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Jrudi
01-09-2012, 02:19 PM
And now we move on to the ILB’s
With DJ coming on for a career season (179 tclks), and his first Pro Bowl birth as a pro, We’ve got it set on the strong side of ILB. But when you look at our Defense as a whole and try to point out specific positions in need of an upgrade there aren’t many to point out. Yeah we need some depth at Safety, but Lewis and Berry have those positions locked for the time being, and people claim we need to upgrade our DE’s, but Ryfo has already posted a thread with stats that show Dorsey & Jackson as the #1 and #2 3-4 DE’s in the league, and recent comments from Romeo sound like he is pretty happy with their play.
Although I like Belcher and his road to becoming a starter, and we haven’t seen Brandon Siler (although I can’t imagine he would be that much of a beast not to address the position) I’m looking at ILB and NT (which I will address in another post) as our Defensive positions that could use immediate upgrades at the starting spot.
I think to myself… If we could land an impact ILB to pair with DJ, we could arguably have one of the best LB corps in the NFL (Hali, DJ, Impact Addition, & Houston) 3-4 Defenses are based on the Talent at the LB position… We can’t have enough talented LB’s on this team which is another reason why I consider this a position of need.

Free Agency:
Curtis Lofton (ATL)-
At only 25 years old, Lofton is one of the Premier ILB’s in the league averaging 123 tot tckls in 4 seasons (147 this year). An Oklahoma Native may give him reasons to head back to the Mid-West (we can hope haha). Even though DJ had his best season as a pro he is 29 years old, and will eventually begin to diminish with 2-3 years. It will take some money to Bring in Lofton, but the idea of pairing this machine with DJ for 2-4 year is enticing. Not to mention the ability to have him take over for DJ for a few more seasons after he is gone. I don’t have many connections to mention that may cause him to land here except for Emmit Thomas’s time in Atlanta during Lofton’s early years, as the Assistant HC/DB’s Coach, and eventually the Interim HC before coming to KC.

D’Qwell Jackson (CLE)-
A former 2nd round draft choice of Crennel while the HC in Cleveland, you have to think that he is ready to play for a contender, and the Chiefs are much closer than the Browns at this point in time. After missing the 2010 season being placed on IR new Browns coach Pat Shurmer chose to re-sign the free agent last off-season for 1 more year, he replied by posting monster numbers (158 tot tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 FF, 1 INT) and you would have to think Shurmer would want him back (making it hard to have him land elsewhere). This is the same sort of idea as with Lofton… Pairing Jackson with DJ would be crazy, the only difference is at only 1 year younger than Johnson, you can’t count on him as a successor, and may be put in a situation to look for 2 LB’s around the same point in time. This of course is highly dependant on if Crennel will remain with the Chiefs as either the HC or DC.

EJ Henderson (MIN)-
At 31 years of age, It’s safe to say that Henderson is more than likely past his prime, but not far past, has posted 110 tot tackles and 3 FF this season and has quietly averaged 99 tot tackles in 7 full seasons with the Vikings (2 seasons not accounted for. IR and Rookie). It would be a more cap friendly route for the Chiefs to sign Henderson (Rather than Lofton or Jackson), and could expect to gain another 1-2 productive seasons from the Viking. If the Chiefs opt to sign a mid-level free agent like Henderson I think you expect us to target a developmental player in the middle rounds, and continue to rotate Belcher. The connection that could bring Henderson here as well is Emmit Thomas, who was the Defensive Coordinator in Minnesota that drafted Henderson in the 2nd round of the 2003 Draft. (Have we ever thought if Romeo becomes the HC, Emmit Thomas becoming the DC??? Never know)

Draft:
If the Chiefs choose not to target an Impact FA at ILB, I think we could say it would be a possibility to see them target one high in the draft. Of Course if they do, they may also target one in the draft, it might just be a little later…
Setting at either Pick 11 or 12, the ILB’s rated in this years class may be a stretch to take here, so If we land one, I think it may be a result of trading back.

Rounds 1-2:

Luke Kuechly (“Keek-ly”) (Jr.) Boston College (6’2” 237lbs 4.80 40 time)-(Has not Yet Declared)
One of the top ILB’s in the contry is projected to be more of a 4-3 MLB, but figured I would list him as well, since his talent level is so high. Leading the nation in tackles each of the past two seasons, was named this year as the winner of the Butkus Award (top LB in the nation) and the Lombardi award (top Lineman/LB). Recorded a School and ACC record 532 tackles in 3 seasons with Boston College, and is projected as more of a 4-3 MLB due to his high football intelligence. Exceptional on-field and off field work ethic has become the vocal leader on the field. Would be a great successor to DJ, and could take over a leadership role after our core group is gone.

Donta’ Hightower (rJr.) Alabama (6’4” 260lbs 4.67 40 time)-
Started 12 of 14 Games for the Crimson Tide as a True Freshman in 2008, had his 2009 season cut short after her tore his ACL (Only 4 Starts). Is a versitle player that has been said has the ability to play both inside and outside in a 3-4 system, and Pioli likes versatility (especially with the injuries we had this season) Led the team in 2010 with 69 Tackles, and this season as well with 79 3 sacks and 1 INT, Which is tough to do with a defense that has as much talent as Alabama does. Already used to a 3-4 system with Nick Saban coaching him he should have no problems making an instant impact.
From Mocking the Draft.com: “He’s a classic downhill power middle linbacker that can be a force against the run….play’s with a lot of strength and can hold his area or push the pocket. He’s also shown he can get into the backfield to get after the QB. His versatility has been shown after being used as the team’s Jack Linebacker to utilize his ability off the edge”

Vontaze Burfict (Jr.) Arizona State (6’3” 250lbs 4.67 40 time)-
An intense ILB prospect that plays with a tenacity that will set the tone and identity of a defense. Has drawn comparisons to longtime Batlimore Ravens ILB Raw Lewis, who spoke to Burfct about being disciplined while playing with an edge. Appeared in all 12 games of his true freshman season, while starting 9, finished second on the team with 69 tackles, two sacks, 7 tackles for loss, two forced fumbles, and 5 pass breakups. Followed his outstanding freshman season in 2010 leading the team with 90 tackles, 8.5 tackle for loss, 2 FF, and 3 pass breakups landing him as the sporting news pac-10 defensive mvp. 2011 was more of a downer only notching 68 tackles and no season honors.
And now for the bad news….While playing with an attitude that would be coveted by defenses looking for a player to set the tone, tends to let his emotions get the best of him and has been known to draw many personal foul penalties for un-disciplined actions such as late hits, and talking to officials disrespectfully. Was removed from the starting lineup for 1 game in 2010 for head-butting Oregon State QB Ryan Katz, as well as drawing 2 personal fouls in the 2011 regular-season finale against call which caused him to be benched for the final 24 minutes of the game, and held out of the teams bowl game loss to Boise State. On top of the character concerns, CBS Sports.com quotes: “He’s not as instinctive as his reputation might lead you to believe, has a soft build, and hasn’t shown any real improvement since first stepping onto the ASU campus.”

While Burfict would be a great addition to the Chiefs D. I think Pioli will need to do his homework, to ensure Burfict doesn’t wind up on the sideline in critical games for the chiefs, and well as if he has reached his potential. If he can continue to improve and mature, I think he may be a beneficial addition to this Defense in the 2nd or 3rd round (which has been reported to be possible with the concerns surrounding him), but not the 1st.


Rounds 4-5:


James-Micheal Johnson (r.Sr.) Nevada (6’1” 240lbs 4.68 40 time)-
Johnson and Johnson anyone An experienced and intelligent 5th year player, gained 4 years of starting experience after redshirting his freshman year in 2007 (10 starts in 08”). Was elected as team captain his Junior season, and became the vocal leader of the team both on and off the field. He possesses a love for the game with strong work ethic, does his homework in the film room, and puts in the extra time in the weight room. Has no known character concerns. Is a versatile player that has played both inside and outside linebacker. Is decent in all area’s of the game, but with experience could become a quality starter. Johnson would be targeted in a later round, as a developmental prospect and rotate with Belcher.

Emanuel Acho Texas (Sr.) Texas (6’2” 245lbs 4.79 40 time)
The younger brother of Arizona Cardinals 4th round selection last season Sam Acho, Has gotten his chance to show his talents for the Longhorns this season. The main draw for Acho is his bloodline, and family history that shows his strong character, leadership, and work ethic that he and his brother both posses. The one drawback is that he is projected more as a 4-3 MLB, but doesn’t rule out 3-4 teams to target as well. He has gained multiple First-Team Academic All Big-12 honors, and has gained playing time in every season as a long horn. Also a developmental player, the youth and leadership that Acho could provide would be beneficial after DJ has moved on.


Rounds 5-6


Jerry Franklink Arkansas (rSr.) Arkansas (6’1” 245lbs 4.60 40time)
Has led the team in tackles and started all but one game at MLB for the Razorbacks since his Redshirt Freshman season (leading tackler 4years in a row!). has received multiple SEC honors throughout his career, and has the fastest 40 time of any of the prospects listed on this post. Has been scouted to have above-average inticnts in all areas of the game, as well as possessing a natural feel for the game. Has been a standout in the tough SEC, and Is projected as an ILB in a 3-4 Defense. Could not find if he was a captain or not, but has no character issues that I could find.

Alright lets get some thoughts???

nicfre2011
01-09-2012, 02:55 PM
I like your topic here. Good information. I would say that with Brandon Siler being re-signed to a one year deal, Pioli could very well go with what we have right now. I don't see the Chiefs going after someone like Curtis Lofton IF he hits the market (which I highly doubt).

That being said, I like Dont'a Hightower and Emmanuel Acho as 3-4 ILB prospects. The idea of Kuechly is intriguing opposite Johnson. As you mentioned, I would definitely look to trade down first before selecting any of the top ILBs, there just isn't value in selecting the position with where we are currently sitting.

toyotapower
01-09-2012, 02:57 PM
Its impossible to have too much depth at LB. We should definitly target a free agent, re-sign our own free agents and draft one as well. The more depth the better

Jrudi
01-09-2012, 05:51 PM
I like your topic here. Good information. I would say that with Brandon Siler being re-signed to a one year deal, Pioli could very well go with what we have right now. I don't see the Chiefs going after someone like Curtis Lofton IF he hits the market (which I highly doubt).

That being said, I like Dont'a Hightower and Emmanuel Acho as 3-4 ILB prospects. The idea of Kuechly is intriguing opposite Johnson. As you mentioned, I would definitely look to trade down first before selecting any of the top ILBs, there just isn't value in selecting the position with where we are currently sitting.

Yeah what I have seen Kuechly, Hightower, and Burfict have all been mixed as the top 1-2-3 ILBs and all are rated in the back half of the 1st round, or 1st half of the 2nd.

I actually saw a mock where Hightower fell to us in round 2 which I wouldn't complain about.

I'm not thinking ILB is as big of a need to take one in round one, or pick up a Big FA acquisition, but I'm also not ruling out the idea that we could land one because we run a 3-4 system and LB's are the heart and sole of that scheme.

To be honest my favorites on this list would be FA: Jackson (because of Crennel), or Lofton (But Lofton will probably be re-signed by the Falcons)

or in the Draft: Hightower (in round 2 if he falls not round 1), Acho in round 4-5, or Franklin in round 5-6.

I'm liking how I'm going position by position and listing possibilities instead of a full out mock, what's everyone Else's thoughts?

figcrostic
01-09-2012, 08:00 PM
RT? Yes
NT? Yes
LB? Hell no!

Jrudi
01-09-2012, 08:52 PM
RT? Yes
NT? Yes
LB? Hell no!

This isn't a mock draft...

This is simply looking at our roster, identifying possible area's that could use a look at this offseason.

I'm not insiuating that I think they will take and ILB in the 1st round. I actually don't think they will, and I stated that already, the only way I think they do is if they trade back and one of the ILB prospects are the best player on the board (regardless of position)

I did this rather than a mock draft because the off season is so fluid. I started with OG, I now moved on to LB, I think I am going to OT next, and will also try to cover QB, NT, RB, Safety, and TE (all positions that I considered areas that need starting help, or depth.

I'm researching FA options, and likely prospects out of each round that I could see as a Chief based on certain characteristics such as leadership, work ethic, high character, Starting Experience, etc.

Three7s
01-09-2012, 08:56 PM
While I understand the need for depth, the last thing we need is a LB. We need QB/OL/TE/NT/S.

Jrudi
01-10-2012, 09:30 AM
While I understand the need for depth, the last thing we need is a LB. We need QB/OL/TE/NT/S.

I'm not saying this is a HUGE need, but I am saying that if you really look at it...

Our Depth at ILB:

Demorio Williams is 31 years old, and only notched 18 tackles this season (probably on special teams)

Corey Greenwood while only 26 totaled 13 tackles this season (probably on special teams as well)

It's no wonder DJ and Belcher landed career highs in tackles, the never left the field.

If either of those two were to get hurt this season, we would have been screwed.

So no, as far as starters go, we more than likely don't need to address the position, but if you look at a depth stand point and the fact that DJ is 29, we need to get some youth in there to continue to keep our LB corps strong (which needs to be your strongest position in a 3-4 defense)

nigeriannightmare
01-10-2012, 08:05 PM
I wouldnt mind drafting a qb to build for the future, but fact is we hired a 63 or 64 year old coach and we have some talent on our roster. Assuming we keep kyle orton and start him I can live with that, we can win with orton. Our needs are as followed,

NT

LT

Big RB

QB is not a position of need. For all we know Stanzi may be Tom Brady i really dont understand why everyone is so quick to dismis hin. U know Tom Brady got drafted in the fifth round right.

However i do agree with ur other options for the draft.

AkChief49
01-10-2012, 08:26 PM
QB is not a position of need. For all we know Stanzi may be Tom Brady i really dont understand why everyone is so quick to dismis hin. U know Tom Brady got drafted in the fifth round right.

However i do agree with ur other options for the draft.
Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round.
Stanzi was drafted in the 5th.

nigeriannightmare
01-10-2012, 08:29 PM
Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round.
Stanzi was drafted in the 5th.

I stand corrected.

Jrudi
01-12-2012, 10:02 AM
QB is not a position of need. For all we know Stanzi may be Tom Brady i really dont understand why everyone is so quick to dismis hin. U know Tom Brady got drafted in the fifth round right.

However i do agree with ur other options for the draft.

QB IS a position of need because currently we have only 2 under contract.....Cassel and Stanzi, as Crennel pointed out in his opening press conference.

Crennel also defended Cassel when the media was attacking the QB position and the possibility of getting rid of Matt. Crennel stated that "Matt didn't fall off the wagon overnight, He is a talented QB that took this team to the playoffs last year, and I (Crennel) have all the confidence that he has the ability to do it again..."

Crennel also pushed aside the idea of Orton being on the team next year, stating that Kyle has to want to come here being a FA, yes he is a restricted FA which brings it a little more likely that he comes back, BUT he is not under contract. He thanked him for what he did for the team this year, and said that he probably isn't the head coach right now if it weren't for Orton. But was not endorsing the idea that he would be here next year.

So with only two QB's on the team at this current point in time it looks like Cassel is our starter at this point, and brings up the need to address the QB position in the off season, because I doubt we will only take 2 into camp.

Jrudi
01-12-2012, 10:26 AM
I will comment on another part of your quote...

Comparing Stanzi to Tom Brady, I will need to find it again but I posted an article on a thread that was titled "Stanzi, the Next Tom Brady?"

I stated that most people would have assumed (as I did) that the article was written because Pioli drafted him in a late round like Brady...

But the article was actually written before the draft ever took place. It was comparing the type of person Stanzi is, and his similarities to Brady, and that his draft stock had fallen l (like Brady's) because of sub-par performances at the Combine and Sr. Bowl, although he was an extremely talented leader throughout his college career (like brady)

crazy that the same guy the draft Brady took a shot on Stanzi.... Gotta think he saw the similarities as well.

nigeriannightmare
01-12-2012, 10:27 AM
QB IS a position of need because currently we have only 2 under contract.....Cassel and Stanzi, as Crennel pointed out in his opening press conference.

Crennel also defended Cassel when the media was attacking the QB position and the possibility of getting rid of Matt. Crennel stated that "Matt didn't fall off the wagon overnight, He is a talented QB that took this team to the playoffs last year, and I (Crennel) have all the confidence that he has the ability to do it again..."

Crennel also pushed aside the idea of Orton being on the team next year, stating that Kyle has to want to come here being a FA, yes he is a restricted FA which brings it a little more likely that he comes back, BUT he is not under contract. He thanked him for what he did for the team this year, and said that he probably isn't the head coach right now if it weren't for Orton. But was not endorsing the idea that he would be here next year.

So with only two QB's on the team at this current point in time it looks like Cassel is our starter at this point, and brings up the need to address the QB position in the off season, because I doubt we will only take 2 into camp.

I was hoping that we would have orton, cassel, and stanzi. Was referrring to the idea to draft up for rgiii. As great an athelete as he is and as smart as he is i dont believe its worth the picks to get up to grab him.

Jrudi
01-12-2012, 10:28 AM
I was hoping that we would have orton, cassel, and stanzi. Was referrring to the idea to draft up for rgiii. As great an athelete as he is and as smart as he is i dont believe its worth the picks to get up to grab him.

I see.... sorry I hope you didn't take that as an aggressive post..

I agree with you, I would love RG3...but I don't want to give up what will be needed to get him.

nigeriannightmare
01-12-2012, 12:04 PM
I see.... sorry I hope you didn't take that as an aggressive post..

I agree with you, I would love RG3...but I don't want to give up what will be needed to get him.

Nope wasnt taken agressive at all. U have an awful lot of knowledge an enjoy reading ur posts.

AkChief49
01-12-2012, 08:18 PM
QB IS a position of need because currently we have only 2 under contract.....Cassel and Stanzi, as Crennel pointed out in his opening press conference.

Crennel also defended Cassel when the media was attacking the QB position and the possibility of getting rid of Matt. Crennel stated that "Matt didn't fall off the wagon overnight, He is a talented QB that took this team to the playoffs last year, and I (Crennel) have all the confidence that he has the ability to do it again..."

Crennel also pushed aside the idea of Orton being on the team next year, stating that Kyle has to want to come here being a FA, yes he is a restricted FA which brings it a little more likely that he comes back, BUT he is not under contract. He thanked him for what he did for the team this year, and said that he probably isn't the head coach right now if it weren't for Orton. But was not endorsing the idea that he would be here next year.

So with only two QB's on the team at this current point in time it looks like Cassel is our starter at this point, and brings up the need to address the QB position in the off season, because I doubt we will only take 2 into camp.


Will Kyle Orton be back in 2012? "Kyle did a tremendous job for us and I'm probably not sitting here if Kyle hadn't done the job that he did. I'm very appreciative of that. I'm also appreciative of the fact that he is an unrestricted free agent and we have to go through the process.

okikcfan
01-13-2012, 10:45 AM
Will Kyle Orton be back in 2012? "Kyle did a tremendous job for us and I'm probably not sitting here if Kyle hadn't done the job that he did. I'm very appreciative of that. I'm also appreciative of the fact that he is an unrestricted free agent and we have to go through the process.

I think he did ok or good but Tremendous?

Jrudi
01-13-2012, 10:50 AM
Will Kyle Orton be back in 2012? "Kyle did a tremendous job for us and I'm probably not sitting here if Kyle hadn't done the job that he did. I'm very appreciative of that. I'm also appreciative of the fact that he is an unrestricted free agent and we have to go through the process.

My apologies, I have been reading that he is a Restricted Free Agent on multiple sites, but this is coming from Crennel so I would trust that more.

Here is the quotes from the press conference portion that was focused on our QB position.

Q: Who is going to be your quarterback?

CRENNEL: [Laughter] “No, I’m not able to do that so I’m eliminated from consideration. We have Matt [Cassel] and [Ricky] Stanzi under contract. Kyle [Orton] is an unrestricted free agent so we have to go through that process here again of evaluating our team, our team needs, and then go through the free agency process to see what happens there. See the thing about free agency is those unrestricted free agents, they have a choice. They can decide whether they want to return or whether they want to go elsewhere. And so we can have a desire to potentially get a guy back but if that guy decides he wants to go somewhere else there is nothing we can do about that. So right now we have Matt and we have Stanzi on the squad and we’ll see what happens after this free agency thing is over.”

Q: Do you want Kyle Orton (http://www.kcchiefs.com/team/roster/kyle-orton/fb70a86a-2301-4518-a011-ff49eadb6053/) back?


CRENNEL: “Kyle did a tremendous job for us and I’m probably not sitting here if Kyle hadn’t done the job that he did and I’m very appreciative of that. I’m also appreciative of that fact that he is an unrestricted free agent and we have to go through the process you know. I would be unfair to him not to say that I appreciated what he did for me. And I’m not going to say that I didn’t appreciate it but the situation is the situation and we have two quarterbacks under contract, he’s not under contract so we’ll play it out, we’ll see what happens.”




Q: Can you win with Matt Cassel (http://www.kcchiefs.com/team/roster/matt-cassel/5fbc174a-bfb6-45f9-9559-0bb09433efd4/)?


CRENNEL: “Matt Cassel has won here. I mean we’ve been to a playoff with Matt Cassel so I don’t think that Matt Cassel has fallen off of the wagon overnight. I think he’s a good talent, a good quarterback and he’s taken us to a playoff so I anticipate that he can do it again.”

Q: Do you see any realistic scenario where Kyle Orton and Matt Cassel are on the roster next season?

CRENNEL: “Well you know that still has to be determined. A lot of that will have to do with what Kyle feels because he is unrestricted. If he was under contract and we had both of them here I think it would be more of a dilemma for me than it is right now. But he’s unrestricted and he’s not under contract so we’ll have to see how the free agency thing plays out.”

Jrudi
01-13-2012, 10:50 AM
I think he did ok or good but Tremendous?

Think he is playing it up because it helped Crennel land the HC position haha

70 chiefsfan70
01-17-2012, 10:05 AM
I think ILB has become a bigger need just because of Denver. I'm sure John Fox is going to insist they draft to fit their run game in any of the following: RB, OL, and /or TE.

They are the only team from the AFC west I see giving us a challenge next year, and a very good ILB would help us defeat them twice and would get us in to the playoffs. We know that if we sign Carr, our D will shut down their pass as they did a couple weeks ago. For this reason I would support spending big and getting the best ILB through FA.

I would love to use our first several picks on offense RT,C/G, QB, TE, and RB (not nessasarily in this order) to help us win games after we reach the playoffs. JMHO

Jrudi
01-17-2012, 05:17 PM
I would agree....

People can holler all they want about it not being a need, but the reality is although Belcher has done a great job for us thus far... on the Defense it is one one of the positions that could use an upgrade. I love belcher and want to keep him on, and think he would still play a pivotal role in helping the team win.

Especially in a 3-4 Defensive front, which you can't have too many talented LB's

pojote
01-18-2012, 12:47 PM
Belcher is great backup ILB, we need another DJ to shut down the running game. If you can watch again the first game against Denver, you can realize that an upgrade at ILB is needed.

Ryfo18
03-16-2012, 04:52 PM
Burfict is quickly falling down draft boards:
Vontaze Burfict bombs his Pro Day, too | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/16/vontaze-burfict-bombs-his-pro-day-too/)

Seek
03-16-2012, 05:15 PM
This isn't a mock draft...

This is simply looking at our roster, identifying possible area's that could use a look at this offseason.

I'm not insiuating that I think they will take and ILB in the 1st round. I actually don't think they will, and I stated that already, the only way I think they do is if they trade back and one of the ILB prospects are the best player on the board (regardless of position)

I did this rather than a mock draft because the off season is so fluid. I started with OG, I now moved on to LB, I think I am going to OT next, and will also try to cover QB, NT, RB, Safety, and TE (all positions that I considered areas that need starting help, or depth.

I'm researching FA options, and likely prospects out of each round that I could see as a Chief based on certain characteristics such as leadership, work ethic, high character, Starting Experience, etc.


Belcher is a restricted FA. The Chiefs have tendered him for a 2nd round pick. To me he is a serviceale LB, but he is not worth a huge contract. The Chiefs have got to look at that position and see if they can upgrade it if not for this year but possibly next year. Also after DJ and Belcher, there is NO depth at ILB.

It is a position of need. Maybe not as high as NT or any position on the offensive line, but I would rather the Chiefs get a play maker at ILB than reach on a NT because they are drafting by need and not best available.

texaschief
03-16-2012, 06:00 PM
Burfict is quickly falling down draft boards:
Vontaze Burfict bombs his Pro Day, too | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/16/vontaze-burfict-bombs-his-pro-day-too/)

I saw this... not sure what's going on here. Nobody with intentions to go to the NFL unintentionally does this poorly. I think he and his agent are trying to manipulate his draft position... or trying to go undrafted altogether. With the new rookie cap in place, you have to wonder if you might see players tank to go undrafted so they can choose where they play... then, sign a two year deal, show what they're REALLY worth and then hit the free agent market as a prime position player who hasn't peaked yet. There may be a cap on rookies, but not 2nd or 3rd year players.

No team is going to waste a draft pick on a player that they can't get signed to a 2-4 year deal. So, tanking to go undrafted to sign a one year deal is definitely a scenario that people should start looking for. I'm not saying this is for sure what's happening, but for a guy who's let it be known that he's interested in signing for NFL money asap, he sure isn't doing what he should be doing to gain the most money via the draft... which makes you wonder if he has a different angle.

texaschief
03-16-2012, 06:03 PM
At #11 overall (assuming nobody like RGIII falls in our lap), the best value at that spot is either going to be Kuechly or DeCastro. It'll be too early for Poe. If you want him, we should trade back in by using our second to get a late first.

Kuechly would be my first choice.

texaschief
03-16-2012, 06:15 PM
Poe is the big NT name in the draft this year, but if he goes before pick 25, I'd be shocked. There is some real value to be had in the 2nd round from guys like Jean-Baptiste from Baylor who dominated his senior game and then there's Chapman from Alabama who SHOULD be a early first selection. But, Chapman had knee surgery and didn't participate at the combine which will make his stock drop.

If we got either of those two guys, I'd be happy because they represent the best value while still freeing up the #11 spot to address the OG spot or ILB.

jap1
03-16-2012, 08:58 PM
Also after DJ and Belcher, there is NO depth at ILB.

We also have Siler. But there is very little depth. I would find it hard to believe that they will not be drafting at least one or two ILBs in the top 4 rounds.

Ryfo18
03-18-2012, 01:36 AM
I think Kuechly really fits the mold of the players Pioli is looking for. A definite leader, the guy had 600+ tackles at Boston College! If they do go the Kuechly route, I think we'd have one of the best LB corps in the league with Hali, DJ, Kuechly, and Houston.

texaschief
03-18-2012, 03:48 AM
I think the pick will be Kuechly at this point. OL isn't such a priority with Winston now under contract. DeCastro would be an extreme luxury at this piont. Poe seems like a big reach at #11 overall... but let's be honest, it wouldn't be the first time Pioli and co. have reached for a DL. I think there is a better value at NT in the 2nd round and it isn't out of the question to find a starting OG in the 3rd if they drafted to fill holes.

They could also still find a guard on the free agent market as well.

Dan Koppen, as a 32yo center from NE is available and could be a replacement at center leaving Hudson available to play guard. I'm sure Pioli will have interest in Koppen who missed most of last year with a broken ankle.

Vernon Carey is an OG/OT from Miami. 30yo with 8 years of starting experience would bring good depth to the line because of his experience at OG and RT.

Although, if the Chiefs don't want to go ILB in the draft, Curtis Lofton is one of the best ILBs in the league and is only 25yo. He has a meeting set up with the Saints who will probably sign him. But if he slips out of their grasp, it would be a boon for the Chiefs if they were able to get this kid.

jap1
03-18-2012, 07:08 PM
I think the pick will be Kuechly at this point. OL isn't such a priority with Winston now under contract. DeCastro would be an extreme luxury at this piont. Poe seems like a big reach at #11 overall... but let's be honest, it wouldn't be the first time Pioli and co. have reached for a DL. I think there is a better value at NT in the 2nd round and it isn't out of the question to find a starting OG in the 3rd if they drafted to fill holes.

They could also still find a guard on the free agent market as well.

Dan Koppen, as a 32yo center from NE is available and could be a replacement at center leaving Hudson available to play guard. I'm sure Pioli will have interest in Koppen who missed most of last year with a broken ankle.

Vernon Carey is an OG/OT from Miami. 30yo with 8 years of starting experience would bring good depth to the line because of his experience at OG and RT.

Although, if the Chiefs don't want to go ILB in the draft, Curtis Lofton is one of the best ILBs in the league and is only 25yo. He has a meeting set up with the Saints who will probably sign him. But if he slips out of their grasp, it would be a boon for the Chiefs if they were able to get this kid.

Either of those OL would be good pickups for competition and/or depth. I read somewhere that we were moving away from a zone blocking scheme to a power blocking scheme. If that is the case, then Lilja is way too small, and they will probably be looking to replace him.

I have read that Lofton is asking for way too much money.

texaschief
03-18-2012, 08:50 PM
This ZBS v. PBS is BS. lol (see what I did there?)


The Chiefs have been running a zone blocking scheme for more than 4 years now. We're not transitioning to a PBS. Whoever started that crap simply doesn't what the hell they're talking about. We don't go after guys like the ones we have on our O-line if we're power-blocking.

slc chief
03-18-2012, 08:58 PM
i vote for this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXSfQWM0f3Y&feature=related

OPLookn
03-19-2012, 11:34 AM
This ZBS v. PBS is BS. lol (see what I did there?)


The Chiefs have been running a zone blocking scheme for more than 4 years now. We're not transitioning to a PBS. Whoever started that crap simply doesn't what the hell they're talking about. We don't go after guys like the ones we have on our O-line if we're power-blocking.

Daboll designs his offense around the OLine we have.

Eric Winston - 6'7", 317 lbs
Jon Asamoah - 6'4", 305 lbs
Rodney Hudson - 6'1", 299 lbs
Ryan Lilja - 6'2", 290 lbs
Brandon Albert - 6'5", 316 lbs

I wish we have sound clips because I can hear the song in my head as I type this...which one of these is not like the other?

David DeCastro 6'5, 316 lbs

I think DeCastro is the best choice for us in the draft. He's a can't miss (I believe you said that's what we need when we draft in the 1st) pick and he immediately upgrades our line and with Lilja being a free agent after this year he'd be great backup and someone that can teach DeCastro the ropes.

After this season Lija will be 31 and I don't see him getting another starting contract. I believe that his drop off is due to age, DeCastro has 26 lbs on him which is huge and we need to get bigger and younger on the line. If we could sign him back next year as a backup that would be good.

But I think we still definitely need to upgrade our OLine. We've neglected it so long that even the shadow of our former line could kick our OLine's butt today.