Official Live Draft Discussion Thread

[TopekaRoy]

I thought rather than starting a new thread every time a team trades up or down, or makes a surprising pick, we could have all the draft discussion in one thread.

The Browns traded up to 3 to get Trent Richardson. What did the Vikings get in return?

[jap1]

I thought rather than starting a new thread every time a team trades up or down, or makes a surprising pick, we could have all the draft discussion in one thread.

The Browns traded up to 3 to get Trent Richardson. What did the Vikings get in return?

They got Cleveland's 4th 5th and 7th round picks.

[TopekaRoy]

They got Cleveland's 4th 5th and 7th round picks.

Wow. That's a lot to give up to move up just a couple of spots. The Browns needed those picks.

The Vikings just took Kalil, so he's off the board.

[matthewschiefs]

Wow. That's a lot to give up to move up just a couple of spots. The Browns needed those picks.

The Vikings just took Kalil, so he's off the board.

I agree. The Browns need a lot of help giving up all those picks to fill 1 isn't going to do them all that much.

[jap1]

This 1st round is going quickly. Nothing is yet coming down to the wire for picks. It usually takes awhile for them to make the selection. The only thing keeping it slow right now is the fanfare. If it wasnt for the fanfare of all the pics and interviews before they announce the next selection, we would be at like 10 or 12 by now!

[TopekaRoy]

Cowboys just swapped 1st and 2nd pick with Jaguars to move up to 5! So we won't be trading down with them either!

[jap1]

Cowboys just swapped 1st and 2nd pick with Jaguars to move up to 5! So we won't be trading down with them either!

Traded with the Rams actually.

[TopekaRoy]

Cowboys just swapped 1st and 2nd pick with Jaguars to move up to 5! So we won't be trading down with them either!

My mistake. They traded with Rams. Jaguars took WR Blacmon.

Cowboys take DB Claiborne at 6.

[jap1]

Claiborne and Carr are probably going to give RG3 some fits.

[nigeriannightmare]

Traded with the Rams actually.

So the rams traded down again and picked up a second rounder too. .

[matthewschiefs]

Every time i here how much Dallas paid for Carr the less sad I am that he is gone. He's good not that good.

[jap1]

Mark Barron went to Tampa Bay, so we arent getting him and no one is trading up with us for him.

[TopekaRoy]

Jaguars just took Mark Barron. That was another one on our list. DeCastro and Kuechly are still on the board though.

[TopekaRoy]

Mark Barron went to Tampa Bay, so we arent getting him and no one is trading up with us for him.

I'm good with that. 11 is too high for us to take a safety, I think.

[TopekaRoy]

Do you think the 'Phins take Tannehill?

[jap1]

Tannehills gone. Glad we wont be tempted by him.

[TopekaRoy]

I called that one right! That was an easy one to guess.

[TopekaRoy]

Tannehills gone. Glad we wont be tempted by him.

Yeah, he might be a good QB. Who knows? I didn't want to use our first pick on a QB either. So far it's looking good for the Chiefs.

They won't trade up. Do you think they will trade down?

[CHIEFS_FN_ROCK]

Man im glad we didnt get tannehill

[jap1]

Yeah, he might be a good QB. Who knows? I didn't want to use our first pick on a QB either. So far it's looking good for the Chiefs.

They won't trade up. Do you think they will trade down?

I would love for us to trade down. At this point, though, I dont see anyone others would try to jump up and get.

[TopekaRoy]

Panthers just took Luke Kuechly. I didn't think he would go that high. Looks like we will take DeCastro now.

[jap1]

Were on the clock (waiting to hear what the Bills did).

[CHIEFS_FN_ROCK]

Getting slim now kueckly was who i wanted us to get

[matthewschiefs]

On The Clock Here We Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OPLookn]

I think we'll trade out of the pick now more

[jap1]

I hope NE wants to trade up to get Ingram or Cox.

[TopekaRoy]

Bills take DB Gilmore. DeCastro is still there!

[OPLookn]

Stephon Gilmore to the Bills....what?!? Fletcher Cox anyone?

[jap1]

Trade please!!! or Decastro.

Im guessing we were trying to trade since we are running the clock down.

[OPLookn]

Didn't trade out....did we pick Decastro?

[matthewschiefs]

The pick is in.

[OPLookn]

Please not Poe..please no Poe

[TopekaRoy]

POE! Crap!

[OPLookn]

Oh god it's Poe

[matthewschiefs]

UGGGG I don't like this pick

[jap1]

Dontari Poe? Disappointed, I hope you live/play up to your athleticism!

[matthewschiefs]

I hope we no what we are doing

[OPLookn]

Oh for cry out loud. This was ridiculous, what a completely cr@ppy pick. Just ridiculous. This guy is another Sims

[TopekaRoy]

I'm a little shocked. NT is definitely a need, but I don't think Poe is the answer. I hope Crennel can get the most out of his "raw" talent.

[Chiefs fanatic]

Poe over Decastro? Why not take the safe pick?

[Bike]

We have to get these lines built. NT very important position in the 3-4 and Poe was the best NT in the draft. A position of need and we filled it.

[TopekaRoy]

I really wanted to beef up the O-line. I guess Pioli thinks Winston will be enough. I bet we take an OT or OG in round 2.

[matthewschiefs]

Pioli has been pretty good drafting so far for us. So I hope I am wrong but I really dislike this pick. He couldn't even make 1st team in Confrance USA that should tell you something. But time will tell.

[OPLookn]

I wonder who Pioli was talking to? Pats? I still can't believe that, I genuinely hate this pick.

[Bike]

Poe over Decastro? Why not take the safe pick?
I think Crennel didn't think there were other options to fill NT position.

[TopekaRoy]

Eagles gave up a 4th and 6th to move up from 15 to 12. I would have taken that for our 11 over picking Poe!

[Miller]

I am happy with this pick. It is not the safe pick, Plus Poe is not from LSU.

[OPLookn]

We have to get these lines built. NT very important position in the 3-4 and Poe was the best "work out warrior" in the draft. A position of need and we filled it.

There, fixed that for you. The guy can't dominate in the C-USA how in the world is he going to dominate in the NFL?!?

[jap1]

I really wanted to beef up the O-line. I guess Pioli thinks Winston will be enough. I bet we take an OT or OG in round 2.

I almost guarantee that if Pioli knows what he is doing we will get one of the many OG/OT prospects in the 2nd or 3rd round. (see what I did there, if I am wrong, then it obviously means it is Pioli's fault).

[TopekaRoy]

Pioli has been pretty good drafting so far for us.

B...b...but Poe is really fast and really strong!

He just can't play football.

[jap1]

Eagles gave up a 4th and 6th to move up from 15 to 12. I would have taken that for our 11 over picking Poe!

THIS! Poe would have been there at the later spot.

[TopekaRoy]

I almost guarantee that if Pioli knows what he is doing we will get one of the many OG/OT prospects in the 2nd or 3rd round. (see what I did there, if I am wrong, then it obviously means it is Pioli's fault).

Way to CYA. I like it!

[azchiefsfan]

BAD PICK! This guy has bust written all over him. He is an over-pick in the 3rd round.

[CHIEFS_FN_ROCK]

I'm a little shocked. NT is definitely a need, but I don't think Poe is the answer. I hope Crennel can get the most out of his "raw" talent.

Thats what I'm hoping too if someone can do it its him:chiefs:

[Chiefs fanatic]

I think Crennel didn't think there were other options to fill NT position.

I understand that but we had the opportunity to take one of the best guard prospects in a while and instead we took one of the biggest risks in the draft.

[matthewschiefs]

There, fixed that for you. The guy can't dominate in the C-USA how in the world is he going to dominate in the NFL?!?

I agree I just hope that Romeo can work his magic. I will give it a chance but I am not a fan of this pick

[jap1]

Wait what? He botched the entire 2009 draft

Thats a matter of opinion, specifically yours. Some of us think he did a good job in what was a poor draft class.

[2010chiefs]

Yeah I don't like this pick either. WOW! Were we all wrong or what!

[TopekaRoy]

THIS! Poe would have been there at the later spot.

Exactly. And I still would have taken DeCastro at 15!

[Bike]

There, fixed that for you. The guy can't dominate in the C-USA how in the world is he going to dominate in the NFL?!?
Maybe Pioli is an outright idiot. Time will tell...

[matthewschiefs]

Wait what? He botched the entire 2009 draft

Mccluster,Moaki,Berry,Houston,Succop do I need to go on?

[TopekaRoy]

Poe definitely has the skills to be a great NT, but does he have the desire and work ethic? The Chiefs must think he does. I don't like the pick but let's give him a chance and see how it pans out. Pioli has done a pretty good job drafting in the past and I'm sure he did his homework on Poe.

[jb908]

Gruden seemed high on Poe in our defense... He is usually pretty educated when it comes to players

[jap1]

I wonder what it would take for us to trade back into the 1st round at like 17 to get DeCastro? Probably our 2nd this year and our 2nd next year. hmm...

[jap1]

Mccluster? What has he done?! We dont even have any room for him in the backfield when Charles is healthy.

Berry I will give you that, Houston could be nice.


Tyson jackson, matt cassel, alex magee, Baldwin the trouble maker, Hudson.


Now compare that to impact and/or for carr pro bowlers Bowe, Charles, Hali, FLowers, Carr.


Yeah not even close in comparison

Hudson is on your negative side? I guess because we sat him for a year? I have never heard any negatives on his skill set. Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it.

[OPLookn]

I wonder what it would take for us to trade back into the 1st round at like 17 to get DeCastro? Probably our 2nd this year and our 2nd next year. hmm...

That's what I was wondering. My guess is our 2nd this year and our 1st next year. Unfortunately next year's picks are valued at about 80% of this years value. Wow DeCastro is still there at 15.

[OPLookn]

Mccluster? What has he done?! We dont even have any room for him in the backfield when Charles is healthy.

Berry I will give you that, Houston could be nice.


Tyson jackson, matt cassel, alex magee, Baldwin the trouble maker, Hudson.


Now compare that to impact and/or for carr pro bowlers Bowe, Charles, Hali, FLowers, Carr.


Yeah not even close in comparison

Yeah Hudson who's been a good player totally sucks. Jackson has been doing his job and is getting better. Remember that he's following the same path as Dorsey. he'll probably be even better in 12. Cassel is average, magee well I'll give you that one and Baldwin's been a receiver for 7 or 8 games...gimme a break!

GM's never pick things 100% but with you're 20/20 hind sight you're saying that someone sucks...riiiiiight.

[TopekaRoy]

That's what I was wondering. My guess is our 2nd this year and our 1st next year. Unfortunately next year's picks are valued at about 80% of this years value. Wow DeCastro is still there at 15.

That's what I was saying earlier about trading down with the Eagles. We still could have got DeCastro!

[nigeriannightmare]

B...b...but Poe is really fast and really strong!

He just can't play football.

Had poe gone to tennessee instead of memphis he would have better coaching, better football environment, etc. He chose to stay at memphis because of family, and the memphis staff admitted to not knowing how to coach him.

[TopekaRoy]

Had poe gone to tennessee instead of memphis he would have better coaching, better football environment, etc. He chose to stay at memphis because of family, and the memphis staff admitted to not knowing how to coach him.

Good points. I'm willing to give him a chance.

I still would have rather had DeCastro, but Poe definitely fills a need.

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[OPLookn]

Had poe gone to tennessee instead of memphis he would have better coaching, better football environment, etc. He chose to stay at memphis because of family, and the memphis staff admitted to not knowing how to coach him.

So because of that we should just overlook it and say oh well we know better and coach him. There's no hint if the guy sucks or not.

Not only that but as a player wouldn't you say hey I want to go pro. As a pro it's almost 100% certain I won't be around my family so because of that I'm going to go get the best coaching. He didn't. For that reason alone I would have passed on him. He would have been there in the 2nd round!

[OPLookn]

Yes hes been absolutely brilliant which is why he has started one game.


Rodney Hudson, OG for the Kansas City Chiefs at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/player/rodneyhudson/2495171/profile)

You do realize that's games started and not games played. He's played in all 16 games. They were working him in and looked good. If you actually watched the games you would have seen that for yourself.

[matthewschiefs]

Mccluster? What has he done?! We dont even have any room for him in the backfield when Charles is healthy.

Berry I will give you that, Houston could be nice.


Tyson jackson, matt cassel, alex magee, Baldwin the trouble maker, Hudson.


Now compare that to impact and/or for carr pro bowlers Bowe, Charles, Hali, FLowers, Carr.


Yeah not even close in comparison

Ummm Mccluster was our offense last year. He will get the ball in games.

Baldwin trouble maker? So every player who gets in a fight in training camp is a horrible pick ummmm you just called a ton of players that are pretty good horrible.

What has Hudson done to be a bad pick? He did good for a very young player in the playing time that he did get.

I will give anther picks that are looking like they could be good Kendrick Lewis had a time where he was pretty good. Getting Berry back will help him.

[underdawg87]

Looks like Chargers are going to land Ingram?

[jap1]

So, if Cordy Glenn and/or Peter Konz are still there, would you move up 10-15 spots or so from our 2nd round pick to get them?

[OPLookn]

Looks like Chargers are going to land Ingram?

I have a horrible feeling that the Chargers are going to take DeCastro.

:drunkhb:

[matthewschiefs]

If he was good dont you think they would play him? Its not like our line was great this year

HE DID PLAY

EVERY GAME

Just because a guy is not starting in his first couple of years doesn't make it a bad pick

IT'S CALLED DEVELOPING TALENT

[OPLookn]

If he was good dont you think they would play him? Its not like our line was great this year

You really don't get the idea of working a guy in do you? You don't just throw a guy in and let him sink or swim. You work him from small to large. That's the way most professional jobs are.

[TopekaRoy]

I'm just waiting to see who my Bears pick now.

Maybe DeCastro? I sound like a ...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0Tv4LfapLTw/SNKLJ4s3OCI/AAAAAAAABB8/LPsGGKOcmh0/s400/broken_record.jpg

[TopekaRoy]

Im tired of arguing about prior drafts.

Then quit bringing it up! :D

:troll31:

[OPLookn]

I'm just waiting to see who my Bears pick now.

Maybe DeCastro? I sound like a ...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0Tv4LfapLTw/SNKLJ4s3OCI/AAAAAAAABB8/LPsGGKOcmh0/s400/broken_record.jpg

I want Pioli to trade back into the 1st and get DeCastro...do it I command you Pioli!!!
:lol:

[matthewschiefs]

I SAID BALDWIN WAS A TROUBLE MAKER. NOT SOMEONE YOU WANT IN YOUR LOCKER ROOM.

Based on what 1 fight? Again it's part of the NFL and teams in camp. HAPPENS in every camp every year. If that's your judgement then you are saying that about a lot of good players in the NFL


Im tired of arguing about prior drafts.

If this is the case then DON'T KEEP TALKING ABOUT HOW HORRIBLE THE DRAFTS HAVE BEEN

[OPLookn]

He played in 3 games

Are you serious or can you just not read? The link you provided yourself! says that he played in 16 games and started in 1. Seriously?!?

[nigeriannightmare]

So because of that we should just overlook it and say oh well we know better and coach him. There's no hint if the guy sucks or not.

Not only that but as a player wouldn't you say hey I want to go pro. As a pro it's almost 100% certain I won't be around my family so because of that I'm going to go get the best coaching. He didn't. For that reason alone I would have passed on him. He would have been there in the 2nd round!

Wrong he has twin cousins that will be moving with him and his brother now that he can afford to support them they couldnt have followed him in college. Ive done a little homework the kid like burfict needs a father figure to mentor him. Crennel will get it done.

Those are the three people in his life that kept him out of trouble living in one if the worst neighborhoods in nemphis where trbl finds young black men.

So the fact that cards were stacked up against this kid and he got through it is about character.

[OPLookn]

Wrong he has twin cousins that will be moving with him and his brother now that he can afford to support them they couldnt have followed him in college. Ive done a little homework the kid like burfict needs a father figure to mentor him. Crennel will get it done.

Those are the three people in his life that kept him out of trouble living in one if the worst neighborhoods in nemphis where trbl finds young black men.

So the fact that cards were stacked up against this kid and he got through it is about character.

I really hope you're right because I truly dislike this pick. I'm just waiting for DeCastro to go and then I'm going to stop watching.

[jap1]

I really hope the Chargless dont get DeCastro!

[matthewschiefs]

He played in 3 games

Your own link show that you are incorrect on that



Yes hes been absolutely brilliant which is why he has started one game.


Rodney Hudson, OG for the Kansas City Chiefs at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/player/rodneyhudson/2495171/profile)

Games 16 games started 1

If he played in 3 games it would have said

Games 3 games started 1

[OPLookn]

I really hope the Chargless dont get DeCastro!

Chargers pick Melvin Ingram. Wow it looks like DeCastro is dropping!

[TopekaRoy]

Chargers take LB Ingram. I'm Ok with that.

[underdawg87]

Told ya they would take Ingram.

[TopekaRoy]

Chargers pick Melvin Ingram. Wow it looks like DeCastro is dropping!

C'mon, Bears. Their O-line is worse than the Chiefs!

[underdawg87]

How far does DeCastro have to fall before we start really considering trading up to get him?

[OPLookn]

Here you go Topeka, your Bears pick is in...good luck to you!

[jap1]

DeCastro is STILL there! Next possible landing spot has to be Cinci at 21. Trade Value: probably still our 2nd this year and 2nd next year. If he falls past Cinci, and we trade back into the 1st to get him I wouldnt have the words ...

[OPLookn]

How far does DeCastro have to fall before we start really considering trading up to get him?

I'd say about pick 19...I'm hoping not though!

[TopekaRoy]

Bears could take a WR, Linebacker or DL, too. They have been looking hard at Mercilus.

[jap1]

Bears could take a WR, Linebacker or DL, too.

Im hoping u guys go LB! So we have a chance for DeCastro, Konz or Glenn!

[jap1]

Decastro still there.

[OPLookn]

Bears take Shay McClellin DE Boise State

[underdawg87]

Titans take Chandler Jones and the slide continues?

[TopekaRoy]

Shea McClellan? Who?

okay ...

DeCastro is there. If the Chiefs can somehow get him and Poe I would be a very happy camper!

[underdawg87]

Then we work a little Pioli-Patriots magic and grab DeCastro. ;)

[OPLookn]

NE traded up to 21 for Chandler Jones, Schefter let it slip that the Titans didn't take him....oops.

[TopekaRoy]

Pats just traded up with Cincy for 3rd round pick.

[matthewschiefs]

Shea McClellan? Who?

okay ...

DeCastro is there. If the Chiefs can somehow get him and Poe I would be a very happy camper!

I get the feeling you would like the Chiefs to get Decastro :D

Maybe we can offer the browns a 2nd and a 4th they gave up a lot of picks to move up it would be a way to get some back

[jap1]

I get the feeling you would like the Chiefs to get Decastro :D

Maybe we can offer the browns a 2nd and a 4th they gave up a lot of picks to move up it would be a way to get some back

It would prob have to be 2nd and 3rd this year.

[underdawg87]

So the Pats are taking Chandler Jones?

[TopekaRoy]

It would prob have to be 2nd and 3rd this year.

That would be okay because we would still get 2 first rounders. We would only be losing 1 pick.

[OPLookn]

So the Pats are taking Chandler Jones?

That's what Schefter said on live tv. If I'm wrong then maybe I just heard incorrect. I'm all but sure we see Detroit take DeCastro.

[jap1]

That would be okay because we would still get 2 first rounders. We would only be losing 1 pick.

Agreed. If we want him, we are going to have to jump in front of Pittsburgh and Cinci probably. I wouldnt mind, though, if we end up with Cordy Glenn (G/T) or Peter Konz (C/G).

[jap1]

That's what Schefter said on live tv. If I'm wrong then maybe I just heard incorrect. I'm all but sure we see Detroit take DeCastro.

They need an OT more than a Guard, IMO.

[TopekaRoy]

Off topic: Bulls rest their 2 best players, Rose and Deng, and still beat Detroit by 32 points (107-75)! :lol:

I can't wait for the NBA Playoffs!

[OPLookn]

They need an OT more than a Guard, IMO.

Browns take Brandon Weeden...holy cow!

[jap1]

We dont get Weeden, he is going to Cleveland ... Im glad!

[TopekaRoy]

Browns just picked Brandon Weeden. Maybe DeCastro will fall all the way to us in the 2nd round!

[underdawg87]

Lions locked their pick in quick...makes me think it is indeed DeCastro.

[70 chiefsfan70]

Off topic: Bulls rest their 2 best players, Rose and Deng, and still beat Detroit by 32 points (107-75)! :lol:

I can't wait for the NBA Playoffs!


What and who is the NBA?

[matthewschiefs]

Off topic: Bulls rest their 2 best players, Rose and Deng, and still beat Detroit by 32 points (107-75)! :lol:

I can't wait for the NBA Playoffs!

DA Bulls :bananen_smilies046:

[OPLookn]

Lions locked their pick in quick...makes me think it is indeed DeCastro.

I think we see two interior lineman go go in the next two picks.

[jap1]

I doubt Decastro drops past Pittsburgh. They need interior OL help.

[OPLookn]

Lions take Reiff!

[jap1]

Lions go with Reiff ... DeCastro is still there!

[OPLookn]

Steelers take DeCastro...booo!

[matthewschiefs]

There goes Decastro

[jap1]

Steelers got him :(

[OPLookn]

NE traded up AGAIN!

[jap1]

But ... that means that there are still some really good interior OL available:

Cordy Glenn and Peter Konz

[OPLookn]

Hightower is still there too, just sayin.

Edit: ...or not. He just went to NE

[matthewschiefs]

Someone put Roy on suicide watch :lol:

[TopekaRoy]

Someone put Roy on suicide watch :lol:

:lol: I'm ok. Would have liked Hightower too, though!

We still have, what, seven more picks? let's see who we can pick up.

[OPLookn]

:lol: I'm ok. Would have liked Hightower too, though!

We still have, what, seven more picks? let's see who we can pick up.

I'm not sure we trade back up tonight. We might trade up tomorrow? Thoughts?

[underdawg87]

I could see that happening since it will cost us less and we dont have very many need areas.

[jap1]

The only people I see us moving up to pick would be an interior lineman like Glenn or Konz (i sound like a broken record), but I dont see them falling out of the first round right now.

[OPLookn]

Bengals take Zeitler....SOB!

[underdawg87]

I will say the NE defense got scarier tonight.

[TopekaRoy]

Bengals take Zeitler....SOB!

There goes another quality offensive lineman!

[OPLookn]

There goes another quality offensive lineman!

And I'm betting that GB take Konz with this pick.

Edit: ...or Nick Perry. Interesting, great player though.

[TopekaRoy]

Packers take OLB/DE Nick Perry. They needed help on the O line, but their defense sucked last year. This was probably a bigger need for them.

[jap1]

Vikings trade up! I wonder who for? Janoris Jenkins?

[underdawg87]

I cant think of anyone else...

[OPLookn]

Vikings trade up! I wonder who for? Janoris Jenkins?

I'm wondering if it isn't Worthy? DE's and DL's are on a premium right now. But I can see Jenkins too.

[TopekaRoy]

Vikings trade up! I wonder who for? Janoris Jenkins?

I don't know. They need everything! ... except Left offensive tackle! :lol:

[underdawg87]

I could see that, but I would still guess Jenkins.

Edit: And I would be wrong...

[OPLookn]

Vikings Harrison Smith??

[jap1]

Harrison Smith ... we were all wrong! Haha. I like Topeka's response!

[TopekaRoy]

Vikes take Free Safety Harrison Smith. Gotta like a guy with two last names!

[underdawg87]

I hope the 49ers take Worthy just to screw the Donkeys...

[jap1]

I hope the 49ers take Worthy just to screw the Donkeys...

If this were facebook, I would hit the LIKE button!

[OPLookn]

That would be....AWESOME! But I see them taking Jenkins.

[TopekaRoy]

Who do you think the Broncos pick? Are the happy with Caleb Hanie as their backup QB?

[underdawg87]

You thinkin Osweiler next?

[TopekaRoy]

Broncos just traded back to the Bucs!

[OPLookn]

Denver trades to TB. I hate that they're being smart!

[jap1]

Its possible, but more likely Devon Still for the Donkeys.

Edit: Too late, they traded down ... I bet you they are going to get Coby Fleener for Elway. Damn, our secondary better be ready.

[underdawg87]

Im ok with Denver having 0 1st round picks... lol

[TopekaRoy]

'9ers take a WR, Jenkins. Who is Peyton going to throw the ball to? Royal and Thomas? :lol:

[underdawg87]

Bucs traded up for another Jenkins?

[OPLookn]

Im ok with Denver having 0 1st round picks... lol

Yet I'm not ok with them having all but 5 of the 2nd round picks. They've got to have a lot of picks now.

[OPLookn]

Denver has two 2nd rounders and two 4ths. Don't like that.

[jap1]

Yet I'm not ok with them having all but 5 of the 2nd round picks. They've got to have a lot of picks now.

I think I read that they got a couple extra 4th rounders. I may be wrong, though.

[underdawg87]

4ths arent a big deal and the 2 2nds are a poor mans 1 1st 1 2nd lol

[underdawg87]

Doug Martin is off the board so he wont be going to SD or Den.

[jap1]

I hope NYG go for RB or LB. Leave the interior linemen for us in the 2nd round!

[underdawg87]

Take Lamichael James, another back that SD or Den might look at lol

[OPLookn]

David Wilson for the Giants?

[underdawg87]

Just as good, means we are not lookin too bad for tomorrow. Goodnight all.

[underdawg87]

Also, for the record, for both trades that Denver made today, they basically traded the 25 pick for the 36 and 101 pick. (1 1st for 1 2nd and 1 4th)?

[jap1]

Also, for the record, for both trades that Denver made today, they basically traded the 25 pick for the 36 and 101 pick. (1 1st for 1 2nd and 1 4th)?

It doesnt sound like they got much. And according to the value chart on this website (see toolbar on the top of the page) they lost out on like 80 points!

I like that!

[KristofLaw]

Here's the draft so far... I haven't noticed it posted here...


http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/ipt/draft_1_2_picks_uspw_042612.jpg

1 Indianapolis -- Andrew Luck -- QB
2 Washington -- Robert Griffin III -- QB
3 Cleveland -- Trent Richardson -- RB
4 Minnesota -- Matt Kalil -- T
5 Jacksonville -- Justin Blackmon -- WR
6 Dallas -- Morris Claiborne -- CB
7 Tampa Bay -- Mark Barron -- SS
8 Miami -- Ryan Tannehill -- QB
9 Carolina -- Luke Kuechly -- ILB
10 Buffalo -- Stephon Gilmore -- CB
11 Kansas City -- Dontari Poe -- DT
12 Philadelphia -- Fletcher Cox -- DE
13 Arizona -- Michael Floyd -- WR
14 St. Louis -- Michael Brockers -- DT
15 Seattle -- Bruce Irvin -- OLB
16 NY Jets -- Quinton Coples -- DE
17 Cincinnati -- Dre Kirkpatrick -- CB
18 San Diego -- Melvin Ingram -- OLB
19 Chicago -- Shea McClellin -- OLB
20 Tennessee -- Kendall Wright -- WR
21 New England -- Chandler Jones -- DE
22 Cleveland -- Brandon Weeden -- QB
23 Detroit -- Riley Reiff -- T
24 Pittsburgh -- David DeCastro -- G
25 New England -- Dont'a Hightower -- ILB
26 Houston -- Whitney Mercilus -- DE
27 Cincinnati -- Kevin Zeitler -- G
28 Green Bay -- Nick Perry -- OLB
29 Minnesota -- Harrison Smith -- SS
30 San Francisco -- A.J. Jenkins -- WR
31 Tampa Bay -- Doug Martin -- RB
32 NY Giants -- David Wilson -- RB

Source (http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl)

[AussieChiefsFan]

I wouldve joined in the discussion but I was at school. Hope everyone had a good Draft Day!!:bananen_smilies046: :chiefs:
And welcome to KC Dontari!

[TopekaRoy]

Panthers just took Silatolu. Wasn't he high on some peoples lists here?

[TopekaRoy]

Wow! The Broncos used their first draft pick on DT Derek Wolf. He graded out at a 47.5. Everyone else picked in the draft so far has been at least 80 or better!

[texaschief]

that Cordy Glenn pick hurt. The Panthers have the draft I wish we had. ugh

[TopekaRoy]

Chiefs took another DT, Jeff Allen, with their 2nd pick.

Hmm...

[texaschief]

Chiefs took another DT, Jeff Allen, with their 2nd pick.

Hmm...


OT... not DT

[jap1]

OT... not DT

Who will probably be used as an OG primarily and as a sub for RT.

[TopekaRoy]

OT... not DT

My bad. I had to take cover in the basement during the Chiefs pick. We were in the direct path of 2 funnel clouds, but neither one touched down. I saw T and assumed it would have said OT if it was offense, because guards are listed as OG.

I like the pick!

[texaschief]

My bad. I had to take cover in the basement during the Chiefs pick. We were in the direct path of 2 funnel clouds, but neither one touched down. I saw T and assumed it would have said OT if it was offense, because guards are listed as OG.

I like the pick!

Geez... glad everything is ok!

[jap1]

I almost guarantee that if Pioli knows what he is doing we will get one of the many OG/OT prospects in the 2nd or 3rd round. (see what I did there, if I am wrong, then it obviously means it is Pioli's fault).

My prognostication was correct!

[texaschief]

My prognostication was correct!

I had been saying that about the NT position for the past 3 years. :lol:

[TopekaRoy]

Yeah. Allen is no DeCastro, but he should be pretty good. If Poe can produce (and I think he can) then our first 2 picks are winners.

[jap1]

Id like to see an ILB or a Safety/CB hybrid in the 3rd round.

OL and DL are solid now IMO.

4th round go for a center prospect just in case Hudson gets hurt.
5th-7th rounds go for BPA since we need depth all over the place. Maybe get Burfict with one of our 7th round picks.

[TopekaRoy]

Id like to see an ILB or a Safety/CB hybrid in the 3rd round.

OL and DL are solid now IMO.

4th round go for a center prospect just in case Hudson gets hurt.
5th-7th rounds go for BPA since we need depth all over the place. Maybe get Burfict with one of our 7th round picks.

Ravens took Osemele, but you are right. We are pretty much set on O-line now. More depth, please.

I'm not sure about Burfict, but since we have 2 7th round picks so we aren't risking much. I'll bet someone takes him in round 5 or 6 though. Every year, there are a couple of teams that makes "those" kinds of picks!

[texaschief]

I think it's going to be best player available from this point forward... as it should be. If you're drafting to fill holes, it's gotta happen in the first two rounds. After that, it's gotta be best player available.

[underdawg87]

What is everyone's opinion on drafting Cousins if he is available come our next pick?

[jap1]

Im going to revise my prediction for the 3rd round. I dont see any ILBs really worth a 3rd round pick.

[kcchiefs29]

I'm hoping for a safety.

[underdawg87]

Jaguars just took a Punter in the 3rd round...that doesn't normally happen does it? lol

[jap1]

Jaguars just took a Punter in the 3rd round...that doesn't normally happen does it? lol

No it doesnt, unless you are the TRaiders. Haha. There is a reason why Jax has sucked for a long time.

[jap1]

Chargeless just traded with Miami to jump in front of us.

[KristofLaw]

Here's how round two went...


33. Rams -- Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
34. Colts -- Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
35. Ravens (from Vikings) -- Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama
36. Broncos (from Buccaneers) -- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati
37. Browns -- Mitchell Schwartz, T, California
38. Jaguars -- Andre Branch, DE, Clemson
39. Rams (from Redskins) -- Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
40. Panthers -- Amini Silatolu, G, Midwestern State
41. Bills -- Cordy Glenn, G/T, Georgia
42. Dolphins -- Jonathan Martin, T, Stanford
43. Jets (from Seahawks) -- Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
44. Chiefs -- Jeff Allen, OL, Illinois
45. Bears (from Cowboys via Rams) -- Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
46. Eagles -- Mychal Kendricks, LB, California
47. Seahawks (from Jets) -- Bobby Wagner, OLB, Utah State
48. Patriots (from Raiders) -- Tavon Wilson, S, Illinois
49. Chargers -- Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut
50. Rams (from Bears) -- Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati
51. Packers (from Cardinals via Eagles) -- Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State
52. Titans -- Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina
53. Bengals -- Devon Still, DT, Penn State
54. Lions -- Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
55. Falcons -- Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
56. Steelers -- Mike Adams, T, Ohio State
57. Broncos -- Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona State
58. Buccaneers (from Texans) -- Lavonte David, OLB, Nebraska
59. Eagles (from Packers) -- Vinny Curry DE, Marshall
60. Ravens -- Kelechi Osemele, OL, Iowa State
61. 49ers -- LaMichael James, RB, Oregon
62. Packers (from Patriots) -- Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
63. Giants -- Rueben Randle, WR, LSU

Source (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/04/second--third-round-analysis-of-the-2012-nfl-draft/1)

Chiefs third round pick is coming up in a couple minutes here...

[jap1]

Russel Wilson is picking up his phone ... it is our pick ... hmm.

[jap1]

Donald Stephenson, OT, Oklahoma is our 3rd round pick.

[TopekaRoy]

Tackle Donald Stephenson!

Thoughts?

[matthewschiefs]

Really working on the O line I love it

[brdempsey69]

Guess what !! The Chiefs took another O-Lineman -- Donald Stephenson, T, Oklahoma.

I love it. Nearly 1/2 a ton of BEEF with the top 3 picks. LOL !!

Many of us wanted them to address the O-Line and they answered the call in rounds 2 and 3. :-)

[texaschief]

Wow!

[jap1]

Wow!

There are some people who think that with a year of tutoring, Jeff Allen could be a starting LT. I wonder if they are ready to not resign Albert after this year. Put Allen at LT and Stephenson at LG? I doubt that is there plan, since Stephenson's knock is that he is too light. He would get bull rushed by bigger DLs.

I just think Stephenson is going to be the backup swing tackle. Allen/Lilja will be the backup OG, and I think Lilja has experience at C, so he could be the backup C.

[TopekaRoy]

There are some people who think that with a year of tutoring, Jeff Allen could be a starting LT. I wonder if they are ready to not resign Albert after this year. Put Allen at LT and Stephenson at LG? I doubt that is there plan, since Stephenson's knock is that he is too light. He would get bull rushed by bigger DLs.

I just think Stephenson is going to be the backup swing tackle. Allen/Lilja will be the backup OG, and I think Lilja has experience at C, so he could be the backup C.

Depth in case someone gets hurt, flexibility to put the 5 best linemen on the field and options if we lose Albert and or Lilja. I like it.

[jap1]

Stephenson was a surprise, which also tells me they probably arent too keen on Mims as an OT. Right now I see us keeping 8 OL on the team:

Albert/Allen/Hudson/Asamoah/Winston

Reserves:
Stephenson (OT)
Lilja (G/C)
Mims (G)

That is unless we get a reserve C later in the draft.

[jap1]

One guy I have my eye on for the 4th round would be Markelle Martin (FS) if he is still there. Some people had him as high as the beginning of the 2nd round.

[brdempsey69]

There are some people who think that with a year of tutoring, Jeff Allen could be a starting LT. I wonder if they are ready to not resign Albert after this year. Put Allen at LT and Stephenson at LG? I doubt that is there plan, since Stephenson's knock is that he is too light. He would get bull rushed by bigger DLs.

I just think Stephenson is going to be the backup swing tackle. Allen/Lilja will be the backup OG, and I think Lilja has experience at C, so he could be the backup C.

Well, Jeff Allen was announced as a Guard by former Chiefs Guard Will Shields, so it's likely Stephenson is going to be groomed at Tackle. Stephenson is listed 312 lbs, but the knock is that he needs to get stronger ( and I'll bet the Chiefs will see to it that he does ).

And the Chiefs already have a guy that repeatedly gets bull-rushed by bigger DL's -- Ryan Lilja. Both Allen and Stephenson are bigger and stronger than Lilja.

Nice work by the Chiefs in this draft making a nice run on some BEEF !!!

[jap1]

I think Crennel is the one behind all the picks for the 3 big 300 pound guys. I think he is just looking for some KC BBQ eating buddies! LOL!:bananen_smilies046:

[texaschief]

I think you'll see skill positions from this point forward.

[TopekaRoy]

I think you'll see skill positions from this point forward.

Best player available, unless it is at a position we are stacked at. I don't think we take another running back.

[figcrostic]

Guess what !! The Chiefs took another O-Lineman -- Donald Stephenson, T, Oklahoma.

I love it. Nearly 1/2 a ton of BEEF with the top 3 picks. LOL !!

Many of us wanted them to address the O-Line and they answered the call in rounds 2 and 3. :-)

Yup I'd hate to stand behind these guys at the buffet line

[jap1]

Best player available, unless it is at a position we are stacked at. I don't think we take another running back.

I could see us taking one in the 7th round. Someone in case Charles gets hurt.

[TopekaRoy]

I could see us taking one in the 7th round. Someone in case Charles gets hurt.

Isn't that why we got Peyton Hillis? we still have McCluster, too.

[figcrostic]

I honestly don't care who we get I'm pretty happy right now hell grab Case Keenum

[chiefnut]

Well, Jeff Allen was announced as a Guard by former Chiefs Guard Will Shields, so it's likely Stephenson is going to be groomed at Tackle. Stephenson is listed 312 lbs, but the knock is that he needs to get stronger ( and I'll bet the Chiefs will see to it that he does ).

And the Chiefs already have a guy that repeatedly gets bull-rushed by bigger DL's -- Ryan Lilja. Both Allen and Stephenson are bigger and stronger than Lilja.

Nice work by the Chiefs in this draft making a nice run on some BEEF !!!

Allen is projected at guard, coulod beatr out lilja for this year. Stephenson needs only to bulk up and get stronger against bull rushers to be a solid left tackle. he has the frame for it...he has bigger hands,longer arms and sub 5.0 40 speed. great footwork and very athletic. my guess is he becomes backup tackle and insurance if we lose albert.

[jap1]

Isn't that why we got Peyton Hillis? we still have McCluster, too.

I see Peyton Hillis more of a complement that a replacement for Charles. McCluster probably would do a good job filling in Charles role. Im not saying they definitely will get a RB, or that I definitely would. But if there is a pretty good RB that isnt supposed to be there in the 7th round, I would consider it and not be surprised if they go that route.

[TopekaRoy]

I see Peyton Hillis more of a complement that a replacement for Charles. McCluster probably would do a good job filling in Charles role. Im not saying they definitely will get a RB, or that I definitely would. But if there is a pretty good RB that isnt supposed to be there in the 7th round, I would consider it and not be surprised if they go that route.

Fair enough. If there is a RB there in the 7th who shouldn't be, let's take him. Pioli is sticking to his word about increasing depth and competition at all positions. So far, so good!

[chiefnut]

I see Peyton Hillis more of a complement that a replacement for Charles. McCluster probably would do a good job filling in Charles role. Im not saying they definitely will get a RB, or that I definitely would. But if there is a pretty good RB that isnt supposed to be there in the 7th round, I would consider it and not be surprised if they go that route.


always a good idea to draft a RB just for depth, Hillis and Charles will be a one-two punch complimenting each other and is possible each go over 1000yds

[texaschief]

OT-Bobby Massie
NT-Alameda Ta'amu
OLB-Ronnell Lewis
OT-Zebrie Sanders
DE-Cam Johnson
OG- Adam Gettis
NT-Josh Chapman
WR-Marvin McNutt
DE-Jared Crick
C-Philip Blake
DE-Trevor Guyton

[bricooper78]

As I have said in prior messages....

MCNUTT!! If we draft a WR, it has to be McNutt! that boy made Stanzi look better than he was, and flat out bailed out my boy Vandenberg a few times!
I'm sure there are plenty of youtube vids of him out there

[jap1]

Jaguars just took a Punter in the 3rd round...that doesn't normally happen does it? lol


No it doesnt, unless you are the TRaiders. Haha. There is a reason why Jax has sucked for a long time.

So, I just read that the last time anyone took a punter in the 3rd round was ....


:chiefs:

Yes, the Chiefs with Dustin Colquitt.

Haha. Can someone call an ambulance, my foot may need to be surgically removed from my mouth.

[Chiefs fanatic]

With our next pick, I'd like to see us take Cousins if he is still available.

[Eydugstr]

All in all liking this draft so far.

[underdawg87]

McNutt and Cousins both looked pretty dang good in their highlight videos I watched. I like McNutt's YAC ability and I like Cousins passion for the game.

[gcsofa]

Some players that I think we should be looking at in these last 4 rounds:

WR Marvin McNutt, Iowa
S George Iioka, Boise State
RB Cyrus Gray, Texas A&M
FS/CB Trent Robinson, Michigan State
QB Kirk Cousins, Michigan State
LB James-Michael Johnson, Nevada
LB Ronnel Lewis, Oklahoma
LB Travis Lewis, Oklahoma
RB Lamar Miller, Miami
WR Chris Givens, Wake Forest
TE Ladarius Green, Louisiana-Lafayette
CB Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska
QB Ryan Lindley, San Diego State

[AussieChiefsFan]

and round 4 is underway

[AussieChiefsFan]

WOW the skins got Kirk Cousins!!

[AussieChiefsFan]

Opinions on Devon Wylie?

[brdempsey69]

Opinions on Devon Wylie?

He has 4.39 speed & is one of the best kick returners in this draft & can play slot receiver. Very reminiscent of Dante Hall. Good pick at this point in the draft.

[AussieChiefsFan]

He has 4.39 speed & is one of the best kick returners in this draft & can play slot receiver. Very reminiscent of Dante Hall. Good pick at this point in the draft.

Great to hear!!:bananen_smilies046: :chiefs:

[slc chief]

He has 4.39 speed & is one of the best kick returners in this draft & can play slot receiver. Very reminiscent of Dante Hall. Good pick at this point in the draft.

yep and as a forth rounder he will have an immediate impact on the team.solid pick

[chiefnut]

yep and as a forth rounder he will have an immediate impact on the team.solid pick


luv what i saw on kick both returns and coverage, w/sub 4.0 40speed but may have been taken a little early...only graded 70 still alot of 80 to 84 available.

[LlamaNinja]

So does anyone think we will not grab a QB at all. We have Quinn, Cassel, and Stanzi kinda seem full on the position...

[chiefnut]

i would not be surprised to see us pass on a QB and go with casStanQuin then re-evaluate next year. time to shore up the D w/ some DBs and LB's

[slc chief]

i would not be surprised to see us pass on a QB and go with casStanQuin then re-evaluate next year. time to shore up the D w/ some DBs and LB's
i agree not much to be had at this point at the qb position. time to get some lb's and db's hopefully pioli can work his late round magic and get us some solid players

[brdempsey69]

I like what the Chiefs brass has done in this draft.

As for the other teams in the AFC West, I predict that their picks are all going to SUCK and will be out of the league in 2 years and will be delivering Pizza to your doorstep.

Probably won't happen that way, but I couldn't resist. :D

[slc chief]

i wonder if they are going to go with best available with the next pick

[slc chief]

I like what the Chiefs brass has done in this draft.

As for the other teams in the AFC West, I predict that their picks are all going to SUCK and will be out of the league in 2 years and will be delivering Pizza to your doorstep.

Probably won't happen that way, but I couldn't resist. :D
i think it is funny that both players denver wanted . brockers lsu and the auburn wr were gone before they even had a chance .no first rounder for them lol

[KristofLaw]

Rd 5 - Pk 11 (146) --- De'Quan Menzie ---CB - 5'10" - 195

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2532911.jpg
De'Quan Menzie Draft Profile – NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/dequan-menzie?id=2532911)

[texaschief]

I think you'll see skill positions from this point forward.

This guy is good... :mooning:

[texaschief]

OT-Bobby Massie-Arizona (112)
NT-Alameda Ta'amu-Pittsburgh (109)
OLB-Ronnell Lewis-Detroit (125)
OT-Zebrie Sanders (144)
DE-Cam Johnson (Available)
OG- Adam Gettis- Washington (141)
NT-Josh Chapman-Indianapolis (136)
WR-Marvin McNutt- (available)
DE-Jared Crick-Houson (126)
C-Philip Blake- Denver (108)
DE-Trevor Guyton- (Available)



Wylie (107)
Menzie (132)

Kinda frustrating to see all those guys available for the Chiefs at 108 and just a couple less at 132.

[texaschief]

This would make me a happy camper:

6-McNutt
7-Cam Johnson
7-Vontaze Burfict

[jap1]

This would make me a happy camper:

6-McNutt
7-Cam Johnson
7-Vontaze Burfict

I wouldnt object to that. At this point you are looking for whoever you have as the BPA. Burfict would be a good option to. He has the tape to show he can produce, but you have to question his motivation (which I think Crennel could develop).

[jap1]

Cyrus Gray, RB in the 6th round.

[texaschief]

Cyrus Gray!!! Hell Yeah!!! Steal Of The Draft My Friends... Steal Of The Draft!!

[jap1]

Cyrus Gray!!! Hell Yeah!!! Steal Of The Draft My Friends... Steal Of The Draft!!

I like it a lot too. If Charles doesnt live up to his preinjury abilities, then we have the heir apparent.

[brdempsey69]

Cyrus Gray, RB in the 6th round.

I like it. He has 4.47 speed and can catch the ball out the backfield. Here's some BIO:

Gray started 29 games, played in 49, collected 3,298 yards and 30 touchdowns rushing; 776 yards (103 catches) and six scores receiving; and 2,349 yards and two more touchdowns on kickoff returns. That totaled 6,423 all purpose yards at that rate of 131.08 per game.

He was projected as a 3rd or 4th rounder. There's been a lot of debate regarding the selection of Poe at #11, but since then, they have just ripped it a new one with getting not only need players, but good football players & things are looking good, not only now, but long-term.

Beautiful job by the Chiefs brass. I was apprehensive coming into the draft & after the selection of Poe at #11, but they've completely annihilated that apprehension in a resounding way since round 1.

[texaschief]

Since Pioli has been here, there have been at least 2 picks per draft that have made me yell at the t.v. This year, while there's only been a couple that I'm ecstatic about, there haven't been any that have made me angry... so, they're definitely improving. :lol:

[jap1]

I think this draft/offseason would be a complete success if we get some more depth at ILB. Even if Poe is a complete bust (which I doubt), I think we did a great job of filling holes (including depth) and getting some talented players all over the team. If everyone stays healthy, we have a very young, talented team that will be in place for awhile.

[texaschief]

What's also impressive is that they've been able to keep their cap flexibility. While I'm sure a couple spots will become apparent, it's exciting to see every hole sufficiently filled at this point.

It's a nice thing when you look at the team and see your only question marks being at FS, ILB, and QB... each of which are positions currently filled by players who can at the very least perform at league average... NICE!

[jap1]

There are some decent names at LB still out there:

Cam Johnson (OLB)
Audie Cole (ILB)
Emmanuel Acho (OLB)
Vontaze Burfict (ILB)

I think most of them were rated as 3-5th rounders at some point. They could at the least be quality special teamers/backups (which is what you should be looking for at this point) with the potential to develop into a steal.

[brdempsey69]

LOL, just looked at the Donkeys draft list & the players they took.

Anybody who disses the Chiefs draft, just simply needs to look at Denver's draft if you are in need of a good laugh.

It's not even close -- the Chiefs clearly had the best draft of any team in the division ( although SD didn't do too badly).

[gcsofa]

A few players that I feel we should seriously look at in the 7th rd, that are still available:

Billy Winn, DE/DT, Boise State
Audie Cole, ILB, North Carolina State
Jeff Fuller, WR, Texas A&M

Dang, Winn just got selected!

[figcrostic]

I'd pick Case Keenum up in the 7th I like the and think he could do well in our offense.

[jap1]

Acho and Audie Cole are both gone now.