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hermhater
10-05-2007, 11:40 PM
GRETZ: First Things First

Oct 05, 2007, 8:57:05 AM by Bob Gretz (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/bob_gretz/) - FAQ (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2004/01/19/bob_gretz_faq/)


There were a lot of smiles among the offensive players in the Chiefs locker room this week.
Thatís what winning and a strong second half performance last Sunday will do. Larry Johnson was smiling because he finally broke through with a long run that wasnít called back by a penalty. He was even able to joke Thursday about a rookie defensive back getting into the end zone before he did.
Eddie Kennison was smiling because heís going to get back on the field this Sunday against Jacksonville. Remember, he suffered a hamstring injury on the first offensive play of the season down in Houston a month ago. Dwayne Bowe almost always seems to have a smile on his face, as he dreams of more days like last Sunday. Tony Gonzalez was smiling too, because heís about to become the top touchdown catcher among tight ends in pro football history.
After their slow start, the offense deserved a little sugar for what happened against the Chargers.
But one thing did not get solved in the San Diego victory and itís one of the biggest problems standing between the Chiefs offense and productivity: first down.
When it comes to the first play of any possession, the Chiefs are not very good. In fact, they rank among the worst offenses in the league. If you want to zero in on this teamís offensive travails, the first and biggest domino is first down.
So far this season, the Chiefs have had 100 snaps on first down; a nice round number to work with. Of those 100 plays, 60 produced gains of four yards or less. On average, they gained 4.36 yards on first down. The league leader is Dallas, averaging 7.66 yards on first down. The league average is 5.29 yards on first down.
Thatís a pretty ugly number for the Chiefs. But dig under the surface, and itís even worse. On 83 second down plays, the Chiefs average down and distance situation was 2nd-and-8.6 yards to go. Only San Francisco (9.08 yards) faced a tougher task on second down.
Second and nearly nine yards to go is no-manís land for a play-caller. Itís an obvious passing down, and that makes it so much easier for defenses to decipher the offensive plan. Invariably, it leads to third down-and-long and then a punt. On those second down plays, the Chiefs gained enough for a first down 22 times. That means they faced third down 53 times, converting it 18 times for 34 percent. That ranks tied for 28th.
Although there have been examples (Minnesota game) where first down was dominated by either the run or pass, overall the Chiefs have been 55-45 on first down, run to pass.
OK, so what does all this mean? The Chiefs coaching staff must continue to handle first down as it did against San Diego, where it was almost 50-50 run to pass. Teams have spent the whole off-season preparing for the Chiefs running game. They knew little about the Chiefs passing game. If they want to crowd the line of scrimmage, then put the ball in Damon Huardís hands. If they backup, put the ball in L.J.ís belly.
Mostly what must improve is the offensive execution. Early seasons excuses like training camp injuries and a lack of time to work together no longer hold water. Four games into the season, itís time the offensive line and the entire offense pulls together and begins to work with some rhythm.
Only then, will the first-down problem find a solution.



http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/10/05/gretz_first_things_first/

Chiefster
10-06-2007, 12:00 AM
I was going to move this thread to the Hardcore Discussion forum, but, alas, I have a question regarding the following quote:


Thatís a pretty ugly number for the Chiefs. But dig under the surface, and itís even worse. On 83 second down plays, the Chiefs average down and distance situation was 2nd-and-8.6 yards to go. Only San Francisco (9.08 yards) faced a tougher task on second down.
Second and nearly nine yards to go is no-manís land for a play-caller. Itís an obvious passing down, and that makes it so much easier for defenses to decipher the offensive plan. Invariably, it leads to third down-and-long and then a punt. On those second down plays, the Chiefs gained enough for a first down 22 times. That means they faced third down 53 times, converting it 18 times for 34 percent. That ranks tied for 28th.

Why is that necessarily a passing down; might not a draw play possibly catch the defense off guard?

hermhater
10-06-2007, 12:06 AM
I was going to move this thread to the Hardcore Discussion forum, but, alas, I have a question regarding the following quote:



Why is that necessarily a passing down; might not a draw play possibly catch the defense off guard?

I agree with you that a draw is an awesome play to call with LJ as a back.

The upside to this is the defense won't know what is coming now, because we are spreading the field.

A draw play would be perfectly acceptable, even a good idea(!), now that the opposing defense is not looking for LJ EVERY time we have an offensive play.

Then again I don't recall watching LJ pass block for Huard yet this year.

Can you?

(I put this in the Locker Room because I thought people were ignoring me for putting stuff about the Chiefs in Hardcore. Should have followed my instinckeds!)

Chiefster
10-06-2007, 12:20 AM
I agree with you that a draw is an awesome play to call with LJ as a back.

The upside to this is the defense won't know what is coming now, because we are spreading the field.

A draw play would be perfectly acceptable, even a good idea(!), now that the opposing defense is not looking for LJ EVERY time we have an offensive play.

Then again I don't recall watching LJ pass block for Huard yet this year.

Can you?

(I put this in the Locker Room because I thought people were ignoring me for putting stuff about the Chiefs in Hardcore. Should have followed my instinckeds!)

Agreed; I too disagree with that scenario being an obvious passing down.

...And, no apology necessary.

sling58
10-06-2007, 07:23 AM
I think it's okay to run or pass on first down. the problem we seem to have is we don't switch it up. Draw, up the gut, screen, reverse, go down the field, fullback sweep, etc. There are so many other things we can call. I see us changing up a little which I like.

chief31
10-06-2007, 11:38 PM
Why is that necessarily a passing down; might not a draw play possibly catch the defense off guard?

Or a reverse is nice, for that kind of situation.

Chiefster
10-07-2007, 12:02 AM
Or a reverse is nice, for that kind of situation.

Absolutely agree; I think the author of the article is a bit short sighted.

sling58
10-07-2007, 07:28 AM
Absolutely agree; I think the author of the article is a bit short sighted. I

would have to agree Chiefster. I don't think the author thought things thru.

Chiefster
10-08-2007, 10:43 PM
Wow! I have never had so many agree with me before. This posting thoughtful replies stuff is pretty cool! :D

hermhater
10-08-2007, 10:44 PM
Wow! I have never had so many agree with me before. This posting thoughtful replies stuff is pretty cool! :D

Why start now?

:lol:

McLovin
10-08-2007, 10:46 PM
Wow! I have never had so many agree with me before. This posting thoughtful replies stuff is pretty cool! :D
No go back to your post whoring and leave us thinking posters alone you you you post whore.... there I said it.

:lol::lol::lol:

rbedgood
10-08-2007, 11:06 PM
No go back to your post whoring and leave us thinking posters alone you you you post whore.... there I said it.

:lol::lol::lol:

Careful, read the ode of SMED...attacking the veterans is a dangerous line...:yahoo: :yahoo:

hermhater
10-08-2007, 11:07 PM
Careful, read the ode of SMED...attacking the veterans is a dangerous line...:yahoo: :yahoo:

So just to be clear...

We are still post whoring here?

:yahoo: :yahoo: :drunkhb: :toast2: :beer: :D

rbedgood
10-09-2007, 12:01 AM
So just to be clear...

We are still post whoring here?

:yahoo: :yahoo: :drunkhb: :toast2: :beer: :D

Since when have you been selective about the location of your Post Whoring?! :D :D

Chiefster
10-09-2007, 12:04 AM
No go back to your post whoring and leave us thinking posters alone you you you post whore.... there I said it.

:lol::lol::lol:

...Best post whore reply I've ever read. :sign0098:

rbedgood
10-09-2007, 12:05 AM
No go back to your post whoring and leave us thinking posters alone you you you post whore.... there I said it.

:lol::lol::lol:


...Best post whore reply I've ever read. :sign0098:

Careful PWhores...the vice squad is out

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Chiefster
10-09-2007, 12:07 AM
Careful PWhores...the vice squad is out

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...Light weights!

hermhater
10-09-2007, 12:27 AM
Since when have you been selective about the location of your Post Whoring?! :D :D

I think about it, sometimes...

Or rather I miss some posts I could whore into but I was watching Kid Rock on Letterman.

Chiefster
10-09-2007, 12:29 AM
I think about it, sometimes...

Or rather I miss some posts I could whore into but I was watching Kid Rock on Letterman.

Dude! Where are your priorities???:11:

hermhater
10-09-2007, 12:34 AM
Dude! Where are your priorities???:11:

I like Kid Rock and Letterman...

If I don't pay attention to them they go away.

You guys are always here!

:funnypost: :beer: :sign0153: :sign0098: :iamwithstupid: :toast2: :yahoo: :lol:

Chiefster
10-09-2007, 12:36 AM
I like Kid Rock and Letterman...

If I don't pay attention to them they go away.

You guys are always here!

:funnypost: :beer: :sign0153: :sign0098: :iamwithstupid: :toast2: :yahoo: :lol:

I hate to break it to ya, but: Kid rock and Letterman who????

McLovin
10-09-2007, 12:38 AM
I hate to break it to ya, but: Kid rock and Letterman who????
Shouldnt you be in bed old man.
:lol::lol::funnypost:
Just kiddin I know better I need to respect my much elders. Oops was that outloud.

Chiefster
10-09-2007, 12:40 AM
Shouldnt you be in bed old man.
:lol::lol::funnypost:
Just kiddin I know better I need to respect my much elders. Oops was that outloud.


Yong man I have forgotten more about post whoring then you ever.......what were we talking about??? :wheelchair:

m0ef0e
10-09-2007, 12:42 AM
Hand the ball to Priest.

hermhater
10-09-2007, 12:42 AM
I hate to break it to ya, but: Kid rock and Letterman who????

They are rich people that make me laugh and enjoy their musical entertainment.

It is another species than the people that I know!

:lol:

Chiefster
10-09-2007, 12:45 AM
They are rich people that make me laugh and enjoy their musical entertainment.

It is another species than the people that I know!

:lol:


Ah, yes; now I see.















Hand the ball to Priest.


That is all.

m0ef0e
10-09-2007, 12:53 AM
Ah, yes; now I see.


Hand the ball to Priest.


That is all.

You have seen the light.

hermhater
10-09-2007, 12:54 AM
Ah, yes; now I see.


















Hand the ball to Priest.


That is all.



Do spaces count as drama or more Arrowcash?

I am confused.

Chiefster
10-09-2007, 01:09 AM
You have seen the light.

Yes I have and I am blinded by it. :D

Chiefster
10-09-2007, 01:09 AM
Do spaces count as drama or more Arrowcash?

I am confused.

Yes.:11:

McLovin
10-09-2007, 01:11 AM
Yes.:11:
From an up and coming post whore, all I can say is you inspire me. Mad rep love comin your way.

rbedgood
10-09-2007, 01:11 AM
They are rich people that make me laugh and enjoy their musical entertainment.

It is another species than the people that I know!

:lol:

My name is Rich

I make people laugh

Oops...guess your not talking about me cuz I can't sing for crap...

hermhater
10-09-2007, 03:56 AM
Yes.:11:

dysfunctional...

Chiefster
10-09-2007, 10:00 AM
From an up and coming post whore, all I can say is you inspire me. Mad rep love comin your way.


Again, just going with a sense of moral post whoring sense of social responsibility. :D