expected.

You said it earlier that a lot of the talk died down last year. Winning makes it easier for putting up with @**es. But I wouldn't say it's a cop out.

There are things that people just won't put up with but on most things people get in that gray area and for whatever reason at some point are done. Losing makes people less able to put up with @**es and it also makes said @**es more vocal because well....they're that way to begin with.

Was it expected yes, was it put up after he started losing, the answer to that culminated with today's answer.

drstandley31
12-12-2011, 07:07 PM
Haley did not have enough experience to get this team out of the hole it was in. He tried, but just didn't have enough coaching tools in his own box to handle everything that needs done. The Chiefs will have to find a proven coach that can get above so much of the daily BS and move this team in the right direction. I think Haley will be a decent HC someday, if he continues to work on it, but just not now.

chief31
12-12-2011, 07:12 PM
It all points toward the idea that The Chiefs were done with Todd Haley long before this week.

Just like in Miami, where the team was suddenly winning, they found an excuse to make the move that really wanted to make, and made it before things started going too well.

With Haley, I think they used little situations like this Bowe rumor, and the Palko/Stanzi issue, and used it to make their move now, instead of when they were likely planning on it.

Bike
12-12-2011, 07:24 PM
It all points toward the idea that The Chiefs were done with Todd Haley long before this week.

Just like in Miami, where the team was suddenly winning, they found an excuse to make the move that really wanted to make, and made it before things started going too well.

With Haley, I think they used little situations like this Bowe rumor, and the Palko/Stanzi issue, and used it to make their move now, instead of when they were likely planning on it.
I think the timing of this firing had more to do with the fact that the Jets knocked us out of a shot at the playoffs - in another blowout loss. There was a couple of us that predicted this firing today...

matthewschiefs
12-12-2011, 07:26 PM
The final straw for Haley was 5 blowout losses. That will and SHOULD get any coach fired.

chief31
12-12-2011, 07:27 PM
I think the timing of this firing had more to do with the fact that the Jets knocked us out of a shot at the playoffs - in another blowout loss. There was a couple of us that predicted this firing today...

Yeah. I thought about that too.

But, either way, I think this move was decided upon well in advance.

GoHardorGoHome
12-12-2011, 11:31 PM
Yeah... Haley doesn't have a track record of this kind of behavior... ESPECIALLY toward receivers...

That's hilarious. :koolaid: If I recall you are correct, he had a falling out with Bolin in AZ right before both parted ways with the Cardinals.

Haley definitely has shown signs of mental instability. Going to lil' Wayne concerts with players.......playing bean bags in the locker room......not shaving and dressing like a bum. You're the HC dude (correction.....was the HC), not an intern who's buddies with someone on the team, hangin' out and kickin' it on the sidelines. There's a lot of intelligent people that are great at their profession but it doesn't mean they're a great leader. You want a rookie coach, we had one. You have to have a great leader as a HC. Period, end of story. :banghead:

dbolan
12-13-2011, 01:40 PM
Bowe has had to be prodded to be as productive as he has been. You should not have to PROD professionals. Along the same lines as having to get onto to your kids all of the time for the same things...Eventually, the **** hits the fan.

TopekaRoy
12-13-2011, 10:40 PM
Okay, let me see if I got this right:

A fan said that Nick Wright said that Bowe told Pioli that Haley was saying "horrific things" about him and Piloi told Haley to "stop it."

Sounds credible to me, but I have a few questions.

When did Nick say this, on his radio show? When did it supposedly happen? What were these "horrific things" that Haley said? Did he stop it after Pioli told him to?

I can just picture the conversation ...

Bowe: Hey mr. Pioli. Coach is saying horrific things about me in front of my teammates. He really hurt my feelings.

Pioli: Well, what did he say?

Bowe: He said I drop too many easy catches because I don't concentrate!

Pioli: Well ... um, er ... Why, that SOB! I'll talk to him. You just keep doing what you are doing and I'll take care of it.

And with all the play calling problems, not having his team ready, not making good halftime adjustments, insisting on keeping Palko in the game and leading the team to a 5-8 record, this was the "last straw?"

matthewschiefs
12-13-2011, 10:43 PM
Okay, let me see if I got this right:

A fan said that Nick Wright said that Bowe told Pioli that Haley was saying "horrific things" about him and Piloi told Haley to "stop it."

Sounds credible to me, but I have a few questions.

When did Nick say this, on his radio show? When did it supposedly happen? What were these "horrific things" that Haley said? Did he stop it after Pioli told him to?

I can just picture the conversation ...

Bowe: Hey mr. Pioli. Coach is saying horrific things about me in front of my teammates. He really hurt my feelings.

Pioli: Well, what did he say?

Bowe: He said I drop too many easy catches because I don't concentrate!

Pioli: Well ... um, er ... Why, that SOB! I'll talk to him. You just keep doing what you are doing and I'll take care of it.

And with all the play calling problems, not having his team ready, not making good halftime adjustments, insisting on keeping Palko in the game and leading the team to a 5-8 record, this was the "last straw?"


My thought was this

HALEY Palkos better then you

Bowe (AFTER 30 minuits of crying) Excuse me Mr Pioli Haley just told me Palkos better then me

Pioli: OMG That SOBS gone.