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okikcfan
01-20-2012, 10:00 AM
According to Eli Kaberon of Pro Football Weekly, the Kansas City Chiefs plan to bring Matt Cassel back as their starting QB in 2012 but also plan to draft a QB.
However, the source stated that the Chiefs are expected to add a quarterback at some point during the offseason, likely in the draft. After Pioli saw the team crumble with Tyler Palko in the lineup, he would like a more reliable backup in case Cassel is hurt again. The team was hoping 2011 fifth-round pick Ricky Stanzi would be that player, but he hasnít developed at the rate the team expected.
Kaberon reports that QB Kyle Orton is unlikely to return in order to seek out a team where he will have a better chance of landing a starting gig.
That is a bit of a contradiction to another report released today from Michael Lombardi of NFL.com.
According to Lombardi, the Chiefs plan to try to re-sign Orton so that he can compete with Cassel in training camp for the starting role.
Speaking of Orton, the Chiefs will make an effort to sign him this offseason and bring him back for another year to compete with starter Matt Cassel. And staying in K.C. might be the best option for Orton if he wants to be a starter.
So which is it? Are the Chiefs going to role with Cassel/Orton or Cassel and a drafted QB to be named later?
My guess is that there is some truth to both these reports. The Chiefs likely will try to re-sigh Orton while selling him a bill of goods that he has a chance to win the starting job. However, if a team with a more pathetic QB situation calls for Ortonís services, he probably will bolt. Iíd say if Cassel is coming back he has a 60-40 edge to start over Orton. If Orton gets a better deal, heís gone.
If Orton wonít play ball and the Chiefs really are unhappy with Stanzi, then they will have to draft a QB. Unfortunately, if the plan is to draft a backup, that likely means the Chiefs wonít pursue a first-round QB. Both these reports seem to indicate that the Chiefs plan on going into 2012 with a veteran signal caller leading their offense, not a rookie first round pick.
What say you, Addicts? How is this all going to go down?
Tags: kansas city chiefs, kyle orton, matt cassel, Scott Pioli

Jrudi
01-20-2012, 11:24 AM
I think I agree with the 60-40 chance Cassel is the QB in 2012....

I really think it is more likely that Cassel is our starter this next season because:

1. He is viewed as a leader inside this locker room, and has gained trust and respect from the players around him in the locker room.

2. He is more familiar with this organization than Orton. And has shown he can be a good QB with a better mind at OC (2010)

3. He took this team to the playoffs in 2010, would have had a shot to do it again in 2011 if it weren't for his injury (despite some big downs this season)

4. Romeo Crennel believes Cassel can get us back to the playoffs. CRENNEL: ďMatt Cassel has won here. I mean weíve been to a playoff with Matt Cassel so I donít think that Matt Cassel has fallen off of the wagon overnight. I think heís a good talent, a good quarterback and heís taken us to a playoff so I anticipate that he can do it again.Ē

5. Cassel is under contract.....Orton is not.

Our backup situation is something that I just don't know... I sometimes think Pioli will look to add a talented QB in rounds 2-5...But then I look at what happened this year and say. There's no way they go into next season without a veteran backup..Because if we were to have had an experienced backup, we would have been hosting the Bengals or Steelers in week 18.

I then look at Stanzi... are they really ready to give up on him? does it mean they have if they draft another QB.

The other possibility I look at, is having 4 QB's on the roster. Starter- Cassel, Backup- Veteran FA, 3rd String- Stanzi, Practice squad- Draft Choice

the only problem that presents is that we have to release the draft choice to re-sign him to the practice squad after training camp... may be a wasted pick if someone puts a waiver claim on him.

Ryfo18
01-20-2012, 11:27 AM
If you have 2 quarterbacks, you have no quarterbacks.

okikcfan
01-20-2012, 12:31 PM
If you have 2 quarterbacks, you have no quarterbacks.

Not too sure I get that comment, kinda slow today. My guess if they do indeed draft another QB, Stanzi will be the one cut and sent to the practice squad.

Ryfo18
01-20-2012, 12:40 PM
Not too sure I get that comment, kinda slow today. My guess if they do indeed draft another QB, Stanzi will be the one cut and sent to the practice squad.

It's just an old saying that implies if you don't have a clear cut starting QB, you probably don't have any "good" starting quarterbacks. Changing QBs tends to disrupt the offense and struggle to get in a rhythm.

okikcfan
01-20-2012, 12:53 PM
Aaahhhhh, so so true!

RusLwt001
01-20-2012, 02:08 PM
I really don't see the Chiefs drafting another late round QB this year. The problem they had this year was No Experienced QB as a BU. I think they try for Orton, but we all really know what problems Orton can have the longer he plays. He's an Interception machine. He is a mediocre BU and we saw his best stuff for a couple of games. Maybe we get Flynn from GB...he would be a starter in no time. I do believe before Training Camp is over there will be a veteran BU in-place and it probably won't be Orton. We really need to fix our O-line...bad! I also believe they have to spend a pick on another RB. Charles will not be 100% when he returns and we know he is not an every down back. Can't wait to see what Pioli and RAC can do in the draft. I would love to see an agressive move up to get some real talent.

Hayvern
01-20-2012, 08:35 PM
I really don't see the Chiefs drafting another late round QB this year. The problem they had this year was No Experienced QB as a BU. I think they try for Orton, but we all really know what problems Orton can have the longer he plays. He's an Interception machine. He is a mediocre BU and we saw his best stuff for a couple of games. Maybe we get Flynn from GB...he would be a starter in no time. I do believe before Training Camp is over there will be a veteran BU in-place and it probably won't be Orton. We really need to fix our O-line...bad! I also believe they have to spend a pick on another RB. Charles will not be 100% when he returns and we know he is not an every down back. Can't wait to see what Pioli and RAC can do in the draft. I would love to see an agressive move up to get some real talent.
Sorry, really Flynn again? He is like Cassel was when he came here, except Flynn has not started a complete season.

We will not be bringing Flynn in here, if we go after a veteran, it will be someone like (but not) McNabb or something like that, perhaps Campbell.

I think we do draft a QB, and I think we draft one pretty high. Cassel is a free agent next year and unless he comes out and proves he has what it takes, he will become a backup

Three7s
01-20-2012, 09:08 PM
The Chiefs can't draft a QB! Think of what it would do to the "true fans"!

whackojacko58
01-20-2012, 09:24 PM
i don't know who our qb will be, this will be the last year we do this game show (who wants to be the qb). If it isn't solidified this season be prepared for us to either get a big name next year or draft someone high

2010chiefs
01-20-2012, 10:39 PM
Hopefully they learned there lesson with Stanzi about drafting QB's in the latter rounds. Seems like we don't have the coaches here to develop em. I'm hoping we resign Orton. If not, we need a proven QB with some experience as a starter to compete with Cassel. To show Cassel how it's done in my opinion.

bricooper78
01-20-2012, 10:47 PM
I am so glad to see something the team has said about Stanzi not developing. I've been blasted several times, especially when I bring up the technical ability of Vandenberg vs Stanzi.
I may be biased, took classes from V-berg's dad, we're from the same little old Keokuk lol but still, the coaches liked Stanzi, but that was it, he wasn't a "next level" player, and they have several signs Vberg should make the transition.
I keep in his dad's ear to make sure he talks to KC about getting drafted LOL

doobs_05
01-21-2012, 12:46 AM
The Chiefs can't draft a QB! Think of what it would do to the "true fans"!

I lol'd

70 chiefsfan70
01-21-2012, 07:54 AM
i don't know who our qb will be, this will be the last year we do this game show (who wants to be the qb). If it isn't solidified this season be prepared for us to either get a big name next year or draft someone high



Thats why it would make sense to try and draft a legit protential starter in the 1st or second round, however the value will not be there in the first and the same is likely in the second, without us doing some trading and I just don't see pioli doing that this year with all the needs still out there. It would be good to draft a qb and let him backup and to develope into a starter. I have my doubts with Stanzi.

Cassel is used to being the starter and getting big pay checks and he will not easily give that up. so before being our backup I'm sure he would test the market, as he well should.

ctchiefsfan
01-21-2012, 11:48 AM
Well....First, let's assume that Palko is history.

That leaves us currently with Cassel, Orton and Stanzi.

I'd feel pretty good with keeping Orton and letting him and Cassel duke it out for the starting job.

If that doesn't happen, then we're left with Cassel and Stanzi.

If that winds up being the case, I'd rather see us bring in a FA with some experience than bring in another late round rookie QB. We already have one of those.

A trade up that allowed us to pick up a hot shot QB in the first round of the draft would be interesting but I'm inclined to think we would have to give up too much to get it and I would rather see us concentrating on the o-line rather than giving up a lot of draft choices to get a rookie QB.

All that said, I don't want to see us go into the season with just Cassel and Stanzi.

So my first choice is to keep Orton and my second choice would be to go looking for a FA QB or a trade.

nigeriannightmare
01-21-2012, 11:56 AM
Hopefully they learned there lesson with Stanzi about drafting QB's in the latter rounds. Seems like we don't have the coaches here to develop em. I'm hoping we resign Orton. If not, we need a proven QB with some experience as a starter to compete with Cassel. To show Cassel how it's done in my opinion.

Will u please explain why stanzi is no good. He outplayed palko in the pre season. Besides a reporters opinion how do u know he ismt gonna cut it.

Three7s
01-21-2012, 12:37 PM
Will u please explain why stanzi is no good. He outplayed palko in the pre season. Besides a reporters opinion how do u know he ismt gonna cut it.
We'll never know because all this team cares about is Cassel.

Jrudi
01-23-2012, 10:01 AM
I really don't see the Chiefs drafting another late round QB this year. The problem they had this year was No Experienced QB as a BU. I think they try for Orton, but we all really know what problems Orton can have the longer he plays. He's an Interception machine. He is a mediocre BU and we saw his best stuff for a couple of games. Maybe we get Flynn from GB...he would be a starter in no time. I do believe before Training Camp is over there will be a veteran BU in-place and it probably won't be Orton. We really need to fix our O-line...bad! I also believe they have to spend a pick on another RB. Charles will not be 100% when he returns and we know he is not an every down back. Can't wait to see what Pioli and RAC can do in the draft. I would love to see an agressive move up to get some real talent.

I'm sorry but Flynn's going to Miami to follow Philbin.

The Dophins are in DIRE need of a starting QB, and with the numbers he put up in the couple of starts in Philbin/McCarthy system will see him want to land there.

Miami will be willing to pay him starting money, and they could then look to improve elsewhere in the draft, putting them in a good position to be competitive next year.

I think the biggest mistake Flynn could make, would be to go to a team that runs a different system then the Pack, It will make his transition that much easier, and allow him to come in, and know what's going on instead of having to learn a completely new system.

Mark my word....If Flynn heads to Miami next season he will be a Fantasy Machine... But if he goes elsewhere, I bet he flops.

The only way I see Flynn heading here would be if Clements comes on as our OC....Which I wouldn't mind

Hayvern
01-23-2012, 10:33 AM
Will u please explain why stanzi is no good. He outplayed palko in the pre season. Besides a reporters opinion how do u know he ismt gonna cut it.

We had Stanzi on the roster all season. When Cassel went down, the coaches went with Palko over Stanzi. Then, they went out and picked up Orton when he came available.

One has to come to the realization that Stanzi, at least right now, is not good enough to beat out Cassel, not good enough to beat out Orton, and the most damning evidence of all, he could not beat out Palko.

That tells me that he is not ready for prime time. These coaches are people that work with these kids all day long, and they know what they can and cannot do. The fact some of you wish it to be true, does not make it true.

figcrostic
01-23-2012, 10:50 AM
We had Stanzi on the roster all season. When Cassel went down, the coaches went with Palko over Stanzi. Then, they went out and picked up Orton when he came available.

One has to come to the realization that Stanzi, at least right now, is not good enough to beat out Cassel, not good enough to beat out Orton, and the most damning evidence of all, he could not beat out Palko.

That tells me that he is not ready for prime time. These coaches are people that work with these kids all day long, and they know what they can and cannot do. The fact some of you wish it to be true, does not make it true.

I'm holding my judgement on that I don't know much about Stanzi, also Rich Gannon couldn't beat Elvis Grbac and a lot of other guys out of a starting job.

Bike
01-23-2012, 11:14 AM
We had Stanzi on the roster all season. When Cassel went down, the coaches went with Palko over Stanzi. Then, they went out and picked up Orton when he came available.

One has to come to the realization that Stanzi, at least right now, is not good enough to beat out Cassel, not good enough to beat out Orton, and the most damning evidence of all, he could not beat out Palko.

That tells me that he is not ready for prime time. These coaches are people that work with these kids all day long, and they know what they can and cannot do. The fact some of you wish it to be true, does not make it true.
If Stanzi couldn't even beat out Palko, it's probably time for him to go...

pojote
01-23-2012, 11:29 AM
If Stanzi couldn't even beat out Palko, it's probably time for him to go...

Last 3 games of the season he was the backup QB. Palko, third. If Orton weren't healthy enough to play GB, Stanzi would start that.

Chief Concerns
01-23-2012, 11:30 AM
I heard several times throughout the year that Stanzi was slowly being brought along, that he was not even given the entire play book, and that he was not even expected to play until his third year. It was said that even though he may give the Chiefs a better chance than Palko, they didn't want to play him before he was ready and just throw the plans they had for him out the window.

:kc:

figcrostic
01-23-2012, 11:33 AM
I heard several times throughout the year that Stanzi was slowly being brought along, that he was not even given the entire play book, and that he was not even expected to play until his third year. It was said that even though he may give the Chiefs a better chance than Palko, they didn't want to play him before he was ready and just throw the plans they had for him out the window.

:kc:

Makes sense that's what people typically do with young qb's but Palko played so bad I'm surprised we didn't give him a try unless the rumors about Haley not starting him because he was sticking it to the man are true.

dbolan
01-23-2012, 12:36 PM
If Stanzi couldn't even beat out Palko, it's probably time for him to go...

I can understand that...But it raises a question...

WHO is the one is approving these guys for our draft?

Just sayin....