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dbolan
01-10-2012, 12:27 PM
TOTAL DEFENSIVE RANKINGS

Romeo with the Pats as DC:

2001- 24th (SB Year)
2002- 23rd (SB Year)
2003- 7th
2004- 9th (SB Year)

Pats After Romeo:

2005- 26th
2006- 6th
2007- 4th
2008- 10th


Browns Defense with Romeo as HC:

2005- 16th
2006- 27th
2007- 30th
2008- 26th

Read into it what you want or don't want.....

josh1971
01-10-2012, 12:50 PM
We get it- you don't like Romeo Crennel or his hire as Chiefs head coach.

dbolan
01-10-2012, 12:59 PM
We get it- you don't like Romeo Crennel or his hire as Chiefs head coach.

You are correct.:chiefs:

N TX Dave
01-10-2012, 01:06 PM
You are correct.:chiefs:

But it is a done deal so get over it and move on, it is what it is. No matter how much you complain about it is not going to chance the fact RAC is going to be our HC for the next year at least and probably longer.

matthewschiefs
01-10-2012, 01:33 PM
So the pats went from a top 10 D to 25th Right after Romeo left. Maybe that tells you something. And I will say again for what he did in Cleveland WHO DID HE HAVE THERE. Name me ONE coach that has done well there since the Browns got back in the NFL. Name 1. The fact is there best record since they have been back in the NFL was under Romeo. It doesn't matter what he did with the browns. What matters is what he's done with the chiefs. He right now is 2-1 Judge what he's done with THIS TEAM.

When he took over this D handled the UNBEATEN Packers powerhouse offense. Judge that.

Jrudi
01-10-2012, 01:47 PM
so are these rankings based on Total yards allowed? points allowed? turnovers?

just wanting to know

Chief Concerns
01-10-2012, 02:13 PM
so are these rankings based on Total yards allowed? points allowed? turnovers?

just wanting to know

This seem to rankings in total yards allowed.... but forgot his years in KC

2010 - 14th
2011 - 11th

:kc:

Chief Concerns
01-10-2012, 02:23 PM
And before Romeo came in KC's rankings...

2009 - 30th
2008 - 31st

:kc:

okikcfan
01-10-2012, 02:30 PM
Ya know, it really doesn't matter how you feel about it (No Disrespect) but the fact is it's a done deal. Accept it. If he fails? I guess you were right But, if he doesn't, will you ever admit it? He deserves the chance to prove himself.

Ryfo18
01-10-2012, 02:47 PM
Total yards allowed in evaluating a defense can be pretty meaningless. Points allowed and turnovers will tell you a lot more.

whackojacko58
01-10-2012, 03:02 PM
TOTAL DEFENSIVE RANKINGS

Romeo with the Pats as DC:

2001- 24th (SB Year)
2002- 23rd (SB Year)
2003- 7th
2004- 9th (SB Year)

Pats After Romeo:

2005- 26th
2006- 6th
2007- 4th
2008- 10th


Browns Defense with Romeo as HC:

2005- 16th
2006- 27th
2007- 30th
2008- 26th

Read into it what you want or don't want.....

god someone turn that stick in your @$$. Hes our head coach get over it! never been more annoyed by another chiefs fan. Did you watch the players after the packers win? Did you see dj finally got a pro bowl? Add Berry best secondary hands down*as long as we bring carr back* :beat_DeadHorse: we will bring in a good oc and have a nicer schedule then last year. As long as the end of the world dosen't happen will be in the playoffs next year :sign0081: :booyah: :saythat:

pojote
01-10-2012, 03:41 PM
TOTAL DEFENSIVE RANKINGS

Romeo with the Pats as DC:

2001- 24th (SB Year)
2002- 23rd (SB Year)
2003- 7th
2004- 9th (SB Year)

Pats After Romeo:

2005- 26th
2006- 6th
2007- 4th
2008- 10th


Browns Defense with Romeo as HC:

2005- 16th
2006- 27th
2007- 30th
2008- 26th

Read into it what you want or don't want.....

OK. That's total defense, Let's see points allowed, same seasons:

2001- 6th (SB Year)
2002- 17th (SB Year)
2003- 1st
2004- 2nd (SB Year)

Pats After Romeo:

2005- 17th
2006- 2nd
2007- 4th
2008- 8th


Browns Defense with Romeo as HC:

2005- 11th
2006- 22nd
2007- 21st
2008- 16th

Not that bad. Maybe, are other factors to be included.

chief31
01-10-2012, 05:40 PM
OK. That's total defense, Let's see points allowed, same seasons:

2001- 6th (SB Year)
2002- 17th (SB Year)
2003- 1st
2004- 2nd (SB Year)

Pats After Romeo:

2005- 17th
2006- 2nd
2007- 4th
2008- 8th


Browns Defense with Romeo as HC:

2005- 11th
2006- 22nd
2007- 21st
2008- 16th

Not that bad. Maybe, are other factors to be included.

2000 Patriots - 17th ... Add Crennel ... 6th (+9)
2004 Patriots - 2nd ... Subtract Crennel ... 17th (-15)

2004 Browns - 24th ... Add Crennel ... 11th (+13)
2008 Browns - 16th ... Subtract Crennel ... 21st (-5)

2009 Chiefs - 29th ... Add Crennel ... 11th (+18)

That is an average of gaining 13 spots by adding Crennel as your DC/HC, and an average loss of 10 spots by subtracting him.

I am not ready to drop 10 points from our 11th place ranking for next year. And if the "adding Crennel" rule is in effect for going from DC to HC, we stand to gain 13 spots, except that we can only go up ten spots, because he has us at 11th for 2011, despite the two disasters that we started out with.

Even in a half capacity, we stand to gain 6 spots, leaving us at 5th.

Sounds pretty good to me. :D

Stats are for team defense, points allowed per game....

NFL Stats: by Team Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&tabSeq=2&season=2000&role=OPP&Submit=Go&archive=true&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&qualified=true)

NFL Stats: by Team Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&tabSeq=2&season=2001&role=OPP&Submit=Go&archive=true&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&qualified=true)

NFL Stats: by Team Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&tabSeq=2&season=2004&role=OPP&Submit=Go&archive=true&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&qualified=true)

NFL Stats: by Team Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&tabSeq=2&season=2005&role=OPP&Submit=Go&archive=true&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&qualified=true)

NFL Stats: by Team Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&tabSeq=2&season=2008&role=OPP&Submit=Go&archive=true&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&qualified=true)

NFL Stats: by Team Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&tabSeq=2&season=2009&role=OPP&Submit=Go&archive=true&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&qualified=true)

NFL Stats: by Team Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&tabSeq=2&season=2010&role=OPP&Submit=Go&archive=true&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&qualified=true)

NFL Stats: by Team Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go)

TopekaRoy
01-10-2012, 06:43 PM
TOTAL DEFENSIVE RANKINGS

Romeo with the Pats as DC:

2001- 24th (SB Year)
2002- 23rd (SB Year)
2003- 7th
2004- 9th (SB Year)

Pats After Romeo:

2005- 26th
2006- 6th
2007- 4th
2008- 10th


Browns Defense with Romeo as HC:

2005- 16th
2006- 27th
2007- 30th
2008- 26th

Read into it what you want or don't want.....
I see you conveniently left out his stats with the Chiefs. We were 14th in 2010 and 11th this year. These would be the most important stats since he won't be coaching the Browns or the Patriots defense in KC and the Chiefs defense has gotten better each of the last 3 seasons.

ctchiefsfan
01-11-2012, 03:37 AM
I can't say I'm too thrilled with RAC as the head coach. Not against it. Just not excited.

But Y'know....I'm a Chiefs fan!!! And I support whoever management selects as head coach.

Horrible to say...but....just win baby!

dbolan
01-11-2012, 07:48 AM
god someone turn that stick in your @$$. Hes our head coach get over it! never been more annoyed by another chiefs fan. Did you watch the players after the packers win? Did you see dj finally got a pro bowl? Add Berry best secondary hands down*as long as we bring carr back* :beat_DeadHorse: we will bring in a good oc and have a nicer schedule then last year. As long as the end of the world dosen't happen will be in the playoffs next year :sign0081: :booyah: :saythat:

I think you are being the Pr*ck now....I can post my opinion here just as well as YOU! Just because i see it from a different viewpoint there is nothing to get OVER.

Maybe you and others just need to accept that I DON'T agree with your RC bandwagoning and stop bashing me for a simple presentation of factual numbers!

I admit I am not happy with the choice and have said that I HOPE I AM WRONG!

Have a beer and chill....

dbolan
01-11-2012, 07:53 AM
I see you conveniently left out his stats with the Chiefs. We were 14th in 2010 and 11th this year. These would be the most important stats since he won't be coaching the Browns or the Patriots defense in KC and the Chiefs defense has gotten better each of the last 3 seasons.


No I did not "conveniently" leave them out. The arguments have been primarily based on his tenure at NE and how he is going to be a great HC.

That is why I posted that data.

If you want to go there....He has MORE talent on the Chiefs defensive roster than he has had ANYWHERE which in turn, makes me cringe at the blowouts the D suffered on several ocassions but again, that is nothing and I am wrong...

I must remember that there are plenty of "holy'er than thou" members around here that will never accept anyone else's opinion other tha their own, or following the lead of their "buddy".

So be it...My island is peaceful!:chiefs:

nigeriannightmare
01-11-2012, 08:19 AM
No I did not "conveniently" leave them out. The arguments have been primarily based on his tenure at NE and how he is going to be a great HC.

That is why I posted that data.

If you want to go there....He has MORE talent on the Chiefs defensive roster than he has had ANYWHERE which in turn, makes me cringe at the blowouts the D suffered on several ocassions but again, that is nothing and I am wrong...

I must remember that there are plenty of "holy'er than thou" members around here that will never accept anyone else's opinion other tha their own, or following the lead of their "buddy".

So be it...My island is peaceful!:chiefs:

So when someone gives their opinion u say its crap because ur son plays the entire game....thats hypocritical man. A man wins 5 superbowl rings 5 of them and u want t discredit that because u think he will fail as chiefs hc, if thats not holy'r than thou i dont know what is.

Fact is romeo has had cleveland only winning record, with marginal talent, since returning to the nfl. Fact is he has won 5 superbowlls, fact is new england hasnt won one since he left, fact is he has taken a defense that was dead last in the league to being ranked 11 and is on the brink of being dominant. If ur gonna be factual than be factual but plucking out data to support your opinion is being a politician. Be objective hes done a lot of good that u havent given any credit to. No one is perfect no one

dbolan
01-11-2012, 08:32 AM
So when someone gives their opinion u say its crap because ur son plays the entire game....thats hypocritical man. A man wins 5 superbowl rings 5 of them and u want t discredit that because u think he will fail as chiefs hc, if thats not holy'r than thou i dont know what is.

Fact is romeo has had cleveland only winning record, with marginal talent, since returning to the nfl. Fact is he has won 5 superbowlls, fact is new england hasnt won one since he left, fact is he has taken a defense that was dead last in the league to being ranked 11 and is on the brink of being dominant. If ur gonna be factual than be factual but plucking out data to support your opinion is being a politician. Be objective hes done a lot of good that u havent given any credit to. No one is perfect no one

No...I just know an EXCUSE when I see it. I have not personally attacked any the posters here, just expressed my thoughts and opinions.

I NEVER have said he has done a sh*tty job here (but think he could do better and don't think he will be a good HC) or anywhere else other than Cleveland and that is why is is no longer there. Period.

The data I pulled WAS total defensive ranking for his tenure at NE a Cleveland. Add KC to the mix, fine with me!! This D should be ranked high with the talent WE HAVE!!

Again, I hope he succeeds for the TEAM but I have my doubts.

How many times have you suited up AND been involved in coaching????

Jrudi
01-11-2012, 10:44 AM
So when someone gives their opinion u say its crap because ur son plays the entire game....thats hypocritical man. A man wins 5 superbowl rings 5 of them and u want t discredit that because u think he will fail as chiefs hc, if thats not holy'r than thou i dont know what is.

Fact is romeo has had cleveland only winning record, with marginal talent, since returning to the nfl. Fact is he has won 5 superbowlls, fact is new england hasnt won one since he left, fact is he has taken a defense that was dead last in the league to being ranked 11 and is on the brink of being dominant. If ur gonna be factual than be factual but plucking out data to support your opinion is being a politician. Be objective hes done a lot of good that u havent given any credit to. No one is perfect no one

Would also like to add (to the fact that NE hasn't won a SB since he was there)

If anyone can remember, the Pats back then were good because of their decent Defensive play (not saying their offense couldn't get it done, they were good) but they weren't putting the numbers they has these past few seasons. Their Defense was stout, the scores were lower, and they had a higher turnover ratios.

I've heard Teddy Bruschi talking about it on ESPN, so I have to think that he did play a critical role in those super bowl seasons.

Romeo's tenure in NE (3 SB's in 4 seasons)

2001:
Points allowed per game- 17 (6th)
Offensive Points per game- 23.2 (6th)

2002:
Points allowed per game- 21.6 (17th)
Offensive Points per game- 23.8 (10th)

2003:
Points allowed per game- 14.9 (1st)
Offensive Points per game- 21.8 (16th)

2004:
Points allowed per game- 16.2 (2nd)
Offensive Points per game- 27.3 (4th)

Past 2 seasons:

2011:
Points allowed per game- 21.4 (15th)
Offensive Points per game- 32.1 (3rd)

2010:
Points allowed per game- 19.6 (8th)
Offensive Points per game- 32.4 (1st)

okikcfan
01-11-2012, 10:56 AM
In my opinion I think Romeo and Charlie were the perfect combo. They proved it in NE and they showed it here in KC. Now that Haley is gone it's too bad we could not have gotten Charlie back. A HC's record is just a part of the picture, it's the coaches around him that help's make his team what it is. We need a solid DC and OC to get to where we want to go. Just my opinion....

TopekaRoy
01-11-2012, 12:09 PM
No I did not "conveniently" leave them out. The arguments have been primarily based on his tenure at NE and how he is going to be a great HC.

That is why I posted that data.
I understand that and I'm saying your conclusions are flawed because they are based on incomplete data. You cherry picked the data that you thought would best support your "mind-already-made-up" opinion, rather than forming your opinion after examining all of the data


If you want to go there....He has MORE talent on the Chiefs defensive roster than he has had ANYWHERE...
So by your own admission a) his records at NE and CLE are not relevant because he was working with less talent, so you can't compare what he did there with what he is likely to do here, and B) He will do better with the Chiefs because he has more talent to work with.

You just made my point for me. :smile

nigeriannightmare
01-11-2012, 12:45 PM
No...I just know an EXCUSE when I see it. I have not personally attacked any the posters here, just expressed my thoughts and opinions.

I NEVER have said he has done a sh*tty job here (but think he could do better and don't think he will be a good HC) or anywhere else other than Cleveland and that is why is is no longer there. Period.

The data I pulled WAS total defensive ranking for his tenure at NE a Cleveland. Add KC to the mix, fine with me!! This D should be ranked high with the talent WE HAVE!!

Again, I hope he succeeds for the TEAM but I have my doubts.

How many times have you suited up AND been involved in coaching????

So if someone offers an opinion that u say is an excuse it must be so because u know an excuse when i hear one but if you have an opinion we must take it as such.....am i the only ine that sees the hypicrisy in this.

I played high school football and was a varsity letter,i played basketball was a varsity letter, however i excelled in tennis for which i got a scholarship to play at rockhurst university. And i can tell u the anount of energy it takes to play at the college is a lot higher than the high school level. And i played a couple pro tournaments and lets just say professionals are another level.

dbolan
01-11-2012, 12:50 PM
So if someone offers an opinion that u say is an excuse it must be so because u know an excuse when i hear one but if you have an opinion we must take it as such.....am i the only ine that sees the hypicrisy in this.

I played high school football and was a varsity letter,i played basketball was a varsity letter, however i excelled in tennis for which i got a scholarship to play at rockhurst university. And i can tell u the anount of energy it takes to play at the college is a lot higher than the high school level. And i played a couple pro tournaments and lets just say professionals are another level.

LMAO!!! Ok!!

nigeriannightmare
01-11-2012, 01:52 PM
LMAO!!! Ok!!

Wow is all im gonna say. First class. And people wonder why americans are hated. Sorry my life as an athelete doesnt meet ur high standards. I guess there is somebody perfect.

Jrudi
01-11-2012, 02:07 PM
Wow is all im gonna say. First class. And people wonder why americans are hated. Sorry my life as an athelete doesnt meet ur high standards. I guess there is somebody perfect.

So dbolan how much playing and coaching experience do you have?

Ryfo18
01-11-2012, 02:29 PM
So dbolan how much playing and coaching experience do you have?

Enough to know that you can't be that good of a football player if you're not talked about on ESPN.

OPLookn
01-11-2012, 02:44 PM
Wow is all im gonna say. First class. And people wonder why americans are hated. Sorry my life as an athelete doesnt meet ur high standards. I guess there is somebody perfect.

Football and basketball I'd play against you in. Tennis, uhm pass. :lol:

OPLookn
01-11-2012, 02:48 PM
So dbolan how much playing and coaching experience do you have?

He has yelled at the tv screen during games enough that he's practically stayed at a holiday inn! How dare you question his coaching skills.

As for player experience, he's probably run from the couch to the fridge several times during commercials...oh wait that's me. Hang on was this at a high school level or a pro level?

:lol:

nigeriannightmare
01-11-2012, 03:01 PM
Football and basketball I'd play against you in. Tennis, uhm pass. :lol:

If ur evet in lake ozark we play sunday mornigs at 9 am flag football. Usually 10 to 14 guys its fun. Basketball im in a y league. Am i the greatest but i love playing. Let me know.

Jrudi
01-11-2012, 04:00 PM
Enough to know that you can't be that good of a football player if you're not talked about on ESPN.

ahh so he was probably a guy that wanted Cowher or Gruden right??

Just because we've heard the name, doesn't mean they can make it all better (ex: Shannahan in Washington)