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hayden2004
02-10-2012, 02:56 PM
nick wright@getnickwright

Always KC. RT @MattPomPom (https://twitter.com/#!/MattPomPom) Teams with most salary cap room(in millions): KC $63, TB $60, CIN $60, DEN $51, WAS $48, JAC $45.

dbolan
02-10-2012, 03:41 PM
What's new? lmao

matthewschiefs
02-10-2012, 04:12 PM
I see us being much more active in the free agent market the next couple of seasons. We have built this team mostly through the draft now it's time that we go out and add the key peaces that we need. Maybe a Certain Qb if he's close to 100%

70 chiefsfan70
02-10-2012, 04:23 PM
I see us being much more active in the free agent market the next couple of seasons. We have built this team mostly through the draft now it's time that we go out and add the key peaces that we need. Maybe a Certain Qb if he's close to 100%


I don't see that happening, but Him at 75% is far better then most at 100%.


I agree though we are likely to see the chiefs use the fa market much more this year. We need to take care of Bowe and Carr first.

nigeriannightmare
02-10-2012, 04:27 PM
I bet washington spends every penny. We dont this yr but next yr we do (have to spend it all)? I wonder whats piolis bonus structure on profitabilty. I always forget that they are still running a business. Id spend it all which is why im a broke arse.

matthewschiefs
02-10-2012, 06:11 PM
I don't see that happening, but Him at 75% is far better then most at 100%.


I agree though we are likely to see the chiefs use the fa market much more this year. We need to take care of Bowe and Carr first.

Yeah I don't expect to see that we sign Manning but It would be a nice surprise.

TopekaRoy
02-10-2012, 07:23 PM
nick wright@getnickwright

Always KC. RT @MattPomPom (https://twitter.com/#!/MattPomPom) Teams with most salary cap room(in millions): KC $63, TB $60, CIN $60, DEN $51, WAS $48, JAC $45.

That sounds a bit high to me. I would like to see a breakdown of the numbers. Does this figure include unused cap space from last year that will carry over to this year?

I would be willing to bet this number is so high because the Chiefs have 22 players due to hit Free Agency next month and none of their salaries are included in the payroll figure. I expect that number to be much lower after we resign the players we want to keep.

Anyway, these numbers are very good news for the Chiefs. It means we will have the money to sign pretty much any free agent we want this year. Kudos to Pioli for putting the Chiefs in such a good position.

whackojacko58
02-10-2012, 07:47 PM
every year we say hey they gonna spend money then you know what? they don't, only time they did that i can remember was bringing in ty law and trading for surtain. But that money could bring in a good dt, and some un named qb lol. then draft lineman(all this upon us resigning bowe and franchiseing carr)

Ryfo18
02-10-2012, 10:52 PM
I'm going to be really mad if the Chiefs don't sign Carr and Bowe.

AussieChiefsFan
02-10-2012, 10:57 PM
I'm going to be really mad if the Chiefs don't sign Carr and Bowe.

:bananen_smilies046:

KCCF
02-10-2012, 10:58 PM
Sign both Carr and bowe. Pick up nicks and maybe some defense depth and with our draft I see us being among the toughest to handle next year.

AussieChiefsFan
02-10-2012, 11:01 PM
Sign both Carr and bowe. Pick up nicks and maybe some defense depth and with our draft I see us being among the toughest to handle next year.

These signings would be awesome!! We have the money, so why not?!

And we NEED bowe and carr anyway, and bowe has said he wants to stay.

TopekaRoy
02-10-2012, 11:46 PM
every year we say hey they gonna spend money then you know what? they don't, only time they did that i can remember was bringing in ty law and trading for surtain.

Matt Cassel 6yrs/$63,000,000 ($12,250,000 in 2011)
Kyle Orton $7,379,000 in 2011 (played in 4 games)
Eric Berry 5yrs/$60,000,000
Tamba Hali 5yrs/$60,000,000
Tyson Jackson 5yrs/$57,000,000
Brandon Flowers 5yrs/$50,600,000
Derrick Johnson 6yr/$36,475,000
Glenn Dorsey 5yrs/$33,000,000 ($5,586,000 in 2012)
Jamaal Charles 5yrs/$32,500,000 ($12,350,000 with bonuses in 2011)

Now they need to resign Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Carr, both of whom are seen as top 10 free agents.

Yeah, you are right. The Chiefs are cheapskates.

matthewschiefs
02-10-2012, 11:56 PM
every year we say hey they gonna spend money then you know what? they don't, only time they did that i can remember was bringing in ty law and trading for surtain. But that money could bring in a good dt, and some un named qb lol. then draft lineman(all this upon us resigning bowe and franchiseing carr)

I think that this year it's much more likely to see them actually go out and spend and be much more active in the free agent market. Lets face it much of the past few seasons we were in no condition to really compete for a superbowl no matter what one guy we brought in. We have a solid defense that is able to win games. A ok offense that can move the ball. We just need to find the help to help us in the Red zone where we were really awful. If we were even 25% better in the redzone we probably would have been in the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row. This team is much closer now I see them bringing in the guys they think that could be the answer to those problems

AussieChiefsFan
02-11-2012, 12:03 AM
I think that this year it's much more likely to see them actually go out and spend and be much more active in the free agent market. Lets face it much of the past few seasons we were in no condition to really compete for a superbowl no matter what one guy we brought in. We have a solid defense that is able to win games. A ok offense that can move the ball. We just need to find the help to help us in the Red zone where we were really awful. If we were even 25% better in the redzone we probably would have been in the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row. This team is much closer now I see them bringing in the guys they think that could be the answer to those problems

I agree. in the end, this has has dramatically improved recently.

IMO we now have things to look forward to.

nigeriannightmare
02-11-2012, 08:28 AM
Matt Cassel 6yrs/$63,000,000 ($12,250,000 in 2011)
Kyle Orton $7,379,000 in 2011 (played in 4 games)
Eric Berry 5yrs/$60,000,000
Tamba Hali 5yrs/$60,000,000
Tyson Jackson 5yrs/$57,000,000
Brandon Flowers 5yrs/$50,600,000
Derrick Johnson 6yr/$36,475,000
Glenn Dorsey i5yrs/$33,000,000 ($5,586,000 in 2012)
Jamaal Charles 5yrs/$32,500,000 ($12,350,000 with bonuses in 2011)

Now they need to resign Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Carr, both of whom are seen as top 10 free agents.

Yeah, you are right. The Chiefs are cheapskates.

Didnt succop get a hefty extension this year too.

AussieChiefsFan
02-11-2012, 08:32 AM
Didnt succop get a hefty extension this year too.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that the team signed kicker Ryan Succop to a five-year, $14 million extension.

Chiefs sign Ryan Succop to contract extension | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/30/ryan-succop-signs-contract-extension/)

drstandley31
02-11-2012, 11:36 AM
I see us being much more active in the free agent market the next couple of seasons. We have built this team mostly through the draft now it's time that we go out and add the key peaces that we need. Maybe a Certain Qb if he's close to 100%
I sure hope you are right. I can't take another season like that, knowing they are sitting on a mountain of cash.

whackojacko58
02-11-2012, 05:01 PM
I think that this year it's much more likely to see them actually go out and spend and be much more active in the free agent market. Lets face it much of the past few seasons we were in no condition to really compete for a superbowl no matter what one guy we brought in. We have a solid defense that is able to win games. A ok offense that can move the ball. We just need to find the help to help us in the Red zone where we were really awful. If we were even 25% better in the redzone we probably would have been in the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row. This team is much closer now I see them bringing in the guys they think that could be the answer to those problems

sir I hope you are right and i eat crow lol. I'm excited about this offseason but I've been a fan since 95, never have seen a playoff win and my roommate is a donkies fan and I just watched teebow win a playoff game so i think its just got me in a rut :chiefs:

Jrudi
02-11-2012, 05:42 PM
Thought I saw a post on this but couldn't remember if it was on this thread....

Can't forget that Albert, Drosey and Colquitt will all become Free agents after this season, so we will need to work to get those guys signed as well.

Would be nice to get at least one of them locked up this off season after Bowe and Carr, and our top FA targets..

matthewschiefs
02-11-2012, 05:57 PM
sir I hope you are right and i eat crow lol. I'm excited about this offseason but I've been a fan since 95, never have seen a playoff win and my roommate is a donkies fan and I just watched teebow win a playoff game so i think its just got me in a rut :chiefs:

Been a fan since the same year as you and still waiting to. The better half is a Rams fan shes gotten a superbowl and loves to remind me of it LOL. I still think that we will be a good bit under the cap this season but I think we will be more aggressive in the free agent market. Simply because anytime you go from 10-6 to 7-9 the heat is going up on the gm.

Connie Jo
02-12-2012, 01:57 AM
‎"When Kyle Orton was claimed by the Chiefs, it was unofficially reported that the Chiefs were $27 million under the salary cap.

If that figure is accurate, then it gives them the resources to pursue a prize free agent (possibly a Nose Tackle) come NFL Free Agency. If not any big names, at least smaller ones, like Steve Breaston, who can come on board and fill a lot of holes.

But I wonder, can that reported figure possibly be true? $27 Million?

Over the last year, Pioli, has made a commitment to retain his core players with contract extensions. He has done just that. The problem is, that if you look at those numbers, the Chiefs must be closer to the cap than many fans think.

The following is a list of just eleven players off of that 53 man roster. Given the money shelled out to these eleven alone, those figures would be hard to believe:

Jamal Charles—$33 Million with a $12 Million Guarantee

Derrick Johnson—$34 Million with $18 Million Guarante

Tamba Hali—$60 Million with $35 Million Guarantee

Eric Berry—$60 Million with $34 Million Guarantee

Tyson Jackson—$57 Million with $31 Million Guarantee

Matt Cassel—$63 Million with $28 Million Guarantee

Glen Dorsey—$51 Million with $22 Million Guarantee

Brandon Flowers—$50 Million with $22 Million Guarantee

Wallace Gilberry—$10 Million with $6 Million Guarantee

Brandon Albert—$38 Million with 18 Million Guarantee

If you figure the Chiefs will put a Franchise tag on Dwayne Bowe next year, then he will make an average of the top five wide receivers in the NFL. That will cost them an additional $15 million for next season alone.

You do the math.

Granted not all that money is guaranteed, some will be prorated over the course of the contract, but even still that is a staggering amount. Would trading Matt Cassel make the difference?

Then again, they may add Kyle Orton to the mix, but I doubt it.

I want to also point out that if the Chiefs let Orton walk after this season, then the Chiefs will get an extra sixth Round compensatory pick either in 2012 or 2013. It will depend on whether he signs before or after this upcoming draft.

Under $27 Million? I doubt that. Believe me, unless they make some moves don't expect them to be big spenders in NFL free agency in 2012."

chief31
02-12-2012, 12:35 PM
‎"When Kyle Orton was claimed by the Chiefs, it was unofficially reported that the Chiefs were $27 million under the salary cap.

If that figure is accurate, then it gives them the resources to pursue a prize free agent (possibly a Nose Tackle) come NFL Free Agency. If not any big names, at least smaller ones, like Steve Breaston, who can come on board and fill a lot of holes.

But I wonder, can that reported figure possibly be true? $27 Million?

Over the last year, Pioli, has made a commitment to retain his core players with contract extensions. He has done just that. The problem is, that if you look at those numbers, the Chiefs must be closer to the cap than many fans think.

The following is a list of just eleven players off of that 53 man roster. Given the money shelled out to these eleven alone, those figures would be hard to believe:

Jamal Charles—$33 Million with a $12 Million Guarantee

Derrick Johnson—$34 Million with $18 Million Guarante

Tamba Hali—$60 Million with $35 Million Guarantee

Eric Berry—$60 Million with $34 Million Guarantee

Tyson Jackson—$57 Million with $31 Million Guarantee

Matt Cassel—$63 Million with $28 Million Guarantee

Glen Dorsey—$51 Million with $22 Million Guarantee

Brandon Flowers—$50 Million with $22 Million Guarantee

Wallace Gilberry—$10 Million with $6 Million Guarantee

Brandon Albert—$38 Million with 18 Million Guarantee

If you figure the Chiefs will put a Franchise tag on Dwayne Bowe next year, then he will make an average of the top five wide receivers in the NFL. That will cost them an additional $15 million for next season alone.

You do the math.

Granted not all that money is guaranteed, some will be prorated over the course of the contract, but even still that is a staggering amount. Would trading Matt Cassel make the difference?

Then again, they may add Kyle Orton to the mix, but I doubt it.

I want to also point out that if the Chiefs let Orton walk after this season, then the Chiefs will get an extra sixth Round compensatory pick either in 2012 or 2013. It will depend on whether he signs before or after this upcoming draft.

Under $27 Million? I doubt that. Believe me, unless they make some moves don't expect them to be big spenders in NFL free agency in 2012."

Here's the thing, where you are looking at some multi-year contracts, others are actually breaking them down to season specific totals, and going from there.

No doubt, this $64 million estimate is excluding players who are currently on pace to become FAs next month. And none of their numbers are 100% official, as they are from sports writers (we all know how trust-worthy they are).

And I don't put a whole lot of stock into sports writers' guesses.

But when it is every sports writer coming up with such similar numbers, odds are that they are going to be pretty close. They know the cap rules, the contract stipulations, and how teams work the numbers. For all of them to be dead wrong, because you doubt it, is not something I can subscribe to.

I also heard, a little while back, that the amount under the cap, for 2011, that a team was would grant some form of of bonus to 2012 cap room.

This would create a bigger number for amount under the cap, as the cap would be higher for the upcoming year.

But that too is not something I have seen reported by anybody more than our fellow crowd members.

TopekaRoy
02-12-2012, 02:12 PM
Here's the thing, where you are looking at some multi-year contracts, others are actually breaking them down to season specific totals, and going from there.

No doubt, this $64 million estimate is excluding players who are currently on pace to become FAs next month. And none of their numbers are 100% official, as they are from sports writers (we all know how trust-worthy they are).

And I don't put a whole lot of stock into sports writers' guesses.

But when it is every sports writer coming up with such similar numbers, odds are that they are going to be pretty close. They know the cap rules, the contract stipulations, and how teams work the numbers. For all of them to be dead wrong, because you doubt it, is not something I can subscribe to.

I also heard, a little while back, that the amount under the cap, for 2011, that a team was would grant some form of of bonus to 2012 cap room.

This would create a bigger number for amount under the cap, as the cap would be higher for the upcoming year.

But that too is not something I have seen reported by anybody more than our fellow crowd members.



According to NBCSports.com (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/12/new-cba-gives-teams-the-right-to-carry-over-cap-space-automatically/) (a pretty reliable source)


Under Article 13, Section 6(b)(v) of the CBA, each team may carry over any remaining cap room from one year to the next by submitting written notice, signed by the owner of the team, to the league office no later than 14 days before the start of the next league year. The written notice must indicate the maximum amount of cap room that the team wishes to shift from one cap year to the next.

Figuring out cap room is very complicated and the number keeps changing. AskTheCommish.com (http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp) reports the Chiefs cap space at $27,155,808. NFLTradeRumors.com (http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-team-cap-space/) says it's $34.3 million. I've heard numbers as high as $64 million. The fact that the Chiefs have 22 FAs to sign would make this year's cap space very high. That is 42% of the team. And the Chiefs have indicated that they will make resigning their current players a priority. That will eat up a lot of that cap space.

Scott Pioli (who should know) says the cap space from 2011 is around $20 million. And the Chiefs will carry over all of it; That doesn't mean they will spend it, but they have that option.

Here is a very good article from ArrowheadAddict.com (http://arrowheadaddict.com/2012/02/12/hunt-says-chiefs-will-carry-over-their-cap-space/) (Just posted today) where Pioli discusses the salary cap. Some interresting quotes:


According to an interview given by Clark Hunt the week of the Super Bowl, the Kansas City Chiefs finished the season about $20 million under the salary cap. There had been reports of the team being as much as $27 million under the cap, however Hunt indicated that those estimates were a bit high. Under the new rules of the updated CBA, teams can carry over unused cap dollars from one year to the next.
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With the extra $20 million, the Chiefs could outbid just about any other NFL team for any free agent they might deem worth the money.
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According to Hunt, the team has already decided to carry over their space.

“The reason we chose to carry it over is because we anticipate needing it in 2012 and 2013. Both to continue signing our own fee agents as well as being able to go out and sign some free agents from outside,” Hunt told 810 Sports just days before the Super Bowl.
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Because they’ve been near the bottom of the league in spending for a while now, many fans have taken to calling them the Kansas City Cheaps.

Those accusations might not necessarily be fair. The Chiefs are a very young team and quite frankly, they haven’t had many big stars worth spending money on since Scott Pioli came to town. Of the stars they do have, the Chiefs have re-signed most of them including Brandon Flowers, Tamba Hali, Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson. I’ve been saying for a while that we wouldn’t really be able to find out if the Chiefs were cheap or not until the time came to retain their stars and pay them big contracts. A young team will only be young and cheap for so long. Eventually, the Chiefs will have to pay or cut players lose. According to Hunt, the Chiefs are very aware that the time to spend if coming.

“When the team went young in 2008, with Herm Edwards as the coach, we ended up with a very young football team which put us way under the salary cap, that was sot of one of the byproducts of that,” Hunt said. “And when Scott came in, he inherited that situation. He’s gone out and added some key free agents as we’ve gone along. But we’ve also signed a lot of very expensive number one draft choices, particularly under the old CBA. A lot of time the way those contracts are structured, they create significant challenges for you from a cap standpoint as you go forward. Last year when I was speaking with some of the media about our salary cap situation, I told them that this situations going to change dramatically as we go forward. As we go into 2012 and 2013, we are going to utilize that cap space. Thank goodness we’ve been able to carry over the space that we had in 11′ to 12′ and 13′ because it’s really going to help us, it’s going to give us an advantage against some other teams that will have to let guys go.”

Pioli has already said that he needs to do a better job of getting enough depth on the team and has committed to doing so. The Chiefs have the money and they will spend it.

I just can't wait to see what they spend it on.

nicfre2011
02-12-2012, 03:42 PM
According to NBCSports.com (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/12/new-cba-gives-teams-the-right-to-carry-over-cap-space-automatically/) (a pretty reliable source)



Figuring out cap room is very complicated and the number keeps changing. AskTheCommish.com (http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp) reports the Chiefs cap space at $27,155,808. NFLTradeRumors.com (http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-team-cap-space/) says it's $34.3 million. I've heard numbers as high as $64 million. The fact that the Chiefs have 22 FAs to sign would make this year's cap space very high. That is 42% of the team. And the Chiefs have indicated that they will make resigning their current players a priority. That will eat up a lot of that cap space.

Scott Pioli (who should know) says the cap space from 2011 is around $20 million. And the Chiefs will carry over all of it; That doesn't mean they will spend it, but they have that option.

Here is a very good article from ArrowheadAddict.com (http://arrowheadaddict.com/2012/02/12/hunt-says-chiefs-will-carry-over-their-cap-space/) (Just posted today) where Pioli discusses the salary cap. Some interresting quotes:



Pioli has already said that he needs to do a better job of getting enough depth on the team and has committed to doing so. The Chiefs have the money and they will spend it.

I just can't wait to see what they spend it on.

Lockup Bowe and Carr long-term (obvious), bring in Paul Soliai from the Dolphins as our 3-4 nose tackle, if he hits the free agent market talk to Texans center Chris Myers...sign BenJarvus Green-Ellis as a compliment to Jamaal Charles, Anthony Collins from the Bengals as competition at right tackle (and as a swing tackle option for depth). That would give us alot of flexibility going into the draft.

whackojacko58
02-12-2012, 04:16 PM
is it free agency yet? lol....... were now correcting each other as to how much money the hunts are swimming in aka duck tales

whackojacko58
02-12-2012, 04:23 PM
heres a pic for everyone hunt tales!!
:lol:

70 chiefsfan70
02-12-2012, 04:49 PM
heres a pic for everyone hunt tales!!
:lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: I thought so! See that proves it!:lol: :lol: :lol:

TopekaRoy
02-12-2012, 06:32 PM
Lockup Bowe and Carr long-term (obvious) ($15 million est.), bring in Paul Soliai ($12.5 million) from the Dolphins as our 3-4 nose tackle , if he hits the free agent market talk to Texans center Chris Myers ($3.5 million)...sign BenJarvus Green-Ellis ($12.5 million) as a compliment to Jamaal Charles, Anthony Collins ($0.75 million) from the Bengals as competition at right tackle (and as a swing tackle option for depth). That would give us alot of flexibility going into the draft.The numbers I threw in there are based on the players' 2011 salaries (including prorated signing bonuses) except for Bowe and Car. There I'm just guessing at what it would cost to keep them both. That total is $44.25 million! And that takes care of 6 of our 22 FA spots. How much money will that leave us to fill the other 16 spots? Then we have to leave some cap room if we want to resign Albert, Dorsey and Colquit before they become free agents after next season.

Wow. Football players make a lot of money!

nicfre2011
02-12-2012, 08:12 PM
The numbers I threw in there are based on the players' 2011 salaries (including prorated signing bonuses) except for Bowe and Car. There I'm just guessing at what it would cost to keep them both. That total is $44.25 million! And that takes care of 6 of our 22 FA spots. How much money will that leave us to fill the other 16 spots? Then we have to leave some cap room if we want to resign Albert, Dorsey and Colquit before they become free agents after next season.

Wow. Football players make a lot of money!

Not sure if you are being sarcastic in your response, but I will bite. First off, obviously with either Bowe or Carr there is the option one of the two could be franchised (wide receiver $9.4 million for 2012, cornerback $10.6 million for 2012). Now, the thing that can be misleading is the "average salary" that gets thrown around by alot of people. This doesn't account for either front or back loading a contract, so depending on how the contract is structured with guaranteed money for example, the real salary (bonuses and base salary) could be very reasonable for long term contracts when compared to the franchise tender offers. The franchise tender offer is meant as a "last resort" for the team to retain the player, but it certainly is not a cheap one year deal...and obviously goes up substantially if the player is franchised the next year.

That being said, you can't expect to count Soliai's franchise tender of last year as what the Chiefs will have to pay in 2012 if they sign him long term. Keep in mind, the signing bonus can be spread over the lifetime of the contract (not sure the max number of years you can spread the signing bonus out, I was thinking 5...not sure if that changed)...plus you can offer more guaranteed money that could make the difference in the player accepting your offer or a competing offer.

On Chris Myers, I don't expect him to hit the free agent market as I would definitely figure the Texans will re-sign Myers long term. I did state if he was a free agent, it would definitely be worth talking to him.

On BenJarvus Green-Ellis, not sure where you got your numbers from, but I can assure you he didn't make $12.5 million in 2011. In fact, here is his contract history :
Rookie contract : 3 years/$1,150,000
2008 : $295,000
2009 : $385,000
2010 : $470,000
2011 : $1,835,000 (restricted tender offer)
And considering I would view Green-Ellis as Thomas Jones' replacement, offering him a decent contract at or slightly above what Jones made while playing for us wouldn't be out of line...especially considering the signing bonus could be spread out.[/font]
Thomas Jones
2 year contract : 2 years/$5,000,000
2010 : $3,000,000
2011 : $1,900,000 ($1,100,000 bonus)
And here is the contract history for Anthony Collins...who made less than you indicated
Anthony Collins
Rookie contract : 4 years/$2,175,000 ($470,000 signing bonus)
2008 : $412,625
2009 : $502,625
2010 : $487,625
2011 : $672,625

(here is where I got the salary info, but rotoworld also provides solid salary info : Spotrac.com :: The Spot for Sports Contracts :: Homepage (http://www.spotrac.com/))

nicfre2011
02-12-2012, 09:01 PM
Also, I was digging around for franchise tag tender amounts and found the transition tag tender which I had completely forgotten about. Basically, the franchise tender amount takes the top 5 salaries of the position or 120% of the players previous year salary....with compensation being two first round picks if a franchised player signs with another team. As I understand it, there is an "exclusive rights franchise tender" that gives the current team the right to match the offer should they choose to do so (if not they get the two first rounders). The other option is the "non-exclusive franchise tender" that gives the current team the two first round picks and no right to match any offer.

Now, the interesting thing is the transition tag, which is very similar to the franchise tender although it takes in the top 10 salaries at the position and only allows the current team to match any offer and receive no compensation if they do not match the offer.

So, worst case scenario, the Chiefs could apply the franchise and transition tag to Bowe and Carr. I know most of us have been thinking about franchising one player and accepting the possibility of losing the other, but this could give us a safety net should we not be able to get both signed long term right now.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Under the Cap: 2012 Offense Tag Projections (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-cap/2012/under-cap-2012-tag-projections)

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Under the Cap: 2012 Defense Tag Projections (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-cap/2012/under-cap-2012-tag-projections-2)

TopekaRoy
02-12-2012, 09:17 PM
That being said, you can't expect to count Soliai's franchise tender of last year as what the Chiefs will have to pay in 2012 if they sign him long term. Keep in mind, the signing bonus can be spread over the lifetime of the contract (not sure the max number of years you can spread the signing bonus out, I was thinking 5...not sure if that changed)...plus you can offer more guaranteed money that could make the difference in the player accepting your offer or a competing offer.

On Chris Myers, I don't expect him to hit the free agent market as I would definitely figure the Texans will re-sign Myers long term. I did state if he was a free agent, it would definitely be worth talking to him.

On BenJarvus Green-Ellis, not sure where you got your numbers from, but I can assure you he didn't make $12.5 million in 2011. In fact, here is his contract history :
Rookie contract : 3 years/$1,150,000
2008 : $295,000
2009 : $385,000
2010 : $470,000
2011 : $1,835,000 (restricted tender offer)
And considering I would view Green-Ellis as Thomas Jones' replacement, offering him a decent contract at or slightly above what Jones made while playing for us wouldn't be out of line...especially considering the signing bonus could be spread out.[/font]
Thomas Jones
2 year contract : 2 years/$5,000,000
2010 : $3,000,000
2011 : $1,900,000 ($1,100,000 bonus)
And here is the contract history for Anthony Collins...who made less than you indicated
Anthony Collins
Rookie contract : 4 years/$2,175,000 ($470,000 signing bonus)
2008 : $412,625
2009 : $502,625
2010 : $487,625
2011 : $672,625

(here is where I got the salary info, but rotoworld also provides solid salary info : Spotrac.com :: The Spot for Sports Contracts :: Homepage (http://www.spotrac.com/))

I'm not sure where I got that number for BenJarvis, either. I just tried to find the link again and I came up with $1.835 million, as you said (Spotrac (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/benjarvus-green-ellis/)). I must have clicked on the wrong tab and listed Soliai's pay twice. I understand that signing bonuses are prorated. With Soliai's salary I was including the prorated portion of his salary which is what counts against the cap.

With Collins, I had the same number you did. I just rounded up because it was closer 0.75 million that 0.5 million and I assume he will get a raise next year going to the highest bidder.

But you are right that I didn't subtract the salaries of the players those guys would be replacing. That would lower the cost, of course. I'm just saying that with 22 FAs to sign or replace, we are going to need every bit of that cap space, if we don't want to take a step backward as a team. We will probably have to lose some decent players. It will be an interesting offseason, no doubt.