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toyotapower
03-05-2012, 04:50 PM
We tagged Dwayne Bowe, looks like Carr will walk. What does everyone think?

toyotapower
03-05-2012, 04:52 PM
Link:
CHIEFS PLACE FRANCHISE TAG ON WR DWAYNE BOWE (http://m.kcchiefs.com/s/showPage.do?siteId=73695&pageId=6865357&itemPos=1&itemUri=e460d3ca3f27b39b40cc38083bee2b80%2F9013121 41455131011595821105)

whackojacko58
03-05-2012, 05:04 PM
yay d bowe deserves it, now work out a long term deal. sad at the same time means carrs gone, so mixed fealings i was hoping we could work out a four year deal then franchise carr but things play out the way they do

matthewschiefs
03-05-2012, 05:11 PM
Carr is most likely gone That's a loss but I don't think it's a loss that we can't recover from. Bowe would have been that. Just hope that in the next year we can get Bowe locked up

Canada
03-05-2012, 05:16 PM
Is he restricted or unrestricted? If hes unrestricted perhaps its part of a bigger RG3 move? Two first rounders is what it would take. STL wants a WR for Bradford. Maybe switch picks and Bowe? Sign Carr long term?? Im just bored so im throwing ideas out there. Nothing to do til the draft now!!

Canada
03-05-2012, 05:19 PM
Except for FA. lol

jason1981
03-05-2012, 05:33 PM
disappointed that we didnt sign either bow or carr so we could tag the other. fault the management cuz they knew this was there last yesr and its their fault for not trying to extend either of the players before this season.

Canada
03-05-2012, 05:35 PM
disappointed that we didnt sign either bow or carr so we could tag the other. fault the management cuz they knew this was there last yesr and its their fault for not trying to extend either of the players before this season.
How do you know its management? Maybe its the player/agent. theres two sides to a deal. Who knows how long they have been trying to come up with a deal. I think the fact that they waited until the last minute to tag Bowe shows that they were doing everything they could do reach a deal before using the tag.

jap1
03-05-2012, 05:39 PM
disappointed that we didnt sign either bow or carr so we could tag the other. fault the management cuz they knew this was there last yesr and its their fault for not trying to extend either of the players before this season.

I thought I read somewhere that they have been working on a deal with Bowe since during the season.

OPLookn
03-05-2012, 05:47 PM
The other thing is that we've got til the 13th to sign Carr. Don't think that'll happen but one never knows. We'll get something for Carr leaving. Probably a 3rd rounder? I think that's what the Raiders got for Asomugha leaving. I'm not sure if we get that pick this year or next year though.

Any way you cut it we've got a lot of free agents coming up that are going to need some big contracts here pretty soon.

Bowe, Carr (doubt he's staying but hey), Dorsey, Albert and then I'll pander to the Manning talk by adding him in. That leaves 5 guys that'll will get around 10 million a year at least with a 37 million cap. Yes we have more space this year but not next. I know that Dorsey is eating up a good chunk of our cap so maybe that'll end up saving us money.

I'm hoping we make some moves in free agency because like Canada said, it's a very long time to the draft!

TopekaRoy
03-05-2012, 06:01 PM
How do you know its management? Maybe its the player/agent. theres two sides to a deal. Who knows how long they have been trying to come up with a deal. I think the fact that they waited until the last minute to tag Bowe shows that they were doing everything they could do reach a deal before using the tag.
^^This^^

It made more sense from a business standpoint to tag Bowe instead of Carr, for 2 reasons. 1) The cost for a franchise WR is lower than the cost for a franchise CB and 2) With the signing of Routt, there is less damage to the team if we lose Carr.

I'm not fully convinced that just because we tagged Bowe then Carr is going to walk. With our cap space we have just as much chance as anyone of signing him as a FA. The Chiefs may be just waiting for him to test the market so they can match the best offer. I think it is likely that Car was not going to sign any (reasonable) offer no matter how good it was. His agent probably advised him to wait for FA and see what other teams will be willing to offer before signing a deal.

I agree that is now much less likely that we re-sign Carr, but it isn't out of the question.

This is exactly what I predicted would happen, two weeks ago, HERE:


I think the Chiefs will make every effort to resign Carr, but it's not up to them, it's up to him. Carr knows he will be a hot commodity in free agency and even if the Chiefs make him the highest offer, that doesn't mean he has to take it.

My hope is that he wants to stay in Kansas City, but I can understand why he would want to see how much money he could make on the open market. He will be among the highest paid players in FA this year and NFL careers are short. He has to strike while the iron is hot.

[Edited to add] My guess is that some team will be desperate enough to over pay Carr by a significant amount (which is probably what he is hoping for). I want to keep him, but not at any cost. I would be willing to overpay a little bit as a reward for his past services, though.

The Chiefs have made a very smart move in securing Routt, and I hope they can get Carr on board, too. But don't expect to hear anything soon.

whackojacko58
03-05-2012, 06:11 PM
id only trade bowe to stl and draft rg3 if kc feels rg3 jamall moeaki are strong enough to suppourt a possible growth of baldwin into a elite receiver.... which i doubt. after how baldwin started his career with us i've really been disapointed, he had one really good catch against san diego then i haven't seen much.

chief31
03-05-2012, 06:18 PM
Well, Carr is going to leave, and this will give Baldwin a chance to show that he can replace Bowe.

I think that is what management is seeing.

okikcfan
03-05-2012, 06:24 PM
How do you know its management? Maybe its the player/agent. theres two sides to a deal. Who knows how long they have been trying to come up with a deal. I think the fact that they waited until the last minute to tag Bowe shows that they were doing everything they could do reach a deal before using the tag.

I have to agree with Canada, they did wait till the last minute to tag him. If fact is maybe neither really wants to be here. They may feel they have a better chance at a superbowl run if they can get on with the Pats, Giants, Saints....Saints? :lol: Yea I don't see them as being to much of a contender this year :lol:

matthewschiefs
03-05-2012, 06:30 PM
How do you know its management? Maybe its the player/agent. theres two sides to a deal. Who knows how long they have been trying to come up with a deal. I think the fact that they waited until the last minute to tag Bowe shows that they were doing everything they could do reach a deal before using the tag.

Oh come on Canada don't you no that if management doesn't do what people want everything is all there fault and there just "cheap"

okikcfan
03-05-2012, 06:34 PM
Oh come on Canada don't you no that if management doesn't do what people want everything is all there fault and there just "cheap"

Cheap? Why, because they fly Southwest? :lol:

chief31
03-05-2012, 06:50 PM
Oh come on Canada don't you no that if management doesn't do what people want everything is all there fault and there just "cheap"

That is not really fair.

When it becomes a trend, such as the low salary number has, since Pioli arrived, then it absolutely makes management much more of a suspect.

But that is not to say that I have any real problems with player management since Pioli's arrival.

I am fine with being under the cap, as long as I am confident about the players we do have.

I don't think we have to spend for every possible upgrade that makes itself available.

OPLookn
03-05-2012, 06:52 PM
My second thought is that I really want free agency to get here because I want us to have a shot at getting Nicks in free agency!

SBV_Eagle_Bull
03-05-2012, 07:11 PM
Bowe has the tag.... the question is now... CARR... i would love to see him stay.. highly doubtful.... march 13 is when we'll see what happens... GO CHIEFS

okikcfan
03-05-2012, 07:30 PM
Bowe has the tag.... the question is now... CARR... i would love to see him stay.. highly doubtful.... march 13 is when we'll see what happens... GO CHIEFS

Because Bowe is tagged does not mean he will remain a Chief.....

Bike
03-05-2012, 10:05 PM
Because Bowe is tagged does not mean he will remain a Chief.....
Correct. If any other team offers Bowe more than what the top 5 earn at his position, Bowe is gone. I don't see us matching another offer - and this is what I think management is hoping for. Just a guess.

DMN
03-05-2012, 10:16 PM
Correct. If any other team offers Bowe more than what the top 5 earn at his position, Bowe is gone. I don't see us matching another offer - and this is what I think management is hoping for. Just a guess.

I could be wrong but I think you are a little confused as to the tag cost... (which before the new CBA was the top five salaries at a position averaged) ... and what we get if a team pursues a player under the franchise tag.

Any team is allowed to offer a contract to Bowe. At this point the Chiefs can match it and keep him... or let him walk and receive two first round drafts picks. So essentially for us to lose Bowe it would take a long term contract and two first round picks to acquire him....

I dont see him goin anywhere...

Bike
03-05-2012, 10:24 PM
I could be wrong but I think you are a little confused as to the tag cost... (which before the new CBA was the top five salaries at a position averaged) ... and what we get if a team pursues a player under the franchise tag.

Any team is allowed to offer a contract to Bowe. At this point the Chiefs can match it and keep him... or let him walk and receive two first round drafts picks. So essentially for us to lose Bowe it would take a long term contract and two first round picks to acquire him....

I dont see him goin anywhere...
I've been confused most of my entire adult life. Thanks for correcting me.

dbolan
03-06-2012, 08:40 AM
I could be wrong but I think you are a little confused as to the tag cost... (which before the new CBA was the top five salaries at a position averaged) ... and what we get if a team pursues a player under the franchise tag.

Any team is allowed to offer a contract to Bowe. At this point the Chiefs can match it and keep him... or let him walk and receive two first round drafts picks. So essentially for us to lose Bowe it would take a long term contract and two first round picks to acquire him....

I dont see him goin anywhere...

He is good..but not that good.

DMN
03-06-2012, 08:42 AM
I've been confused most of my entire adult life. Thanks for correcting me.

Haha... Join the club Brother.

Canada
03-06-2012, 09:42 AM
The other thing is that we've got til the 13th to sign Carr. Don't think that'll happen but one never knows. We'll get something for Carr leaving. Probably a 3rd rounder? I think that's what the Raiders got for Asomugha leaving. I'm not sure if we get that pick this year or next year though.

Any way you cut it we've got a lot of free agents coming up that are going to need some big contracts here pretty soon.

Bowe, Carr (doubt he's staying but hey), Dorsey, Albert and then I'll pander to the Manning talk by adding him in. That leaves 5 guys that'll will get around 10 million a year at least with a 37 million cap. Yes we have more space this year but not next. I know that Dorsey is eating up a good chunk of our cap so maybe that'll end up saving us money.

I'm hoping we make some moves in free agency because like Canada said, it's a very long time to the draft!
Why would we get anything for Carr if he leaves?? Hes a FA

DMN
03-06-2012, 12:51 PM
Why would we get anything for Carr if he leaves?? Hes a FA

The league would issue a compensatory pick for losing his services. I think it is designed to keep the league competition as level as possible and so that a team doesn't suffer too big of a talent dive.

When Julius Peppers left the panthers for the bears I think the panthers got a 3rd round pick for it.

Canada
03-06-2012, 06:19 PM
The league would issue a compensatory pick for losing his services. I think it is designed to keep the league competition as level as possible and so that a team doesn't suffer too big of a talent dive.

When Julius Peppers left the panthers for the bears I think the panthers got a 3rd round pick for it.Cool. I didnt know that. I thought he just walked for nothing.
:bananen_smilies046:

AkChief49
03-06-2012, 06:53 PM
The league would issue a compensatory pick for losing his services. I think it is designed to keep the league competition as level as possible and so that a team doesn't suffer too big of a talent dive.

When Julius Peppers left the panthers for the bears I think the panthers got a 3rd round pick for it.
Only if we do not sign someone of better value?

2012 NFL Draft Compensatory Picks: 49ers Likely To Receive None - Niners Nation (http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/2/7/2781669/2012-nfl-draft-compensatory-picks-49ers-likely-to-receive-none)

SBV_Eagle_Bull
03-07-2012, 01:30 AM
I could be wrong but I think you are a little confused as to the tag cost... (which before the new CBA was the top five salaries at a position averaged) ... and what we get if a team pursues a player under the franchise tag.

Any team is allowed to offer a contract to Bowe. At this point the Chiefs can match it and keep him... or let him walk and receive two first round drafts picks. So essentially for us to lose Bowe it would take a long term contract and two first round picks to acquire him....

I dont see him goin anywhere...
:chiefs: exactly

Drunker Hillbilly
03-07-2012, 09:55 AM
A team has to sign a player with a higher value for a compensatory pick to be given.

Drunker Hillbilly
03-07-2012, 09:56 AM
Sorry.......didn't read AKChiefs post before I posted....

azchiefsfan
03-07-2012, 11:46 AM
In my opinion, and that plus Pioli's history is all I have to go on, look for Bowe to be gone and KC to pick up 2-1st round draft picks by draft day if Bowe hasn't inked a long-term deal by then.

OPLookn
03-07-2012, 11:51 AM
In my opinion, and that plus Pioli's history is all I have to go on, look for Bowe to be gone and KC to pick up 2-1st round draft picks by draft day if Bowe hasn't inked a long-term deal by then.

I haven't heard any rumblings about a team willing to spend that. What team or teams do you see giving up two 1st's for Bowe?

azchiefsfan
03-07-2012, 11:58 AM
NFL.com news: Chiefs beat deadline to apply franchise tag to WR Bowe (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82764f1d/article/chiefs-beat-deadline-to-apply-franchise-tag-to-wr-bowe)

No one's offering, but that's what it'd take to get him and Pioli has a history of franchising his unsigned stars for draft picks. I think there is something flying under the radar. It's just a hunch and an opinion, but I won't be shocked if he is let go.

jap1
03-07-2012, 10:40 PM
In my opinion, and that plus Pioli's history is all I have to go on, look for Bowe to be gone and KC to pick up 2-1st round draft picks by draft day if Bowe hasn't inked a long-term deal by then.

It wouldn't surprise me, but Pioli's reputation with us is to come to a deal. The only example of that of course is Hali. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Glenn Dorsey get traded for a late 1st round pick. Next year he would be up for a new contract, and his skills and abilities would probably translate to being worth more than a 3-4DE is really worth.

BTW, I would rather see us sign him to a reasonable extension this offseason, but I couldn't blame Pioli for getting draft picks.

jason1981
03-07-2012, 11:09 PM
i dont see bowe going anywhere. with a good draft and a few pick ups and a good offense system we can be a good team.