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Bike
01-04-2012, 01:29 AM
1. Pioli should had stepped in immediately after Haley let Gaily go. That was the tell-tale sign that Haley was not the future of this team.
2. Pioli dishing out a 2nd round pick plus 60 million for a backup QB also not the brightest decision.
3. Pioli seems to be unable to separate himself from his New England connections rather than come up with his own team philosophy.

I think Clark made the wrong decision in making Pioli a NFL GM. And it shows. Perhaps, Clark might had extended the offer to Belichick, who made all the decisions while Pioli was working with him.
That said, I'll give Pioli another year to right this ship. Firing Haley is a start, but the fact remains that he was the man that hired him in the first place. I'm not too enthused about who he might bring in next.
Maybe I'm being too critical, maybe I'm just tired of sneaking into the playoffs once every 10 years, only to lose once we get there.

matthewschiefs
01-04-2012, 03:45 AM
I Think that is WAY to low of a grad for Pioli. In fact I think that Pioli is doing a good to very good job. Yes he has made mistakes along the way show me a Gm that hasn't. Haley I think can be considered as one of those mistakes but lets look at some of the moves.

Cassel I grant way to much was given up for him. And way to much money was given to him. But he has not been worthless. He did some good things. Is his time as the QB over we will have to see I give this one a C-

Drafting. We can all talk about Tyson Jackson. I think the value we got for a top 5 pick from him has been on the low end of what to expect but there have been more picks then this one.

To look at a few

Dexter Mccluster The guy put up a very solid year. Made a number of plays. Accounted for over 800 yards between rushing and as a WR. Very solid

Javier Arenas was 3rd in returns. Needs to get better in coverage but has not been awful hes made some plays. Don't think you can say that he's a great pick but also don't think you can say he's been a mistake

Justin Houston Slow start missed a off season due to the lockout witch probley had something to do with that slow start but by the end of the year he was making things happen. He was along with Hali getting pressure on the QBs. I think he was a good pick so far hope to only see him get better.

All in all when judgeing a GM after 3 season the question you have to ask is this team better then they were before Pioli took over. YES I don't think that many people can debate that. When you look at a divison title and in a year that was just not normal for anyone this team playing a 1st place schedule with a team that lost a number of there key parts coming close to winning a 2nd AFC west crown. Pioli is part of the good and the bad. Right now I think the good is far more then the bad. If he gets the next coach right this team can do great things. Things that we have not seen this team do in a LONG LONG time. Pioli is doing far better then a D- IMO

okikcfan
01-04-2012, 10:37 AM
Pioli has admitted his mistakes, with that, the way this season has gone and the whole Haley ordeal I expect Pioli to be more aggressive this year in FA. He wants and needs to get this right. We have not heard about the HC job but it is said in another thread that interviews where conducted before the end of the season which leads me to believe that Crennel may or my not be the man for HC. It is also very important to bring a solid OC. Are we a better team now, Oh heck yea. With a good draft and FA this off season we could very well be the best in the west. I don't see too much of a change this year at QB. That we will just have to wait and see.

wolfpack
01-04-2012, 10:59 AM
we are close to being good every year. i think this years draft and FA pickups will make or break pioli.
yes he has screwed up,tjack,backups,cassel, but we are better than with the queen and hermmie. i give him a c

kcchiefsfan18
01-04-2012, 11:39 AM
1. Pioli should had stepped in immediately after Haley let Gaily go. That was the tell-tale sign that Haley was not the future of this team.
2. Pioli dishing out a 2nd round pick plus 60 million for a backup QB also not the brightest decision.
3. Pioli seems to be unable to separate himself from his New England connections rather than come up with his own team philosophy.

I think Clark made the wrong decision in making Pioli a NFL GM. And it shows. Perhaps, Clark might had extended the offer to Belichick, who made all the decisions while Pioli was working with him.
That said, I'll give Pioli another year to right this ship. Firing Haley is a start, but the fact remains that he was the man that hired him in the first place. I'm not too enthused about who he might bring in next.
Maybe I'm being too critical, maybe I'm just tired of sneaking into the playoffs once every 10 years, only to lose once we get there.

Yeah let's get king Carl back in here.

dbolan
01-04-2012, 12:46 PM
we are close to being good every year...

Thats about like me saying I almost pulled out in time.

The end result, months later is not what you wanted or needed.

lmao

figcrostic
01-04-2012, 12:47 PM
Thats about like me saying I almost pulled out in time.

The end result, months later is not what you wanted or needed.

lmao

LMAO :bananen_smilies046:

figcrostic
01-04-2012, 12:49 PM
I Think that is WAY to low of a grad for Pioli. In fact I think that Pioli is doing a good to very good job. Yes he has made mistakes along the way show me a Gm that hasn't. Haley I think can be considered as one of those mistakes but lets look at some of the moves.

Cassel I grant way to much was given up for him. And way to much money was given to him. But he has not been worthless. He did some good things. Is his time as the QB over we will have to see I give this one a C-

Drafting. We can all talk about Tyson Jackson. I think the value we got for a top 5 pick from him has been on the low end of what to expect but there have been more picks then this one.

To look at a few

Dexter Mccluster The guy put up a very solid year. Made a number of plays. Accounted for over 800 yards between rushing and as a WR. Very solid

Javier Arenas was 3rd in returns. Needs to get better in coverage but has not been awful hes made some plays. Don't think you can say that he's a great pick but also don't think you can say he's been a mistake

Justin Houston Slow start missed a off season due to the lockout witch probley had something to do with that slow start but by the end of the year he was making things happen. He was along with Hali getting pressure on the QBs. I think he was a good pick so far hope to only see him get better.

All in all when judgeing a GM after 3 season the question you have to ask is this team better then they were before Pioli took over. YES I don't think that many people can debate that. When you look at a divison title and in a year that was just not normal for anyone this team playing a 1st place schedule with a team that lost a number of there key parts coming close to winning a 2nd AFC west crown. Pioli is part of the good and the bad. Right now I think the good is far more then the bad. If he gets the next coach right this team can do great things. Things that we have not seen this team do in a LONG LONG time. Pioli is doing far better then a D- IMO

No love for Kendrick Lewis? drafted in the 5th round
60 tackles 10 pdef 3 int 1 for td and 1 ff. I'd say that's a ridiculously good pick right there.

chief31
01-04-2012, 02:04 PM
You really have to dig deep for a reason to bash a GM who took a 2-12 team to the division crown in his second season, and missed it by a game in his third, after losing a significant amoutn of talent.

B

Far better than average.

An average perfomance would not make that much improvement.

matthewschiefs
01-04-2012, 02:11 PM
No love for Kendrick Lewis? drafted in the 5th round
60 tackles 10 pdef 3 int 1 for td and 1 ff. I'd say that's a ridiculously good pick right there.


Didn't want to talk about every pick just the ones that I have seen some complain about like Mccluster and Arenas and Justin Houston because he is a very underrated pick. Lewis has come along and has been anther good pick. A few others that I didn't mention that have worked out pretty good so far for the most part. Berry, Moaki, Succop all 3 of them have been of some help to this team. Our drafts have been pretty solid since Pioli got to KC.

Bike
01-04-2012, 07:18 PM
OK perhaps I was a little harsh on Pioli. I probably expect too much, too soon. If I don't see more saavy decision-making out of him this next season (FA, fix our lines, depth, and coaching), I will repost same time next year...

tornadospotter
01-05-2012, 12:05 AM
A -D, maybe a little low, A C- might be better. But a Gm must be graded differently. At the close of his career with the Chiefs, we all grew to dislike Carl Peterson. But look back and see what happened. Yes we did not get a SB, but we did rule the AFC West! It takes time for a GM to make a mark on the Franchise. I not ready to say this is not the GM for the Chiefs. He stepped up and realized that scruffy Todd was not the answer. Fired him before the end of the season. Now he must find the Coach to build on the talent drafted and players we have. I give Scott two more years before I start really meaning time is up, you have had your chance.

AkChief49
01-06-2012, 03:44 PM
A -D, maybe a little low, A C- might be better. But a Gm must be graded differently. At the close of his career with the Chiefs, we all grew to dislike Carl Peterson. But look back and see what happened. Yes we did not get a SB, but we did rule the AFC West! It takes time for a GM to make a mark on the Franchise. I not ready to say this is not the GM for the Chiefs. He stepped up and realized that scruffy Todd was not the answer. Fired him before the end of the season. Now he must find the Coach to build on the talent drafted and players we have. I give Scott two more years before I start really meaning time is up, you have had your chance.
It didn't hurt that Derrick Thomas fell in Petersons lap either.

okikcfan
01-06-2012, 05:38 PM
I disagree, at least he has admitted his mistakes and will maybe do better moving forward. C-

Eydugstr
01-06-2012, 08:19 PM
I'd give Pioli a C+. His drafting has gotten better since the first year he was here. My question mark with Pioli is not with the draft, but with the free agency & coaching moves.

Pioli's reluctance to go outside of New England isn't unusual compared to how other GM's have operated in the past, but I think if he gets past that, and gets to the point where he can identify the types of players/coaches that can help the Chiefs no matter what the background, we'll be competitive every year.

70 chiefsfan70
01-07-2012, 12:48 AM
Didn't want to talk about every pick just the ones that I have seen some complain about like Mccluster and Arenas and Justin Houston because he is a very underrated pick. Lewis has come along and has been anther good pick. A few others that I didn't mention that have worked out pretty good so far for the most part. Berry, Moaki, Succop all 3 of them have been of some help to this team. Our drafts have been pretty solid since Pioli got to KC.

I give him a B+.

We should keep in mind Pioli did some nifty trading and we got an extra 3rd rounder that landed Justin Houston. I'm impressed with Justin, He is not a DJ yet but someday I expect him to match or excede DJ'S numbers.

Canada
01-07-2012, 09:44 AM
We can all talk about Tyson Jackson. I think the value we got for a top 5 pick from him has been on the low end of what to expect but there have been more picks then this one.



People are still hating on Tyson Jackson??

He is ranked as the sixth best 3-4 DE run defender in the NFL. He recorded 40 stops. He missed only three tackles. He was third in the NFL in stops with 40. I dont know what else you guys want out of him.

nigeriannightmare
01-07-2012, 11:06 AM
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People are still hating on Tyson Jackson??

He is ranked as the sixth best 3-4 DE run defender in the NFL. He recorded 40 stops. He missed only three tackles. He was third in the NFL in stops with 40. I dont know what else you guys want out of him.

For the back of his jersey to read orakpo or raji. They could care less hes doing his job well as 3-4 de.

Canada
01-07-2012, 11:14 AM
Sw

For the back of his jersey to read orakpo or raji. They could care less hes doing his job well as 3-4 de.Funny too... I have seen Orakpo more on the Geico commercial than I have during a football game and Raji seems to be anchoring one of the worst defenses in the league. Personally, I dont mind being "stuck" with TJ!!

nigeriannightmare
01-07-2012, 02:21 PM
Because pioli took the third choice in the draft over all pro's bj raji and brian orakpo.

Please define "stop" because our run defense is 24th in the league. He is 8th or ninth on the team in tackles. If you define "stop" as the rb running straight into TJ then yes, I guess that is a stop

In ur world is the sky red too.

Canada
01-07-2012, 02:31 PM
Because pioli took the third choice in the draft over all pro's bj raji and brian orakpo.

Please define "stop" because our run defense is 24th in the league. He is 8th or ninth on the team in tackles. If you define "stop" as the rb running straight into TJ then yes, I guess that is a stopYeah...like I said Raji is anchoring one of the worst defenses in the league and Orakpo is doing Geico commercials.


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matthewschiefs
01-07-2012, 02:31 PM
People are still hating on Tyson Jackson??

He is ranked as the sixth best 3-4 DE run defender in the NFL. He recorded 40 stops. He missed only three tackles. He was third in the NFL in stops with 40. I dont know what else you guys want out of him.

I wasn't hating on Tyson I would agree he had a pretty good year. But overall I do think that his value has been a tad low for a top 5 overall pick. But if he keeps doing what he did this season that will change.

The one thing I would like to see him work to improve is the pass rush. I know that his position doesn't really get alot of sacks and stuff but that doesn't mean that he can't work to improve. If his pass rush can improve then I think that some of the hate on Jackson will die down a tad.

Canada
01-07-2012, 02:35 PM
I wasn't hating on Tyson I would agree he had a pretty good year. But overall I do think that his value has been a tad low for a top 5 overall pick. But if he keeps doing what he did this season that will change.

The one thing I would like to see him work to improve is the pass rush. I know that his position doesn't really get alot of sacks and stuff but that doesn't mean that he can't work to improve. If his pass rush can improve then I think that some of the hate on Jackson will die down a tad.Do you remember how bad our run defense was. I believe in drafting for need. I think most people jumped outta their skin about him because of what he got paid. If we got a run stopping DE now, under the new CBA where they arent making assinine amounts of $$ then it would be a good pick. And if money is the only issue, who cares...we are way under the cap and it not my cash.

nigeriannightmare
01-07-2012, 02:55 PM
Do you remember how bad our run defense was. I believe in drafting for need. I think most people jumped outta their skin about him because of what he got paid. If we got a run stopping DE now, under the new CBA where they arent making assinine amounts of $$ then it would be a good pick. And if money is the only issue, who cares...we are way under the cap and it not my cash.

but then it will be said we have the 24th ranked defense but wont take into account how many more times run plays were ran against our defense. When we have to defend 45 run plays vs 20 or 25 u bet ur *** we are at the bottom. Look at ypa. Yards per attempt and see where we rank thats the stat u want.

drstandley31
01-07-2012, 03:58 PM
I think a C at best. For me, (and he admitted it), once you got past a few starters, there was zero depth. The fact that a tyler plako was your backup tells me everything I need to know. He went cheap, it cost dearly. Got a Center who's probably in his 50's. No depth at RB. He better fix those issues!

matthewschiefs
01-07-2012, 04:51 PM
I think a C at best. For me, (and he admitted it), once you got past a few starters, there was zero depth. The fact that a tyler plako was your backup tells me everything I need to know. He went cheap, it cost dearly. Got a Center who's probably in his 50's. No depth at RB. He better fix those issues!

I have to disagree with the no depth at RB. Jackie Battle, Mccluster both had pretty good season for a back up rb.
Battle got 4.0 yards per carry Mccluster ended with 4.5 yards per carry. Pretty good for back up guys. Give Charles back with those to the running game will be strong.

matthewschiefs
01-07-2012, 05:02 PM
Do you remember how bad our run defense was. I believe in drafting for need. I think most people jumped outta their skin about him because of what he got paid. If we got a run stopping DE now, under the new CBA where they arent making assinine amounts of $$ then it would be a good pick. And if money is the only issue, who cares...we are way under the cap and it not my cash.

Our run d looked pretty bad at times this year as well. And Tyson was a part of that. He still like any young player has to work on being more constant. He's still a growing player. Like I said IMO he has not lived up to a top 5 pick. But if he can have more years like this one then he will. I have never been one to say that he's a bust. I have never been one to say he's horrible. But I also don't think hes been great. I hope to see great out of him. And if the improvement in him continues then I think we will at some point see great.

nigeriannightmare
01-07-2012, 06:41 PM
Yeah I know who would want a franchise NT or pass rusher?

Why do u assume every first rnd pick us gonna be a franchise player. How many teams passed on jared allan, tom brady....bj raji.is not very good, pretty bad this yr and orakpo aint jared allan nor will he ever be. Who would u rather have given both play in a 4-3 and we run a 3-4.

matthewschiefs
01-07-2012, 06:46 PM
Yeah I know who would want a franchise NT or pass rusher?


Ummm Hali?

And don't sleep on Justin Houston. The guy was just a rookie this year and he was getting some good pressure on the qb late in the year. Allen Bailey anther rookie who was getting pressure on the Qbs as a rookie late in the season. We have some good pass rushers Hali is a VERY good to great pass rusher. Not every player on defense is going to be a great pass rusher we have some good ones. I would like to see more. But we have some solid pass rushers.

matthewschiefs
01-07-2012, 08:11 PM
Did Pioli draft hali? Did Pioli draft all pro orakpo?


Do you want Hali and jackson on opposite sides of eachother or hali orakpo.

Now hali and orakpo, that is a scary combination


If you look at the numbers Tyson Jackson was not that far off Orakpo this year. 59 tackles to 55. What makes you think Orkapo is that big a leap of a better player then Tyson.

And I will take Hail And jackson with Justin houston Dj Berry anyday. Get over Orakpo he's not a chief and we wouldn't be all that much better with him. In fact I don't think that you can say we would be any better for sure. Orakpo has done thing better then Jackson in some areas like sacks yes but I am sure there are things Jackson is doing better then Orakpo. They don't keep stats for everything.

drstandley31
01-07-2012, 09:46 PM
I have to disagree with the no depth at RB. Jackie Battle, Mccluster both had pretty good season for a back up rb.
Battle got 4.0 yards per carry Mccluster ended with 4.5 yards per carry. Pretty good for back up guys. Give Charles back with those to the running game will be strong.
McClusteter shouldn't be your backup RB. There are two many ways to get him the ball in space, and tailback isn't the best method. And Battle is never going to carry a team. Jones needs to retire. But if we had depth at QB and OL, I would say that the RB situation going into the season was reasonable. But that's not the case.

matthewschiefs
01-07-2012, 10:00 PM
McClusteter shouldn't be your backup RB. There are two many ways to get him the ball in space, and tailback isn't the best method. And Battle is never going to carry a team. Jones needs to retire. But if we had depth at QB and OL, I would say that the RB situation going into the season was reasonable. But that's not the case.

Mccluster averaged 4.5 yards per carry this year. I think that's pretty darn good. Battle might not be able to Carry a team week in and week out but that's not what you ask you back up to do. For the spot they were put in Mccluster and Battle showed they are pretty good depth this season. You can't plan on loseing your starting RB in week 2 of the season. RB is not a spot where we need to focus on. We need to focus on O line and if we have the right QB FAR more then we need to look at RB. Charles coming back will be a huge help to the run game.

drstandley31
01-08-2012, 12:01 AM
Mccluster averaged 4.5 yards per carry this year. I think that's pretty darn good. Battle might not be able to Carry a team week in and week out but that's not what you ask you back up to do. For the spot they were put in Mccluster and Battle showed they are pretty good depth this season. You can't plan on loseing your starting RB in week 2 of the season. RB is not a spot where we need to focus on. We need to focus on O line and if we have the right QB FAR more then we need to look at RB. Charles coming back will be a huge help to the run game.
And I'm thrilled we have him. I'll give you the point, 4.5 is pretty darn good. 114 carries for 516 yards. Good for RB by committee. With Charles back, DM should be used a lot different than a backup RB, buy you're right, you can't predict your starter will be hurt in week 2. Still don't have a lot of confidence in Battle and Jones is finished.

Jrudi
01-08-2012, 01:20 AM
I thin I can give Pioli the Benefit of the doubt with his first draft... Pioli was hired mid January 2009, and he Hired Haley the 2nd week of February 2009, They then began to fill the coaching staff, and the beginning of march now brought Free Agency.

So within 3 months he had to come into a completely new organization and asses it from top to bottom, side to side (yes the GM's manage more than just the football operations, I work for the Official Printer of the Chiefs, and he even has to sign off on certain marketing materials before they are produced) He then has to set the tone for how he is going to run this operation, get a feel for who he can trust within the organization to help him out while he build relationships within the new organization, conduct a head coaching search, hire that coach, fill that coaches staff, asses the entire roster top to bottom to determine a plan of action and what positions are in need of help, target free agents, bring them in for visits, sign free agents, and oh wait.... There's a draft in April?? He just got here.

Fact of the matter is, Pioli took Jackson for 1 big reason.. HIS CHARACTER! (Pioli was actually attempting to trade back into the teens and planned on taking Tyson there, but the deal fell through)Pioli knew and has stated that he trusted the type of person Tyson was, and wanted to be sure to select someone that could handle the large contract they were about to receive. The last thing Pioli would have wanted to happen, was to take a guy with character issues, and the money go to the guys head, it would have set him back even further. From Day 1, Pioli said he was building this team with players that possess high character, and a passion for the game, and that's what TJ is. He also said the day after he picked Tyson that "He is the type of player that will allow us to build a defense the way we want to, he may not ever become a stat machine, but he is the type of player that will allow us to implement a system that will allow the players around him to be able to easily do what they are supposed to do, and hopefully be more successful because of him." (hmmm...coincidence that DJ had a career year?)

Just saying the 2009 draft class AS A WHOLE produced little talent, and I'm glad to have one of the players that are producing for their teams. TJ is better than he gets credit for.

As for the Grade I give him a B...

Free Agents/Trades: Jones, Lilja, Vrabel, Breaston, Cassel (all played significant roles on this team)

Not to mention Blecher in 2009 as an Undrafted FA now starting 2 full seasons for us at ILB, and notching 100+ tckl season this year.

2010 Draft: Berry, McCluster, Arenas, Asamoah, Moeaki, Lewis... Are you kidding me 6 significant contributors out of 1 draft! the only one not contributing is Cammeron Scheffield, who unfortunatly was injured in the pre-season last year and placed on IR, we have since draft Justin Houston who seems to be working out.

2011 Draft:
1. Baldwin (Shown lots of Flashes, Injured first couple of weeks,needs consistent QB, but will help this team)
2. Hudson, (started games this year, will take over for Wieggman Next)
3a. Houston (1st round talent, for 1/3 the price, he is our answer oposite Hali)
3b. Bailey (Dude came on the 2nd half of the season, and is our answer to our Pass rush at the DE position)
4. Jalil Brown (Not alot to go off of, but has shown promis on special teams and in sub pkgs)
5. Stanzi (Jury is out, but did show promise in pre-season)

So in 2 drafts we have 9 SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTORS to this team (and about 3-4 that could become). I'm sure any NFL owner would be happy with that.

I'm happy with what Pioli is doing, and I think he is really close to making that splash that the Patriots used to do, that puts them over the top to compete for a championship

matthewschiefs
01-08-2012, 01:37 AM
And I'm thrilled we have him. I'll give you the point, 4.5 is pretty darn good. 114 carries for 516 yards. Good for RB by committee. With Charles back, DM should be used a lot different than a backup RB, buy you're right, you can't predict your starter will be hurt in week 2. Still don't have a lot of confidence in Battle and Jones is finished.

What is it you want to see out of Battle? I thought he did pretty well. He was a 4 ypc guy as a backup I don't think that's bad at all. Battle will never be a Number 1 rb IMO but I do think that he is a pretty solid number 2 throw in a few carries for Mccluster I think Our Running game is one of the best there is.

matthewschiefs
01-08-2012, 01:41 AM
I thin I can give Pioli the Benefit of the doubt with his first draft... Pioli was hired mid January 2009, and he Hired Haley the 2nd week of February 2009, They then began to fill the coaching staff, and the beginning of march now brought Free Agency.

So within 3 months he had to come into a completely new organization and asses it from top to bottom, side to side (yes the GM's manage more than just the football operations, I work for the Official Printer of the Chiefs, and he even has to sign off on certain marketing materials before they are produced) He then has to set the tone for how he is going to run this operation, get a feel for who he can trust within the organization to help him out while he build relationships within the new organization, conduct a head coaching search, hire that coach, fill that coaches staff, asses the entire roster top to bottom to determine a plan of action and what positions are in need of help, target free agents, bring them in for visits, sign free agents, and oh wait.... There's a draft in April?? He just got here.

Fact of the matter is, Pioli took Jackson for 1 big reason.. HIS CHARACTER! (Pioli was actually attempting to trade back into the teens and planned on taking Tyson there, but the deal fell through)Pioli knew and has stated that he trusted the type of person Tyson was, and wanted to be sure to select someone that could handle the large contract they were about to receive. The last thing Pioli would have wanted to happen, was to take a guy with character issues, and the money go to the guys head, it would have set him back even further. From Day 1, Pioli said he was building this team with players that possess high character, and a passion for the game, and that's what TJ is. He also said the day after he picked Tyson that "He is the type of player that will allow us to build a defense the way we want to, he may not ever become a stat machine, but he is the type of player that will allow us to implement a system that will allow the players around him to be able to easily do what they are supposed to do, and hopefully be more successful because of him." (hmmm...coincidence that DJ had a career year?)

Just saying the 2009 draft class AS A WHOLE produced little talent, and I'm glad to have one of the players that are producing for their teams. TJ is better than he gets credit for.

As for the Grade I give him a B...

Free Agents/Trades: Jones, Lilja, Vrabel, Breaston, Cassel (all played significant roles on this team)

Not to mention Blecher in 2009 as an Undrafted FA now starting 2 full seasons for us at ILB, and notching 100+ tckl season this year.

2010 Draft: Berry, McCluster, Arenas, Asamoah, Moeaki, Lewis... Are you kidding me 6 significant contributors out of 1 draft! the only one not contributing is Cammeron Scheffield, who unfortunatly was injured in the pre-season last year and placed on IR, we have since draft Justin Houston who seems to be working out.

2011 Draft:
1. Baldwin (Shown lots of Flashes, Injured first couple of weeks,needs consistent QB, but will help this team)
2. Hudson, (started games this year, will take over for Wieggman Next)
3a. Houston (1st round talent, for 1/3 the price, he is our answer oposite Hali)
3b. Bailey (Dude came on the 2nd half of the season, and is our answer to our Pass rush at the DE position)
4. Jalil Brown (Not alot to go off of, but has shown promis on special teams and in sub pkgs)
5. Stanzi (Jury is out, but did show promise in pre-season)

So in 2 drafts we have 9 SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTORS to this team (and about 3-4 that could become). I'm sure any NFL owner would be happy with that.

I'm happy with what Pioli is doing, and I think he is really close to making that splash that the Patriots used to do, that puts them over the top to compete for a championship


Great post.

09 I have always put more on the people that Haley and Pioli replaced. Then them. Even with that said 09 was not a bad job by any means. Yes they didn't go out and get the big name guys but look at it this way. When your building a house you don't put in the big screen tv first. You put in the plumbing and eltric work first. You don't go after the luxury items you go over what you need. That's what was done in 09. It wasn't being cheap it was understanding that we needed to do the dirty work first. It's now time to go after that big screen tv and get the luxury items after we get the O line upgrades that we need.

batfishon
01-08-2012, 01:59 AM
I think Pioli has done a good Job. but we need to get rid of Cassel, And keep Orton. He is twice the QB that Cassel will ever be. If Pioli Keeps Cassel, Im not sure if I'll keep my season ticket.

Jrudi
01-08-2012, 04:59 PM
Great post.

09 I have always put more on the people that Haley and Pioli replaced. Then them. Even with that said 09 was not a bad job by any means. Yes they didn't go out and get the big name guys but look at it this way. When your building a house you don't put in the big screen tv first. You put in the plumbing and eltric work first. You don't go after the luxury items you go over what you need. That's what was done in 09. It wasn't being cheap it was understanding that we needed to do the dirty work first. It's now time to go after that big screen tv and get the luxury items after we get the O line upgrades that we need.

Thanks,
I mean just think about this, in those two drafts we have came our with at least every pick in the 1st 2nd and 3rd rounds being starters or big contributors. (not to mention a few more out of the 4th-5th rounds)

This off season we have the fewest amount of holes to fill since he has been here. (probably need an immediate upgrade along the o-line, either LG or RT, a immediate need at NT, if he doesn't plan on Powe taking over, and depth at safety, RB, ILB, QB and TE)

The odds are looking pretty good that we can find 3 players in the first three rounds to fill the holes needed. I think he is doing a really good job, with the "right coach" to go along with his "right 53" I think we are really close to making some noise around the NFL.

drstandley31
01-08-2012, 05:06 PM
What is it you want to see out of Battle? I thought he did pretty well. He was a 4 ypc guy as a backup I don't think that's bad at all. Battle will never be a Number 1 rb IMO but I do think that he is a pretty solid number 2 throw in a few carries for Mccluster I think Our Running game is one of the best there is.
I think my problem with the running game this year, was the lack of ability to get the first down. Couldn't sustain drives. Although, I will blame a lot of that on the OC. Call the same play 5 times in a row and chances are it's not going to work. For a guy as big as Battle, I expect him to be able to grind out 2 or 3 years to pick up the first down, and often he couldn't. But it's over. Charles back next year, get a replacement for Jones, and work on the real problems.

Canada
01-08-2012, 05:30 PM
Yeah I know who would want a franchise NT or pass rusher?Yeah, Hali and Houston are crap!!

AkChief49
01-08-2012, 05:32 PM
I think my problem with the running game this year, was the lack of ability to get the first down. Couldn't sustain drives. Although, I will blame a lot of that on the OC. Call the same play 5 times in a row and chances are it's not going to work. For a guy as big as Battle, I expect him to be able to grind out 2 or 3 years to pick up the first down, and often he couldn't. But it's over. Charles back next year, get a replacement for Jones, and work on the real problems.


Charles should be back, but will he be at full strength?
Like you said:"Call the same play 5 times in a row and chances are it's not going to work."
I think this was part of the problem for Battle. That, and Jones kept getting carries. Upgrade the O-line:beat_DeadHorse:. Battle's avg. per rush was 4 yds./carry. Not too bad, not great but respectable. Jone's avg. was 3 yds./carry, and they were fairly even in the number of carries. Battle had 149 and Jones had 153. I agree and think we should consider another running back in the draft (not first round).

matthewschiefs
01-08-2012, 06:13 PM
I think my problem with the running game this year, was the lack of ability to get the first down. Couldn't sustain drives. Although, I will blame a lot of that on the OC. Call the same play 5 times in a row and chances are it's not going to work. For a guy as big as Battle, I expect him to be able to grind out 2 or 3 years to pick up the first down, and often he couldn't. But it's over. Charles back next year, get a replacement for Jones, and work on the real problems.

Think you are spot on with that. Our rbs sucked running up the middle just couldn't do it. Yet that play was called over and over again. The runnings seemed to be much better running when they got the ball in space. Even Jones was ok at that. But I would agree that Jones has very little left if anything at all. I think Getting rb would be wise this offseason you can never have to much depth.

matthewschiefs
01-08-2012, 06:16 PM
Yeah, Hali and Houston are crap!!

I no Hali only had 12 sacks and Houston as a rookie only had 5.5 and was a whole 3 tackles short of the great Brian Orakpo we better cut them this offseason or i will be pissed. What I haven't been drinking. Why are you looking at me like that. :drunkhb: