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nicfre2011
02-13-2012, 10:19 PM
I know quite a few Chiefs fans have images of quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and RGIII dancing in their heads, and while most fans would agree that Matt Cassel isn't the present or long term answer, I just don't see Scott Pioli making a big splash by bringing in a big name in free agency or drafting a quarterback in the early rounds.

A player that I have honestly forgotten about is David Garrard. Now, before I hear a collective sigh from you guys, let me explain why I mention him.

I hate to say it, but I believe that Scott Pioli is still determined to support Matt Cassel as much as possible and I think with keeping Jim Zorn as quarterback coach and bringing in Brian Daboll who like Cassel is from the Patriot family tree and more than likely will have a system Matt is somewhat familiar with, Pioli has shown he is willing to stick with Cassel.

Now, Crennel and Pioli have stated they want to see a competition at quarterback, but I don't see the team bringing in a Manning or drafting a RGIII.

I can see Pioli being interested in bringing in someone like David Garrard. Garrard isn't going to likely command much of a contract and at the age of 34 also likely isn't going to be looking for a starting role promised out of the gate. I would think if the Chiefs showed interest, the opportunity to come to Kansas City and compete with Cassel would be attractive.

Also, Garrard brings experience that could also be viewed as a positive for both Cassel and Ricky Stanzi. Plus, and possibly most importantly, I think Pioli would view Garrard as that veteran presence that would push Cassel, but not really be a threat to push him to the bench. I am definitely not saying I agree with this idea, but I could see it being a definite consideration by Pioli.

I definitely don't think there will be alot of interest in Garrard outside of being a veteran backup, and I think he would bring just enough to the table that should Cassel struggle out of the gate, we wouldn't have another Palko situation...while providing the team with a veteran #2 to let Stanzi continue to gain experience.

http://jacksonvillejagwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/david_garrard1.jpg

jason1981
02-14-2012, 01:04 AM
he sucks.

TopekaRoy
02-14-2012, 01:24 AM
There was a lot of discussion about bringing him in as a back-up at the beginning of the season, when the Jaguars cut him. (See http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17960&highlight=David+Garrard)

I don't hate the idea. He would be a "cost effective" signing for the Chiefs. He has experience as a starter and with our style of offense (and our defense), we don't need a superstar at the QB position to be effective.

I think you are right, Nick, when you talk about competition at the QB position. (Hey, that rhymes!) The Chiefs aren't looking for an upgrade or a replacement for Cassel; just someone who is about as effective as he is. I think Garrard would be a good fit as a back-up. I could also see them going after Quinn who is much younger, but lacks the playing experience that Garrard has.

Take a look at the Bears. They brought in Josh McCown who was out of the NFL and coaching a high school team after Caleb Hanie struggled and he did a pretty good job for them. So the fact that nobody picked up Garrard last season, doesn't mean he wouldn't be decent QB. (Hey, what about taking a look at McCown, if the Bears don't resign him?)

I think what it will come down to for the Chiefs is this. Do they want an older veteran Qb who will be around for a couple of years as a back-up, while they continue to develop Stanzi (or a future draft pick) to be Cassel's eventual replacement? Or do they want a younger back-up who could eventually develop into becoming the starter, himself, sometime down the road? If they go with the former, then Garrard is a real possibility.

There aren't a lot of great options at the position in free agency this year, and the Chiefs have too many bigger pressing needs to go after a Qb early in the draft, so signing Garrard does make some sense.

OPLookn
02-14-2012, 11:53 AM
he sucks.

Very eloquent. Have you looked into broadcasting opportunities? We could call you Grudden Jr?

:lol:

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Not trying to be mean it was just that you offered no reasoning behind why you think that or what you'd do differently. We're not looking to make him a starting QB and you don't need starting talent in a #2 QB just someone that can manage the game if needed.

I don't think it'd be a bad pickup as I'm sure he still has a trick or two in his pocket and can teach Stanzi a few things.

:bananen_smilies046:

AkChief49
02-14-2012, 02:31 PM
There was a lot of discussion about bringing him in as a back-up at the beginning of the season, when the Jaguars cut him. (See David Garrard cut - Kansas City Chiefs Forums (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17960&highlight=David+Garrard))

I don't hate the idea. He would be a "cost effective" signing for the Chiefs. He has experience as a starter and with our style of offense (and our defense), we don't need a superstar at the QB position to be effective.

I think you are right, Nick, when you talk about competition at the QB position. (Hey, that rhymes!) The Chiefs aren't looking for an upgrade or a replacement for Cassel; just someone who is about as effective as he is. I think Garrard would be a good fit as a back-up. I could also see them going after Quinn who is much younger, but lacks the playing experience that Garrard has.

Take a look at the Bears. They brought in Josh McCown who was out of the NFL and coaching a high school team after Caleb Hanie struggled and he did a pretty good job for them. So the fact that nobody picked up Garrard last season, doesn't mean he wouldn't be decent QB. (Hey, what about taking a look at McCown, if the Bears don't resign him?)

I think what it will come down to for the Chiefs is this. Do they want an older veteran Qb who will be around for a couple of years as a back-up, while they continue to develop Stanzi (or a future draft pick) to be Cassel's eventual replacement? Or do they want a younger back-up who could eventually develop into becoming the starter, himself, sometime down the road? If they go with the former, then Garrard is a real possibility.

There aren't a lot of great options at the position in free agency this year, and the Chiefs have too many bigger pressing needs to go after a Qb early in the draft, so signing Garrard does make some sense.
He had surgery @ the beginning of the season. Had lost feeling in his leg- so no, I'll pass on Garrard and would rather sign Campbell.(would rather Stanzi was all of a sudden the second coming of Brady :D)
David Garrard to have surgery, not option for Oakland Raiders after Jason Campbell injury - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7114405/david-garrard-surgery-not-option-oakland-raiders-jason-campbell-injury)

trck7766
02-14-2012, 04:30 PM
I think Cassel does need someone to push him at QB. Campbell is a better fill for me. He can scramble if needed, and was playing pretty good before getting hurt. And could give us some info on a confrence opponent. And if the price is right, get him! I don't like Cassel's mental strength, when he gets hit a few times, he tends to get afraid and don't play well.

okikcfan
02-14-2012, 04:34 PM
I suggested Cambell or Quinn early on. We have to have some sort of a reliable back up. We can not be put in the same spot we were in last year....

jason1981
02-14-2012, 06:34 PM
lol i didnt care to give a reason why i said he he sucks cuz i just dont care for him at all. id go for cambell or quinn.

azchiefsfan
02-14-2012, 07:02 PM
I certainly don't think "most" Chiefs fans think Cassel isn't the present or future answer. If people want to throw around their opinions and ideas, I'm all for it. I am, however, sick to death of a few people trying to speak for all of us. And I think very unfavorably of the opinion that Garrard, Campbell or any other of the current crop of rejects are, or have the potential to be, better than Cassel. You want to talk about drafting, let's do it. But to say any of these guys mentioned are even close to as good as (2x Pro Bowler)Cassel shows a lack of basic football knowledge. Just my opinion-I attach no other significance to it and I AM NOT going to try to speak for other Chiefs fans.:whipping1:

TopekaRoy
02-14-2012, 07:33 PM
He had surgery @ the beginning of the season. Had lost feeling in his leg- so no, I'll pass on Garrard and would rather sign Campbell.(would rather Stanzi was all of a sudden the second coming of Brady :D)
David Garrard to have surgery, not option for Oakland Raiders after Jason Campbell injury - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7114405/david-garrard-surgery-not-option-oakland-raiders-jason-campbell-injury)

I wasn't aware that he had had surgery for a herniated disc. (Not sure how I missed that!) I couldn't find anything on Google about how his rehab is going either. I did find out that he also has had hand surgery in the past and has Crohn's disease.

I'm no longer in favor of the Chiefs picking him up.

okikcfan
02-14-2012, 07:54 PM
I certainly don't think "most" Chiefs fans think Cassel isn't the present or future answer. If people want to throw around their opinions and ideas, I'm all for it. I am, however, sick to death of a few people trying to speak for all of us. And I think very unfavorably of the opinion that Garrard, Campbell or any other of the current crop of rejects are, or have the potential to be, better than Cassel. You want to talk about drafting, let's do it. But to say any of these guys mentioned are even close to as good as (2x Pro Bowler)Cassel shows a lack of basic football knowledge. Just my opinion-I attach no other significance to it and I AM NOT going to try to speak for other Chiefs fans.:whipping1:

We are talking about QB's to Back Up Cassel :lol: :beat_DeadHorse:

azchiefsfan
02-14-2012, 07:57 PM
Not the OP.

"I know quite a few Chiefs fans have images of quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and RGIII dancing in their heads, and while most fans would agree that Matt Cassel isn't the present or long term answer, I just don't see Scott Pioli making a big splash by bringing in a big name in free agency or drafting a quarterback in the early rounds."

First paragraph.

okikcfan
02-14-2012, 08:11 PM
Not the OP.

"I know quite a few Chiefs fans have images of quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and RGIII dancing in their heads, and while most fans would agree that Matt Cassel isn't the present or long term answer, I just don't see Scott Pioli making a big splash by bringing in a big name in free agency or drafting a quarterback in the early rounds."

First paragraph.

:lol: in that case... I have to agree with you on this one

nicfre2011
02-14-2012, 08:44 PM
Not the OP.

"I know quite a few Chiefs fans have images of quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and RGIII dancing in their heads, and while most fans would agree that Matt Cassel isn't the present or long term answer, I just don't see Scott Pioli making a big splash by bringing in a big name in free agency or drafting a quarterback in the early rounds."

First paragraph.

Dude you need to lighten up. For some reason you seem to take this personal pal. I am not saying Garrard is Cassel's replacement. I am actually talking about the fact that the GM and Head coach talked about bringing in competition at the position. Point one. And I am not speaking for all Chiefs fans, but after Orton came in an played exponentially bettr than the incumbent starter who is much more familiar with the offense, I think that got quite a few fans thinking about the quarterback position and I do think most fans are not exactly comfortable with the idea of Cassel as the de facto starter for the next couple of years. And I am not saying that I am necessarily on the Garrard bandwagon, but this whole topic is about what I personally think could possibly be Pioli's thinking about competition and what I think quite a few fans could think as competition. Again, sorry I offended you.

jason1981
02-14-2012, 09:33 PM
gerrald is a third stringer her sucks he had one good year.id rather stanzi start then gerald so make stanzi 2nd string. i doubt they bring in a legitment qb to compete with cassel. i think they will bring someone in to just make it look like it just to satisfy everyone. the only free agent qb that is worth anything that csn push cassel is orton. i dont think we will persue manning and id rather pass on him. also matt flynn is going to a place where he will be guaranteed to start like miami. so if there serious about competition the will resign orton. gerold is not the answer as a back up.

TopekaRoy
02-15-2012, 02:25 AM
We are talking about QB's to Back Up Cassel :lol: :beat_DeadHorse:

You are correct, sir.


Not the OP.

"I know quite a few Chiefs fans have images of quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and RGIII dancing in their heads, and while most fans would agree that Matt Cassel isn't the present or long term answer, I just don't see Scott Pioli making a big splash by bringing in a big name in free agency or drafting a quarterback in the early rounds."

First paragraph.

Azchiefsfan, you need to seriously work on your reading comprehensin skills. Did you not read the part where Nick said:


I hate to say it, but I believe that Scott Pioli is still determined to support Matt Cassel as much as possible and I think with keeping Jim Zorn as quarterback coach and bringing in Brian Daboll who like Cassel is from the Patriot family tree and more than likely will have a system Matt is somewhat familiar with, Pioli has shown he is willing to stick with Cassel.

... or the part where he said:


Garrard isn't going to likely command much of a contract and at the age of 34 also likely isn't going to be looking for a starting role promised out of the gate.

... or the part where he said:


Also, Garrard brings experience that could also be viewed as a positive for both Cassel and Ricky Stanzi. Plus, and possibly most importantly, I think Pioli would view Garrard as that veteran presence that would push Cassel, but not really be a threat to push him to the bench.

... or the part where he said:


while providing the team with a veteran #2 to let Stanzi continue to gain experience.

How could you possibly get that Nick is talking about bringing in Garrard to replace Cassel as a starter from that?


gerrald is a third stringer her sucks he had one good year.id rather stanzi start then gerald so make stanzi 2nd string. i doubt they bring in a legitment qb to compete with cassel. i think they will bring someone in to just make it look like it just to satisfy everyone. the only free agent qb that is worth anything that csn push cassel is orton. i dont think we will persue manning and id rather pass on him. also matt flynn is going to a place where he will be guaranteed to start like miami. so if there serious about competition the will resign orton. gerold is not the answer as a back up.

I'm not sure who this "Gerald" chick is. We were talking about David Garrard. Also, when you start a sentence you can push the "shift" key to create a capital letter. That key should also be used to capitalize proper names like "Cassel," "Orton," and "Gerald," or "Gerold," (whoever that is).

It also makes your posts much easier to read when you end a sentence with a period. And I have no idea what the words "id," "csn," or "legitment" mean. Don't they teach you this stuff in school?

dbolan
02-15-2012, 08:49 AM
I certainly don't think "most" Chiefs fans think Cassel isn't the present or future answer. If people want to throw around their opinions and ideas, I'm all for it. I am, however, sick to death of a few people trying to speak for all of us. And I think very unfavorably of the opinion that Garrard, Campbell or any other of the current crop of rejects are, or have the potential to be, better than Cassel. You want to talk about drafting, let's do it. But to say any of these guys mentioned are even close to as good as (2x Pro Bowler)Cassel shows a lack of basic football knowledge. Just my opinion-I attach no other significance to it and I AM NOT going to try to speak for other Chiefs fans.:whipping1:

To say it in that context is not just an opinion but also an insult to anyone that may think that the aforementioned ARE better than Cassel.

If you think others should not speak for ALL fans, then what gives you the right to speak for anyone other than yourself (us)?

:sign0153:

OPLookn
02-15-2012, 11:32 AM
Not the OP.

"I know quite a few Chiefs fans have images of quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and RGIII dancing in their heads, and while most fans would agree that Matt Cassel isn't the present or long term answer, I just don't see Scott Pioli making a big splash by bringing in a big name in free agency or drafting a quarterback in the early rounds."

First paragraph.

If you're referring to me unless you've gone back and dug up a thread post I have not said that in this thread. Would I agree with initial statement yes, I'm sure we could find one to many other people that would agree with it too. Is most to strong of a word maybe, but many wouldn't be. No one is trying to speak for everyone, so don't get your feathers ruffled.

Jrudi
02-16-2012, 12:10 PM
30 FAs in 30 Days: David Garrard (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/30-FAs-in-30-Days-David-Garrard/410640fc-9939-46f9-a909-943c9961ce94)



posted on kcchief.com

okikcfan
02-16-2012, 04:19 PM
Not the OP.

"I know quite a few Chiefs fans have images of quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and RGIII dancing in their heads, and while most fans would agree that Matt Cassel isn't the present or long term answer, I just don't see Scott Pioli making a big splash by bringing in a big name in free agency or drafting a quarterback in the early rounds."

First paragraph.

I have to ask what you would consider big names? Cambell? Quinn? I mean really there are not a lot out there, orton, Flynn and so on, just wondering

chief31
02-16-2012, 11:09 PM
Aside from Manning, the only names I have much interest in are Orton and Kolb, with a wide gap between Orton (#1) and Kolb.

Chiefster
02-16-2012, 11:27 PM
Aside from Manning, the only names I have much interest in are Orton and Kolb, with a wide gap between Orton (#1) and Kolb.

...This.

2010chiefs
02-17-2012, 12:52 AM
You are correct, sir.



Azchiefsfan, you need to seriously work on your reading comprehensin skills. Did you not read the part where Nick said:



... or the part where he said:



... or the part where he said:



... or the part where he said:



How could you possibly get that Nick is talking about bringing in Garrard to replace Cassel as a starter from that?



I'm not sure who this "Gerald" chick is. We were talking about David Garrard. Also, when you start a sentence you can push the "shift" key to create a capital letter. That key should also be used to capitalize proper names like "Cassel," "Orton," and "Gerald," or "Gerold," (whoever that is).

It also makes your posts much easier to read when you end a sentence with a period. And I have no idea what the words "id," "csn," or "legitment" mean. Don't they teach you this stuff in school?

Do you feel better about yourself for putting someone else down. Pretty disrespectful if you ask me. If you sir don't understand what he said then don't reply to it. I understood and agree with his statement.

TopekaRoy
02-17-2012, 02:47 AM
Do you feel better about yourself for putting someone else down. Pretty disrespectful if you ask me. If you sir don't understand what he said then don't reply to it. I understood and agree with his statement.

No, actually I feel really bad about it and would like to take this opportunity to apologize for that post. I had had a few drinks that night and just went off, but that is no excuse for my rude behavior.

Everybody makes typographical errors from time to time (including me) and I don't feel a need to point them out. One of my pet peeves is when people don't use any capitalization or punctuation. It just irritates me (irrationally so), but that is my problem, not the original poster's.

I felt bad about it shortly after I posted it, but unfortunately this forum (unlike many others that I post on) doesn't allow you to edit or delete posts more than 10 minutes after you post them. I don't understand the reason for that.

Nobody commented on my rude and inappropriate post for three days and I was hoping it would just get buried and forgotten. But now that you have brought it back up to the top of the page, I need to do the right thing and apologize.

So, again, I'm sorry. My actions were inexcusable and I will try to use better judgment in the future.

Chiefster
02-17-2012, 08:15 AM
Do you feel better about yourself for putting someone else down. Pretty disrespectful if you ask me. If you sir don't understand what he said then don't reply to it. I understood and agree with his statement.


No, actually I feel really bad about it and would like to take this opportunity to apologize for that post. I had had a few drinks that night and just went off, but that is no excuse for my rude behavior.

Everybody makes typographical errors from time to time (including me) and I don't feel a need to point them out. One of my pet peeves is when people don't use any capitalization or punctuation. It just irritates me (irrationally so), but that is my problem, not the original poster's.

I felt bad about it shortly after I posted it, but unfortunately this forum (unlike many others that I post on) doesn't allow you to edit or delete posts more than 10 minutes after you post them. I don't understand the reason for that.

Nobody commented on my rude and inappropriate post for three days and I was hoping it would just get buried and forgotten. But now that you have brought it back up to the top of the page, I need to do the right thing and apologize.

So, again, I'm sorry. My actions were inexcusable and I will try to use better judgment in the future.

Taking the high road here is commendable and appreciated.

AkChief49
02-17-2012, 08:53 AM
I certainly don't think "most" Chiefs fans think Cassel isn't the present or future answer. If people want to throw around their opinions and ideas, I'm all for it. I am, however, sick to death of a few people trying to speak for all of us. And I think very unfavorably of the opinion that Garrard, Campbell or any other of the current crop of rejects are, or have the potential to be, better than Cassel. You want to talk about drafting, let's do it. But to say any of these guys mentioned are even close to as good as (2x Pro Bowler)Cassel shows a lack of basic football knowledge. Just my opinion-I attach no other significance to it and I AM NOT going to try to speak for other Chiefs fans.:whipping1:
I'm just asking, what other Pro Bowl besides 2011 did Cassel go to? I cannot find it.

Chiefster
02-17-2012, 09:01 AM
I'm just asking, what other Pro Bowl besides 2011 did Cassel go to? I cannot find it.

Pretty sure that was the first he didn't buy a ticket to attend.

chief31
02-17-2012, 10:02 PM
No, actually I feel really bad about it and would like to take this opportunity to apologize for that post. I had had a few drinks that night and just went off, but that is no excuse for my rude behavior.

Everybody makes typographical errors from time to time (including me) and I don't feel a need to point them out. One of my pet peeves is when people don't use any capitalization or punctuation. It just irritates me (irrationally so), but that is my problem, not the original poster's.

I felt bad about it shortly after I posted it, but unfortunately this forum (unlike many others that I post on) doesn't allow you to edit or delete posts more than 10 minutes after you post them. I don't understand the reason for that.

Nobody commented on my rude and inappropriate post for three days and I was hoping it would just get buried and forgotten. But now that you have brought it back up to the top of the page, I need to do the right thing and apologize.

So, again, I'm sorry. My actions were inexcusable and I will try to use better judgment in the future.

You are an exceptional member of this board. Rep.

2010chiefs
02-17-2012, 10:11 PM
No, actually I feel really bad about it and would like to take this opportunity to apologize for that post. I had had a few drinks that night and just went off, but that is no excuse for my rude behavior.

Everybody makes typographical errors from time to time (including me) and I don't feel a need to point them out. One of my pet peeves is when people don't use any capitalization or punctuation. It just irritates me (irrationally so), but that is my problem, not the original poster's.

I felt bad about it shortly after I posted it, but unfortunately this forum (unlike many others that I post on) doesn't allow you to edit or delete posts more than 10 minutes after you post them. I don't understand the reason for that.

Nobody commented on my rude and inappropriate post for three days and I was hoping it would just get buried and forgotten. But now that you have brought it back up to the top of the page, I need to do the right thing and apologize.

So, again, I'm sorry. My actions were inexcusable and I will try to use better judgment in the future.


Way to man up man. Much respect! We're all Chiefs fans here first and foremost. We're on the same team.

:punk:

dbolan
02-20-2012, 08:56 AM
I thought the post was ok. lol

KristofLaw
02-29-2012, 12:20 PM
Depending on our other off-season movements I would be interested in one of a few qb's possibly coming in to backup Cassel. David Garrard would be one of them. But then again, I still haven't given up on David Carr or Vince Young. :D Who knows if given the right circumstances which players could develop into that guy late in their careers to go on to success, right?! :D

Oh yeah, I also am not interested in losing Orton but we'll have to see what's the haps in the near future. I'm not sold on Stanzi as others are just yet. His name doesn't sound very all-star'ish to me.

josh1971
02-29-2012, 09:56 PM
Oh yeah, I also am not interested in losing Orton but we'll have to see what's the haps in the near future. I'm not sold on Stanzi as others are just yet. His name doesn't sound very all-star'ish to me.

REALLY? Nobody seems sold on Stanzi. Otherwise, you wouldn't be getting bombarded constantly with the threads about which QB we should draft/acquire.

And his name isn't all-star'ish? That has so little to do with his talent, it's mind-boggling.

KristofLaw
02-29-2012, 10:13 PM
REALLY? Nobody seems sold on Stanzi. Otherwise, you wouldn't be getting bombarded constantly with the threads about which QB we should draft/acquire.

And his name isn't all-star'ish? That has so little to do with his talent, it's mind-boggling.

Maybe he'll prove me wrong. I know it's kinda dumb, but it really doesn't, but that's just me being me. :D

Oh, and I agree with you in the case of ChiefsCrowd, but on various other internet locations he is the deal.

dbolan
03-01-2012, 09:57 AM
If Stanzi was THAT good, he should be pushing Cassell for the start....But that ain't happening. So, at this time, we basically have 2 second string caliber QB's and the funny thing is, Stanzi actually played in college! LMAO So he is a back-up to a high school'er!! ROFLMAO

okikcfan
03-01-2012, 05:57 PM
You so funny...but it's so true!

nigeriannightmare
03-02-2012, 06:20 PM
If Stanzi was THAT good, he should be pushing Cassell for the start....But that ain't happening. So, at this time, we basically have 2 second string caliber QB's and the funny thing is, Stanzi actually played in college! LMAO So he is a back-up to a high school'er!! ROFLMAO

St joe is a place of familiarity for me and most spectatots seemed to think stanzi looked the best i liked what i saw in the pre season. Theres an old saying dont put the cart before the horse. I bet we r 2 yrs away from seeing stanzi on the field.

okikcfan
03-03-2012, 07:35 PM
St joe is a place of familiarity for me and most spectatots seemed to think stanzi looked the best i liked what i saw in the pre season. Theres an old saying dont put the cart before the horse. I bet we r 2 yrs away from seeing stanzi on the field.

I think that all depends on who we bring in to "Compete" with Cassel.