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boiler01
12-21-2011, 04:31 PM
Some info about KO from a Purdue alum (1997-2004 when Drew Brees and Kyle Orton were in school).

I agree with the general notion that KO is an above average NFL QB lacking the "it" factor, but I firmly believe he can become a great QB with "it", put in the right situation - pretty much true for every QB, unfortunately KO is still waiting for his.

First of all, KO has all the tools, hardware and software. He was great in college (and high school). He's the only Purdue QB starting 4 bowl games, something Drew Brees, Bob Griese, and Len Dawson never did. KO started his senior year as a Heisman hopeful and considered by many the "surefire No.1 pick" for 2005 NFL draft, but in mid-season a few mishaps and injuries hit him, derailing Purdue's dream season and slipping him into late round.

As a rookie, KO started 15 games for the Bears, going 10-5. He was asked to be a game manager behind a great defense and he did his job. Then Grossman the "franchise QB" came back from injuries. KO didn't start again until two years later, when Bears finally gave up on Grossman. In the first half of 2008 season, KO played great and was considered a MVP candidate (go googling if you didn't know that), but then the injury bug hit again, and the Bears defense lost 4 games in waning minutes (go look at those game recaps at ESPN) but all blames went to the QB... Traded to Denver off season. Started 6-0 in 2009, gaining loud praises, then somehow things went south. In 2010, KO played 13 games, 3500+ yards, 20 TDs, 9 INTs, 1 fumble, not as bad as people made him out to be. Those who call him a turnover machine are outright donkeys.

Now, what has prevented KO from being "franchise"? He has adequate arm and accuracy. He has the intelligence to read and beat defense. He's a hard worker with leadership (at Denver he's a captain elected by his teammates). Nobody can deny those. The only thing he has lacked is consistent support from higher up, not killer instinct. Having someone constantly looking over your shoulder, having your coaches constantly doubting backstabbing you either because you were drafted low and cheap or they are looking for a scapegoat, is not something many QBs can overcome, and you will get conservative and hesitative in your play, which in turn can affect your confidence and consistency. KO was not this way in college at all. He was as much a gunslinger as Drew Brees (that being said, very few people on this planet are as mentally tough as Brees).

I think KO and KC are a perfect match in element and style. Give him a commitment, let him go loose, and you will get a Len Dawson II in return. I'm sure of it.

Fans always get excited about drafting a new QB, but always ready to ignore the truth of the matter in drafting a QB. This year nobody other than Andrew Luck is much beyond the likes of Leahart, Quinn, Young, Russell, Carr, fans certainly forgot fast how highly touted those guys were out of college. As a matter of fact, most Saints fans in 2006 wanted Young or wanted to wait for Quinn the next year, there you have it.

honda522
12-21-2011, 04:37 PM
Kyle Orton is the next Trent Green. He has a weird looking face though.

boiler01
12-21-2011, 04:45 PM
Kyle Orton is the next Trent Green. He has a weird looking face though.

As a Chief fan for more than 600 hours, I disapprove this message. I think he can certainly be better. :drunkhb:

TopekaRoy
12-21-2011, 05:12 PM
As a Chief fan for more than 600 hours, I disapprove this message. I think he can certainly be better. :drunkhb:
Good first post and welcome to the ChiefsCrowd forum.

I've been a Bears fan all my life so I was following KO closely long before he was traded to the Broncos.

I think he has "it" as long as he can be put in the right situation. And I can't imagine a better situation for him than KC. Good ball control, clock-eating run game, strong defense. Those are the same tings he had when he was having success in Chicago.

okikcfan
12-21-2011, 05:16 PM
Good read and very good points boiler, I still have to see how he plays in the next two games, but I do like what I have seen so far.

matthewschiefs
12-21-2011, 05:19 PM
Kyle Orton is the next Trent Green. He has a weird looking face though.

I think this could be the case to. But this time we will have a defense to go along with it. I hope Orton is the guy for the next few years. But I am not 100% sold on him just yet.

Coach
12-21-2011, 05:21 PM
I was a big Kyle Orton fan until reading this thread. I did not realize he was a Purdue Boilermaker. Draft a qb in the first round.

Signed,
#1 Indiana Hoosiers Fan

boiler01
12-21-2011, 05:29 PM
I was a big Kyle Orton fan until reading this thread. I did not realize he was a Purdue Boilermaker. Draft a qb in the first round.

Signed,
#1 Indiana Hoosiers Fan

:lol: You do know who helped Brees lifting the Lombardi trophy, yep, Porter the Hoosier. Now let's go draft an IU corner...

TopekaRoy
12-21-2011, 05:50 PM
Kyle Orton is the next Trent Green. He has a weird looking face though.
Really?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_335DKn2pO6U/Ss6jjI06PvI/AAAAAAAAB9U/y2XJ5A3mi4w/s320/kyle_orton_drunk31.jpg
http://drunkathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/kyle_orton_chicago_bears_4_drunk_pictures1.jpg
http://drunkathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/kyle_orton_chicago_bears_5_drunk_pictures1.jpg

Nah. I don't see it. :D

N TX Dave
12-21-2011, 06:54 PM
Really?


http://drunkathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/kyle_orton_chicago_bears_4_drunk_pictures1.jpg


Nah. I don't see it. :D

He might have a funny looking face but he has a fine lady on his arm and he is not driving. Even if he does have a funny looking face which is fine with me as long as he can play where does it say a starting QB must be Mr GQ? Besides in a helmet you really can't see what he looks like.

TopekaRoy
12-21-2011, 07:02 PM
...as long as he can play ...
^^This^^
and...

... in a helmet you really can't see what he looks like.
Thank God for that! :D

2010chiefs
12-21-2011, 10:36 PM
Yup. The whole team looked solid as a whole out there with Orton moving the ball. This time the defense were chomping at the bit to get back out there after the offense maintained possesion. I'm certain Orton will do great on Saturday.

figcrostic
12-21-2011, 11:23 PM
Great read thanks. If Orton plays like he did against the fudge packers, for the remainder of the season he should be signed immediately.

ctchiefsfan
12-22-2011, 02:38 AM
Orton MIGHT be "The Man". He has 2 games to prove he deserves the chance to prove it.

honda522
12-22-2011, 07:13 AM
Really?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_335DKn2pO6U/Ss6jjI06PvI/AAAAAAAAB9U/y2XJ5A3mi4w/s320/kyle_orton_drunk31.jpg
http://drunkathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/kyle_orton_chicago_bears_4_drunk_pictures1.jpg
http://drunkathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/kyle_orton_chicago_bears_5_drunk_pictures1.jpg

Nah. I don't see it. :D

Lol. He looks stoned alot. Either way as long as he can play I don't care what he looks like. I was just making an observation... He doesn't have very wide eyes, maybe thats why.

TopekaRoy
12-22-2011, 08:11 AM
Lol. He looks stoned alot. Either way as long as he can play I don't care what he looks like. I was just making an observation... He doesn't have very wide eyes, maybe thats why.
Yeah, I just posted those picks to add a little levity to the site. I don't want to imply that Orton has a drinking problem and that's something we should be worried about. Keep in mind that those pictures were taken over 5 1/2 years ago and it was well after the football season was over. I'm sure he doesn't show up on game day with a big hangover!

But if he does and he can still play like he did against the Packers then more power to him!

dbolan
12-22-2011, 09:27 AM
Good first post and welcome to the ChiefsCrowd forum.

I've been a Bears fan all my life so I was following KO closely long before he was traded to the Broncos.

I think he has "it" as long as he can be put in the right situation. And I can't imagine a better situation for him than KC. Good ball control, clock-eating run game, strong defense. Those are the same tings he had when he was having success in Chicago.

Everyone "has it" if the situation is right. lol

josh1971
12-22-2011, 09:45 AM
Wow, a whole site called drunkathlete.com...


Must be hell living in your mom's basement and collecting pictures of people drinking.

ashestowake
12-22-2011, 11:32 AM
Kyle orton is a great QB

figcrostic
12-22-2011, 11:36 AM
Lol. He looks stoned alot. Either way as long as he can play I don't care what he looks like. I was just making an observation... He doesn't have very wide eyes, maybe thats why.

I've never heard so many men focusing on how attractive another man is, it's a little disturbing.... This is a football forum right?

dbolan
12-22-2011, 02:10 PM
I've never heard so many men focusing on how attractive another man is, it's a little disturbing.... This is a football forum right?

I noticed that too...but I decided to let them drool for a while....LMAO

dbolan
12-22-2011, 02:12 PM
Kyle Orton can be our man, he def should be our man in 12

Is he YOUR man?? LMAO

ctchiefsfan
12-22-2011, 02:14 PM
My Man Orton's man-crush on Kyle Orton is getting out of control.

dbolan
12-22-2011, 02:14 PM
Yeah, I just posted those picks to add a little levity to the site. I don't want to imply that Orton has a drinking problem and that's something we should be worried about. Keep in mind that those pictures were taken over 5 1/2 years ago and it was well after the football season was over. I'm sure he doesn't show up on game day with a big hangover!

But if he does and he can still play like he did against the Packers then more power to him!

And I am sure no one around here has hit a doob and/or turned up a bottle of liquor while having a hot chick sit on their lap!

On second thought...I am sure most of you haven't!:D

And she said to me: :maid:

ctchiefsfan
12-22-2011, 02:26 PM
Hot young chick on my lap? Bottle of booze? Where do I sign up? Does she give good .........Maybe I shouldn't finish that....

dbolan
12-22-2011, 02:44 PM
Hot young chick on my lap? Bottle of booze? Where do I sign up? Does she give good .........Maybe I shouldn't finish that....

She does it all if you have her in that situation! haha But you gotta get yourself there!:D

ctchiefsfan
12-22-2011, 03:02 PM
Sadly....all the hot young chicks call me gandpa these days.

dbolan
12-22-2011, 03:10 PM
Sadly....all the hot young chicks call me gandpa these days.

I know but if you look at the one in the pic with him..She is an older woman!! LMAO Seems to be the trend these days!

ctchiefsfan
12-22-2011, 03:17 PM
I know but if you look at the one in the pic with him..She is an older woman!! LMAO Seems to be the trend these days!

The pic as it appears on my screen does not show the woman...or just a tiny corner of her face....but yeah....the world is turned upside down. The young bucks want the older women and us old farts want the young stuff. This discussion is getting depressing! I'm going to go buy a new shotgun for my Pheasant trip in January.

dbolan
12-22-2011, 04:44 PM
The pic as it appears on my screen does not show the woman...or just a tiny corner of her face....but yeah....the world is turned upside down. The young bucks want the older women and us old farts want the young stuff. This discussion is getting depressing! I'm going to go buy a new shotgun for my Pheasant trip in January.


I am considered old but I want the young, old and in between! Haha!!:lol:

ctchiefsfan
12-22-2011, 05:27 PM
I am considered old but I want the young, old and in between! Haha!!:lol:

Just back from my local "gun pusher". New shotgun made me feel a little better.

Young is great! In between is good. My own age.....meah....not so much. As my 11 year younger 3rd wife once said...."Men age so much better than women!"

KCraised
12-22-2011, 07:01 PM
He kindof reminds me of Tom Green with jim carreys "dumb and dumber" haircut. That boy loves him some Jack Daniels...

honda522
12-25-2011, 10:08 PM
I've never heard so many men focusing on how attractive another man is, it's a little disturbing.... This is a football forum right?

I never said how attractive he was...I was just say how his face kinda creeps me out.

honda522
12-25-2011, 10:11 PM
I still don't believe Kyle is that great. He just needs to manage games and I think we should get Charles back and be a running team first.

TopekaRoy
12-26-2011, 04:12 AM
I've never heard so many men focusing on how attractive another man is, it's a little disturbing.... This is a football forum right?
It seems to me that most people are focusing on how ugly Orton is.

Homophobic?

ctchiefsfan
12-26-2011, 05:51 AM
That boy loves him some Jack Daniels...

Nothing wrong with JD!

Big Daddy Tek
12-26-2011, 11:08 AM
OMG. Come on guys, please tell me this thread is just a very bed Christmas gag gift. This is what I like to call the "Kyle Orton Effect." He has above average qualities in many throwing areas, but the one thing that he has absolutely nothing in is the "IT" area that TopekaRoy actually said he has. This guy is the most uninspiring trash bag on any football team. As a Chiefs fan who covers the Broncos, I know first hand about Kyle Orton and the guy is a loser. You don't want him nowhere near your team.

TopekaRoy
12-26-2011, 02:33 PM
I know first hand about Kyle Orton and the guy is a loser. You don't want him nowhere near your team.
As a rookie with the Bears Orton was 9-4 including and 8 game winning streak. The first thing he does after getting traded to the Broncos is win 6 games in a row. His first game with the 5-8 Kansas City Chiefs is a win over the undefeated 13-0 defending Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.

That's the kind of loser I want at quarterback.


Oh, BTW" "You don't want him nowhere" is a double negative. It means you do want him somewhere.

KCraised
12-26-2011, 03:35 PM
Nothing wrong with JD!

I know thats right...lol.
Ive switched over to Jim Beam now. Switch it up for awhile:-)

Neckbeardarmy18
12-26-2011, 06:01 PM
Some info about KO from a Purdue alum (1997-2004 when Drew Brees and Kyle Orton were in school).

I agree with the general notion that KO is an above average NFL QB lacking the "it" factor, but I firmly believe he can become a great QB with "it", put in the right situation - pretty much true for every QB, unfortunately KO is still waiting for his.

First of all, KO has all the tools, hardware and software. He was great in college (and high school). He's the only Purdue QB starting 4 bowl games, something Drew Brees, Bob Griese, and Len Dawson never did. KO started his senior year as a Heisman hopeful and considered by many the "surefire No.1 pick" for 2005 NFL draft, but in mid-season a few mishaps and injuries hit him, derailing Purdue's dream season and slipping him into late round.

As a rookie, KO started 15 games for the Bears, going 10-5. He was asked to be a game manager behind a great defense and he did his job. Then Grossman the "franchise QB" came back from injuries. KO didn't start again until two years later, when Bears finally gave up on Grossman. In the first half of 2008 season, KO played great and was considered a MVP candidate (go googling if you didn't know that), but then the injury bug hit again, and the Bears defense lost 4 games in waning minutes (go look at those game recaps at ESPN) but all blames went to the QB... Traded to Denver off season. Started 6-0 in 2009, gaining loud praises, then somehow things went south. In 2010, KO played 13 games, 3500+ yards, 20 TDs, 9 INTs, 1 fumble, not as bad as people made him out to be. Those who call him a turnover machine are outright donkeys.

Now, what has prevented KO from being "franchise"? He has adequate arm and accuracy. He has the intelligence to read and beat defense. He's a hard worker with leadership (at Denver he's a captain elected by his teammates). Nobody can deny those. The only thing he has lacked is consistent support from higher up, not killer instinct. Having someone constantly looking over your shoulder, having your coaches constantly doubting backstabbing you either because you were drafted low and cheap or they are looking for a scapegoat, is not something many QBs can overcome, and you will get conservative and hesitative in your play, which in turn can affect your confidence and consistency. KO was not this way in college at all. He was as much a gunslinger as Drew Brees (that being said, very few people on this planet are as mentally tough as Brees).

I think KO and KC are a perfect match in element and style. Give him a commitment, let him go loose, and you will get a Len Dawson II in return. I'm sure of it.

Fans always get excited about drafting a new QB, but always ready to ignore the truth of the matter in drafting a QB. This year nobody other than Andrew Luck is much beyond the likes of Leahart, Quinn, Young, Russell, Carr, fans certainly forgot fast how highly touted those guys were out of college. As a matter of fact, most Saints fans in 2006 wanted Young or wanted to wait for Quinn the next year, there you have it.

Kyle is one of the best there is since I have been watching him since kyle was drafted by the bears. Its very nice to see him hook up with thomas jones once again on the same team ! ( no offense to jamal charles ) Kyle can hang in with the best in the nfl and when things are clicking with the offense, kyle can light it up big time and move the chains in a big hurry. Im glad to see how the defense keeps the chiefs in the game as well. Despite the INTs orton threw i think kyle would have won last sundays game if palmer didnt throw the 50 yd + pass for a fg win.

keep the faith and go chiefs !

ctchiefsfan
12-27-2011, 09:43 PM
Ive switched over to Jim Beam now. Switch it up for awhile:-)

I too drink Beam most of the time....or JW Dant when I can still find it. For me JD is reserved for the best or worst moments....."when nothing but the best will do."